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JF Mezei
Jan 30, 2016, 4:13:34 PM1/30/16
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Although i use Netflix only on my Sharp TV (far superior to app on
AppleTV), I sometimes give a try on a computer.
On both Firefox and Safari, Netflix still wants me to install that
Silverlight aberration even though Netflix supports HTML5.
Someone pointed me to this:
https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23742
In the HTML5 tab:
Supported browsers:
Safari on Mac OS X 10.10 or later (Yosemite)
Supported on all 2012 or later models and select 2011 models
I am curious on why Netflix would put a hardware restriction on hardware
for OS-X but have no such restrictions for Windows users ?
If the software needs new instructions to decode video, wouldn't it
need the same chip versions on OS-X and Windows because both still need
to decode the same HTML5 video ?
Also, is there a way to ensure that ALL traces of Silverlight are gone
from a system ? I remember at one point installing flip4mac and the
thing got installed without my permission. I am thinking perhaps there
are leftovers somewhere ?
Jolly Roger
Jan 30, 2016, 5:25:46 PM1/30/16
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On 2016-01-30, JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
> Although i use Netflix only on my Sharp TV (far superior to app on
> AppleTV), I sometimes give a try on a computer.
Yeah, well Apple TVs haven't been caught with their pants down spying on
>
> Although i use Netflix only on my Sharp TV (far superior to app on
> AppleTV), I sometimes give a try on a computer.
users like smart TVs from many manufacturers, including Sharp. We use
the Netflix app on our Apple TV daily without issue and without such
privacy worries.
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Davoud
Jan 31, 2016, 11:37:30 AM1/31/16
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JF Mezei:
> Although i use Netflix only on my Sharp TV (far superior to app on
> AppleTV), I sometimes give a try on a computer.
Stop doing that. If it's better on your TV, watch it on your TV.
> On both Firefox and Safari, Netflix still wants me to install that
> Silverlight aberration even though Netflix supports HTML5.
This sounds like knee-jerk Microsoft bashing. Silverlight isn't an
aberration. It's just a software utility. I've had it on five Macs for
years with no problems.
> Someone pointed me to this:
> https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23742
>
> In the HTML5 tab:
>
> Supported browsers:
>
> Safari on Mac OS X 10.10 or later (Yosemite)
> Supported on all 2012 or later models and select 2011 models
> I am curious on why Netflix would put a hardware restriction on hardware
> for OS-X but have no such restrictions for Windows users ?
Because they're different operating systems?
> If the software needs new instructions to decode video, wouldn't it
> need the same chip versions on OS-X and Windows because both still need
> to decode the same HTML5 video ?
> Also, is there a way to ensure that ALL traces of Silverlight are gone
> from a system ? I remember at one point installing flip4mac and the
> thing got installed without my permission. I am thinking perhaps there
> are leftovers somewhere ?
When such questions arise I tend to go to the source for information.
<https://www.microsoft.com/getsilverlight/get-started/install/removing-s
ilverlight-mac.aspx>
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> Although i use Netflix only on my Sharp TV (far superior to app on
> AppleTV), I sometimes give a try on a computer.
> On both Firefox and Safari, Netflix still wants me to install that
> Silverlight aberration even though Netflix supports HTML5.
aberration. It's just a software utility. I've had it on five Macs for
years with no problems.
> Someone pointed me to this:
> https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23742
>
> In the HTML5 tab:
>
> Supported browsers:
>
> Safari on Mac OS X 10.10 or later (Yosemite)
> Supported on all 2012 or later models and select 2011 models
> I am curious on why Netflix would put a hardware restriction on hardware
> for OS-X but have no such restrictions for Windows users ?
> If the software needs new instructions to decode video, wouldn't it
> need the same chip versions on OS-X and Windows because both still need
> to decode the same HTML5 video ?
> Also, is there a way to ensure that ALL traces of Silverlight are gone
> from a system ? I remember at one point installing flip4mac and the
> thing got installed without my permission. I am thinking perhaps there
> are leftovers somewhere ?
