Help with installing Old Mac OS 7
Phil G
I'm not sure if anyone here can help me, but I've been pulling my hair out
for the last couple of hours trying o get Mac OS 7.5.3 onto an LC575 which
I've just recieved!
Basically I've downloaded the OS directally from apple, theres 19 files all
which are about 1.2mb but I cannot figure out how to get the Mac I have here
to accept the files, I'm sure I am doing a lot wrong but I'd like to be able
to try and fix it.
Half my problem is, I don't have access to a working Mac here (stupid
windows user talking)
At the moment, I've used Stuffit to unextract the files and now I have a
.smi file and 18 .part files. All I am trying to do is to get this either
onto a CD or onto floppy disks so I can install it onto the LC575 I've got!
I'm at the stage where I am really unsure of what to do next, I'm not sure
if I have to format Mac disks with a certain program, or if I have to use a
program to open the smi file and go from there.. I realise this sounds a
little unclear but if anyone knows remotely what I'm on about, either reply
to this or email me, some help would rock!
Phil
Christian
> At the moment, I've used Stuffit to unextract the files and now I have a
> .smi file and 18 .part files. All I am trying to do is to get this either
> onto a CD or onto floppy disks so I can install it onto the LC575 I've got!
The files are floppy disk images (.smi), although I never had seen
".part". You need to either mount them as virtual disks or you make real
floppies from them.
> I'm at the stage where I am really unsure of what to do next, I'm not sure
> if I have to format Mac disks with a certain program, or if I have to use a
> program to open the smi file and go from there..
The program to use the image files is named "Disk Copy". It should be
downloadable from Apple.
Christian.
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Chris Moore
<rar...@raraku.com> wrote:
The .smi file is a self mounting image. In practice you would mount the
image and copy the files over to a floppy. On a Windows machine you
have a whole list of problems to contend with though. For one
unstuffing a file with resource forks will immediatly corrupt the file,
I'm not entirly sure if .smi files have resource forks but if they do
the image is useless after expanding. Two, I don't know of anyway to
mount a .smi image on a PC. Three, even if you could the afore
mentioned resouce forks stand a good chance of getting corrupted upon
mounting or copying. Four and finally, the only floppy disks you'll be
able to copy the files to are PC formatted. Macs can only read PC
formats through the use of some system files which are not going to be
available at boot time, thus the Mac will not be able to boot from the
floppies.
Your undoubtedly going to need someone with a Mac to help you out on
this project.
Jason
Phil,
One other option would be to visit ebay and see if anyone has for sale
the Appple CD that you need. They may even have it on official Apple
floppies if you don't have a CD unit. If you don't have a CD unit, you
might also consider buying a CD unit on ebay--make sure it is made to work
with a mac. I don't recall whether the LC 575 came with a CD unit
installed. If not, you may be able to buy on ebay an external CD unit made
for a mac. I have an official Mac OS 7.6 CD that I could sell you really
cheap but am not sure whether your mac can handle OS 7.6. Does anyone
know? I'll send you a separate email message.
>
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David Ryeburn
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> One other option would be to visit ebay and see if anyone has for sale
> the Appple CD that you need. They may even have it on official Apple
> floppies if you don't have a CD unit. If you don't have a CD unit, you
> might also consider buying a CD unit on ebay--make sure it is made to work
> with a mac. I don't recall whether the LC 575 came with a CD unit
> installed.
The LC 575 came with a 2X CD-ROM unit. Slow, but adequate for installing
system software. By the way, added external CD drives may or may not be
able to be used as boot drives for machines of this vintage. But the
built-in one can be so used (assuming it's still working).
> If not, you may be able to buy on ebay an external CD unit made
> for a mac.
Unnecessary, and possibly useless. See above.
> I have an official Mac OS 7.6 CD that I could sell you really
> cheap but am not sure whether your mac can handle OS 7.6. Does anyone
> know?
The LC 575 has a 68LC040 CPU (a 68040 lacking FPU) and can run up
through OS 8.1. It can only accommodate a maximum of 36 MB of RAM
(soldered in 4 MB, and a single 72 pin SIMM socket for up to 32 MB
more). I don't think I'd want to try running OS 7.6 on less than 36 MB
RAM.
If you do go to OS 7.6, immediately upgrade to 7.6.1 with the updater
which is free from Apple. 7.6.1 was far more stable than 7.6, and was in
fact a very nice system, much nicer than any version of 7.5.x.
He could as indicated above even go to OS 8.1, but I certainly wouldn't
recommend it. I had OS 8.1 installed on a 64 MB RAM Quadra 700, and it
barely tolerated the 64 MB; 32 MB would have been very difficult to live
with, after deducting what the system software itself uses. OS 7.6.1
used far less RAM itself than OS 8.1 did.
Installing operating system software from a CD ROM is probably the best
thing for the original poster to do, lacking any other Macs on hand, and
OS 7.6 (quickly updated to OS 7.6.1) is probably his best choice. There
even are currently available browsers that will run under OS 7.6.1 on a
68040 machine (iCab would be the one I would use).
David
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Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:
> In article <xdqRc.40941$K53....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Phil G"
> <rar...@raraku.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I'm not sure if anyone here can help me, but I've been pulling my hair out
> > for the last couple of hours trying o get Mac OS 7.5.3 onto an LC575 which
> > I've just recieved!
