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John Thornley
Feb 17, 2015, 4:21:26 PM2/17/15
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Hi folks,
Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
I had been using Unison, version 2.2, but it became unusable on
Yosemite for me. It would crash frequently and I was unable to load up
some of the bigger groups I was subscribed to. I took advice and
downgraded to 1.8.1 and it seems to be much better, although still
freezes and crashes when loading groups.
I don't really know of any other usenet clients on that Mac that
actually let you browse newsgroups the way in which Unison does. I
like the idea of being able to browse binary groups with a client like
Unison.
Any input or suggestions is appreciated.
John
Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
I had been using Unison, version 2.2, but it became unusable on
Yosemite for me. It would crash frequently and I was unable to load up
some of the bigger groups I was subscribed to. I took advice and
downgraded to 1.8.1 and it seems to be much better, although still
freezes and crashes when loading groups.
I don't really know of any other usenet clients on that Mac that
actually let you browse newsgroups the way in which Unison does. I
like the idea of being able to browse binary groups with a client like
Unison.
Any input or suggestions is appreciated.
John
Alan Browne
Feb 17, 2015, 5:36:37 PM2/17/15
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https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.mac.apps/wAyedtKxQ2U/qWci6c0mn9UJ
Unison 1.8.1 is probably your best bet for binaries at present.
I use Thunderbird.
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heron stone
Feb 17, 2015, 6:15:43 PM2/17/15
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Unison 2.1.10 works fine for me 10.10
heron stone
Feb 17, 2015, 6:16:25 PM2/17/15
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and i use Thoth for text... Unison for DLs
gtr
Feb 17, 2015, 7:45:39 PM2/17/15
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On 2015-02-17 23:15:41 +0000, heron stone said:
> Unison 2.1.10 works fine for me 10.10
Unison 2.1.10 works fine for me with 10.10.2
> Unison 2.1.10 works fine for me 10.10
tmo1138
Feb 17, 2015, 9:41:01 PM2/17/15
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On 2015-02-17, John Thornley <thor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
>
>
> Any input or suggestions is appreciated.
>
> John
>
I went back to slrn. I haven't been able to get Unison to work decently on
>
> John
>
10.10.x at all.
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gtr
Feb 17, 2015, 11:25:47 PM2/17/15
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On 2015-02-18 02:40:20 +0000, tmo1138 said:
> On 2015-02-17, John Thornley <thor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
>>
>> Any input or suggestions is appreciated.
>
> On 2015-02-17, John Thornley <thor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
>>
>> Any input or suggestions is appreciated.
>
> I went back to slrn. I haven't been able to get Unison to work decently on
> 10.10.x at all.
Curious. I've never had a significant problem with 2.1.10. I can
> 10.10.x at all.
still crash it fusssing with my personality/signature options, which I
don't have much need for. So I don't do that.
tmo1138
Feb 17, 2015, 11:33:57 PM2/17/15
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files/folders, and reboot.. Initial tryouts were favorable so I might switch
back. Of course slrn does just what I want -which is let me read news..
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John
Feb 18, 2015, 1:18:41 AM2/18/15
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I am using Unison 2.2 with OSX 10.10.2. No problems.
gtr
Feb 18, 2015, 2:05:20 AM2/18/15
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On 2015-02-18 06:18:36 +0000, John said:
> I am using Unison 2.2 with OSX 10.10.2. No problems.
Lucky you. Stick with it.
> I am using Unison 2.2 with OSX 10.10.2. No problems.
Bruce Esquibel
Feb 18, 2015, 7:47:21 AM2/18/15
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John Thornley <thor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
> I had been using Unison, version 2.2, but it became unusable on
> Yosemite for me. It would crash frequently and I was unable to load up
> some of the bigger groups I was subscribed to. I took advice and
> downgraded to 1.8.1 and it seems to be much better, although still
> freezes and crashes when loading groups.
I've used Unison for years and agree with your observation on how it handles
> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
> I had been using Unison, version 2.2, but it became unusable on
> Yosemite for me. It would crash frequently and I was unable to load up
> some of the bigger groups I was subscribed to. I took advice and
> downgraded to 1.8.1 and it seems to be much better, although still
> freezes and crashes when loading groups.
the binary groups, none of the others come close.
The thing with the freezes and crashes with "the bigger groups", look in the
directory where the databases are, which is usually something like:
/Users/you/Library/Application Support/com.panic.Unison2/name-of-the-server
and see if any of them are around 1GB or more. I don't know what internal
database engine Unison uses but it seems like after those files get past 1GB
(maybe even lower, like 750mb) it really slows down loading that group and
sometimes even fails to load the group at all.
Just delete the large ones. Next time you enter the group it'll just reload
the headers depending on the Preference settings, which I actually have
configured for 2,000,000 headers. On large groups like
alt.binaries.multimedia, usually the purge happens once every 7-10 days but
it really speeds up the load time to enter the group.
For what it's worth, I'm on Yosemite using 2.1.10 and it works fine besides
the large database files problem, but that has been there for years. I
haven't "upgraded" to the last release only because this one runs fine.
If you are talking about groups like alt.binaries.mom or boneless, I doubt
there are many newreaders that can open and keep the headers up-to-date,
those have billions of headers and even loading in 10,000,000 headers
is barely a days worth. It's better on those to use like binsearch.info or a
program called SpotLite (docs/download at):
https://www.binaries4all.com/spotlite/installation.php
which is bit of a bear because it's written in norwegian or something but
doesn't take much mucking around to figure it out. Both binsearch and
SpotLite end up giving you an nzb file, which if associated with Unison will
grab the download just by double clicking on it.
-bruce
b...@ripco.com
Doc O'Leary
Feb 18, 2015, 12:53:57 PM2/18/15
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For your reference, records indicate that
real problems is probably in how Unison manages it (e.g., it might not be
using transactions in certain places). It’s all moot at this point, though.
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Bruce Esquibel <b...@ripco.com> wrote:
> I don't know what internal
> database engine Unison uses but it seems like after those files get past 1GB
> (maybe even lower, like 750mb) it really slows down loading that group and
> sometimes even fails to load the group at all.
It uses SQLite, which should be fine for even a semi-large database. The
> I don't know what internal
> database engine Unison uses but it seems like after those files get past 1GB
> (maybe even lower, like 750mb) it really slows down loading that group and
> sometimes even fails to load the group at all.
real problems is probably in how Unison manages it (e.g., it might not be
using transactions in certain places). It’s all moot at this point, though.
--
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly
unfrostedpoptart
Feb 18, 2015, 2:12:20 PM2/18/15
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On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 1:21:26 PM UTC-8, John Thornley wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
For text, groups.google.com actually works pretty well.
> Hi folks,
>
> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
For binaries, I've tried many and couldn't stand any of the Mac programs so I stuck with newsleecher which can run fine under Crossover/Wine or Fusion/Parallels.
Jolly Roger
Feb 18, 2015, 2:16:36 PM2/18/15
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On 2015-02-18, unfrostedpoptart <da...@therogoffs.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 1:21:26 PM UTC-8, John Thornley wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
>
> For text, groups.google.com actually works pretty well.
Uh, no, no it does not. It formats posts horribly, and since Google
> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 1:21:26 PM UTC-8, John Thornley wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
>
> For text, groups.google.com actually works pretty well.
allows idiots and spammers to use it, many (including me) often
disregard posts from Google Groups.
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.
JR
ErikRS
Feb 18, 2015, 4:50:35 PM2/18/15
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heron stone wrote:
> Unison 2.1.10 works fine for me 10.10
machines - both Mac and windows. Both apps are identically setup on both
platforms.
Cheers, Erik Richard
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Ant
Feb 18, 2015, 7:43:46 PM2/18/15
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On 2/18/2015 11:16 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
>>
>> For text, groups.google.com actually works pretty well.
>
> Uh, no, no it does not. It formats posts horribly, and since Google
> allows idiots and spammers to use it, many (including me) often
> disregard posts from Google Groups.
Ditto.
>>> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
>>
>> For text, groups.google.com actually works pretty well.
>
> Uh, no, no it does not. It formats posts horribly, and since Google
> allows idiots and spammers to use it, many (including me) often
> disregard posts from Google Groups.
