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Ant
Jul 1, 2021, 9:08:35 PM7/1/21
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It seems I have to do it monthly
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
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(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
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Ant
Jul 1, 2021, 9:09:50 PM7/1/21
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Oh and I forgot "How often do you rebuild your macOS Big Sur v11's Spotlight indexes?" in the body. :)
Bob Campbell
Jul 1, 2021, 11:31:55 PM7/1/21
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On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
> It seems I have to do it monthly
> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
> It seems I have to do it monthly
> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed
to search for anything.
nospam
Jul 1, 2021, 11:46:36 PM7/1/21
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In article <G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9...@supernews.com>, Bob
you must not have very many files, or you don't do very much with your
computer.
computer.
Alan Baker
Jul 2, 2021, 12:34:30 AM7/2/21
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Lewis
Jul 2, 2021, 2:44:08 AM7/2/21
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In message <XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9...@earthlink.com> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> It seems I have to do it monthly
> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
I think in 15 years of macOS/OS X I've rebuilt spotlight indexes maybe
> It seems I have to do it monthly
> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
4 or 5 times total. I am pretty sure I have not done it under Big Sur or
Monterey.
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Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 2, 2021, 3:11:56 AM7/2/21
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Where does the need to insult people come from?
Insecurity?
el
Insecurity?
el
Alan Baker
Jul 2, 2021, 3:25:16 AM7/2/21
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I'm not sorry about that.
The simple fact is that his post was completely unhelpful.
Dr Eberhard Lisse
Jul 2, 2021, 5:54:45 AM7/2/21
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Ah, insecurity it is.
el
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el
To email me replace 'nospam' with 'el'
nospam
Jul 2, 2021, 7:37:23 AM7/2/21
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In article <ik7shn...@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
assuming the post is not trollbait.
> Insecurity?
no.
and don't top post.
<nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
> Where does the need to insult people come from?
he didn't insult anyone. what he said is an accurate description,
> Where does the need to insult people come from?
assuming the post is not trollbait.
> Insecurity?
no.
and don't top post.
Wolffan
Jul 2, 2021, 8:40:03 AM7/2/21
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On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
(in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9...@earthlink.com>):
> It seems I have to do it monthly
> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
>
> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
I’ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt
the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install
usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is
usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.
Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
with a search?
(in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9...@earthlink.com>):
> It seems I have to do it monthly
> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
>
> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install
usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is
usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.
Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
with a search?
Wolffan
Jul 2, 2021, 8:46:56 AM7/2/21
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On 2021 Jul 01, Bob Campbell wrote
(in article<G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9...@supernews.com>):
Interesting. I have a 2 TB HDD and a 1 TB SSD internally on this machine, and
have access to over 40 TB of storage, by USB, in a NAS, and in network
connections to other computers, Mac, Windows, and Linux. Finding files in all
that would be non-trivial without using search. So... how _do_ you find
files? How much storage is on your machine(s)? How much time do you spend
moving around files and folders? What is your objection to using search?
(in article<G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9...@supernews.com>):
have access to over 40 TB of storage, by USB, in a NAS, and in network
connections to other computers, Mac, Windows, and Linux. Finding files in all
that would be non-trivial without using search. So... how _do_ you find
files? How much storage is on your machine(s)? How much time do you spend
moving around files and folders? What is your objection to using search?
Dr Eberhard Lisse
Jul 2, 2021, 10:22:12 AM7/2/21
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In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
el
el
nospam
Jul 2, 2021, 11:12:42 AM7/2/21
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In article <ik8lof...@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard Lisse
as when a person intentionally, deliberately and blatantly violates
usenet posting etiquette by top posting, especially after repeatedly
being told to not do that in numerous threads.
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail and USENET?
<nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
> In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
not when the word is appropriate and accurately describes someone, such
> In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
as when a person intentionally, deliberately and blatantly violates
usenet posting etiquette by top posting, especially after repeatedly
being told to not do that in numerous threads.
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail and USENET?
Lewis
Jul 2, 2021, 12:41:42 PM7/2/21
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$ DF
Drobo
CPCTY: 14.3619 TB
AVAIL: 2.75545 TB
Local
CPCTY: 39.9932 TB
AVAIL: 20.1888 TB
In addition to that, I have another 30TB of network storage mounted, and
that is also spotlight indexed. I'd never find anything without it, or
at least it would take me a lot longer (hours).
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Lewis
Jul 2, 2021, 12:48:05 PM7/2/21
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In message <ik8lof...@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
> In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
And yet, it is also an accurate description of someone who claims to
> In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
have "never used search ever" or the other option, your use of a
computer is trivial.
I know someone who has never used search on her computer either. She is
an accountant. She runs two programs on her computer, and only two.
Google Chrome and her accounting software (whatever Peachtree became
when it was Borged). She has no need of search because the only data on
her computer is the accounting files. (Literally the only data, no
music, photos, videos, documents, nothing).
Your insistence on top-posting lends credence to the 'idiot'
possibility.
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Lewis
Jul 2, 2021, 12:49:22 PM7/2/21
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In message <ik8631...@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
> Ah, insecurity it is.
You are a troll shit and I claim my £5.
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> Ah, insecurity it is.
You are a troll shit and I claim my £5.
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nospam
Jul 2, 2021, 1:14:43 PM7/2/21
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In article <slrnsdugq1....@m1mini.local>, Lewis
> I know someone who has never used search on her computer either. She is
> an accountant. She runs two programs on her computer, and only two.
> Google Chrome and her accounting software (whatever Peachtree became
> when it was Borged). She has no need of search because the only data on
> her computer is the accounting files. (Literally the only data, no
> music, photos, videos, documents, nothing).
she might not need to search for photos or whatever on her computer,
but certainly she must have searched for stuff online using a search
engine in chrome and likely searched for specific transactions or
client data in the accounting software.
