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D Finnigan
May 28, 2015, 2:09:27 PM5/28/15
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Ymir wrote:
> In article <slrnmkd33r....@amelia.local>,
> Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>> In message <agisaak.spamblock-03A6E5.13373903052015@shawnews>
>> Ymir <agisaak....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I know it's a longshot, but any help would be appreciated...
>>
>> > I have some ancient files which I need to retrieve. Unfortunately, they
>> >
>> > are stored on equally ancient disk images. By 'ancient' I mean
>> > pre-System 5. The images are 400K, so I assume they are MFS rather than
>> >
>> > HFS disks.
>>
>> > Obviously, they will not mount in OS X. However, I cannot get them to
>> > mount using DiskCopy or ShrinkWrap under SheepShaver either.
>>
>> Do you have a 400K floppy drive (or an 800K floppy drive)?
>
> No, I have neither a floppy drive nor actual disks. Just disk images.
>
>> > hdiutil does seem to think they are valid images, but containing no
>> > mountable file systems.
>>
>> > Sadly, I cannot for the life of me recall which software was used to
>> > create them. Some have a .img suffix whereas others are .image. The
>> > creator and file types are both blank so no help there, but I suspect
>> > it
>> > must have been something other than DiskCopy since I *think* it used
>> > .dsk/.smi.
>>
>> Compactor and Crap-- er, Stuffit I believe both created image files with
>> .image extensions.
>>
>> > Any suggestions for software which could be run in OS 9 under
>>
>> Mac OS 9? No, I doubt that will work. You will need to go back at least
>> to 7.x, and maybe to System 6. I know for a fact that Mac OS 8 cannot
>> handle the 400K MFS format. Hmm.. That might not apply to iamge files,
>> now that I think about it. For reading physical disks though, you would
>> have to be running pre-Mac OS 8 software.
>
> That's what I was afraid of. I'm fairly sure SheepShaver is limited to
> OS 9. I tried to track down an older copy of DiskCopy to see if it would
> run in System 9 and came across the following site which has an archive
> of older mac systems (probably not entirely legal)
>
> <https://winworldpc.com/product/mac-os-0-6>
>
> Unfortunately, most of the software here is on images of 400K floppies
> which are no more mountable than the images I need to mount. However,
> they seem to use the same image format (based both on file extension and
> a cursory examination with a hex editor) so at least that suggests that
> I didn't use something terribly nonstandard to create them.
>
> I suspect I may be S.O.L. but at least the images aren't compressed or
> encrypted so I can at least retrieve those files which were text-based
> if I can't find a solution.
>
> Andre
>
Try using mini vMac. Boot System 6 or 7 in that emulator. With OS X Disk
Utility you can make an HFS image to mount in mini vMac, then you can mount
the MFS image in mini vMac too. Then just use the emulator to copy the files
to the HFS image.
I'm moving this followup to comp.sys.mac.vintage too.
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> In article <slrnmkd33r....@amelia.local>,
> Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>> In message <agisaak.spamblock-03A6E5.13373903052015@shawnews>
>> Ymir <agisaak....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I know it's a longshot, but any help would be appreciated...
>>
>> > I have some ancient files which I need to retrieve. Unfortunately, they
>> >
>> > are stored on equally ancient disk images. By 'ancient' I mean
>> > pre-System 5. The images are 400K, so I assume they are MFS rather than
>> >
>> > HFS disks.
>>
>> > Obviously, they will not mount in OS X. However, I cannot get them to
>> > mount using DiskCopy or ShrinkWrap under SheepShaver either.
>>
>> Do you have a 400K floppy drive (or an 800K floppy drive)?
>
> No, I have neither a floppy drive nor actual disks. Just disk images.
>
>> > hdiutil does seem to think they are valid images, but containing no
>> > mountable file systems.
>>
>> > Sadly, I cannot for the life of me recall which software was used to
>> > create them. Some have a .img suffix whereas others are .image. The
>> > creator and file types are both blank so no help there, but I suspect
>> > it
>> > must have been something other than DiskCopy since I *think* it used
>> > .dsk/.smi.
>>
>> Compactor and Crap-- er, Stuffit I believe both created image files with
>> .image extensions.