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John McWilliams
Feb 18, 2015, 10:05:25 PM2/18/15
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On 2/17/15 PDT 2:36 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2015.02.17 16:21 , John Thornley wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
>>
>> I had been using Unison, version 2.2, but it became unusable on Yosemite
>> for me. It would crash frequently and I was unable to load up some of
>> the bigger groups I was subscribed to. I took advice and downgraded to
>> 1.8.1 and it seems to be much better, although still freezes and crashes
>> when loading groups.
>>
>> I don't really know of any other usenet clients on that Mac that
>> actually let you browse newsgroups the way in which Unison does. I like
>> the idea of being able to browse binary groups with a client like Unison.
>
> Recent discussion:
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.mac.apps/wAyedtKxQ2U/qWci6c0mn9UJ
>
> Unison 1.8.1 is probably your best bet for binaries at present.
>
> I use Thunderbird.
>
Agree with AB on both points. Been using T-Bird for a long time.
> On 2015.02.17 16:21 , John Thornley wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
>>
>> I had been using Unison, version 2.2, but it became unusable on Yosemite
>> for me. It would crash frequently and I was unable to load up some of
>> the bigger groups I was subscribed to. I took advice and downgraded to
>> 1.8.1 and it seems to be much better, although still freezes and crashes
>> when loading groups.
>>
>> I don't really know of any other usenet clients on that Mac that
>> actually let you browse newsgroups the way in which Unison does. I like
>> the idea of being able to browse binary groups with a client like Unison.
>
> Recent discussion:
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.mac.apps/wAyedtKxQ2U/qWci6c0mn9UJ
>
> Unison 1.8.1 is probably your best bet for binaries at present.
>
> I use Thunderbird.
>
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Moi
Feb 19, 2015, 12:31:28 AM2/19/15
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> On 2/18/2015 11:16 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
>>>
>>> For text, groups.google.com actually works pretty well.
>>
>> Uh, no, no it does not. It formats posts horribly, and since Google
>> allows idiots and spammers to use it, many (including me) often
>> disregard posts from Google Groups.
>
> Ditto.
Tritto. (c:
>>>> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
>>>
>>> For text, groups.google.com actually works pretty well.
>>
>> Uh, no, no it does not. It formats posts horribly, and since Google
>> allows idiots and spammers to use it, many (including me) often
>> disregard posts from Google Groups.
>
> Ditto.
Google is good at some things. USENET isn't one of them.
Bob E.
Feb 19, 2015, 12:34:07 AM2/19/15
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> Hi folks,
>
> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
> ...
>
> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
> John
Hogwasher under Snow Leopard running on a secondary mini. No it won't run on
Lion or later but it's UI is great and the author swears he's got a new
version "soon".
tmo1138
Feb 19, 2015, 1:05:35 AM2/19/15
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erilar
Feb 19, 2015, 1:48:13 PM2/19/15
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I use MTNW with eternalseptember on my laptop and NewsTap with it on my
iPad. I don't have problems with "up"grades I refuse to install. Other
people do and do.
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iPad. I don't have problems with "up"grades I refuse to install. Other
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Otto Pylot
Feb 19, 2015, 10:45:04 PM2/19/15
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Király
Feb 21, 2015, 12:17:31 PM2/21/15
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tin 1.9.6, which runs in Terminal. Using Eternal September's server.
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Bruce Esquibel
Feb 22, 2015, 8:20:33 AM2/22/15
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Kir?ly <m...@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> tin 1.9.6, which runs in Terminal. Using Eternal September's server.
Wow, you are state of the art, I'm still using Tin 1.4.5.
> tin 1.9.6, which runs in Terminal. Using Eternal September's server.
Anyway I think the OP was dealing with binary groups, neither of which Tin
or Eternal September excels in.
-bruce
b...@ripco.com
Bill F
Feb 22, 2015, 5:57:10 PM2/22/15
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I tried Unison 2.2 on my 2012 MBA but it froze too often. I returned
back to Unison 2.1 which I had been using with no problems. If
anyone has any advice on how to make 2.2 more stable please post it
here.
back to Unison 2.1 which I had been using with no problems. If
anyone has any advice on how to make 2.2 more stable please post it
here.
Me
Feb 22, 2015, 6:06:28 PM2/22/15
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Leonard Oglesby
Feb 23, 2015, 12:48:51 AM2/23/15
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On 2015-02-23 05:20:39 +0000, Michael Vilain said:
> In article <54ea60c9$0$2970$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
> I dumped 2.2 after I tried it and couldn't download anything with it.
> It's find for reading, but I went back to 2.1.10 so I can download stuff.
I have been using 2.2 without issue, but I switch between that and
1.8.1 which I still prefer over 2.2, and which I use more. It seems to
me their development team had a rush of blood to the head when they
came up with Version 2 and all that followed to 2.2. Of the version 2
releases I find 2.2 to be the best of the that bunch.
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> In article <54ea60c9$0$2970$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
> It's find for reading, but I went back to 2.1.10 so I can download stuff.
I have been using 2.2 without issue, but I switch between that and
1.8.1 which I still prefer over 2.2, and which I use more. It seems to
me their development team had a rush of blood to the head when they
came up with Version 2 and all that followed to 2.2. Of the version 2
releases I find 2.2 to be the best of the that bunch.
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gtr
Feb 23, 2015, 2:48:42 AM2/23/15
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On 2015-02-22 23:07:00 +0000, TaliesinSoft said:
> On 2015-02-22 22:56:59 +0000, Bill F said:
>
> On 2015-02-22 22:56:59 +0000, Bill F said:
>
> any problems.
It sounds like everybody is happy.
Doc O'Leary
Feb 23, 2015, 10:46:34 AM2/23/15
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For your reference, records indicate that
convince the developer to bring it out of retirement and put an extra coat
of polish on it.
Alan Browne
Feb 23, 2015, 11:49:40 AM2/23/15
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For my part, Unison 2.2 does not DL multipart binaries correctly.
(10.10.2).
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bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
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Jamie Kahn Genet
Feb 23, 2015, 12:04:25 PM2/23/15
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tmo1138 <tmo...@tmo1138.com> wrote:
> On 2015-02-19, Bob E <bes...@invalid.tv> wrote:
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
> >> ...
> >> John
> >
> > Hogwasher under Snow Leopard running on a secondary mini. No it won't run on
> > Lion or later but it's UI is great and the author swears he's got a new
> > version "soon".
> >
>
> He's been saying hat for 6 YEARS... :P
Tell me about it. Hell, I flirted with Hogwasher as far back as 1999,
> On 2015-02-19, Bob E <bes...@invalid.tv> wrote:
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
> >> ...
> >> John
> >
> > Hogwasher under Snow Leopard running on a secondary mini. No it won't run on
> > Lion or later but it's UI is great and the author swears he's got a new
> > version "soon".
> >
>
> He's been saying hat for 6 YEARS... :P
and even then it was stuck in a buggy state without a recent update. I
realise to run in OSX it has been updated since, but the trouble is
bugfixes are years apart. MacSOUP may be a bit odd and lacking in modern
polish, but it's far better than Hogwasher for text groups. Always has
been IME. Stefan Hallar always gets on top of serious bugs, and hasn't
left me hanging in nearly two decades!
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Feb 23, 2015, 12:13:21 PM2/23/15
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Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2015-02-18, unfrostedpoptart <da...@therogoffs.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 1:21:26 PM UTC-8, John Thornley wrote:
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
> >
> > For text, groups.google.com actually works pretty well.
>
> Uh, no, no it does not. It formats posts horribly, and since Google
> allows idiots and spammers to use it, many (including me) often
> disregard posts from Google Groups.
Agreed, though I don't block GG users. But I've been mighty tempted over
> On 2015-02-18, unfrostedpoptart <da...@therogoffs.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 1:21:26 PM UTC-8, John Thornley wrote:
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
> >
> > For text, groups.google.com actually works pretty well.
>
> Uh, no, no it does not. It formats posts horribly, and since Google
> allows idiots and spammers to use it, many (including me) often
> disregard posts from Google Groups.
the years...
Jamie Kahn Genet
Feb 23, 2015, 12:13:21 PM2/23/15
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Király <m...@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> John Thornley <thor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
>
> tin 1.9.6, which runs in Terminal. Using Eternal September's server.
tin also gets my vote for a command line client. I don't know why, but I
> John Thornley <thor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
>
> tin 1.9.6, which runs in Terminal. Using Eternal September's server.
took to it when other CL clients never quite gelled for me. But then
again I'm not a big CL user - my unix-fu is very weak.