> Your insistence on top-posting lends credence to the 'idiot'
> possibility.
it guarantees it.
<g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> In message <ik8lof...@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse
> <nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
> > In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
>
> And yet, it is also an accurate description of someone who claims to
> have "never used search ever" or the other option, your use of a
> computer is trivial.
yep
> In message <ik8lof...@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse
> <nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
> > In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
>
> And yet, it is also an accurate description of someone who claims to
> have "never used search ever" or the other option, your use of a
> computer is trivial.
> I know someone who has never used search on her computer either. She is
> an accountant. She runs two programs on her computer, and only two.
> Google Chrome and her accounting software (whatever Peachtree became
> when it was Borged). She has no need of search because the only data on
> her computer is the accounting files. (Literally the only data, no
> music, photos, videos, documents, nothing).
but certainly she must have searched for stuff online using a search
engine in chrome and likely searched for specific transactions or
client data in the accounting software.
> Your insistence on top-posting lends credence to the 'idiot'
> possibility.
Wolffan
Jul 2, 2021, 2:18:21 PM7/2/21
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On 2021 Jul 02, Lewis wrote
(in article <slrnsdugsf....@m1mini.local>):
> In message<ik8631...@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse
> <nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
> > Ah, insecurity it is.
>
> You are a troll shit and I claim my £5.
oh, there’s no doubt but that Ebie is a troll.
(in article <slrnsdugsf....@m1mini.local>):
> In message<ik8631...@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse
> <nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
> > Ah, insecurity it is.
>
> You are a troll shit and I claim my £5.
Ant
Jul 2, 2021, 6:29:44 PM7/2/21
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In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan <akwo...@zoho.com> wrote:
> On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
> (in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9...@earthlink.com>):
> > It seems I have to do it monthly
> > (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> > matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> > older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
> >
> > Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
> I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt
> On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
> (in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9...@earthlink.com>):
> > It seems I have to do it monthly
> > (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> > matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> > older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
> >
> > Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
> the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install
> usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is
> usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.
> Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
> with a search?
Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents.
> usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is
> usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.
> Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
> with a search?
Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(
--
Will 2021 repeat 2020? :(
Lewis
Jul 2, 2021, 9:43:14 PM7/2/21
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>> Your insistence on top-posting lends credence to the 'idiot'
>> possibility.
> it guarantees it.
--
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them
are stupider than that.
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 3, 2021, 3:27:45 AM7/3/21
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I was expecting you to come in with your usual unhelpful comments in
fecal language.
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 3, 2021, 3:28:15 AM7/3/21
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Who's Ebie?
el
el
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 3, 2021, 3:28:37 AM7/3/21
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And don't insult.
el
el
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 3, 2021, 3:33:22 AM7/3/21
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One idiots's free speech is another's crimen injuria.
el
On 2021-07-02 17:12 , nospam wrote:
> In article <ik8lof...@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard Lisse
> <nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
>
>> In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
>
> not when the word is appropriate and accurately describes someone, such
> as when a person intentionally, deliberately and blatantly violates
> usenet posting etiquette by top posting, especially after repeatedly
> being told to not do that in numerous threads.
>
[...] Q/A intentionally deleted.
el
On 2021-07-02 17:12 , nospam wrote:
> In article <ik8lof...@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard Lisse
> <nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
>
>> In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
>
> not when the word is appropriate and accurately describes someone, such
> as when a person intentionally, deliberately and blatantly violates
> usenet posting etiquette by top posting, especially after repeatedly
> being told to not do that in numerous threads.
>
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 3, 2021, 3:39:57 AM7/3/21
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And yet you still are unable to follow through on your announce having
plunked me and yet you can't resist being trolled. Other than that,
what overweight script kiddies living in their parents' basements do
don't concern me much.
The only thing I search in is my mail archive (in a MySQL Data base)
going back 1o 1999 (I lost the 20 years before that).
For Spotlight I turned off everything by Applications in the
Preferences because the SOftware Update depends on it, but I haven't
had the need for Spotlight search of files ever.
I use find on the command line with its options which existed before
MacOS and will probably survive it.
el
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 3, 2021, 3:40:46 AM7/3/21
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Yes you binned and plunked me and yet you can't resist.
el
el
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 3, 2021, 3:50:25 AM7/3/21
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I find files like so:
find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
-depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
-exec bash -c '
tput bold;
echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
tput sgr0;
echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
then
for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
do
if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
then
/usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
"Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
2>/dev/null \
| grep -v "[\{\}]";
fi;
done;
fi)' \; \
| sort -f
or
find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
-not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
-not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
-name '*.pl' \
-type f \
-exec grep ^use {} ';' \
|awk '{print $2}' \
|sed 's/;//g' \
|sort -u \
|grep -v \
-e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
-e ^and \
-e ^Apache \
-e ^base \
-e ^bytes \
-e ^constant \
-e ^experimental \
-e ^feature \
-e ^fields \
-e ^hasn \
-e ^lib \
-e ^open \
-e ^routines. \
-e ^strict \
-e ^subs \
-e ^sysread \
-e ^use \
-e ^vars \
-e ^version \
-e ^warnings \
-e ^when
for example.
I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
for large scale file shifting.
I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
either.
el
Wolffan
Jul 3, 2021, 8:48:32 AM7/3/21
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On 2021 Jul 03, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote
(in article <ikahsb...@mid.individual.net>):
> Who's Ebie?
that’d be you, Ebie.
Your continual top-posting is one of the marks of the more idiotic trolls.