> >
> > Basically I've downloaded the OS directally from apple, theres 19 files all
> > which are about 1.2mb but I cannot figure out how to get the Mac I have here
> > to accept the files, I'm sure I am doing a lot wrong but I'd like to be able
> > to try and fix it.
> >
> > Half my problem is, I don't have access to a working Mac here (stupid
> > windows user talking)
That would be a problem: you need to make Mac floppies out of those 19
files. Note that there are two versions IIRC - one for a "net" install,
the other for a complete set of floppies.
[snip]
> One other option would be to visit ebay and see if anyone has for sale
> the Appple CD that you need. They may even have it on official Apple
> floppies if you don't have a CD unit. If you don't have a CD unit, you
> might also consider buying a CD unit on ebay--make sure it is made to work
> with a mac. I don't recall whether the LC 575 came with a CD unit
> installed. If not, you may be able to buy on ebay an external CD unit made
> for a mac. I have an official Mac OS 7.6 CD that I could sell you really
> cheap but am not sure whether your mac can handle OS 7.6. Does anyone
> know? I'll send you a separate email message.
> >
According to http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112285
it will run with 7.6, 7.6.1, and 8.x
I can't find it right now, but there is a page on Apple's website that
lists the OS version compatability of ALL Mac models in table format.
Very useful when dealing with older macs, since the info is all in
one place.
Roger Johnstone
> In article <Jason-08080...@pm4-broad-3.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
> Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <xdqRc.40941$K53....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Phil
>> G" <rar...@raraku.com> wrote:
>> > Hi guys,
>> >
>> > I'm not sure if anyone here can help me, but I've been pulling my
>> > hair out for the last couple of hours trying o get Mac OS 7.5.3
>> > onto an LC575 which I've just recieved! Basically I've downloaded
>> > the OS directally from apple, theres 19 files all which are about 1.
>> > 2mb but I cannot figure out how to get the Mac I have here to
>> > accept the files, I'm sure I am doing a lot wrong but I'd like to
>> > be able to try and fix it. Half my problem is, I don't have access
>> > to a working Mac here (stupid windows user talking)
>
> That would be a problem: you need to make Mac floppies out of those 19
> files. Note that there are two versions IIRC - one for a "net"
> install, the other for a complete set of floppies.
While System 7.5.3 was available on a set of floppies the version Apple
has provided is not the floppy disk version. It's actually a single big
disk image split into 20 files. Each file is small enough to fit on a 1.
4MB floppy so that they can be transferred via floppy disk to a Mac with
no CD-ROM or network connection.
All the files are then copied to the target Mac's hard drive, then you
run the first file in the set which is an application. It mounts a disk
image of the complete System 7.5.3 installer. Note that you need to be
running System 7.0.1 already to be able to run the self-mounting image!
[to the original poster]
If you don't already have a bootable system, here's how to create a boot
disk using a PC:
1. Go back to the Apple old software download site at
<http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html>
and get the file "Network_Access_Disk_7.5.sea.bin" near the bottom of
the page. This is a System 7.5 boot disk with LocalTalk network support,
in a self-extracting archive, inside a MacBinary wrapper.
2. Download the free StuffIt Expander for Windows
<http://www.stuffit.com/win/>
3. Use StuffIt Expander to expand the file "Network_Access_Disk_7.5.sea.
bin". It will remove the MacBinary wrapper and extract the disk image
from the archive leaving a file called "Network Access.image".
4. Download the trial version of the shareware program WinImage for
Windows.
<http://www.winimage.com/download.htm>
5. Use WinImage to write the disk image "Network Access.image" to a 1.
4MB floppy disk.
6. Boot your Mac from the disk.
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As someone else said, the easiest way might be ebay.
For example i saw this:
"Mac OS System 7.5 on Floppies - Full Package - Never Opened"
Ends Sunday Aug-22-04 20:30:35 PDT
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5715484417
Mike Hutchison
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm not sure if anyone here can help me, but I've been pulling my hair out
> for the last couple of hours trying o get Mac OS 7.5.3 onto an LC575 which
> I've just recieved!
>
> Basically I've downloaded the OS directally from apple, theres 19 files all
> which are about 1.2mb but I cannot figure out how to get the Mac I have here
> to accept the files, I'm sure I am doing a lot wrong but I'd like to be able
> to try and fix it.
>
> Half my problem is, I don't have access to a working Mac here (stupid
> windows user talking)
>
> At the moment, I've used Stuffit to unextract the files and now I have a
> .smi file and 18 .part files. All I am trying to do is to get this either
> onto a CD or onto floppy disks so I can install it onto the LC575 I've got!
As other peeps have said, don't ever expand Mac files on a PC, as the filing
system doesn't treat the files correctly, and you'll end up corrupting them.
Best to leave the files in their archived state, which is usually a stuffit
archive (.sit), or MacBinary (.bin) which does not compress the files, but
combines both data and resource forks into a single data 'archive' file.
Expand the archives on the Mac itself, so that it does it properly.
> I'm at the stage where I am really unsure of what to do next, I'm not sure
> if I have to format Mac disks with a certain program, or if I have to use a
> program to open the smi file and go from there.. I realise this sounds a
> little unclear but if anyone knows remotely what I'm on about, either reply
> to this or email me, some help would rock!
> Phil
Unless the Mac LC575 came with it's own system diskettes, then you'll have no
choice but to buy a System CD or floppies. This Mac can only use OS versions
from 7.1x (came with the Mac), or 7.5x, 7.6x, 8.0 or 8.1 - try eBay, you'll
find that they are really cheap on there.
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