Mac is about value
Doc Mertens
that you Mac Morons pay for when you buy a Mac. Microsoft's publicity
budget must be something like 1/10th that of Apple. All completely
technologically irrelevant ads:
* Accident�A wheelchair-bound PC, who is wearing casts on his arms,
explains that he fell off his desk when someone tripped over his power
cord, thus prompting Mac to point out that the MacBook's and MacBook
Pro's magnetic power cord prevents such an occurrence. The Macbook at
the end of the ad gets its cord pulled out of it, detaching harmlessly.
* Angel/Devil�Mac gives PC an iPhoto book to view. Suddenly, angel
and devil versions of PC appear behind him. The angel encourages PC to
compliment Mac, while the devil prods PC to destroy the book. In the
end, PC says the book is good, and then turns around, feeling the air
where the angel and devil versions of PC were.
* Bake Sale�PC is seen having a bake sale. When Mac questions PC
regarding the occasion, PC replies that he is trying to raise money by
himself in order to fix Vista's problems. Mac decides to contribute by
buying a cupcake and as soon as he takes a bite, PC wants Mac to pay ten
million dollars for it.
* Bean Counter�PC is doing a little budgeting and admits that
Vista's problems are frustrating PC users and that it's time to take
drastic action: spending almost all of the money on advertising. When
Mac asks PC if he thinks the small amount of money left will fix Vista,
PC reallocates all of it to advertising. This ad coincided with the
introduction of Microsoft's "I'm a PC" campaign.
* Better�Mac praises PC�s ability with spreadsheets, but explains
that he is better with life stuff, such as music, pictures, and movies.
PC defensively asks what Mac means by "better," only to sheepishly claim
a different definition when Mac tells him.
* Better Results�PC and Mac discuss making home movies, and show
each other their efforts. Supermodel Gisele B�ndchen enters,
representing Mac's movie, while PC's movie is represented by a man with
a hairy chest and a blonde wig wearing a dress similar to B�ndchen's. PC
states that there's some work in progress with his movie.
* Biohazard Suit�PC first appears wearing a biohazard suit to
protect himself from PC viruses and malware, of which PC says there are
20,000 discovered every day. Mac asks PC if he is going to live the suit
for the rest of his life, and PC cannot hear him because he is too
protected by his virus-proof mask, and takes it off. PC then shrieks and
struggles to place it on again.
* Boxer�PC is introduced as if he was in a Boxing match, stating
that he's not going down without a fight. Mac says back that it's not a
competition but, rather, people switching to a computer that's simpler
and more intuitive. The ring announcer admits his brother-in-law got a
Mac and loves it.
* Breakthrough�Mac and PC's therapist (played by Corinne Bohrer,
see "Counselor" below) suggest that PC's problems are simply a result of
software and hardware coming from various places, whereas Mac gets all
his hardware and software from one place. "It's not my fault!" PC keeps
repeating with support of Mac and the therapist. Then PC concludes,
"It's Mac's fault! It's Mac's fault!" with Mac and the therapist
disappointed in PC's conclusion. PC ends with the comment "What a
Breakthrough!"
* Broken Promises�PC tells Mac how excited he is about the launch
of Windows 7 and assures him it won't have the same problems as Vista.
However, Mac feels like he heard this before, and has a series of
flashbacks about PC assuring Mac about Windows Vista, XP, Me, 98, 95,
and 3.1. On the last flashback, he says "Trust me." Back in the present,
he says this time it's going to be different, then says "Trust me." in
an almost identical way to the flashback.
* Calming Teas�PC announces calming teas and bath salts to make
Vista's annoyances easier to live with, such as 'Crashy-time Chamomile',
'Missing Driver Mint', 'Pomegranate Patience', and 'Raspberry Restart'.
He doesn't get time to talk about his Bath Salts.
* Choose a Vista�Confused about which of the six versions of
Windows Vista to get, PC spins a big game wheel. PC lands on Lose a
Turn, and Mac questions why PC put that space on the wheel.
* Computer Cart�PC and three other men in suits are on a computer
cart. When Mac asks why, PC says that he gets an error with a Windows
Media Player Dynamic-link library file (WMP.DLL), and that the others
suffer from similar errors (The man in the beige suit represents error
692, the man in the grey suit represents a Syntax error, and the man in
the bottom of the cart represents Fatal error in which PC whispers,
"He's a goner," after the commercial). Mac explains that Macs don't get
cryptic error messages.
* Counselor�PC and Mac visit a psychotherapist (played by Corinne
Bohrer) to resolve their differences. However, while Mac finds it easy
to compliment PC ("You are a wizard with numbers and you dress like a
gentleman"), PC's resentment is too deep for him to reciprocate ("I
guess you are better at creating stuff, even though it's completely
juvenile and a waste of time."). The counselor suggests that they come
twice a week.