Jamie Kahn Genet
Feb 23, 2015, 12:13:22 PM2/23/15
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Doc O'Leary <drol...@2usenet2014.subsume.com> wrote:
> For your reference, records indicate that
> Bill F <an...@anonumost.org> wrote:
>
> > I tried Unison 2.2 on my 2012 MBA but it froze too often. I returned
> > back to Unison 2.1 which I had been using with no problems. If
> > anyone has any advice on how to make 2.2 more stable please post it
> > here.
>
> My advice: give Panic a boatload of money. Hell, even a modest $10K might
> convince the developer to bring it out of retirement and put an extra coat
> of polish on it.
Ehhh... I don't know that I'd pick Panic to make a decent modern OSX GUI
> For your reference, records indicate that
> Bill F <an...@anonumost.org> wrote:
>
> > I tried Unison 2.2 on my 2012 MBA but it froze too often. I returned
> > back to Unison 2.1 which I had been using with no problems. If
> > anyone has any advice on how to make 2.2 more stable please post it
> > here.
>
> My advice: give Panic a boatload of money. Hell, even a modest $10K might
> convince the developer to bring it out of retirement and put an extra coat
> of polish on it.
Usenet client. Unison always seemed like a half-baked experiment to me.
Maybe for $10K we would get a decent client (though for text I'd still
stick with MacSOUP). But a couple years down the road and you just know
Panic would have abandoned it again. What are we gonna do - pay 'em $10K
every few years? Heh.
Jolly Roger
Feb 23, 2015, 12:28:40 PM2/23/15
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On 2015-02-23, Jamie Kahn Genet <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-02-18, unfrostedpoptart <da...@therogoffs.com> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 1:21:26 PM UTC-8, John Thornley wrote:
>> >> Hi folks,
>> >>
>> >> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
>> >
>> > For text, groups.google.com actually works pretty well.
>>
>> Uh, no, no it does not. It formats posts horribly, and since Google
>> allows idiots and spammers to use it, many (including me) often
>> disregard posts from Google Groups.
>
> Agreed, though I don't block GG users. But I've been mighty tempted over
> the years...
I don't block them; but I do demote them.
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-02-18, unfrostedpoptart <da...@therogoffs.com> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 1:21:26 PM UTC-8, John Thornley wrote:
>> >> Hi folks,
>> >>
>> >> Just wondering what usenet client you guys are using?
>> >
>> > For text, groups.google.com actually works pretty well.
>>
>> Uh, no, no it does not. It formats posts horribly, and since Google
>> allows idiots and spammers to use it, many (including me) often
>> disregard posts from Google Groups.
>
> Agreed, though I don't block GG users. But I've been mighty tempted over
> the years...
Doc O'Leary
Feb 23, 2015, 10:26:35 PM2/23/15
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For your reference, records indicate that
jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> Ehhh... I don't know that I'd pick Panic to make a decent modern OSX GUI
> Usenet client. Unison always seemed like a half-baked experiment to me.
I’d agree, which is why I started writing Signal, but the topic at hand
> Ehhh... I don't know that I'd pick Panic to make a decent modern OSX GUI
> Usenet client. Unison always seemed like a half-baked experiment to me.
was to get an improved Unison experience. The only way to do that is to
bring it back from the dead, and (probably) the only way to do that would
be to make it worth someone’s while.
> Maybe for $10K we would get a decent client (though for text I'd still
> stick with MacSOUP).
to do binaries and other such things.
> But a couple years down the road and you just know
> Panic would have abandoned it again. What are we gonna do - pay 'em $10K
> every few years? Heh.
Jamie Kahn Genet
Feb 24, 2015, 4:03:29 AM2/24/15
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enough market to justify more than current development efforts and
developer remuneration. MacSOUP - for example - continues to be
maintained in bugfix mode (likewise a few others) for which I'm very
thankful (you're awesome Stefan!), and there are free open source GUI
and CL clients.
You seem to want a modern commercial Mac Usenet client without concern
for the reality of the market. I've said it before and I'll say it
again: you set yourself up for inevitable failure, and then couldn't
seem to handle it when the reality both hit home and was pointed out to
you.
android
Feb 24, 2015, 6:06:36 AM2/24/15
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In article <1m0dbel.u1zves608k7eN%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz>,
Text clients are quite sufficient since the binary usenet groups are
obsolete now. O'Leary seemed to have one up 'n running. To bad that he
did chose to not continue development by posting a time limitet public
beta so that he could get some user feedback.
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obsolete now. O'Leary seemed to have one up 'n running. To bad that he
did chose to not continue development by posting a time limitet public
beta so that he could get some user feedback.
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Doc O'Leary
Feb 24, 2015, 10:41:37 AM2/24/15
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For your reference, records indicate that
jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> Or one can simply accept that Mac Usenet clients do not have a large
> enough market to justify more than current development efforts and
> developer remuneration.
It’s not just Mac newsreaders. The entire market has stagnated, but let’s
jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> Or one can simply accept that Mac Usenet clients do not have a large
> enough market to justify more than current development efforts and
> developer remuneration.
not keep rehashing that topic.
> MacSOUP - for example - continues to be
> maintained in bugfix mode (likewise a few others) for which I'm very
> thankful (you're awesome Stefan!), and there are free open source GUI
> and CL clients.
do new things with Usenet.
> You seem to want a modern commercial Mac Usenet client without concern
> for the reality of the market.
why I put a (starting) price tag of $10K on fixes to Unison. Clearly
nobody here is willing to individually or collectively pay that price,
and so it is no surprise that development has stopped. The market has
spoken, welcome to the reality you have created, stop complaining about
it.
> I've said it before and I'll say it
> again: you set yourself up for inevitable failure, and then couldn't
> seem to handle it when the reality both hit home and was pointed out to
> you.
absolutely no relation to mine. My aim was to determine what the actual
market was for a Mac newsreader. It was a success, and it saved me many
hours of toiling away to produce something that too few would buy.
Doc O'Leary
Feb 24, 2015, 10:49:41 AM2/24/15
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For your reference, records indicate that
android <he...@there.was> wrote:
> To bad that he
> did chose to not continue development by posting a time limitet public
> beta so that he could get some user feedback.
I’ve got two decades of Usenet experience under my belt. I don’t need
> To bad that he
> did chose to not continue development by posting a time limitet public
> beta so that he could get some user feedback.
feedback to know what is needed/useful in a newsreader. And I wouldn’t
need feedback to know that what I have is *not* acceptable for day-to-day
use by non-technical people. I’m an experienced software professional;
I know these things.
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gtr
Feb 24, 2015, 11:29:35 AM2/24/15
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On 2015-02-24 15:48:58 +0000, Doc O'Leary said:
> For your reference, records indicate that
> android <he...@there.was> wrote:
>
>> To bad that he
>> did chose to not continue development by posting a time limitet public
>> beta so that he could get some user feedback.
>
> I’ve got two decades of Usenet experience under my belt. I don’t need
> feedback to know what is needed/useful in a newsreader. And I wouldn’t
> need feedback to know that what I have is *not* acceptable for day-to-day
> use by non-technical people. I’m an experienced software professional;
> I know these things.
Many of us are, I suppose that's why we can live with the in's and
> For your reference, records indicate that
> android <he...@there.was> wrote:
>
>> To bad that he
>> did chose to not continue development by posting a time limitet public
>> beta so that he could get some user feedback.
>
> I’ve got two decades of Usenet experience under my belt. I don’t need
> feedback to know what is needed/useful in a newsreader. And I wouldn’t
> need feedback to know that what I have is *not* acceptable for day-to-day
> use by non-technical people. I’m an experienced software professional;
> I know these things.
out's of the software, the participants and the way it all works, and
doesn't work.
android
Feb 24, 2015, 12:08:49 PM2/24/15
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In article <mci6ha$1vo$2...@dont-email.me>,
from the people that's supposed to pay for it? Oki...
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> For your reference, records indicate that
> android <he...@there.was> wrote:
>
> > To bad that he
> > did chose to not continue development by posting a time limitet public
> > beta so that he could get some user feedback.