Your inability to make interesting posts is another. Keep it up and you’ll
be killfiled.
(in article <ikahsb...@mid.individual.net>):
> Who's Ebie?
that’d be you, Ebie.
Your continual top-posting is one of the marks of the more idiotic trolls.
Your inability to make interesting posts is another. Keep it up and you’ll
be killfiled.
Wolffan
Jul 3, 2021, 8:49:09 AM7/3/21
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On 2021 Jul 03, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote
(in article <ikahrc...@mid.individual.net>):
>
> I was expecting you to come in with your usual unhelpful comments in
> fecal language.
yep, you’re a troll.
(in article <ikahrc...@mid.individual.net>):
>
> I was expecting you to come in with your usual unhelpful comments in
> fecal language.
Wolffan
Jul 3, 2021, 8:51:32 AM7/3/21
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On 2021 Jul 03, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote
(in article <ikaj5s...@mid.individual.net>):
feature... decisions, decisions.
giving a damn about a troll’s opinions... hmm, nope.
Say bye, Ebie. You’re about to be plonked.
Wolffan
Jul 3, 2021, 9:01:38 AM7/3/21
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On 2021 Jul 02, Ant wrote
(in article<bZGdnUE8CMjNDkL9...@earthlink.com>):
> In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan<akwo...@zoho.com> wrote:
> > On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
> > (in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9...@earthlink.com>):
>
> > > It seems I have to do it monthly
> > > (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> > > matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> > > older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
> > >
> > > Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
>
> > I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt
> > the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install
> > usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is
> > usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.
>
> > Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
> > with a search?
>
> Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents.
> Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(
Ah...
1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
2 check your system; Spotlight isn’t supposed to lose files unless
there’s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.
3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy
Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC
or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have
significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both
backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a
full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a
reformat and restore should fix it. Unless there’s a hardware problem, and
you need a new drive.
Having to rebuild the Spotlight index all the time is not normal. It’s a
sign that your volume has a problem. Fix the problem, not the symptom.
(in article<bZGdnUE8CMjNDkL9...@earthlink.com>):
> In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan<akwo...@zoho.com> wrote:
> > On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
> > (in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9...@earthlink.com>):
>
> > > It seems I have to do it monthly
> > > (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> > > matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> > > older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
> > >
> > > Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
>
> > I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt
> > the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install
> > usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is
> > usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.
>
> > Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
> > with a search?
>
> Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents.
> Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(
1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
2 check your system; Spotlight isn’t supposed to lose files unless
there’s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.
3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy
Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC
or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have
significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both
backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a
full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a
reformat and restore should fix it. Unless there’s a hardware problem, and
you need a new drive.
Having to rebuild the Spotlight index all the time is not normal. It’s a
sign that your volume has a problem. Fix the problem, not the symptom.
Fishrrman
Jul 3, 2021, 12:14:26 PM7/3/21
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On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
> It seems I have to do it monthly
Answer here: NEVER.
One of the first things I do with all my Macs is to DISABLE
Spotlight and never use it, ever.
I use "EasyFind" and "Find Any File" when I need to "search"
for something...
nospam
Jul 3, 2021, 12:59:24 PM7/3/21
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In article <ikaht1...@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
<nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
> And don't insult.
if you're going to ask others to not insult, it's a good idea to not do
so yourself.
In article <ikaii8...@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
<nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
> And don't insult.
if you're going to ask others to not insult, it's a good idea to not do
so yourself.
In article <ikaii8...@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
nospam
Jul 3, 2021, 12:59:26 PM7/3/21
to
In article <ikaj5s...@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
looks like 'idiot' was actually a compliment.
even an idiot is not stupid enough to think the above is a good idea.
you're also a hypocrite for calling others 'overweight script kiddies'
when you have your own fucked up script, one which a true script kiddie
would laugh at.
> I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
> oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
> for large scale file shifting.
what you're doing is not only very slow, highly inefficient and
*extremely* limited, but it's also *lot* of effort to maintain and
fundamentally broken.
the computer is there to do the work for you, not the other way around.
> I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
> either.
you obviously do have objections to it along with greatly limiting your
ability to effectively search.
even an idiot is not stupid enough to think the above is a good idea.
you're also a hypocrite for calling others 'overweight script kiddies'
when you have your own fucked up script, one which a true script kiddie
would laugh at.
> I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
> oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
> for large scale file shifting.
*extremely* limited, but it's also *lot* of effort to maintain and
fundamentally broken.
the computer is there to do the work for you, not the other way around.
> I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
> either.
ability to effectively search.
nospam
Jul 3, 2021, 12:59:27 PM7/3/21
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In article <sbq2cu$ofu$1...@dont-email.me>, Fishrrman
<Fishrr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> One of the first things I do with all my Macs is to DISABLE
> Spotlight and never use it, ever.
that will break a lot of things.
> One of the first things I do with all my Macs is to DISABLE
> Spotlight and never use it, ever.
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 3, 2021, 3:29:55 PM7/3/21
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Wolfgang,
my name name is not Ebie.
el
my name name is not Ebie.
el
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 3, 2021, 3:30:36 PM7/3/21
to
Agreed. This is why I don't do it.
el
el
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 3, 2021, 3:31:16 PM7/3/21
to
I am so impressed by the wannabe plonkers.
el
el
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 3, 2021, 3:41:13 PM7/3/21
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Aha.
Besides that I did not say either was a good idea, or easy to maintain,
both do the job. The former isn't even my own idea, comes from the
TextMate Support Group, but you of course can easily find the scopenames
of all installed TextMate2 bundles with Spotlight.
And you can easily find in Spotlight the CPAM modules used in all Perl
scripts other then the ones in Library Downloads and the CPAN modules
itself, of course.