* Customer Care�Mac is seen again with an Apple Genius, a real-life
person who can help you with your Mac problems. PC then has a short
montage of endless automated customer-support messages, never reaching a
real person, which is not to PC's liking, and he then says that his
source of help is 'the same' as Mac Genius.
* Elimination�PC attempts to find Megan, a new laptop hunter, the
perfect PC. Unfortunately, no PCs are immune to viruses, which is
Megan's #1 concern, so PC leaves her with Mac.
* Flashback�Mac asks PC if he would like to see the Web site and
home movie that he made. This prompts PC to remember a time when both he
and Mac were children: when the younger Mac asks the younger PC if he
would like to see some artwork he did, the younger PC takes out a
calculator and calculates the time they have just wasted. (This may be a
reference to the time when PC's were text-based, while Macs were slower
but had GUIs) Returning from the flashback, PC does the same thing.
* Genius�Mac introduces PC to one of the Apple Geniuses from the
Apple Retail Store's Genius Bar. PC tests the Genius, starting with math
questions, which culminates in asking her, on a scale of one to ten, how
much does he loathe Mac, to which she answers "Eleven," and PC says
"She's good. Very good."
* Gift Exchange�Mac and PC exchange gifts for Christmas; PC, who is
hoping for a C++ GUI programming guide, is disappointed to receive a
photo album of previous Get a Mac ads made on iPhoto, and Mac receives
from PC a C++ GUI programming guide.
* Goodwill�Mac and PC agree to put aside their differences because
of the Christmas season. Although PC momentarily slips and states that
Mac wastes his time with frivolous pursuits like home movies and blogs,
the two agree to, as Mac says, "Pull it into hug harbor," and the each
wish each other a good holiday.
* Group�PC is at a help group for PCs living with Vista. The other
PCs there tell him to take it one day at a time and that he is facing
the biggest fact of all�that Vista isn't working as it should. They all
wish the Vista problems will go away sooner and a lot easier. One of
them says pleasingly that he has been error-free for a week and starts
to repeat himself uncontrollably and the others get discouraged.
* iLife�PC is listening to an iPod and praises iTunes. Mac replies
that the rest of iLife works just as well and comes on every Mac. PC
defensively responds by listing the cool apps that he comes with�but can
only identify Calculator and Clock.
* I Can Do Anything�An animated Get a Mac commercial designed for
the holidays. PC asks Mac why he loves the holidays so much. Mac says it
is the season for peace on Earth. PC says that they get to be animated
and can do anything. PC demonstrates by floating in the air, building a
snowman in fast motion, and talking to animals. PC asks a bunny hopping
by where he is going. The bunny replies by saying he's going to the
Apple Store for some last-minute gifts. PC then purposely tips the
snowman's head off making it fall on the bunny and, sarcastically
apologizes to him, calling himself clumsy. The animation is like the Get
a Mac Santa Claus ad in a style similar to the Rankin-Bass animation style.
* Legal Copy�Every time PC says something positive about himself,
the legal copy that appears on the screen increases. He finally states
that PCs are now 100% trouble-free, and the legal copy covers the whole
screen.
* Meant for Work�PC, looking haggard and covered in stickers,
complains about the kids who use him and their activities, such as
making movies and blogging, which are wearing him out, saying that he
cries himself to sleep mode every night. He complains that, unlike Mac,
he is meant more for office work. PC then trudges off because his user
wants to listen to some emo, and, with a loud groan, trudges off to show
an Anarchy sticker on his back.
* Misprint�PC is on the phone with PCWorld, attempting to report a
misprint. He explains how they said, "The fastest Windows Vista notebook
we tested this year is a Mac." PC goes on to argue how impossible it is
for a Mac to run Vista faster than a PC while Mac tries to explain that
it is true. While arguing with PCWorld over the phone, PC says that
he'll put Mac on the line to set things straight. However, he instead
lowers his voice and talks cool in an attempt to impersonate Mac, saying
that PCs are faster.
* Network�Mac and PC, holding hands to demonstrate their ability to
network with each other, are joined by a Japanese woman representing a
new digital camera, who enters and takes the Mac character's hand. While
Mac and the camera are perfectly compatible and speak to each other
fluently, PC�who cannot speak Japanese�is utterly confused and unable to
communicate, representing that Windows PCs need a driver installation
with virtually all new hardware.
* Now What�PC begins by showing off his new, long book, I Want to
Buy a Computer � Now What? to help customers deal with all the difficult
computer-buying decisions, with no one out there to help. Mac then
replies that buying a computer is in fact really easy, explaining that
at Apple Stores there are personal shoppers to help you find the perfect
Mac. Mac goes on to say that there are even workshops there to teach
people about using the computers. Upon hearing this, PC says that he
also thought of this and brings out the companion volume, I Just Bought
a Computer � Now What?