>
> I’ve got two decades of Usenet experience under my belt. I don’t need
> feedback to know what is needed/useful in a newsreader. And I wouldn’t
> need feedback to know that what I have is *not* acceptable for day-to-day
> use by non-technical people. I’m an experienced software professional;
> I know these things.
You do not need feedback on software that has yet to meet the market
> android <he...@there.was> wrote:
>
> > To bad that he
> > did chose to not continue development by posting a time limitet public
> > beta so that he could get some user feedback.
>
> I’ve got two decades of Usenet experience under my belt. I don’t need
> feedback to know what is needed/useful in a newsreader. And I wouldn’t
> need feedback to know that what I have is *not* acceptable for day-to-day
> use by non-technical people. I’m an experienced software professional;
> I know these things.
from the people that's supposed to pay for it? Oki...
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Jamie Kahn Genet
Feb 24, 2015, 5:58:49 PM2/24/15
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> For your reference, records indicate that
> android <he...@there.was> wrote:
>
> > To bad that he
> > did chose to not continue development by posting a time limitet public
> > beta so that he could get some user feedback.
>
> I've got two decades of Usenet experience under my belt. I don't need
> feedback to know what is needed/useful in a newsreader. And I wouldn't
> need feedback to know that what I have is *not* acceptable for day-to-day
> use by non-technical people. I'm an experienced software professional;
> I know these things.
You didn't know anything about MacSOUP or such offline client design.
> android <he...@there.was> wrote:
>
> > To bad that he
> > did chose to not continue development by posting a time limitet public
> > beta so that he could get some user feedback.
>
> I've got two decades of Usenet experience under my belt. I don't need
> feedback to know what is needed/useful in a newsreader. And I wouldn't
> need feedback to know that what I have is *not* acceptable for day-to-day
> use by non-technical people. I'm an experienced software professional;
> I know these things.
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android
Feb 25, 2015, 5:41:50 AM2/25/15
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In article <cl5llv...@mid.individual.net>,
Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> xpn from Macports runs just fine on Mavericks under the Quartz X11 server. I
> just installed and tried it.
>
> It's written in Python, so I imagine easy enough to tinker with if you want
> more features.
Thanks! Gonna try... I've Pan installed via Macports as a fallback:
sudo port install -v pan2
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Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> xpn from Macports runs just fine on Mavericks under the Quartz X11 server. I
> just installed and tried it.
>
> It's written in Python, so I imagine easy enough to tinker with if you want
> more features.
Thanks! Gonna try... I've Pan installed via Macports as a fallback:
sudo port install -v pan2
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android
Feb 25, 2015, 6:01:06 AM2/25/15
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Alan Browne
Feb 25, 2015, 7:40:53 AM2/25/15
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On 2015.02.24 04:03 , Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> You seem to want a modern commercial Mac Usenet client without concern
> for the reality of the market. I've said it before and I'll say it
> again: you set yourself up for inevitable failure, and then couldn't
> seem to handle it when the reality both hit home and was pointed out to
> you.
!
> You seem to want a modern commercial Mac Usenet client without concern
> for the reality of the market. I've said it before and I'll say it
> again: you set yourself up for inevitable failure, and then couldn't
> seem to handle it when the reality both hit home and was pointed out to
> you.
Jamie Kahn Genet
Feb 25, 2015, 9:19:49 AM2/25/15
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android <he...@there.was> wrote:
> In article <cl5llv...@mid.individual.net>,
> Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
> > xpn from Macports runs just fine on Mavericks under the Quartz X11 server. I
> > just installed and tried it.
> >
> > It's written in Python, so I imagine easy enough to tinker with if you want
> > more features.
>
> Thanks! Gonna try... I've Pan installed via Macports as a fallback:
> sudo port -v install pan2
Pan seemed ok when I last tried it years ago. No reason to switch from
> In article <cl5llv...@mid.individual.net>,
> Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
> > xpn from Macports runs just fine on Mavericks under the Quartz X11 server. I
> > just installed and tried it.
> >
> > It's written in Python, so I imagine easy enough to tinker with if you want
> > more features.
>
> Thanks! Gonna try... I've Pan installed via Macports as a fallback:
> sudo port -v install pan2
MacSOUP, but nice to have when I was bumming around in *nix OSes, and to
know I'd have as a fallback option for OSX. Though I reckon if Stefan
ever ended support for MacSOUP and bugginess resulted, I'd probably
first switch to command line tin, just because I'm familiar with it and
enjoy it's design.
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Doc O'Leary
Feb 25, 2015, 11:05:24 AM2/25/15
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For your reference, records indicate that
> You didn't know anything about MacSOUP or such offline client design.
I’m not sure where you’re going with this. I know enough about MacSOUP
that I’m not using it. I know enough about “offline” needs to implement
them *properly*. My work in that regard is moot, though, and if you’re
happy with MacSOUP, keep on using it for as long as it keeps working.
Problem solved.
Doc O'Leary
Feb 25, 2015, 11:09:49 AM2/25/15
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For your reference, records indicate that
android <he...@there.was> wrote:
> You do not need feedback on software that has yet to meet the market
> from the people that's supposed to pay for it? Oki...
Yes. *I* am already the market for said software. Unlike seemingly
android <he...@there.was> wrote:
> You do not need feedback on software that has yet to meet the market
> from the people that's supposed to pay for it? Oki...
every other newsreader developer, I’m actually *still here* on Usenet.
android
Feb 25, 2015, 11:27:41 AM2/25/15
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In article <mcks31$m57$2...@dont-email.me>,
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> For your reference, records indicate that
> android <he...@there.was> wrote:
>
> > You do not need feedback on software that has yet to meet the market
> > from the people that's supposed to pay for it? Oki...
>
> Yes. *I* am already the market for said software. Unlike seemingly
> every other newsreader developer, I’m actually *still here* on Usenet.
So you're Usenet junkie... ;-/
> android <he...@there.was> wrote:
>
> > You do not need feedback on software that has yet to meet the market
> > from the people that's supposed to pay for it? Oki...
>
> Yes. *I* am already the market for said software. Unlike seemingly
> every other newsreader developer, I’m actually *still here* on Usenet.
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Jolly Roger
Feb 25, 2015, 12:34:46 PM2/25/15
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On 2015-02-25, Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> FWIW, I use slrn in a Terminal window, because that's what I use on my
> main desktop Linux machine and it means I can share config & Score files.
I use slrn as well, and love it. : )
> main desktop Linux machine and it means I can share config & Score files.
I use slrn as well, and love it. : )
Jamie Kahn Genet
Feb 25, 2015, 2:55:29 PM2/25/15
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Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2015-02-25, Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> > On 2015-02-25, Jamie Kahn Genet <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> >> android <he...@there.was> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <cl5llv...@mid.individual.net>,
> >>> Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > xpn from Macports runs just fine on Mavericks under the Quartz X11
> >>> > server. I just installed and tried it.
> >>> >
> >>> > It's written in Python, so I imagine easy enough to tinker with if
> >>> > you want more features.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks! Gonna try... I've Pan installed via Macports as a fallback:
> >>> sudo port -v install pan2
> >>
> >> Pan seemed ok when I last tried it years ago. No reason to switch from
> >> MacSOUP, but nice to have when I was bumming around in *nix OSes, and to
> >> know I'd have as a fallback option for OSX. Though I reckon if Stefan
> >> ever ended support for MacSOUP and bugginess resulted, I'd probably
> >> first switch to command line tin, just because I'm familiar with it and
> >> enjoy it's design.
> >
> > FWIW, I use slrn in a Terminal window, because that's what I use on my
> > main desktop Linux machine and it means I can share config & Score files.
>
> I use slrn as well, and love it. : )
Before I got an iOS device and bought NewsTap I used to like a command
> On 2015-02-25, Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> > On 2015-02-25, Jamie Kahn Genet <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> >> android <he...@there.was> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <cl5llv...@mid.individual.net>,
> >>> Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > xpn from Macports runs just fine on Mavericks under the Quartz X11
> >>> > server. I just installed and tried it.
> >>> >
> >>> > It's written in Python, so I imagine easy enough to tinker with if
> >>> > you want more features.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks! Gonna try... I've Pan installed via Macports as a fallback:
> >>> sudo port -v install pan2
> >>
> >> Pan seemed ok when I last tried it years ago. No reason to switch from
> >> MacSOUP, but nice to have when I was bumming around in *nix OSes, and to
> >> know I'd have as a fallback option for OSX. Though I reckon if Stefan
> >> ever ended support for MacSOUP and bugginess resulted, I'd probably
> >> first switch to command line tin, just because I'm familiar with it and
> >> enjoy it's design.