It takes no effort whatsoever to maintain, in particular since there is
no need to maintain.
But then why am I explaining myself to children when I could rather
troll them?
el
On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 3, 2021, 3:44:01 PM7/3/21
to
Leave the Applications enabled or you loose the Software Update, unless
this is not a required feature.
el
this is not a required feature.
el
nospam
Jul 3, 2021, 5:20:04 PM7/3/21
to
In article <ikbsqm...@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
with being slow and inefficient at what little it does do.
the real problem is you have *no* clue as to why that is.
> And you can easily find in Spotlight the CPAM modules used in all Perl
> scripts other then the ones in Library Downloads and the CPAN modules
> itself, of course.
>
> It takes no effort whatsoever to maintain, in particular since there is
> no need to maintain.
it takes quite a bit of effort, by your own admission:
In article <ikbs6o...@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
not only do you continue to insult, but your trolling skills suck and
you are a liar.
<nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
> Aha.
>
> Besides that I did not say either was a good idea, or easy to maintain,
> both do the job. The former isn't even my own idea, comes from the
> TextMate Support Group, but you of course can easily find the scopenames
> of all installed TextMate2 bundles with Spotlight.
it doesn't do the job, nor can it. it's fundamentally broken, along
> Aha.
>
> Besides that I did not say either was a good idea, or easy to maintain,
> both do the job. The former isn't even my own idea, comes from the
> TextMate Support Group, but you of course can easily find the scopenames
> of all installed TextMate2 bundles with Spotlight.
with being slow and inefficient at what little it does do.
the real problem is you have *no* clue as to why that is.
> And you can easily find in Spotlight the CPAM modules used in all Perl
> scripts other then the ones in Library Downloads and the CPAN modules
> itself, of course.
>
> It takes no effort whatsoever to maintain, in particular since there is
> no need to maintain.
> >> I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
> >> oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
> >> for large scale file shifting.
>
> >> oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
> >> for large scale file shifting.
>
> But then why am I explaining myself to children when I could rather
> troll them?
what were you saying about not insulting?
> troll them?
In article <ikbs6o...@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
<nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
> On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
> > In article <ikaht1...@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
> On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
> > <nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
> >> And don't insult.
> >
> > if you're going to ask others to not insult, it's a good idea to not do
> > so yourself.
> >
> >> And don't insult.
> >
> > if you're going to ask others to not insult, it's a good idea to not do
> > so yourself.
> >
> Agreed. This is why I don't do it.
top posting fixed.
not only do you continue to insult, but your trolling skills suck and
you are a liar.
nospam
Jul 3, 2021, 5:20:05 PM7/3/21
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In article <ikbtsm...@mid.individual.net>, TimS
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> On 03 Jul 2021 at 20:43:57 BST, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
> > Leave the Applications enabled or you loose the Software Update, unless
> > this is not a required feature.
>
> On whom would he be loosing it?
updates should not be loose. the bits fall out and go everywhere.
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> On 03 Jul 2021 at 20:43:57 BST, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
> > Leave the Applications enabled or you loose the Software Update, unless
> > this is not a required feature.
>
updates should not be loose. the bits fall out and go everywhere.
Lewis
Jul 3, 2021, 8:40:56 PM7/3/21
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In message <sbq2cu$ofu$1...@dont-email.me> Fishrrman <Fishrr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
>> It seems I have to do it monthly
> Answer here: NEVER.
> One of the first things I do with all my Macs is to DISABLE
> Spotlight and never use it, ever.
Well, that is simply dumb.
> On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
>> It seems I have to do it monthly
> Answer here: NEVER.
> One of the first things I do with all my Macs is to DISABLE
> Spotlight and never use it, ever.
> I use "EasyFind" and "Find Any File" when I need to "search"
> for something...
--
"Master, what is the difference between a humanistic, monastic system
of belief in which wisdom is sought by means of an apparently
nonsensical system of questions and answers, and a lot of mystic
gibberish made up on the spur of the moment?" Wen considered this
for some time, and a last said: "A fish!"
Ant
Jul 4, 2021, 4:17:10 AM7/4/21
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In comp.sys.mac.apps Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> > there???s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.
Yeah, I need to figure out what is wrong since it happened again late
last night after reindexing a few days ago. It was not finding all
matched Office documents in Documents folder (almost 1,700 files and 16
GB). 2020 Intel MacBook Pro's Disk Utility app found nothing wrong.
Reboot didn't help. :(
> On 2021-07-03, Wolffan <akwo...@zoho.com> wrote:
> > On 2021 Jul 02, Ant wrote
> > (in article<bZGdnUE8CMjNDkL9...@earthlink.com>):
> >> In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan<akwo...@zoho.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
> >>> (in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9...@earthlink.com>):
> >>>> It seems I have to do it monthly
> >>>> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> >>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> >>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
> >>
> >> > I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt
> >> > the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install
> >> > usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is
> >> > usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.
> >>
> >> > Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
> >> > with a search?
> >>
> >> Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents.
> >> Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(
> >
> > Ah...
> >
> > 1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
> >
> > 2 check your system; Spotlight isn???t supposed to lose files unless
> > On 2021 Jul 02, Ant wrote
> > (in article<bZGdnUE8CMjNDkL9...@earthlink.com>):
> >> In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan<akwo...@zoho.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
> >>> (in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9...@earthlink.com>):
> >>>> It seems I have to do it monthly
> >>>> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> >>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> >>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
> >>
> >> > I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt
> >> > the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install
> >> > usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is
> >> > usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.
> >>
> >> > Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
> >> > with a search?
> >>
> >> Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents.
> >> Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(
> >
> > Ah...