<https://www.microsoft.com/getsilverlight/get-started/install/removing-s
ilverlight-mac.aspx>
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JF Mezei
Jan 31, 2016, 1:12:49 PM1/31/16
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On 2016-01-31 11:37, Davoud wrote:
>> Safari on Mac OS X 10.10 or later (Yosemite)
>> Supported on all 2012 or later models and select 2011 models
>
>> I am curious on why Netflix would put a hardware restriction on hardware
>> for OS-X but have no such restrictions for Windows users ?
>
> Because they're different operating systems?
Yet, my 2009 vintage MacP[ro is fully capable of doing HTML5 on Youtube.
>> Safari on Mac OS X 10.10 or later (Yosemite)
>> Supported on all 2012 or later models and select 2011 models
>
>> I am curious on why Netflix would put a hardware restriction on hardware
>> for OS-X but have no such restrictions for Windows users ?
>
> Because they're different operating systems?
But too old to do HTML5 on Netflix ?
> When such questions arise I tend to go to the source for information.
> <https://www.microsoft.com/getsilverlight/get-started/install/removing-s
> ilverlight-mac.aspx>
>
John McWilliams
Jan 31, 2016, 2:59:38 PM1/31/16
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which you inquired.
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David Empson
Jan 31, 2016, 3:07:57 PM1/31/16
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JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-01-31 11:37, Davoud wrote:
>
> >> Safari on Mac OS X 10.10 or later (Yosemite)
> >> Supported on all 2012 or later models and select 2011 models
> >
> >> I am curious on why Netflix would put a hardware restriction on hardware
> >> for OS-X but have no such restrictions for Windows users ?
> >
> > Because they're different operating systems?
>
> Yet, my 2009 vintage MacP[ro is fully capable of doing HTML5 on Youtube.
> But too old to do HTML5 on Netflix ?
The hardware requirements on the page you linked earlier imply that
> On 2016-01-31 11:37, Davoud wrote:
>
> >> Safari on Mac OS X 10.10 or later (Yosemite)
> >> Supported on all 2012 or later models and select 2011 models
> >
> >> I am curious on why Netflix would put a hardware restriction on hardware
> >> for OS-X but have no such restrictions for Windows users ?
> >
> > Because they're different operating systems?
>
> Yet, my 2009 vintage MacP[ro is fully capable of doing HTML5 on Youtube.
> But too old to do HTML5 on Netflix ?
Netflix on Safari requires a Sandy Bridge processor, which implies it is
using the H.264 hardware decoding features of that processor (or newer).
Since that appears to be unique to Safari as far as Netflix is
concerned, my educated guess is that Safari running on OS X 10.10.3 or
later offers an API for playing H.264 video via HTML5, but it is only
available if the Mac is new enough. Netflix chose to use that API rather
than implementing something else for Safari.
Youtube is presumably using a different method of playing H.264 video
via HTML5, which doesn't require that API, but which uses software
decoding, possibly resulting in lower quality/resolution video, less
compression (more data for same quality), heavier processor use, etc.
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Lewis
Jan 31, 2016, 3:15:08 PM1/31/16
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Davoud <st...@sky.net> wrote:
> JF Mezei:
>> Although i use Netflix only on my Sharp TV (far superior to app on
>> AppleTV), I sometimes give a try on a computer.
> Stop doing that. If it's better on your TV, watch it on your TV.
>> On both Firefox and Safari, Netflix still wants me to install that
>> Silverlight aberration even though Netflix supports HTML5.
> This sounds like knee-jerk Microsoft bashing. Silverlight isn't an
> aberration. It's just a software utility. I've had it on five Macs for
> years with no problems.
Silverlight is a dead product though.
> JF Mezei:
>> Although i use Netflix only on my Sharp TV (far superior to app on
>> AppleTV), I sometimes give a try on a computer.
> Stop doing that. If it's better on your TV, watch it on your TV.
>> On both Firefox and Safari, Netflix still wants me to install that
>> Silverlight aberration even though Netflix supports HTML5.
> This sounds like knee-jerk Microsoft bashing. Silverlight isn't an
> aberration. It's just a software utility. I've had it on five Macs for
> years with no problems.