> >
> > FWIW, I use slrn in a Terminal window, because that's what I use on my
> > main desktop Linux machine and it means I can share config & Score files.
>
> I use slrn as well, and love it. : )
line client like tin, because I could easily connect to my home Mac from
elsewhere and run tin over SSH, with all my preferences. NewsTap may be
a bit lacking, but since getting it I've not felt the need to 'phone
home'. Besides, with no syncing between MacSOUP and tin or NewsTap, it's
not like I save myself any trouble. That would be one reason to switch
completely to tin - I could run it via SSH with all my prefs, history,
and saved messages back home, from a terminal app on an iOS device or
desktop computer.
Still, for now I enjoy MacSOUP too much, and I don't travel enough to
make that worth my while.
I realise of course, I can VPN back home and use graphical clients on my
home Mac. But since I'm usually just on someone else's computer, or a
small screen iOS device, I find that is rarely a suitable option. Plus
internet here outside cities can still be really crappy.
Jolly Roger
Feb 25, 2015, 4:17:03 PM2/25/15
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On 2015-02-25, Jamie Kahn Genet <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> I use slrn as well, and love it. : )
>
> Before I got an iOS device and bought NewsTap I used to like a command
> line client like tin, because I could easily connect to my home Mac from
> elsewhere and run tin over SSH, with all my preferences. NewsTap may be
> a bit lacking, but since getting it I've not felt the need to 'phone
> home'. Besides, with no syncing between MacSOUP and tin or NewsTap, it's
> not like I save myself any trouble. That would be one reason to switch
> completely to tin - I could run it via SSH with all my prefs, history,
> and saved messages back home, from a terminal app on an iOS device or
> desktop computer.
That's exactly why I prefer slrn. I used to use MT-NewsWatcher's "Shared
>
>> I use slrn as well, and love it. : )
>
> Before I got an iOS device and bought NewsTap I used to like a command
> line client like tin, because I could easily connect to my home Mac from
> elsewhere and run tin over SSH, with all my preferences. NewsTap may be
> a bit lacking, but since getting it I've not felt the need to 'phone
> home'. Besides, with no syncing between MacSOUP and tin or NewsTap, it's
> not like I save myself any trouble. That would be one reason to switch
> completely to tin - I could run it via SSH with all my prefs, history,
> and saved messages back home, from a terminal app on an iOS device or
> desktop computer.
newsrc" feature to share my newsrc file via FTP, which allowed me to run
MT-NW on any machine on my LAN, or even outside of my LAN, to read news
with all read counts and so on synchronized. Now that I can't use MT-NW,
I use slrn, which only requires an SSH connection in a terminal window,
which I am very comfortable with and usually have open anyway. As a
bonus, all of my score settings and editor settings are also now shared
among any machine I use to access slrn. I can even use a WYSIWYG editor
like TextWrangler to write posts if I like, complete with automatic
correction, spell checking, and so on (though I prefer vim). It
certainly ain't for everyone, but for someone like me who is at home on
the command line, it's great. : )
John Albert
Feb 25, 2015, 11:01:48 PM2/25/15
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I use Thunderbird for reading and posting to the text-based
groups, like this one.
For binary groups, I use Unison (and had problems with
version 2.2, so I went back to 1.8). Barring any new
software developments, I'll continue to use Unison until it
will no longer run.
Having said that, I'm still back on 10.8.5 as my "main OS"
on this late-2012 Mini, with no plans to upgrade further at
this time.
(Aside: I -do- experiment with Yosemite as well, but have
decided not to commit to it yet...)
groups, like this one.
For binary groups, I use Unison (and had problems with
version 2.2, so I went back to 1.8). Barring any new
software developments, I'll continue to use Unison until it
will no longer run.
Having said that, I'm still back on 10.8.5 as my "main OS"
on this late-2012 Mini, with no plans to upgrade further at
this time.
(Aside: I -do- experiment with Yosemite as well, but have
decided not to commit to it yet...)
sctvguy1
Feb 26, 2015, 12:13:18 AM2/26/15
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 22:03:24 +1300, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
>
> Or one can simply accept that Mac Usenet clients do not have a large
> enough market to justify more than current development efforts and
> developer remuneration. MacSOUP - for example - continues to be
> maintained in bugfix mode (likewise a few others) for which I'm very
> thankful (you're awesome Stefan!), and there are free open source GUI
> and CL clients.
>
> You seem to want a modern commercial Mac Usenet client without concern
> for the reality of the market. I've said it before and I'll say it
> again: you set yourself up for inevitable failure, and then couldn't
> seem to handle it when the reality both hit home and was pointed out to
> you.
Can't Linux NNTP clients work on OSX? I use Pan and I know of others.
>
> Or one can simply accept that Mac Usenet clients do not have a large
> enough market to justify more than current development efforts and
> developer remuneration. MacSOUP - for example - continues to be
> maintained in bugfix mode (likewise a few others) for which I'm very
> thankful (you're awesome Stefan!), and there are free open source GUI
> and CL clients.
>
> You seem to want a modern commercial Mac Usenet client without concern
> for the reality of the market. I've said it before and I'll say it
> again: you set yourself up for inevitable failure, and then couldn't
> seem to handle it when the reality both hit home and was pointed out to
> you.
android
Feb 26, 2015, 2:39:27 AM2/26/15
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sctvguy1 <sctv...@invalid.net> Wrote in message:
You have to get them to compile. Pan, slrn and tin can be
installed via Macports. That's not for everybody but Thunderbird
is a free alternative to Unison.
--
Bats can't tell us apart!
----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
installed via Macports. That's not for everybody but Thunderbird
is a free alternative to Unison.
--
Bats can't tell us apart!
----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
Warren Oates
Feb 26, 2015, 8:41:03 AM2/26/15
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In article <cl80td...@mid.individual.net>, android <he...@there.was>
wrote:
> You have to get them to compile. Pan, slrn and tin can be
> installed via Macports. That's not for everybody but Thunderbird
> is a free alternative to Unison.
slrn will compile quickly and cleanly on Yosemite, BUT you will need to
compile and install s-lang first (with the out-of-the-cloud OS X
developer tools, you don't need MacBrewfinks for this).
http://www.jedsoft.org/slang/
http://slrn.sourceforge.net/
You can get a pretty good news setup with slrn, full-screen terminal.
I haven't tried tin for years, and it's not maintained on a regular
basis. I used Gnus for a while, and there's a pretty stable OS X binary
of emacs available.
FWIW, you should probably build gettext and glib. I've never understood
gettext. I don't need the Serbo-kanji alphabet.
--
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing room scene.
-- notes for Blade Runner
wrote:
> You have to get them to compile. Pan, slrn and tin can be
> installed via Macports. That's not for everybody but Thunderbird
> is a free alternative to Unison.
compile and install s-lang first (with the out-of-the-cloud OS X
developer tools, you don't need MacBrewfinks for this).
http://www.jedsoft.org/slang/
http://slrn.sourceforge.net/
You can get a pretty good news setup with slrn, full-screen terminal.
I haven't tried tin for years, and it's not maintained on a regular
basis. I used Gnus for a while, and there's a pretty stable OS X binary
of emacs available.
FWIW, you should probably build gettext and glib. I've never understood
gettext. I don't need the Serbo-kanji alphabet.
--
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing room scene.
-- notes for Blade Runner
Jolly Roger
Feb 26, 2015, 9:04:04 AM2/26/15
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is Unix.
Jolly Roger
Feb 26, 2015, 9:05:01 AM2/26/15
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On 2015-02-26, android <he...@there.was> wrote:
> sctvguy1 <sctv...@invalid.net> Wrote in message:
>>
> sctvguy1 <sctv...@invalid.net> Wrote in message:
>>
>> Can't Linux NNTP clients work on OSX? I use Pan and I know of others.
>>
> You have to get them to compile.
They compile just fine. Have you even tried?
>>
> You have to get them to compile.
> Pan, slrn and tin can be installed via Macports.