>>
>> > Any suggestions for software which could be run in OS 9 under
>>
>> Mac OS 9? No, I doubt that will work. You will need to go back at least
>> to 7.x, and maybe to System 6. I know for a fact that Mac OS 8 cannot
>> handle the 400K MFS format. Hmm.. That might not apply to iamge files,
>> now that I think about it. For reading physical disks though, you would
>> have to be running pre-Mac OS 8 software.
>
> That's what I was afraid of. I'm fairly sure SheepShaver is limited to
> OS 9. I tried to track down an older copy of DiskCopy to see if it would
> run in System 9 and came across the following site which has an archive
> of older mac systems (probably not entirely legal)
>
> <https://winworldpc.com/product/mac-os-0-6>
>
> Unfortunately, most of the software here is on images of 400K floppies
> which are no more mountable than the images I need to mount. However,
> they seem to use the same image format (based both on file extension and
> a cursory examination with a hex editor) so at least that suggests that
> I didn't use something terribly nonstandard to create them.
>
> I suspect I may be S.O.L. but at least the images aren't compressed or
> encrypted so I can at least retrieve those files which were text-based
> if I can't find a solution.
>
> Andre
>
Try using mini vMac. Boot System 6 or 7 in that emulator. With OS X Disk
Utility you can make an HFS image to mount in mini vMac, then you can mount
the MFS image in mini vMac too. Then just use the emulator to copy the files
to the HFS image.
I'm moving this followup to comp.sys.mac.vintage too.
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ErikRS
Jun 1, 2015, 8:25:02 PM6/1/15
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D Finnigan wrote:
> Ymir wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> Any suggestions for software which could be run in OS 9 under
>>>
>>> Mac OS 9? No, I doubt that will work. You will need to go back at least
>>> to 7.x, and maybe to System 6. I know for a fact that Mac OS 8 cannot
>>> handle the 400K MFS format. Hmm.. That might not apply to iamge files,
>>> now that I think about it. For reading physical disks though, you would
>>> have to be running pre-Mac OS 8 software.
>>
>> That's what I was afraid of. I'm fairly sure SheepShaver is limited to
>> OS 9. I tried to track down an older copy of DiskCopy to see if it would
>> run in System 9 and came across the following site which has an archive
>> of older mac systems (probably not entirely legal)
>>
>> <https://winworldpc.com/product/mac-os-0-6>
>>
>> Unfortunately, most of the software here is on images of 400K floppies
>> which are no more mountable than the images I need to mount. However,
>> they seem to use the same image format (based both on file extension and
>> a cursory examination with a hex editor) so at least that suggests that
>> I didn't use something terribly nonstandard to create them.
>>
>> I suspect I may be S.O.L. but at least the images aren't compressed or
>> encrypted so I can at least retrieve those files which were text-based
>> if I can't find a solution.
>
>>>
>>> Mac OS 9? No, I doubt that will work. You will need to go back at least
>>> to 7.x, and maybe to System 6. I know for a fact that Mac OS 8 cannot
>>> handle the 400K MFS format. Hmm.. That might not apply to iamge files,
>>> now that I think about it. For reading physical disks though, you would
>>> have to be running pre-Mac OS 8 software.
>>
>> That's what I was afraid of. I'm fairly sure SheepShaver is limited to
>> OS 9. I tried to track down an older copy of DiskCopy to see if it would
>> run in System 9 and came across the following site which has an archive
>> of older mac systems (probably not entirely legal)
>>
>> <https://winworldpc.com/product/mac-os-0-6>
>>
>> Unfortunately, most of the software here is on images of 400K floppies
>> which are no more mountable than the images I need to mount. However,
>> they seem to use the same image format (based both on file extension and
>> a cursory examination with a hex editor) so at least that suggests that
>> I didn't use something terribly nonstandard to create them.
>>
>> I suspect I may be S.O.L. but at least the images aren't compressed or
>> encrypted so I can at least retrieve those files which were text-based
>> if I can't find a solution.
>
> Try using mini vMac. Boot System 6 or 7 in that emulator. With OS X Disk
> Utility you can make an HFS image to mount in mini vMac, then you can mount
> the MFS image in mini vMac too. Then just use the emulator to copy the files
> to the HFS image.
>
> I'm moving this followup to comp.sys.mac.vintage too.
If I recall right, latest version of CompactPro will work on at least OS
> Utility you can make an HFS image to mount in mini vMac, then you can mount
> the MFS image in mini vMac too. Then just use the emulator to copy the files
> to the HFS image.