* Office Stress�Mac's new Microsoft Office 2008 has just been
released. In the box that PC gives Mac is a stress toy for him to use
when he gets overwhelmed from doing lots more work, which PC begins
using as he complains that Microsoft Office is also compatible with Mac
and that he wants to switch his files over and he is getting less work
than Mac, eventually breaking the toy.
* Off the Air�Mac and PC show up with a Mac Genius who says that it
is now easier than ever to switch to a Mac and that a Mac Genius can
switch over a PCs files to a new Mac for free. PC then says that it is
fear that keeps people from switching and that people don't need to hear
about the Mac Genius. In protest he pulls a cover over the camera which
has a test card drawn on it and declares that they are off the air.
* Out of the Box�Mac (in a white box) and PC (in a brown box doing
some exercises) are discussing what they will do when they are unpacked.
Mac says that he can get started right away, but PC is held up by the
numerous activities that he must complete before being useful. Mac
eventually leaves to get right to work, but PC is forced to wait for
parts that are still in other boxes.
* PC Choice Chat�PC has his own radio talk show called PC Choice
Chat, and people begin to call in asking for advice on which computer to
get. All the callers ask for advice on a computer that would qualify as
a Mac but not a PC, as one caller asks for a computer that is for people
who hate getting viruses. One other caller asks for PC help like Mac
genius, and another wants to switch to Mac. PC ignores these calls.
* PC Innovations Lab-PC, who has wrapped another PC in Bubble Wrap,
is saying that the Bubble Wrap is actually a security shield. Mac tries
to speak, but PC cuts him off, showing another PC who apparently has
cupholders on his shoulders. The cupholders are full of foam coffee
cups, and PC takes a full coffee cup, pretending to toast the cup and
saying, "Here's a toast to innovation".
* PC News�PC is sitting at a news desk and turns it over to a
correspondent at what seems to be a launch party for Windows 7 until a
person being interviewed reveals that he is switching to a Mac. PC is
surprised by this and asks why, and more people speak of how Mac is #1
with customer satisfaction and PC finally says to cut the feed. This is
one of two commercials where Mac and PC acknowledge that they are in a
commercial. PC: "Let's go to a commercial." Mac: "We are a commercial".
PC: "Let's go to another commercial".
* Pep Rally�PC is introduced by a cheerleading squad. When asked to
explain, PC explains that Mac's number-one status on college campuses
with his built-in iSight camera, his Stable operating system, and being
able to run Microsoft Office so well, so he is trying to win students
back with a pep rally. The cheerleaders cheer, "Mac's Number One!" and
upon PC's complaint, they cheer, "PC's Number Two!"
* Party is Over�PC unhappily throws a party celebrating the release
of Windows Vista. He complains to Mac that he had to upgrade his
hardware and now can't use some of his old software and peripherals. He
then talks with one of the party members about throwing another in five
years, which turns into five years and a day, and so on.
* Pizza Box�PC tries to attract college students by posing as a
free box of pizza. This ad was aired during Apple's 2008 back-to-school
promotion.
* Podium�PC, in the style of a political candidate, is standing at
a podium making declarations about Windows Vista, urging those who are
having compatibility problems with existing hardware to simply replace
them and to ignore the new features of Mac OS X Leopard However, he
privately admits to Mac that he himself has downgraded to Windows XP
three weeks ago. His key slogan is It's not about what Vista can do for
you, it's what you can buy for Vista.
* PR Lady�Mac and PC are joined by a public relations
representative (played by Mary Chris Wall), who has been hired by PC to
place a positive spin on the reaction to Windows Vista and claims that
many people are even downgrading back to Windows XP, but her response to
claims that more people are switching to Mac instead is a sheepish "No
comment."
* Referee�A referee is present, according to PC, to make sure that
Mac doesn't go on saying that Leopard is better and faster than Vista.
When Mac defends himself saying that it was The Wall Street Journal that
compared the two, PC complains, and the referee sides with Mac. Upon
insulting the referee, PC gets ejected, but PC rebuts, saying that he
has nowhere to go (in the ad's area).
* Restarting�Mac and PC explain how they both have a lot in common,
but their discussion is hampered by PC's unfortunate habit of freezing
and restarting.
* Sabotage�PC is present, but a different actor appears in Mac's
place, obviously reciting poorly memorized lines to flatter PC. The real
Mac arrives soon after, and while PC sheepishly denies anything is
happening, Impostor Mac tells Real Mac that he's a big fan.
* Sad Song�PC sings a short country-and-Western-style song because
Vista has gotten him feeling down. The song is about people leaving him
for Mac and that Vista's got issues. A hound-dog then howls, and Mac
claims the song is touching. A longer version ends with PC asking Mac if
the dog is his, which it isn't.