Jolly Roger
Feb 26, 2015, 9:06:28 AM2/26/15
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On 2015-02-26, Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <cl80td...@mid.individual.net>, android <he...@there.was>
> wrote:
>
>> You have to get them to compile. Pan, slrn and tin can be
>> installed via Macports. That's not for everybody but Thunderbird
>> is a free alternative to Unison.
>
> slrn will compile quickly and cleanly on Yosemite, BUT you will need to
> compile and install s-lang first
Same as you would on any other platform, yes.
> In article <cl80td...@mid.individual.net>, android <he...@there.was>
> wrote:
>
>> You have to get them to compile. Pan, slrn and tin can be
>> installed via Macports. That's not for everybody but Thunderbird
>> is a free alternative to Unison.
>
> slrn will compile quickly and cleanly on Yosemite, BUT you will need to
> compile and install s-lang first
> (with the out-of-the-cloud OS X
> developer tools, you don't need MacBrewfinks for this).
>
> http://www.jedsoft.org/slang/
> http://slrn.sourceforge.net/
>
> You can get a pretty good news setup with slrn, full-screen terminal.
android
Feb 26, 2015, 9:09:20 AM2/26/15
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In article <54ef226b$0$46561$c3e8da3$9b4f...@news.astraweb.com>,
It compiles the ports locally like Gentoo Linux, I think... Not packages
like Debian or Red Hat Linux.
--
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Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <cl80td...@mid.individual.net>, android <he...@there.was>
> wrote:
>
> > You have to get them to compile. Pan, slrn and tin can be
> > installed via Macports. That's not for everybody but Thunderbird
> > is a free alternative to Unison.
>
> slrn will compile quickly and cleanly on Yosemite, BUT you will need to
> compile and install s-lang first (with the out-of-the-cloud OS X
> developer tools, you don't need MacBrewfinks for this).
>
> http://www.jedsoft.org/slang/
> http://slrn.sourceforge.net/
>
> You can get a pretty good news setup with slrn, full-screen terminal.
>
> I haven't tried tin for years, and it's not maintained on a regular
> basis. I used Gnus for a while, and there's a pretty stable OS X binary
> of emacs available.
>
> FWIW, you should probably build gettext and glib. I've never understood
> gettext. I don't need the Serbo-kanji alphabet.
Macports build all the dependencies for the user before the port itself.
> In article <cl80td...@mid.individual.net>, android <he...@there.was>
> wrote:
>
> > You have to get them to compile. Pan, slrn and tin can be
> > installed via Macports. That's not for everybody but Thunderbird
> > is a free alternative to Unison.
>
> slrn will compile quickly and cleanly on Yosemite, BUT you will need to
> compile and install s-lang first (with the out-of-the-cloud OS X
> developer tools, you don't need MacBrewfinks for this).
>
> http://www.jedsoft.org/slang/
> http://slrn.sourceforge.net/
>
> You can get a pretty good news setup with slrn, full-screen terminal.
>
> I haven't tried tin for years, and it's not maintained on a regular
> basis. I used Gnus for a while, and there's a pretty stable OS X binary
> of emacs available.
>
> FWIW, you should probably build gettext and glib. I've never understood
> gettext. I don't need the Serbo-kanji alphabet.
It compiles the ports locally like Gentoo Linux, I think... Not packages
like Debian or Red Hat Linux.
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android
Feb 26, 2015, 9:19:06 AM2/26/15
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In article <54ef226b$0$46561$c3e8da3$9b4f...@news.astraweb.com>,
Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> wrote:
Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <cl80td...@mid.individual.net>, android <he...@there.was>
> wrote:
>
> > You have to get them to compile. Pan, slrn and tin can be
> > installed via Macports. That's not for everybody but Thunderbird
> > is a free alternative to Unison.
>
> slrn will compile quickly and cleanly on Yosemite, BUT you will need to
> compile and install s-lang first (with the out-of-the-cloud OS X
> developer tools, you don't need MacBrewfinks for this).
>
> http://www.jedsoft.org/slang/
> http://slrn.sourceforge.net/
>
> You can get a pretty good news setup with slrn, full-screen terminal.
>
> I haven't tried tin for years, and it's not maintained on a regular
> basis. I used Gnus for a while, and there's a pretty stable OS X binary
> of emacs available.
>
> FWIW, you should probably build gettext and glib. I've never understood
> gettext. I don't need the Serbo-kanji alphabet.
> wrote:
>
> > You have to get them to compile. Pan, slrn and tin can be
> > installed via Macports. That's not for everybody but Thunderbird
> > is a free alternative to Unison.
>
> slrn will compile quickly and cleanly on Yosemite, BUT you will need to
> compile and install s-lang first (with the out-of-the-cloud OS X
> developer tools, you don't need MacBrewfinks for this).
>
> http://www.jedsoft.org/slang/
> http://slrn.sourceforge.net/
>
> You can get a pretty good news setup with slrn, full-screen terminal.
>
> I haven't tried tin for years, and it's not maintained on a regular
> basis. I used Gnus for a while, and there's a pretty stable OS X binary
> of emacs available.
>
> FWIW, you should probably build gettext and glib. I've never understood
> gettext. I don't need the Serbo-kanji alphabet.
Macports build all the dependencies for the user before the port itself.
It compiles the ports locally like Gentoo Linux, I think... It's not
downloading precompiled packages like Debian or Red Hat Linux.
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Warren Oates
Feb 26, 2015, 10:23:01 AM2/26/15
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In article <cl8nj0...@mid.individual.net>,
Well, yes, but (aside from bloated co-systems like MacFartbrewports) OS
X doesn't have a "package manager" that will download (and build
possibly, depending on the distribution) the dependencies for you. So
one pretty much has to run the configure script and see what it says
about what you don't have.
Gnu software is a bit stupid, even though it works and you need it. You
want to build pkg-config, but it needs glib. So you want to build glib,
and it says it can't find gettext. So you try to build gettext and it
says it can't find glib. Like that. (Gettext has a built-in glib you can
use to "bootstrap" the thing but it's not obvious without poring over
the options).
Well, yes, but (aside from bloated co-systems like MacFartbrewports) OS
X doesn't have a "package manager" that will download (and build
possibly, depending on the distribution) the dependencies for you. So
one pretty much has to run the configure script and see what it says
about what you don't have.
Gnu software is a bit stupid, even though it works and you need it. You
want to build pkg-config, but it needs glib. So you want to build glib,
and it says it can't find gettext. So you try to build gettext and it
says it can't find glib. Like that. (Gettext has a built-in glib you can
use to "bootstrap" the thing but it's not obvious without poring over
the options).
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Jolly Roger
Feb 26, 2015, 10:32:31 AM2/26/15
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On 2015-02-26, Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <cl8nj0...@mid.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Same as you would on any other platform, yes.
>
> Well, yes, but (aside from bloated co-systems like MacFartbrewports) OS
> X doesn't have a "package manager" that will download (and build
> possibly, depending on the distribution) the dependencies for you. So
> one pretty much has to run the configure script and see what it says
> about what you don't have.
Yes, and slang is the only dependency you need to worry about for slrn.
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Same as you would on any other platform, yes.
>
> Well, yes, but (aside from bloated co-systems like MacFartbrewports) OS
> X doesn't have a "package manager" that will download (and build
> possibly, depending on the distribution) the dependencies for you. So
> one pretty much has to run the configure script and see what it says
> about what you don't have.
You configure, make and install two packages: slang, then slrn, and you
are done.
> Gnu software is a bit stupid, even though it works and you need it. You
> want to build pkg-config, but it needs glib. So you want to build glib,
> and it says it can't find gettext. So you try to build gettext and it
> says it can't find glib. Like that. (Gettext has a built-in glib you can
> use to "bootstrap" the thing but it's not obvious without poring over
> the options).
Doc O'Leary
Feb 26, 2015, 10:33:08 AM2/26/15
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For your reference, records indicate that
sctvguy1 <sctv...@invalid.net> wrote:
> Can't Linux NNTP clients work on OSX? I use Pan and I know of others.
As others have said, most Terminal-based newsreaders can be run on a Mac
> Can't Linux NNTP clients work on OSX? I use Pan and I know of others.
(yay, Unix!) and many graphical widget sets have their own Mac ports. In
general, though, I would recommend just using Linux (via a VM like
VirtualBox) if you want to run software that is primarily designed to
run on Linux.