>
> I'm moving this followup to comp.sys.mac.vintage too.
9.1. It should be able to mount these older image files into folders.
Also the Aladdin StuffIt Deluxe 6.x and 7.x OS X versions works on at
least OS X 10.4.x PPC. ASD will also open .ct and .cpt images into
folders...
Cheers, Erik Richard
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Your Name
Jun 1, 2015, 9:18:37 PM6/1/15
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In article <mkit4u$h5r$1...@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-...@is.invalid>
wrote:
Compact Pro and StuffIt are file archivers (like Zip). Neither can
mount disk images.
wrote:
mount disk images.
David Schmidt
Jun 1, 2015, 10:46:17 PM6/1/15
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to 400k MFS.
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/diskdup
Your Name
Jun 2, 2015, 12:34:39 AM6/2/15
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In article <mkj5bf$6vo$1...@dont-email.me>, David Schmidt
Unfortunately there are a variety of disk image formats. I don't think
any one application handles them all: Disk Copy (a couple of versions),
Toast, Shrinkwrap, etc.
any one application handles them all: Disk Copy (a couple of versions),
Toast, Shrinkwrap, etc.
Ymir
Jun 4, 2015, 3:15:10 AM6/4/15
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> Try using mini vMac. Boot System 6 or 7 in that emulator. With OS X Disk
> Utility you can make an HFS image to mount in mini vMac, then you can mount
> the MFS image in mini vMac too. Then just use the emulator to copy the files
> to the HFS image.
Sorry for the delay in responding -- I'd stopped following this thread
> Utility you can make an HFS image to mount in mini vMac, then you can mount
> the MFS image in mini vMac too. Then just use the emulator to copy the files
> to the HFS image.
after I'd retrieved as much as I deemed possible. I'd already discovered
this program earlier and ended up using mini vMac (color classic) to
retrieve some of the data, but I appreciate the pointer nonetheless.
Andre
ErikRS
Jun 4, 2015, 6:33:45 PM6/4/15
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Your Name wrote:
> ErikRS <mac-...@is.invalid> wrote:
>> If I recall right, latest version of CompactPro will work on at least OS
>> 9.1. It should be able to mount these older image files into folders.
>>
>> Also the Aladdin StuffIt Deluxe 6.x and 7.x OS X versions works on at
>> least OS X 10.4.x PPC. ASD will also open .ct and .cpt images into
>> folders...
>
> Compact Pro and StuffIt are file archivers (like Zip). Neither can
> mount disk images.
Indeed so, but I can asure you that from and incl. the OS X versions of
>> If I recall right, latest version of CompactPro will work on at least OS
>> 9.1. It should be able to mount these older image files into folders.
>>
>> Also the Aladdin StuffIt Deluxe 6.x and 7.x OS X versions works on at
>> least OS X 10.4.x PPC. ASD will also open .ct and .cpt images into
>> folders...
>
> Compact Pro and StuffIt are file archivers (like Zip). Neither can
> mount disk images.
StuffIt Deluxe 5.5, 6.x and 7.x, they also can mount both .img and .dmg
files. From v. 7.0.3 and up the StuffIt Deluxe also can mount both
Windows and Linux images.
Do note that StuffIt isnot the same as StuffIt Deluxe. StuffIt is -
correct - an archieving application, where the Deluxe version is both an
archieving and expanding application. I regularely use StuffIt Deluxe
2014 for both archieving and expanding...
I had a lot of .cp and .cpt image files containing both documents and
some ancient font types that wouldn't open with StuffIt Expander, so I
tried the Deluxe 2014 and they opened very fine into new folders...
Jolly Roger
Jun 4, 2015, 7:00:49 PM6/4/15
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On 2015-06-04, ErikRS <mac-...@is.invalid> wrote:
>
> Your Name wrote:
>> ErikRS <mac-...@is.invalid> wrote:
>>> If I recall right, latest version of CompactPro will work on at least OS
>>> 9.1. It should be able to mount these older image files into folders.
>>>
>>> Also the Aladdin StuffIt Deluxe 6.x and 7.x OS X versions works on at
>>> least OS X 10.4.x PPC. ASD will also open .ct and .cpt images into
>>> folders...