> >
> > 1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
> >
> > there???s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.
> >
> > 3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy
> > Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC
> > or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have
> > significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both
> > backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a
> > full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a
> > reformat and restore should fix it. Unless there???s a hardware problem, and
> > 3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy
> > Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC
> > or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have
> > significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both
> > backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a
> > full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a
> > you need a new drive.
> >
> > Having to rebuild the Spotlight index all the time is not normal. It???s a
> >
> > sign that your volume has a problem. Fix the problem, not the symptom.
> Yep. Something is definitely wrong.
Yeah, I need to figure out what is wrong since it happened again late
last night after reindexing a few days ago. It was not finding all
matched Office documents in Documents folder (almost 1,700 files and 16
GB). 2020 Intel MacBook Pro's Disk Utility app found nothing wrong.
Reboot didn't help. :(
Ant
Jul 4, 2021, 4:18:49 AM7/4/21
to
In comp.sys.mac.apps Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2021-07-03, Wolffan <akwo...@zoho.com> wrote:
> > On 2021 Jul 02, Ant wrote
> > (in article<bZGdnUE8CMjNDkL9...@earthlink.com>):
> >> In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan<akwo...@zoho.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
> >>> (in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9...@earthlink.com>):
> >>>> It seems I have to do it monthly
> >>>> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> >>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> >>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
> >>
> >> > I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt
> >> > the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install
> >> > usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is
> >> > usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.
> >>
> >> > Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
> >> > with a search?
> >>
> >> Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents.
> >> Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(
> >
> > Ah...
> >
> > 1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
> >
> > 2 check your system; Spotlight isn???t supposed to lose files unless
> > On 2021 Jul 02, Ant wrote
> > (in article<bZGdnUE8CMjNDkL9...@earthlink.com>):
> >> In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan<akwo...@zoho.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
> >>> (in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9...@earthlink.com>):
> >>>> It seems I have to do it monthly
> >>>> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> >>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> >>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
> >>
> >> > I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt
> >> > the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install
> >> > usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is
> >> > usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.
> >>
> >> > Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
> >> > with a search?
> >>
> >> Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents.
> >> Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(
> >
> > Ah...
> >
> > 1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
> >
> > there???s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.
> >
> > 3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy
> > Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC
> > or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have
> > significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both
> > backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a
> > full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a
> > reformat and restore should fix it. Unless there???s a hardware problem, and
> > 3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy
> > Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC
> > or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have
> > significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both
> > backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a
> > full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a
> > you need a new drive.
> >
> > Having to rebuild the Spotlight index all the time is not normal. It???s a
> >
> > sign that your volume has a problem. Fix the problem, not the symptom.
> Yep. Something is definitely wrong.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/obzjzz/how_often_do_you_rebuild_your_macos_big_sur_v11s/h3r287c/ has the same issue. The user says reboot fixes it, but not for my client and me.
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 4, 2021, 6:13:55 PM7/4/21
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Aha.
Another wannabe.
el
Another wannabe.
el
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 4, 2021, 6:15:21 PM7/4/21
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My understanding is that Sftware Update doesn't work if you
remove Applications from SPolight.
el
On 2021-07-03 21:59 , TimS wrote:
remove Applications from SPolight.
el
On 2021-07-03 21:59 , TimS wrote:
> On 03 Jul 2021 at 20:43:57 BST, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nos...@lisse.NA> wrote:
>
>> Leave the Applications enabled or you loose the Software Update, unless
>> this is not a required feature.
>
>
>> Leave the Applications enabled or you loose the Software Update, unless
>> this is not a required feature.
>
Alan Baker
Jul 4, 2021, 6:18:37 PM7/4/21
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On 2021-07-04 3:15 p.m., Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
> My understanding is that Sftware Update doesn't work if you
> remove Applications from SPolight.
Your understanding based on...
> My understanding is that Sftware Update doesn't work if you
> remove Applications from SPolight.
...what?
Dr Eberhard Lisse
Jul 5, 2021, 5:00:02 AM7/5/21
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Having removed Applications from Spotlight.
el
--
To email me replace 'nospam' with 'el'
el
To email me replace 'nospam' with 'el'
J Burns
Jul 5, 2021, 4:46:14 PM7/5/21
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On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
> It seems I have to do it monthly
> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
>
> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
>
Now that I read your message again, it rings a bell. Years ago, I
> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
>
> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
>
started using OpenOffice. The default for text files is .ODT.
I discovered that Spotlight wouldn't always find ODT files whose content
contained the search term. For some reason, if I rebuilt Spotlight, it
would show some of the ODT files with the term.
I used to know how to view the components of an ODT file. I wish I knew
how to do it now. It saves the text as a ZIP file. DOCX also uses ZIP.
Evidently, Spotlight normally ignores ZIP files.
For years, I hoped this would be fixed in an OS update. If Apple hasn't
fixed it, I should.
Will EasyFind search contents of ZIP files? If there's no way to search
them, I need to convert ODT files to another format. What's a good
searchable format for word processor documents?
Alan Baker
Jul 5, 2021, 5:03:55 PM7/5/21
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confirm this with the following terminal command:
/usr/bin/mdimport -L
, which lists available importers and included in this list should be:
"/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.
mdimporter"'
<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7484775>
And running "mdimport -L" on my own system shows:
'"/Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter",
Alan Baker
Jul 5, 2021, 5:07:12 PM7/5/21
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On 2021-07-05 1:59 a.m., Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
> Having removed Applications from Spotlight.
How did you remove Applications from Spotlight...
> Having removed Applications from Spotlight.
...and for goodness sake... ...WHY?