Jolly Roger
Feb 26, 2015, 10:39:45 AM2/26/15
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On 2015-02-26, Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> was all, like:
>
> [snip]
>
> Quick unrelated question, is it possible to get the command-line
> developer tools installed and working properly WITHOUT installing the
> many GB of XCode? I don't care on my main system, but on my laptop Xcode
> represents 10% of my SSD.
So go to https://developer.apple.com/downloads/ and download the
appropriate version of "Command Line Tools" for your system, and install
it.
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> was all, like:
>
> [snip]
>
> Quick unrelated question, is it possible to get the command-line
> developer tools installed and working properly WITHOUT installing the
> many GB of XCode? I don't care on my main system, but on my laptop Xcode
> represents 10% of my SSD.
So go to https://developer.apple.com/downloads/ and download the
appropriate version of "Command Line Tools" for your system, and install
it.
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Warren Oates
Feb 26, 2015, 1:19:59 PM2/26/15
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In article <mcnea7$2uq$1...@dont-email.me>,
build and maintain (e.g.) and unless you have some other need for
bloating out a Linux VM system, there's no need not to run it under OS X.
How do you feel about rsync?
> For your reference, records indicate that
> sctvguy1 <sctv...@invalid.net> wrote:
>
> > Can't Linux NNTP clients work on OSX? I use Pan and I know of others.
>
> As others have said, most Terminal-based newsreaders can be run on a Mac
> (yay, Unix!) and many graphical widget sets have their own Mac ports. In
> general, though, I would recommend just using Linux (via a VM like
> VirtualBox) if you want to run software that is primarily designed to
> run on Linux.
Yeah yeah. We go through this every time. Slrn is extremely easy to
> sctvguy1 <sctv...@invalid.net> wrote:
>
> > Can't Linux NNTP clients work on OSX? I use Pan and I know of others.
>
> As others have said, most Terminal-based newsreaders can be run on a Mac
> (yay, Unix!) and many graphical widget sets have their own Mac ports. In
> general, though, I would recommend just using Linux (via a VM like
> VirtualBox) if you want to run software that is primarily designed to
> run on Linux.
build and maintain (e.g.) and unless you have some other need for
bloating out a Linux VM system, there's no need not to run it under OS X.
How do you feel about rsync?
Warren Oates
Feb 26, 2015, 1:20:40 PM2/26/15
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In article <cl8ska...@mid.individual.net>,
No, but slrn _will_ look for gettext and use it if it finds it.
No, but slrn _will_ look for gettext and use it if it finds it.
Warren Oates
Feb 26, 2015, 1:21:16 PM2/26/15
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In article <slrnmeum3q....@kreme.eternal-september.org>,
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> I think you need pcre, libiconv, and ... that might be all. Of course,
> you probably already have those.
Yeah, those were all happily found in the base system.
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> I think you need pcre, libiconv, and ... that might be all. Of course,
> you probably already have those.
Yeah, those were all happily found in the base system.
Jolly Roger
Feb 26, 2015, 1:32:35 PM2/26/15
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On 2015-02-26, Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> was all, like:
>> On 2015-02-26, Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> was all, like:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Quick unrelated question, is it possible to get the command-line
>>> developer tools installed and working properly WITHOUT installing the
>>> many GB of XCode? I don't care on my main system, but on my laptop Xcode
>>> represents 10% of my SSD.
>
>> So go to https://developer.apple.com/downloads/ and download the
>> appropriate version of "Command Line Tools" for your system, and install
>> it.
>
> It seems the last time I tried this, it did not work. Perhaps that was
>>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> was all, like:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Quick unrelated question, is it possible to get the command-line
>>> developer tools installed and working properly WITHOUT installing the
>>> many GB of XCode? I don't care on my main system, but on my laptop Xcode
>>> represents 10% of my SSD.
>
>> So go to https://developer.apple.com/downloads/ and download the
>> appropriate version of "Command Line Tools" for your system, and install
>> it.
>
> only Macports that failed to work though.
MacPort shouldn't have anything to do with it. If MacPorts is causing a
malfunction, that's up to you to debug.
Jolly Roger
Feb 26, 2015, 1:45:33 PM2/26/15
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On 2015-02-26, Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> was all, like:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> was all, like:
>> On 2015-02-26, Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> In article <cl8nj0...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Same as you would on any other platform, yes.
>>>
>>> Well, yes, but (aside from bloated co-systems like MacFartbrewports) OS
>>> X doesn't have a "package manager" that will download (and build
>>> possibly, depending on the distribution) the dependencies for you. So
>>> one pretty much has to run the configure script and see what it says
>>> about what you don't have.
>
>> Yes, and slang is the only dependency you need to worry about for slrn.
>> You configure, make and install two packages: slang, then slrn, and you
>> are done.
>
>>> In article <cl8nj0...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Same as you would on any other platform, yes.
>>>
>>> Well, yes, but (aside from bloated co-systems like MacFartbrewports) OS
>>> X doesn't have a "package manager" that will download (and build
>>> possibly, depending on the distribution) the dependencies for you. So
>>> one pretty much has to run the configure script and see what it says
>>> about what you don't have.
>
>> Yes, and slang is the only dependency you need to worry about for slrn.
>> You configure, make and install two packages: slang, then slrn, and you
>> are done.
>
> I think you need pcre, libiconv, and ... that might be all. Of course,
> you probably already have those.
*sigh* I'm talking about packages that are not available on the base
> you probably already have those.
system install. Sheesh.
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Jolly Roger
Feb 26, 2015, 6:48:54 PM2/26/15
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On 2015-02-26, Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> was all, like:
>> On 2015-02-26, Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> was all, like:
>>>> On 2015-02-26, Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> was all, like:
>>>>>
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> Quick unrelated question, is it possible to get the command-line
>>>>> developer tools installed and working properly WITHOUT installing the
>>>>> many GB of XCode? I don't care on my main system, but on my laptop Xcode
>>>>> represents 10% of my SSD.
>>>
>>>> So go to https://developer.apple.com/downloads/ and download the
>>>> appropriate version of "Command Line Tools" for your system, and install
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> It seems the last time I tried this, it did not work. Perhaps that was
>>> only Macports that failed to work though.
>
>> MacPort shouldn't have anything to do with it. If MacPorts is causing a
>> malfunction, that's up to you to debug.
>
><https://www.macports.org/install.php>
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> was all, like:
>> On 2015-02-26, Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> was all, like:
>>>> On 2015-02-26, Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>>> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> was all, like:
>>>>>
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> Quick unrelated question, is it possible to get the command-line
>>>>> developer tools installed and working properly WITHOUT installing the
>>>>> many GB of XCode? I don't care on my main system, but on my laptop Xcode
>>>>> represents 10% of my SSD.
>>>
>>>> So go to https://developer.apple.com/downloads/ and download the
>>>> appropriate version of "Command Line Tools" for your system, and install
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> It seems the last time I tried this, it did not work. Perhaps that was
>>> only Macports that failed to work though.
>
>> MacPort shouldn't have anything to do with it. If MacPorts is causing a
>> malfunction, that's up to you to debug.
>
> Please note that in order to install and run MacPorts on Mac OS X, your
> system must have installations of the following components:
>
[snip]
>
> If you try to use Macports without Xcode, it fails:
>
> No valid Xcode installation is properly selected.
> Please use xcode-select to select an Xcode installation:
To summarize: You asked how to instal Xcode command-line tools without
installing Xcode applications. Then you said the last time you tried it,
it did not work, and that perhaps it was MacPorts failed. Then I replied
that MacPorts has *nothing* to do with installing Xcode tools.
Doc O'Leary
Feb 26, 2015, 10:16:10 PM2/26/15
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For your reference, records indicate that
Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> wrote:
> unless you have some other need for
> bloating out a Linux VM system, there's no need not to run it under OS X.
But that’s the thing. There is a *lot* of great Linux software other than
> unless you have some other need for
> bloating out a Linux VM system, there's no need not to run it under OS X.
just newsreaders, much of it being *tons* harder to get working on a Mac
but trivially easy using a distribution’s package manager.
> How do you feel about rsync?
files to my Linux VM. :-)
tmo1138
Feb 26, 2015, 10:39:49 PM2/26/15
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On 2015-02-25, Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> xpn from Macports runs just fine on Mavericks under the Quartz X11 server. I
> just installed and tried it.