* Sales Pitch�Although Mac introduces himself as usual, PC says,
"And buy a PC." He explains that Mac's increasing popularity is forcing
him to be more forward in his self-promotion, and is reduced to holding
up red signs with various pitches on them.
*Santa Claus�Another animated Get a Mac commercial featuring Santa
Claus and Christmas caroling by both PC and Mac. PC spoils the song by
inserting "Buy a PC and not a Mac this holiday season or any other time
for goodness sake," and claims, "That's how I learned it." The animation
style is similar to the Rankin/Bass television specials Rudolph the
Red-Nosed Reindeer and Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town.
* Security�In a reference to criticisms of Windows Vista's security
features, PC is a joined by a tall United States Secret Service-style
bodyguard who represents Vista's new security feature and intrusively
demands that he cancel or allow every incoming or outgoing interaction
he has with Mac.
* Self Pity�Mac, for once, is wearing a suit, and explains that he
does work stuff too, and has been running Microsoft Office for years.
Upon hearing this, PC becomes despondent and collapses on the floor,
begging to be left alone to depreciate.
* Stuffed�PC enters slowly with a ballooned torso, explaining that
all the trial software is slowing him down. Mac replies that Macs only
come with the software you want (namely, the iLife package). As PC
finally gets on his mark, Mac begins his intro again, but PC realizes
that he's forgotten something and begins to slowly leave.
* Stacks�PC is searching through all of his pictures, trying to
find a photograph of his friend. He searches one picture at a time, but
Mac states that iPhoto has a feature called Faces, in which you tag the
face of a person and iPhoto finds other pictures of the same person,
putting them all into the same folder and saving search time. PC
responds to the facial-recognition technology as expensive and tells Mac
to sort the pictures instead because he has the technology to make it
easier.
* Surgery�PC appears in the garb of a patient awaiting surgery, and
explains that he is upgrading to Windows Vista but requires surgery to
upgrade (specifically, upgrading such items as graphics cards,
processors, memory, etc). In reference to perceived difficulties in
upgrading, PC admits that he is worried about going through it and
bequeaths his peripherals to Mac should he not survive. Mac ask PC if,
like him, his upgrade is just straightforward.
* Surprise�Mac appears alongside a customer (Andree Vermeulen),
with PC notably absent. The customer says she's looking to buy a great
computer. Mac tries to convince her that she should get a PC, telling
her that they're much better and more stable. The customer seems
skeptical, tells Mac she'll "think about it", and leaves. A frustrated
Mac pulls off a mask and his clothes, revealing himself to be PC in
disguise. The real Mac then appears, sees PC's discarded mask and
clothes, and says "I don't even wanna ask."
* Tech Support�A technician is present to install a Web cam on PC
(using masking tape to attach it to his head). PC is extremely pleased
by his new upgrade, but upon hearing from the technician that Mac has a
built-in Web cam, he storms off without waiting for the camera to be
fully installed.
* Teeter Tottering�A woman who had a PC has a box of things that
were in her PC and says she's switching to Mac, but PC tries to convince
her to stay while she just goes over to Mac every time.
* Throne�PC appears in a king's robe and throne saying that even
though switching computers can be difficult, his subjects won't leave
him and that he's still king. Mac then begins talking about how PC's
subjects can just bring their PC into an Apple Store where they'll
transfer all the files over to a new Mac, at which PC declares Mac banished.
* Time Machine�In the typical introduction of Mac and PC, instead
of there being one Mac, there is a line of 10. PC is shocked, so the
various Macs explain that it is simply Time Machine, a feature in
Leopard that makes regular backups of a user's hard drive. PC is forced
to admit that such a feature is pretty awesome followed by thanks from
the various Macs.
* Time Traveler�PC uses a time machine to travel to the year 2150
to see if any major issues (such as freezing and crashing) have been
removed from the PC and to see if PCs are as hassle-free as Macs.
Promptly after PC arrives at 2150, future PC literally freezes, which
answers the question.
* Top of the Line�PC and Mac appear with a customer who's looking
for a new computer. PC introduces her to the "top of the line" PC
(Patrick Warburton), a handsome and overly slick PC in a suit. She asks
him about screen size and speed, to which Top of the Line says he's the
best, but he then balks when she says she doesn't want to deal with any
viruses or hassle. She decides to go with Mac, so Top of the Line hands
her his business card and tells her to give him a call "when she's ready
to compromise."