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 5, 2021, 7:05:43 PM7/5/21
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Klicking it off in System Preferences -> Spotlight -> Search Results
Experimenting.
el
On 2021-07-05 23:07 , Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-07-05 1:59 a.m., Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
>> Having removed Applications from Spotlight.
>
> How did you remove Applications from Spotlight...
>
> ...and for goodness sake... ...WHY?
Alan Baker
Jul 5, 2021, 7:07:53 PM7/5/21
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...or did you just read it on the internet?
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 5, 2021, 7:26:01 PM7/5/21
to
The words Klicking and Experimenting would imply I actually did that.
A few years (OS versions ago). SInce then I turn everything but Applications
off.
el
A few years (OS versions ago). SInce then I turn everything but Applications
off.
el
Alan Baker
Jul 5, 2021, 8:19:43 PM7/5/21
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On 2021-07-05 4:25 p.m., Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
> The words Klicking and Experimenting would imply I actually did that.
And the fact that you didn't answer directly would suggest that you didn't.
> The words Klicking and Experimenting would imply I actually did that.
b...@ripco.com
Jul 6, 2021, 6:01:56 AM7/6/21
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Alan Baker <notony...@no.no.no.no> wrote:
> And did you actually see that it wouldn't find updates...
>
> ...or did you just read it on the internet?
He's not correct anyways.
> And did you actually see that it wouldn't find updates...
>
> ...or did you just read it on the internet?
I've had everything (yes, everything) deselected in Spotlight for the past
few years and I still get periodic software update notifications.
Turning everything off only disables the command-spacebar search from doing
anything, which is fine because I never found a practical use for that and
really only need to find file names, which still works fine with the finder
search.
-bruce
b...@ripco.com
Dr Eberhard Lisse
Jul 6, 2021, 6:41:03 AM7/6/21
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OS or Apps?
el
el
nospam
Jul 6, 2021, 7:24:42 AM7/6/21
to
In article <sc19mh$su7$1...@remote6hme0.ripco.com>, <b...@ripco.com> wrote:
> > And did you actually see that it wouldn't find updates...
> >
> > ...or did you just read it on the internet?
>
>
> He's not correct anyways.
no surprise there. he's quite clueless.
> > And did you actually see that it wouldn't find updates...
> >
> > ...or did you just read it on the internet?
>
>
> He's not correct anyways.
> I've had everything (yes, everything) deselected in Spotlight for the past
> few years and I still get periodic software update notifications.
disabling spotlight entirely will cause problems.
Dr Eberhard Lisse
Jul 6, 2021, 10:23:46 AM7/6/21
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Clue thy name is nospam...
el
el
Dr Eberhard Lisse
Jul 6, 2021, 10:36:28 AM7/6/21
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From
https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/change-spotlight-preferences-mchlp2811/mac
[...]
Important: If you exclude certain files and folders you may not be
notified when updates become available for some apps. If you
exclude your entire internal disk, you won’t be notified about any
updates.
[...]
https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/change-spotlight-preferences-mchlp2811/mac
[...]
Important: If you exclude certain files and folders you may not be
notified when updates become available for some apps. If you
exclude your entire internal disk, you won’t be notified about any
updates.
[...]
b...@ripco.com
Jul 6, 2021, 11:44:16 AM7/6/21
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Dr Eberhard Lisse <nos...@lisse.na> wrote:
> [...]
> Important: If you exclude certain files and folders you may not be
> notified when updates become available for some apps. If you
> exclude your entire internal disk, you won?t be notified about any
> [...]
> Important: If you exclude certain files and folders you may not be
> notified when updates become available for some apps. If you
> updates.
> [...]
That isn't the same thing you brought up before...
Klicking it off in System Preferences -> Spotlight -> Search Results
System Preferences -> Spotlight -> Privacy
In my Search Results panel I have everything clicked off. But I do not
exclude the boot drive from the Privacy panel.
Thus to answer the earlier question, I can only vouch for apps, when
there is a new version I get the dot in the App Store icon and a "stuck"
notification in the upper right hand side saying "new versions..blah..blah).
No clue about the OS updates, my daily driver is stuck at High Sierra and I
don't remember if they pushed a notification on something that can't be
updated. I don't think so.
-bruce
b...@ripco.com
Alan Baker
Jul 6, 2021, 12:41:19 PM7/6/21
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On 2021-07-06 7:36 a.m., Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
> From
>
> https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/change-spotlight-preferences-mchlp2811/mac
>
>
> [...]
> Important: If you exclude certain files and folders you may not be
> notified when updates become available for some apps. If you
> exclude your entire internal disk, you won’t be notified about any
> updates.
> [...]
As I thought: you read it on the internet.
> From
>
> https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/change-spotlight-preferences-mchlp2811/mac
>
>
> [...]
> Important: If you exclude certain files and folders you may not be
> notified when updates become available for some apps. If you
> exclude your entire internal disk, you won’t be notified about any
> updates.
> [...]
That is if you add certain folders in the PRIVACY tab.
NOT remove the category from Search Results.
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 6, 2021, 6:39:42 PM7/6/21
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Yada, yada, yada...
quite lame actually.
el
On 2021-07-06 18:41 , Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-07-06 7:36 a.m., Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
>> From
>>
>> https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/change-spotlight-preferences-mchlp2811/mac
>>
>> [...]
>> Important: If you exclude certain files and folders you may not be
>> notified when updates become available for some apps. If you
>> exclude your entire internal disk, you won’t be notified about any
>> updates.
>> [...]
>
> As I thought: you read it on the internet.
>
> That is if you add certain folders in the PRIVACY tab.
>
> NOT remove the category from Search Results.
[...]
quite lame actually.
el
On 2021-07-06 18:41 , Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-07-06 7:36 a.m., Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
>> From
>>
>> https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/change-spotlight-preferences-mchlp2811/mac
>>
>> [...]