>>
>> Compact Pro and StuffIt are file archivers (like Zip). Neither can
>> mount disk images.
>
> Indeed so, but I can asure you that from and incl. the OS X versions of
> StuffIt Deluxe 5.5, 6.x and 7.x, they also can mount both .img and .dmg
> files. From v. 7.0.3 and up the StuffIt Deluxe also can mount both
> Windows and Linux images.
Yep. I used to use it to mount images.
>
> Your Name wrote:
>> ErikRS <mac-...@is.invalid> wrote:
>>> If I recall right, latest version of CompactPro will work on at least OS
>>> 9.1. It should be able to mount these older image files into folders.
>>>
>>> Also the Aladdin StuffIt Deluxe 6.x and 7.x OS X versions works on at
>>> least OS X 10.4.x PPC. ASD will also open .ct and .cpt images into
>>> folders...
>>
>> Compact Pro and StuffIt are file archivers (like Zip). Neither can
>> mount disk images.
>
> Indeed so, but I can asure you that from and incl. the OS X versions of
> StuffIt Deluxe 5.5, 6.x and 7.x, they also can mount both .img and .dmg
> files. From v. 7.0.3 and up the StuffIt Deluxe also can mount both
> Windows and Linux images.
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Your Name
Jun 4, 2015, 10:08:00 PM6/4/15
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In article <mkqjo8$7ef$1...@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-...@is.invalid>
wrote:
the same archiving / compression system: StuffIt Deluxe, Stuffit
Expander, DropStuff.
I haven't used version 7, but no earlier StuffIt product can mount disk
images by itself and can't even open disk images - I've just
double-checked. They may be able to post-process disk images after
being unarchived to be mounted by automatically using Disk Copy, but
then you may as well say that Safari can mount disk images since it
uses Disk Copy as well.
wrote:
> Your Name wrote:
> > ErikRS <mac-...@is.invalid> wrote:
> >> If I recall right, latest version of CompactPro will work on at least OS
> >> 9.1. It should be able to mount these older image files into folders.
> >>
> >> Also the Aladdin StuffIt Deluxe 6.x and 7.x OS X versions works on at
> >> least OS X 10.4.x PPC. ASD will also open .ct and .cpt images into
> >> folders...
> >
> > Compact Pro and StuffIt are file archivers (like Zip). Neither can
> > mount disk images.
>
> Indeed so, but I can asure you that from and incl. the OS X versions of
> StuffIt Deluxe 5.5, 6.x and 7.x, they also can mount both .img and .dmg
> files. From v. 7.0.3 and up the StuffIt Deluxe also can mount both
> Windows and Linux images.
>
> Do note that StuffIt isnot the same as StuffIt Deluxe. StuffIt is -
> correct - an archieving application, where the Deluxe version is both an
> archieving and expanding application. I regularely use StuffIt Deluxe
> 2014 for both archieving and expanding...
>
> I had a lot of .cp and .cpt image files containing both documents and
> some ancient font types that wouldn't open with StuffIt Expander, so I
> tried the Deluxe 2014 and they opened very fine into new folders...
"StuffIt" is simply shorthand for a range of Aladdin products that use
> > ErikRS <mac-...@is.invalid> wrote:
> >> If I recall right, latest version of CompactPro will work on at least OS
> >> 9.1. It should be able to mount these older image files into folders.
> >>
> >> Also the Aladdin StuffIt Deluxe 6.x and 7.x OS X versions works on at
> >> least OS X 10.4.x PPC. ASD will also open .ct and .cpt images into
> >> folders...
> >
> > Compact Pro and StuffIt are file archivers (like Zip). Neither can
> > mount disk images.
>
> Indeed so, but I can asure you that from and incl. the OS X versions of
> StuffIt Deluxe 5.5, 6.x and 7.x, they also can mount both .img and .dmg
> files. From v. 7.0.3 and up the StuffIt Deluxe also can mount both
> Windows and Linux images.
>
> Do note that StuffIt isnot the same as StuffIt Deluxe. StuffIt is -
> correct - an archieving application, where the Deluxe version is both an
> archieving and expanding application. I regularely use StuffIt Deluxe
> 2014 for both archieving and expanding...
>
> I had a lot of .cp and .cpt image files containing both documents and
> some ancient font types that wouldn't open with StuffIt Expander, so I
> tried the Deluxe 2014 and they opened very fine into new folders...
the same archiving / compression system: StuffIt Deluxe, Stuffit
Expander, DropStuff.