* Touch�Right after PC introduces himself, the Mac character
replies, "And I'm a PC, too." Mac explains to the confused PC that he
can run both Mac OS X and Microsoft Windows, calling himself the only
computer you'll ever need. PC mutters, "Oh...touch�." The Mac character,
referring to the rules of fencing, explains that one only says touch�
after he or she makes a point and someone else makes a counterpoint, but
the PC character continues to misuse the word. A similar conversation
occurred in Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story, a film in which Justin
Long (Mac) appeared.
* Trainer-The commercial starts off traditionally, but PC is doing
sit-ups with a trainer in a striped shirt (Robert Loggia), saying fierce
things to make PC improved. PC suggests the trainer try some 'positive
reinforcement', and is a little angry and shocked when the trainer
compliments Mac instead.
* Tree Trimming�Another animated Get a Mac commercial for the
holiday season. Mac and PC set aside their disagreements and decide to
trim a Christmas tree by hanging ornaments and stringing lights. Mac
tells PC that they are good friends, while PC gets nervous. When they
are finished, PC does not want to light the lights on the tree, but Mac
persuades him to do so. PC plugs in the tree's lights, and they light up
and say "PC RULES." He apologizes to Mac and says that it just sort of
happened. The animation is like the Get a Mac Santa Claus ad in the
Rankin-Bass animation style.
* Trust Mac�PC, in an attempt to hide from spyware, is wearing a
trench coat, a fedora, dark glasses, and a false mustache. PC offers Mac
a disguise, but Mac declines, saying he doesn't have to worry about the
normal PC spyware and viruses with Mac OS X Leopard.
* V Word�PC declares that they're going to stop referring to his
operating system (Vista) by name. He says using the word "doesn't sit
well with frustrated PC users. From now on, we're going to use a word
with a lot less baggage: 'Windows.'" He is holding a black box with a
large red button that sounds a buzzer when pressed. PC presses the
button whenever Mac says Vista. After pointing out that not using the
word isn't the same as fixing the operating system's problems, Mac ends
the ad by saying Vista several times in rapid succession, thwarting PC's
attempts to sound the buzzer.
* Viruses�PC has caught a new virus (represented as a cold) and
warns Mac to stay away from him, citing the 114,000 known viruses for
PCs. Mac states that the viruses that affect PCs don't affect him, and
PC announces that he's going to crash before collapsing onto the floor
in a faint.
* Work vs. Home�Mac describes how he enjoys doing fun stuff such as
podcasts and movies, which leads PC to claim that he also does fun stuff
such as timesheets, spreadsheets, and pie charts. After Mac responds
that it is difficult to capture a family vacation using a pie chart, PC
rebuts by showing a pie chart representing hanging-out time and just
kicking it with different shades of gray. Mac replies, "I feel like I
was there."
* Wall Street Journal�Mac is reading a favorable review of himself
by Walt Mossberg in the Wall Street Journal. Jealous, PC then claims
that he also received a great review, but is caught off-guard when Mac
asks for specific details. This ad is currently not available on the
Apple Web site but can be found on YouTube.
* Yoga�Mac is watching PC have a yoga session in which the yoga
instructor (Judy Greer) is coaching PC in expelling bad Vista energy and
forgetting Vista's problems, but when the yoga instructor goes on to
complain that Vista screwed up the yoga billing and then storms off, PC
considers switching to pilates.
Source: Wikipedia
Tom Harrington
Doc Mertens <d...@mactardsss.com> wrote:
> People say Macs are about value, and here is why. Look at this ad list
> that you Mac Morons pay for when you buy a Mac.
How sad your life must be that you took the time to compile that list.
--
Tom "Tom" Harrington
Independent Mac OS X developer since 2002
http://www.atomicbird.com/
Priam
> In article<hhgamb$34n$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Doc Mertens<d...@mactardsss.com> wrote:
>
>> People say Macs are about value, and here is why. Look at this ad list
>> that you Mac Morons pay for when you buy a Mac.
>
> How sad your life must be that you took the time to compile that list.
Very sad. Mainly that right after I finished, I found that it was on
Wikipedia. Hence I wrote: Source: Wikipedia :)
What arguments Mac Morons have to completely destroy Linux users' point
of view!
Priam
(snip)
"It has been estimated that the average cost of producing a 30-second
national TV commercial is nearly $350,000. But before you panic,
understand that like any other form of advertising, a television
commercial can be as simple or as complicated as you want to make it.
Not surprisingly, the cost to produce the commercial goes up as the
quality and complexity of the commercial increases."
"For example, a 30-second spot during the 2005 Superbowl sold for $2.4
million. Commercials during less-watched programs are more affordable,
but the cost of those commercials may still run in excess of $100,000
per 30-seconds."
http://www.gaebler.com/Television-Advertising-Costs.htm
How much of your Mac "value" goes to advertising?
If a 30 second spot costs $100,000 and 10% of the price of a $1,000 Mac
goes into advertising, it takes 1,000 Macs to pay for this one spot to
be aired once. In Doc Mertens' list are 66 spots and God knows how many
times each one has been aired.