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JF Mezei
Jan 31, 2016, 4:46:21 PM1/31/16
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On 2016-01-31 14:59, John McWilliams wrote:
> Just having a bad day? MS is a source of info for Silverlight, about
> which you inquired.
I inquired about why HTML5 version of Netflix is available only on
> Just having a bad day? MS is a source of info for Silverlight, about
> which you inquired.
certain models of hardware.
The whole point of this is to move away from proprietary Silverlight.
Apple has done a fair job to kill flash.
JF Mezei
Jan 31, 2016, 4:59:40 PM1/31/16
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On 2016-01-31 15:07, David Empson wrote:
>
> Since that appears to be unique to Safari as far as Netflix is
> concerned, my educated guess is that Safari running on OS X 10.10.3 or
> later offers an API for playing H.264 video via HTML5, but it is only
> available if the Mac is new enough.
Considering that Airplay is disabled for older hardware since the CPUs
>
> Since that appears to be unique to Safari as far as Netflix is
> concerned, my educated guess is that Safari running on OS X 10.10.3 or
> later offers an API for playing H.264 video via HTML5, but it is only
> available if the Mac is new enough.
don't have required functionality, it looks like Safari has the same
restriction.
I think Apple should have provided software emulation for the missing
CPU instruction for older hardware so that applications would run
normally. I know that Digital did that for the MicrovaxII whose chip did
not implement the full VAX instruction set and some of the instructions
were emulated by the OS.
Firefox is supported on Windows but not on Mac. Considering that video
decoding is likelyt part of common code between platfdorms, I would have
assumed all Firefox platforms would have been supported.
Note that Netflix suypports HTML5 on Chrome all the way back to Snow
Leopard.
Google last week disabled the "Earth" view for my Mac. Am back to
satellite view only, and a "zombie" mode that is neither "full" nor
"lite" modes. Ironically, using Safari, I can switch to lite mode, and
then back to full mode and I then get Earth back. But in Firefox, I
can't switch to Lite mode because the icon isn't there.
nospam
Jan 31, 2016, 5:32:21 PM1/31/16
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In article <56ae80aa$0$4554$c3e8da3$b280...@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> The whole point of this is to move away from proprietary Silverlight.
> Apple has done a fair job to kill flash.
thankfully, silverlight is dead. it was worse than flash.
> The whole point of this is to move away from proprietary Silverlight.
> Apple has done a fair job to kill flash.
Alan Browne
Jan 31, 2016, 6:23:56 PM1/31/16
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Alan Browne
Jan 31, 2016, 6:30:16 PM1/31/16
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On 2016-01-30 16:13, JF Mezei wrote:
>
> Although i use Netflix only on my Sharp TV (far superior to app on
> AppleTV), I sometimes give a try on a computer.
>
> On both Firefox and Safari, Netflix still wants me to install that
> Silverlight aberration even though Netflix supports HTML5.
I use Chrome to watch Netflix and Silverlight is not installed on this
>
> Although i use Netflix only on my Sharp TV (far superior to app on
> AppleTV), I sometimes give a try on a computer.
>
> On both Firefox and Safari, Netflix still wants me to install that
> Silverlight aberration even though Netflix supports HTML5.
Mac (2012 iMac 27"). I removed Silverlight about 1 or 2 years ago.
Did you try Chrome?
>
> Also, is there a way to ensure that ALL traces of Silverlight are gone
> from a system ? I remember at one point installing flip4mac and the
> thing got installed without my permission. I am thinking perhaps there
> are leftovers somewhere ?
Lewis
Jan 31, 2016, 6:48:04 PM1/31/16
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It is dead, but I disagree that it was worse than Flash. I've never had
to nuke-and-pave a Windows machine because of Silverlight, but I have
had to several times because of Flash.
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not a lot. And the chorus goes like this...
to nuke-and-pave a Windows machine because of Silverlight, but I have
had to several times because of Flash.
--
This is our music from the bachelor's den, the sound of loneliness
turned up to ten. A harsh soundtrack from a stagnant waterbed and it
sounds just like this. This is the sound of someone losing the plot
making out that they're OK when they're not. You're gonna like it, but
not a lot. And the chorus goes like this...
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