I haven't used version 7, but no earlier StuffIt product can mount disk
images by itself and can't even open disk images - I've just
double-checked. They may be able to post-process disk images after
being unarchived to be mounted by automatically using Disk Copy, but
then you may as well say that Safari can mount disk images since it
uses Disk Copy as well.
ErikRS
Jun 5, 2015, 3:01:47 PM6/5/15
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ecxept the very first version called 'Aladdin StuffIt v.1.0' (1989 for
System 6.0.1). It came out alongside with the very first version of
Aladdin Extractor v.1.0'.
Both came with a few updates within the main ver. 1.0 and ver. 2.0.
After this names changed to 'Aladdin Dropstuff'. and the 'aladdin
Extractor' changed name to 'Aladdin Expander v.1.0'. Both DropStuff and
Expander are in reality ver. 3.x of the original applications.
With the release of DropStuff 3.0 and Expander 3.0 (1992/93) Aladdin
also released a pro version called 'Aladdin StuffIt Deluxe' which
contains /both/ the /archieving/ as well as the /expansion/ tools.
With the Macintosh ver. of DropStuff 3.0 and StuffIt Expander 3.0 they
also released a ver. 1.0 of both for Windows 3.x. From that time they
have released both Mac and Win versions of all three applications - with
the Win-versions 1-2 version back of the Mac versions. This though was
aligned with the release of Drop Stuff 4,5, StuffIt Expander 4,5 and
StuffIt Deluxe 4,5.
If I don't recall all too wrong I think I have all the versions of all
of the Aladdin compressing/archieving and expansion apps right since the
very first one in my software libraries - including 68k, 68k/PPC, PPC
and the 'double-releases of PPC+OSX....
And as written I still now and then use these oldies when/if someone
comes around and would like to have their old archives and images
converted into folders so they can extract/open even the old documents.
Do also note that Joly Roger states my experiences with these old
applications.....
Your Name
Jun 5, 2015, 6:32:43 PM6/5/15
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In article <mksrmr$a8p$1...@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-...@is.invalid>
Here we go again with the argumentative dimbulbs. :-\
As I said above: "StuffIt" is simply shorthand for a range of Aladdin
which is what the original poster was wanting to do. They are archiving
applications only.
> Do also note that Joly Roger states my experiences with these old
> applications.....
Jolly Roger is a moron who doesn't know anything, which is why he's in
my killfile. If you want to join him there, then be my guest. :-\
As I said above: "StuffIt" is simply shorthand for a range of Aladdin
products that use the same archiving / compression system: StuffIt
Deluxe, Stuffit Expander, DropStuff.
Deluxe, Stuffit Expander, DropStuff.
> If I don't recall all too wrong I think I have all the versions of all
> of the Aladdin compressing/archieving and expansion apps right since the
> very first one in my software libraries - including 68k, 68k/PPC, PPC
> and the 'double-releases of PPC+OSX....
>
> And as written I still now and then use these oldies when/if someone
> comes around and would like to have their old archives and images
> converted into folders so they can extract/open even the old documents.
As as I've written, NO Stuffit application can mount *disk images* -
> of the Aladdin compressing/archieving and expansion apps right since the
> very first one in my software libraries - including 68k, 68k/PPC, PPC
> and the 'double-releases of PPC+OSX....
>
> And as written I still now and then use these oldies when/if someone
> comes around and would like to have their old archives and images
> converted into folders so they can extract/open even the old documents.
which is what the original poster was wanting to do. They are archiving
applications only.
> Do also note that Joly Roger states my experiences with these old
> applications.....
my killfile. If you want to join him there, then be my guest. :-\
Jolly Roger
Jun 5, 2015, 10:46:51 PM6/5/15
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On 2015-06-05, Your Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>> Do also note that Joly Roger states my experiences with these old
>> applications.....
>
> Jolly Roger is a moron who doesn't know anything, which is why he's in
> my killfile. If you want to join him there, then be my guest. :-\
Stay classy, "Your Name"! ; )
>
>> Do also note that Joly Roger states my experiences with these old
>> applications.....
>
> Jolly Roger is a moron who doesn't know anything, which is why he's in
> my killfile. If you want to join him there, then be my guest. :-\
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