How many HP ads have you seen on TV lately? How many for the
neighbourhood store?
So, when Mezei and fat ass Steiner talk about Mac "value", how much of
the price you pay goes into things that have no value at all?
I'm sorry to say, but the only conclusion is that Mac Morons are paying
big wampum to be screwed badly.
Father Justin
> People say Macs are about value, and here is why. Look at this ad list
> that you Mac Morons pay for when you buy a Mac. Microsoft's publicity
> budget must be something like 1/10th that of Apple. All completely
> technologically irrelevant ads:
>
> Source: Wikipedia
Yes, I should use Linux.
That way I can get a Dell, pay for Windows and immediately delete it off
my system.
I love paying for stuff I don't use!
I'm going to spend $46,000 on a new Acura TL and bury it.
Priam
> On 12/30/09 2:46 PM, Doc Mertens wrote:
>> People say Macs are about value, and here is why. Look at this ad list
>> that you Mac Morons pay for when you buy a Mac. Microsoft's publicity
>> budget must be something like 1/10th that of Apple. All completely
>> technologically irrelevant ads:
>
>>
>> Source: Wikipedia
>
> Yes, I should use Linux.
> That way I can get a Dell, pay for Windows and immediately delete it off
> my system.
1) You can leave it there if you wish to play games
2) Some Dell models are offered with Linux
3) If service is a concern to you, wouldn't you rather buy your computer
from a neighbourhood shop?
4) If you do buy a Dell computer with Windows can a Mac Moron figure out
how little Dell pays for Windows when the whoel computer may sell for $429 ?
5) If you live in certain European countries -- I know France is one of
them -- you're entitled to a refund if the computer was sold without the
option of buying it at a lesser price without Windows. What's better is
that since the terms of the contract between the OEM and Microsoft are
not divulged, you may get someting like half the price your version of
Windows sells for, which is certainly much more than the OEM has paid.
Your kind of short-sighted reasoning suits a Mac Moron perfectly well.
JF Mezei
> So, when Mezei and fat ass Steiner talk about Mac "value", how much of
> the price you pay goes into things that have no value at all?
Mr Priam, just for fun, I went to www.canadacomputers.com
Look at the price difference of a bare motherboard that has Quickpath
architecture versus ones that don't.
Both the mac pro and xserve are based on quickpath. So the higher price
for Macs is not solely to feed a poor struggling Steve Jobs who is
forced to survive on a $1/year salary.
Wes Groleau
> "He's a goner," after the commercial). Mac explains that Macs don't get
> cryptic error messages.
OS X doesn't get as many error messages, but some of them are still
cryptic. OTOH, in OS 9 days, they were just as cryptic as Windows or Amiga.
--
Wes Groleau
What kind of smiley is C:\ ?
Priam
I have other things to do than compare all Mac computers specs and price
to the PC hardware. In the thread "The cost of a Mac", I posted the
specs of the computer I bought and asked what I could possibly get in
the MacWorld for the money I paid, $682 CAD. Here are the specs once again:
AMD Phenom II X3 Black Edition Triple Core 2.8 GHz CPU
Gigabyte MA770T-UD3P mobo
4 GB of DDR3 1333 MHz RAM
9400GT video card 1 GB RAM
640 GB Western Digital HD
450W Alpha RaidMax PSU
Alpha RaidMax black case with enough room for 3 or 4 additional drives
Keyboard, Logitech mouse
Guaranteed one year at a local shop. The store has been in business for
more than 10 years.
Your quickpath interface (QPI) is the Intel equivalent to AMD's
HyperTransport.
I have HyperTransport. The memory controller supports ECC memory. So
does the MA770T-UD3P mobo.
The 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon there is in a Mac Pro is a more
powerful CPU than mine, So is the NVIDIA GeForce GT 120, which is based
on the 9500 GT with improved thermal designs.
I need the neither the power of the CPU or the graphic card and the
improved thermal designs. I don't need ECC, I never compile code. I
don't need WiFi, Blutooth and the now almost obsolete in Mac systems
Firewire 800. They would have cost an extra $100.
The real difference? The MacPro with one CPU is worth 2,500 frickin'
dollars. Almost 4 times as much!!!
You think you can find a better comparison to my computer in the
AppleWorld? Go ahead, figure it out! Until now, I had no answer to my
invitation. Nobody dared.
Shit, JF Mezei, are you really that stupid? What does it take before you
figure out you've being swindled?
JF Mezei
> Shit, JF Mezei, are you really that stupid? What does it take before you
> figure out you've being swindled?
My previous Macs have lasted me many many many years. You seem to be
buying ne el-cheapo PCs all the time since you have so much experience
with their pricing.