>> Important: If you exclude certain files and folders you may not be
>> notified when updates become available for some apps. If you
>> exclude your entire internal disk, you won’t be notified about any
>> updates.
>> [...]
>
> As I thought: you read it on the internet.
>
> That is if you add certain folders in the PRIVACY tab.
>
> NOT remove the category from Search Results.
Alan Baker
Jul 6, 2021, 6:50:24 PM7/6/21
to
On 2021-07-06 3:39 p.m., Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
> Yada, yada, yada...
>
> quite lame actually.
I notice you don't actually deny that I accurately described what you did...
> Yada, yada, yada...
>
> quite lame actually.
...and the article that you excerpted the part of the article that
explicitly said that the information you provided pertained solely to
using the option exclude certain files and folders.
"Privacy options
Option [actually column 1]
Description [actually column 2]
Option:
List of locations
Description:
Locations on your Mac excluded from Spotlight searches.
Option:
Add+
Description:
To exclude a location from Spotlight searches, click the Add button ,
then select a folder or disk. You can also drag folders or disks into
the list.
If you exclude a Time Machine backup disk, you will continue to see
messages that Spotlight is indexing it. This indexing is necessary for
Time Machine to function properly and can’t be disabled. Spotlight does
exclude from searches items stored on the backup disk that are not part
of a Time Machine backup."
Then your text is the next paragraph of the "Add+" option.
Dr Eberhard Lisse
Jul 7, 2021, 5:59:36 AM7/7/21
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Your childish meta-discussion about the exegesis of posts made or not
made is boring. Or perhaps, your boring meta-discussion about the
exegesis of posts made or not made is childish.
Point is, that if one turns off Spotlight one may lose Update
notifications.
And further point is, that if one clicks off everything but Applications
(and perhaps also the home directory), this should conserve Updates
while taking much less time and resources for the indexing (which is
what bothers most most as it can slow down the machine). The size of
the index doesn't matter these days much any more.
el
On 07/07/2021 00:50, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-07-06 3:39 p.m., Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
>> Yada, yada, yada...
>>
>> quite lame actually.
>
> I notice you don't actually deny that I accurately described what you
> did...
>
> ...and the article that you excerpted the part of the article that
> explicitly said that the information you provided pertained solely to
> using the option exclude certain files and folders.
[...]
made is boring. Or perhaps, your boring meta-discussion about the
exegesis of posts made or not made is childish.
Point is, that if one turns off Spotlight one may lose Update
notifications.
And further point is, that if one clicks off everything but Applications
(and perhaps also the home directory), this should conserve Updates
while taking much less time and resources for the indexing (which is
what bothers most most as it can slow down the machine). The size of
the index doesn't matter these days much any more.
el
On 07/07/2021 00:50, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-07-06 3:39 p.m., Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
>> Yada, yada, yada...
>>
>> quite lame actually.
>
> I notice you don't actually deny that I accurately described what you
> did...
>
> ...and the article that you excerpted the part of the article that
> explicitly said that the information you provided pertained solely to
> using the option exclude certain files and folders.
Alan Baker
Jul 7, 2021, 10:45:28 AM7/7/21
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On 2021-07-07 2:59 a.m., Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
> Your childish meta-discussion about the exegesis of posts made or not
> made is boring. Or perhaps, your boring meta-discussion about the
> exegesis of posts made or not made is childish.
>
>
> Point is, that if one turns off Spotlight one may lose Update
> notifications.
Nope.
> Your childish meta-discussion about the exegesis of posts made or not
> made is boring. Or perhaps, your boring meta-discussion about the
> exegesis of posts made or not made is childish.
>
>
> Point is, that if one turns off Spotlight one may lose Update
> notifications.
The point is that you claimed to do one thing, but then your posted
article was about another.
I guess that's why you once again snipped the information I provided
that showed that.
>
> And further point is, that if one clicks off everything but Applications
> (and perhaps also the home directory), this should conserve Updates
> while taking much less time and resources for the indexing (which is
> what bothers most most as it can slow down the machine). The size of
> the index doesn't matter these days much any more.
almost no time at all.
Another thing you clearly don't understand.
Dr Eberhard Lisse
Jul 8, 2021, 5:26:03 AM7/8/21
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Yeah, whatever.
el
el
Ant
Jul 9, 2021, 3:23:29 AM7/9/21
to
...
forgot to mention this is in a standard level account (not admin.).
--
Go LA (NBA)! Oh wait... It had been over a year... Will 2021 repeat 2020? :(
> > > Having to rebuild the Spotlight index all the time is not normal. It???s a
> > > sign that your volume has a problem. Fix the problem, not the symptom.
> > Yep. Something is definitely wrong.
> Yeah, I need to figure out what is wrong since it happened again late
> last night after reindexing a few days ago. It was not finding all
> matched Office documents in Documents folder (almost 1,700 files and 16
> GB). 2020 Intel MacBook Pro's Disk Utility app found nothing wrong.
> Reboot didn't help. :(
And again last night. Is there a Spotlight log somewhere in macOS? I
> > > sign that your volume has a problem. Fix the problem, not the symptom.
> > Yep. Something is definitely wrong.
> Yeah, I need to figure out what is wrong since it happened again late
> last night after reindexing a few days ago. It was not finding all
> matched Office documents in Documents folder (almost 1,700 files and 16
> GB). 2020 Intel MacBook Pro's Disk Utility app found nothing wrong.
> Reboot didn't help. :(
forgot to mention this is in a standard level account (not admin.).