>
> It's written in Python, so I imagine easy enough to tinker with if you want
> more features.
>
I use Homebrew, so it makes mixing with Macports kind of a pain in the arse.
I'll keep that in mind tho.
--
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what they are.
-- Somerset Maugham
> xpn from Macports runs just fine on Mavericks under the Quartz X11 server. I
> just installed and tried it.
>
> It's written in Python, so I imagine easy enough to tinker with if you want
> more features.
>
I use Homebrew, so it makes mixing with Macports kind of a pain in the arse.
I'll keep that in mind tho.
--
There are three rules for writing a novel. Unfortunately, no one knows
what they are.
-- Somerset Maugham
tmo1138
Feb 27, 2015, 12:11:02 AM2/27/15
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tmo1138 wrote:
> On 2015-02-25, Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>> xpn from Macports runs just fine on Mavericks under the Quartz X11 server. I
>> just installed and tried it.
>>
>> It's written in Python, so I imagine easy enough to tinker with if you want
>> more features.
>>
>
> I use Homebrew, so it makes mixing with Macports kind of a pain in the arse.
> I'll keep that in mind tho.
>
>
Actually.. I have to take that back.. After installing the bottles for GTK and the Homebrew-python
> On 2015-02-25, Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>> xpn from Macports runs just fine on Mavericks under the Quartz X11 server. I
>> just installed and tried it.
>>
>> It's written in Python, so I imagine easy enough to tinker with if you want
>> more features.
>>
>
> I use Homebrew, so it makes mixing with Macports kind of a pain in the arse.
> I'll keep that in mind tho.
>
>
I can run it from the source project.. nice... :)
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Bob E.
Mar 7, 2015, 11:37:58 PM3/7/15
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> Tell me about it. Hell, I flirted with Hogwasher as far back as 1999,
> and even then it was stuck in a buggy state without a recent update. I
> realise to run in OSX it has been updated since, but the trouble is
> bugfixes are years apart. MacSOUP may be a bit odd and lacking in modern
> polish, but it's far better than Hogwasher for text groups. Always has
> been IME. Stefan Hallar always gets on top of serious bugs, and hasn't
> left me hanging in nearly two decades!
I don't see a current web site for MacSOUP.
Is the last release really from 2009? ::
http://www.macorchard.com/usenet/MacSOUP.php
> and even then it was stuck in a buggy state without a recent update. I
> realise to run in OSX it has been updated since, but the trouble is
> bugfixes are years apart. MacSOUP may be a bit odd and lacking in modern
> polish, but it's far better than Hogwasher for text groups. Always has
> been IME. Stefan Hallar always gets on top of serious bugs, and hasn't
> left me hanging in nearly two decades!
I don't see a current web site for MacSOUP.
Is the last release really from 2009? ::
http://www.macorchard.com/usenet/MacSOUP.php
Your Name
Mar 7, 2015, 11:48:15 PM3/7/15
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In article
<0001HW.D1211223...@news.eternal-september.org>, Bob E.
Real men don't wash hogs or eat soup ... they use Thoth, the God of
newsreaders. ;-)
<0001HW.D1211223...@news.eternal-september.org>, Bob E.
newsreaders. ;-)
android
Mar 8, 2015, 12:04:12 AM3/8/15
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Bob E. <bes...@invalid.tv> Wrote in message:
If click this:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=macsoup&ia=about
You'll find this:
http://www.haller-berlin.de/macsoup/version-history.html
--
Bats can't tell us apart!
----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=macsoup&ia=about
You'll find this:
http://www.haller-berlin.de/macsoup/version-history.html
--
Bats can't tell us apart!
----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
Jamie Kahn Genet
Mar 8, 2015, 1:48:15 AM3/8/15
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> http://www.macorchard.com/usenet/MacSOUP.php
http://www.haller-berlin.de/macsoup/
--
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android
Mar 8, 2015, 5:57:46 AM3/8/15
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jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) Wrote in message:
From the version history:
Compatible with Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). However, no support for
Classic Mac OS any more.
Compatible with Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). However, no support for
Classic Mac OS any more.
Jamie Kahn Genet
Mar 8, 2015, 6:29:08 AM3/8/15
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run from System 7 through to 9, IIRC.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1442584/MacSOUP-2.8.3.dmg is newer,
though really not more useful, and runs from MacOS 9 though to OS X
10.6, IIRC.
android
Mar 8, 2015, 6:36:52 AM3/8/15
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confirm problems with Yosemite?
Christian
Mar 8, 2015, 7:18:08 AM3/8/15
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android <he...@there.was> wrote:
> The latest upgrade made it compatible with Mavericks. Can anyone
> confirm problems with Yosemite?
Version 2.8.4 from 2013 works great with Yosemite. See my headers.
> The latest upgrade made it compatible with Mavericks. Can anyone
> confirm problems with Yosemite?
Christian
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M-M
Mar 8, 2015, 9:35:42 AM3/8/15
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In article <080320151749564920%Your...@YourISP.com>, Your Name
hoops and deny a few dialog boxes. But it did download:
http://download.cnet.com/Thoth/3000-2164_4-6733.html
Not sure how it will work without a registration code or if it needs
one.
--
m-m
http://www.mhmyers.com
<Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
> Real men don't wash hogs or eat soup ... they use Thoth, the God of
> newsreaders. ;-)
I just downloaded Thoth from CNET. But I had to jump through a bunch of
>
> Real men don't wash hogs or eat soup ... they use Thoth, the God of
> newsreaders. ;-)
hoops and deny a few dialog boxes. But it did download:
http://download.cnet.com/Thoth/3000-2164_4-6733.html
Not sure how it will work without a registration code or if it needs
one.
--
m-m
http://www.mhmyers.com
M-M
Mar 8, 2015, 9:39:44 AM3/8/15
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In article <080320150935374841%nos...@ny.more>, M-M <nos...@ny.more>
wrote:
Better to click on the direct download link at the bottom portion of
the page.
--
m-m
http://www.mhmyers.com
wrote:
the page.
--
m-m
http://www.mhmyers.com
Jolly Roger
Mar 8, 2015, 2:31:50 PM3/8/15
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On 2015-03-08, M-M <nos...@ny.more> wrote:
> In article <080320151749564920%Your...@YourISP.com>, Your Name
><Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Real men don't wash hogs or eat soup ... they use Thoth, the God of
>> newsreaders. ;-)
>
> I just downloaded Thoth from CNET.
You're nuts. CNET is well-known for adding adware & nagware to anything
> In article <080320151749564920%Your...@YourISP.com>, Your Name
><Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Real men don't wash hogs or eat soup ... they use Thoth, the God of
>> newsreaders. ;-)
>
> I just downloaded Thoth from CNET.
you download from them.
tmo1138
Mar 8, 2015, 3:22:51 PM3/8/15
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On 2015-03-08, Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2015-03-08, M-M <nos...@ny.more> wrote:
>> In article <080320151749564920%Your...@YourISP.com>, Your Name
>><Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Real men don't wash hogs or eat soup ... they use Thoth, the God of
>>> newsreaders. ;-)
>>
>> I just downloaded Thoth from CNET.
>
> You're nuts. CNET is well-known for adding adware & nagware to anything
> you download from them.
>
Interstingly tho, the Thoth download from CNET lacked any of that tripe. They
> On 2015-03-08, M-M <nos...@ny.more> wrote:
>> In article <080320151749564920%Your...@YourISP.com>, Your Name
>><Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Real men don't wash hogs or eat soup ... they use Thoth, the God of
>>> newsreaders. ;-)
>>
>> I just downloaded Thoth from CNET.
>
> You're nuts. CNET is well-known for adding adware & nagware to anything
> you download from them.
>
must not consider it a vector for any profit, so they didn't bother.
--
Expect the worst, it's the least you can do.
Jolly Roger
Mar 8, 2015, 3:39:28 PM3/8/15
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Your Name
Mar 8, 2015, 3:54:43 PM3/8/15
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In article <080320150935374841%nos...@ny.more>, M-M <nos...@ny.more>
wrote:
wrote:
the registration code, although I registered the couple of old versions
I've used, so I don't know what happens when the demo time runs out ...
the problem is that it's no longer supported and the website no longer
exists to actually register it. Apparently the old registration codes
don't work in the newest version either. :-(
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