Buying "state of the art" today allows a computer to remain viable for a
few additional years before it is considered too slow for new
applications. And to this end, the added initial cost pays off because
your equipment lasts longer.
Also, I may have been "swindled", but I also made money with Apple.
I bought at $140 and it ended the year at $211, a roughly 50% return on
investment. Did your corner store give you that return on investment ?
Tom Harrington
Priam <pr...@notsosure.com> wrote:
> On 12/30/2009 07:20 PM, Tom Harrington wrote:
> > In article<hhgamb$34n$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Doc Mertens<d...@mactardsss.com> wrote:
> >
> >> People say Macs are about value, and here is why. Look at this ad list
> >> that you Mac Morons pay for when you buy a Mac.
> >
> > How sad your life must be that you took the time to compile that list.
>
> Very sad. Mainly that right after I finished, I found that it was on
> Wikipedia. Hence I wrote: Source: Wikipedia :)
You did, huh? So you admit resorting to using different names to bypass
people's kill files.
> What arguments Mac Morons have to completely destroy Linux users' point
> of view!
Whatever. Please do yourself a favor and get a life.
Priam
> In article<hhgrd1$kp1$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Priam<pr...@notsosure.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/30/2009 07:20 PM, Tom Harrington wrote:
>>> In article<hhgamb$34n$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> Doc Mertens<d...@mactardsss.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> People say Macs are about value, and here is why. Look at this ad list
>>>> that you Mac Morons pay for when you buy a Mac.
>>>
>>> How sad your life must be that you took the time to compile that list.
>>
>> Very sad. Mainly that right after I finished, I found that it was on
>> Wikipedia. Hence I wrote: Source: Wikipedia :)
>
> You did, huh? So you admit resorting to using different names to bypass
> people's kill files.
So you think I use a different name because I went to Wikipedia huh?
Yes, I most often use a different name for my first post because I want
to make sure all M&Ms at least can't escape my first post, which is
often the one that has more meat in it. After, it's their choice if they
want to keep blindfolded and listen to Mr Smartass on TV.
Even so, please note that, as a supposed troll, I'm not one of the top
posters and that all the crap that is posted by M&Ms to pat each other's
back after they face reality outnumber my posts at least by a factor of ten.
Now, buzz off! You're just adding noise.
Priam
> Priam wrote:
>
>> Shit, JF Mezei, are you really that stupid? What does it take before you
>> figure out you've being swindled?
>
>
> My previous Macs have lasted me many many many years. You seem to be
> buying ne el-cheapo PCs all the time since you have so much experience
> with their pricing.
Well, I have experience with the pricing of the computer I bought 6
months ago and for the equipment I looked at when I bought it.
Otherwise, I generally take my prices at NewEgg or on Apple's site.
As I said time and again, I bought my previous computer in 2001 and it's
still in perfect working order
> Buying "state of the art" today allows a computer to remain viable for a
> few additional years before it is considered too slow for new
> applications. And to this end, the added initial cost pays off because
> your equipment lasts longer.
When both our computers are 7-8 years old, it won't matter much that
yours has a more powerful cpu and video card. Soon, there will be USB 3,
SSDs that are faster and cheaper and so on and updating the old
computers to accept the new technology will be either impossible --
mainly on the Mac -- or too expensive. Both computers value will be
closing in on zero.
That's what happened to my previous computer. When 1GB of DDR3 RAM costs
$20 and you have to pay the same for 256 MB of DDR RAM, it just isn't
worth it, given that the video card is too slow, the CPU also, the DD is
too small and so on. The computer belongs to another era. Same for a Mac.
> Also, I may have been "swindled", but I also made money with Apple.
> I bought at $140 and it ended the year at $211, a roughly 50% return on
> investment. Did your corner store give you that return on investment ?
This has nothing to do with computers. It has to do with the fact that
M&Ms buy anything at any price if it just looks soooo cuuute.
Robert Haar
> I have other things to do than compare all Mac computers specs and price
> to the PC hardware. In the thread "The cost of a Mac", I posted the
> specs of the computer I bought and asked what I could possibly get in
> the MacWorld for the money I paid, $682 CAD. Here are the specs once again:
In other words, Apple does not sell a computer with the same configuration.
To make a price comparison, you have to configure a PC with an identical or
nearly identical configuration. Published studies have done so and found
Apple prices to be comparable for equivalent configurations.
I have long felt that Apple is missing a bet by not having a mid size
desktop computer, something between the Mini and a Mac Pro. I am not a fan
of the all-in-one format of the iMacs and would like something with more
internal expandability than a Mini.
Priam
> On 12/31/09 1:47 AM, "Priam"<pr...@notsosure.com> wrote:
>
>> I have other things to do than compare all Mac computers specs and price
>> to the PC hardware. In the thread "The cost of a Mac", I posted the
>> specs of the computer I bought and asked what I could possibly get in
>> the MacWorld for the money I paid, $682 CAD. Here are the specs once again:
>
> In other words, Apple does not sell a computer with the same configuration.
> To make a price comparison, you have to configure a PC with an identical or
> nearly identical configuration.
Adding Firewire 800, Blutooth and WiFi on a PC costs around $100. Go at
NewEgg and forget about the ballyhoo expensive stuff, that's not what
Apple offers you, and figure it out.
In order to make an Apple equivalent, you must do like Apple and deal
with the lowest bidder, within a certain quality range, of course. The
mobo, CPU, memory, etc that I have on my computer are as good or better
quality than the noname stuff you'll find on a Mac.
I remember when I bought an ethernet card on my previous computer. I
told the salesman I didn't want to pay for problems but I didn't want to
pay for publicity and ballyhoo.
He brought me a $10 DLink card. When I asked "Are you sure it's going to
work?" he answered "If it doesn't, bring it back."
When I arrived home, I was pissed off because there were only
instructions for every version of Windows. None for Linux! I installed
the card, rebooted and it worked! It has been working ever since. No
ballyhoo.
> Published studies have done so and found
> Apple prices to be comparable for equivalent configurations.
Don't believe studies. Do your own shopping. If you're unsure of the
quality of some materail, go to appropriate forums and newsgroups, see
what people think about it. It will take a little more time than buying
a computer for brainwashwed on Apple's site, but it will suit your needs
at a decent price.
Maccies often say that the AMD CPU I have on my computer is not as good
quality as an Intel. What proof do they have? Did they ever had an AMD
CPU that failed? I had an AMD CPU on a 486 and it offered more bang for
the buck than Intel's. It never failed.
But, how come some shops will show you a handful of AMD CPUs that
failed? That's because overclockers kids like to brag about making a 2
core CPU be as powerful as a quad core. They sometimes go as far as
dropping the computer in liquid notrogen or God knows what and then,
they brag. Even the very common mobo I have makes overclocking very easy.
But sometimes, kids fry the CPU and bring it back to the store. I
believe AMD finally made it clear that if you fry a CPU, it's not their
problem, it's yours.
Publicity turns ignorant Mac Morons into phoney experts. They are
exactly the kind of dummies that Apple portrayed in its 1984 commercial.
> I have long felt that Apple is missing a bet by not having a mid size
> desktop computer, something between the Mini and a Mac Pro. I am not a fan
> of the all-in-one format of the iMacs and would like something with more
> internal expandability than a Mini.
Apple is always careful not to offer material that you can't find on the
market, save for the Mac Pro. The Mac Pro, I suppose, is used by
professionals who use Final Cut PhotoShop or AutoCAD and have no choice
but to pay the price. And, of course, by a majority of braggarts who
want to pretend they're professionals. You know, they've seen the video
where Walter Murch seriously explains that you can even use Final Cut
studio to edit your home videos. (You sure can, but the question rather
is, do you need it, except for bragging?)
So, you better forget it. Apple will never offer the so-called "missing
link". People could go to NewEgg and compare.
Mr. Strat
<pr...@notsosure.com> wrote:
> Maccies often say that the AMD CPU I have on my computer is not as good
> quality as an Intel. What proof do they have? Did they ever had an AMD
> CPU that failed? I had an AMD CPU on a 486 and it offered more bang for
> the buck than Intel's. It never failed.
AMD currently are, have always been, and will likely be in the future -
crap...based on decades of IT experience.
JF Mezei
> AMD currently are, have always been, and will likely be in the future -
> crap...based on decades of IT experience.
That is not correct. There was a period a couple years ago where AMD had
technology that was way ahead of Intel's. In fact, AMD had the
equivalent of the CSI/Quickpath many years before Intel. (but Intel's
implementation is now better than AMDs).
Priam
"decades of IT experience" :) One of your previous response: "Stupid
fucking penguin" suited your degree of knowledge much better.
bezel
Priam <pr...@notsosure.com> wrote:
> Yes, I most often use a different name for my first post because I want
> to make sure all M&Ms at least can't escape my first post, which is
> often the one that has more meat in it. After, it's their choice if they
> want to keep blindfolded and listen to Mr Smartass on TV.
How many people have you converted?
Lloyd Parsons
bezel <be...@munged.com> wrote:
Most likely zero. I figger if he is so dishonest that he has to switch
to nyms to get anyone to read his crap, then they would also figger his
postings are dishonest to begin with.
Of course, occasionally he does suck someone in. I know, he got me once!
Jolly Roger
He hasn't escaped my filters yet.
Sit. Stay. Good dog. : )
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