--
Go LA (NBA)! Oh wait... It had been over a year... Will 2021 repeat 2020? :(
Ant
Jul 9, 2021, 3:27:04 AM7/9/21
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In comp.sys.mac.software Wolffan <akwo...@zoho.com> wrote:
...
images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
listen. :(
> 2 check your system; Spotlight isn???t supposed to lose files unless
> there???s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.
Disk Utility app found no problems in SSD and all of its default partitions.
> 3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy
> Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC
> or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have
> significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both
> backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a
> full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a
> reformat and restore should fix it. Unless there???s a hardware problem, and
> you need a new drive.
We will try that when it's really bad. We do use Time Machine with
external HDDs. I am sure the physical SSD is fine. I wonder if the
Chinese documents, since Windows 98 days, are messing up Spotlight
index.
...
> Ah...
> 1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
> 1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
listen. :(
> 2 check your system; Spotlight isn???t supposed to lose files unless
> there???s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.
> 3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy
> Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC
> or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have
> significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both
> backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a
> full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a
> reformat and restore should fix it. Unless there???s a hardware problem, and
> you need a new drive.
external HDDs. I am sure the physical SSD is fine. I wonder if the
Chinese documents, since Windows 98 days, are messing up Spotlight
index.
Lewis
Jul 9, 2021, 9:07:06 AM7/9/21
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In message <9f-dncK4gdGiZ3r9...@earthlink.com> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.software Wolffan <akwo...@zoho.com> wrote:
> ...
>> Ah...
>> 1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
> My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
> images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
> listen. :(
He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
> In comp.sys.mac.software Wolffan <akwo...@zoho.com> wrote:
> ...
>> Ah...
>> 1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
> My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
> images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
> listen. :(
organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data
into a single folder if that is what works for you.
The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and
slow-downs.
Despite the advice, using sub folders will not make the slightest impact
on Spotlight.
>> 2 check your system; Spotlight isn???t supposed to lose files unless
>> there???s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.
> Disk Utility app found no problems in SSD and all of its default partitions.
files that seem to be the issue.
> We will try that when it's really bad. We do use Time Machine with
> external HDDs. I am sure the physical SSD is fine. I wonder if the
> Chinese documents, since Windows 98 days, are messing up Spotlight
> index.
--
You'd be a very high-level X-Men like Emma Frost's Diamond Form.
nospam
Jul 9, 2021, 9:15:01 AM7/9/21
to
In article <slrnsegifm....@m1mini.local>, Lewis
panther/10.3 (don't remember exactly when) and macs which had
relatively small amounts of memory.
<g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> > My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
> > images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
> > listen. :(
>
> He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
> organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data
> into a single folder if that is what works for you.
>
> The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
> where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and
> slow-downs.
that hasn't been an issue since at least as far back as tiger/10.4 or
> > My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
> > images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
> > listen. :(
>
> He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
> organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data
> into a single folder if that is what works for you.
>
> The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
> where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and
> slow-downs.
panther/10.3 (don't remember exactly when) and macs which had
relatively small amounts of memory.
Ant
Jul 9, 2021, 3:55:14 PM7/9/21
to
In comp.sys.mac.apps Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> In message <9f-dncK4gdGiZ3r9...@earthlink.com> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> > In comp.sys.mac.software Wolffan <akwo...@zoho.com> wrote:
> > ...
> >> Ah...
> >> 1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
> > My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
> > images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
> > listen. :(
> He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
> organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data
> into a single folder if that is what works for you.
> The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
> where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and
> slow-downs.
He doesn't stuff everything into his desktop for sure since he gets confused with his cluttered desktop. :)
> In message <9f-dncK4gdGiZ3r9...@earthlink.com> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> > In comp.sys.mac.software Wolffan <akwo...@zoho.com> wrote:
> > ...
> >> Ah...
> >> 1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.
> > My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
> > images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
> > listen. :(
> He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
> organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data
> into a single folder if that is what works for you.
> The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
> where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and
> slow-downs.
> Despite the advice, using sub folders will not make the slightest impact
> on Spotlight.
> >> 2 check your system; Spotlight isn???t supposed to lose files unless
> >> there???s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.
> > Disk Utility app found no problems in SSD and all of its default partitions.
> I suspect the issue it the Office.mdimporter file, since it is office
> files that seem to be the issue.
http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=2009100219405524,
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_outlook-mso_mac-mso_mac2011/outlook-2011-spotlight-not-working-mud-folder/3f7a8a3b-143e-472e-838f-c269da4f70e2.
etc. (outdated though), /Library has Spotlight, but there is no
Spotlight subdirectory. I also checked local ~/Library). I forgot to
mention that Office is v16.50 (365 subscription from USC.edu).
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7368240 mentioned putting HD (SSD
in my case) into Spotlight's preferences' privacy tab to remove all and
reindex all beside ~/Documents. Now, I need to wait for Spotlight to
reindex ALL datas in this account. :(
> > We will try that when it's really bad. We do use Time Machine with
> > external HDDs. I am sure the physical SSD is fine. I wonder if the
> > Chinese documents, since Windows 98 days, are messing up Spotlight
> > index.
> That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.
reindexing all of my client's datas doesn't work?
Lewis
Jul 9, 2021, 6:50:15 PM7/9/21
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In message <Pq-dnavmp5EHNHX9...@earthlink.com> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.apps Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>> That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.
> So, what should I try with it? What do I run in Terminal with it if
> reindexing all of my client's datas doesn't work?
I have no advice on that as I do not use MS Word at all and have not for
> In comp.sys.mac.apps Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>> That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.
> So, what should I try with it? What do I run in Terminal with it if
> reindexing all of my client's datas doesn't work?
many many years. My word processing needs are nearly-non existent, and
for the few documents I need to "word process" I will generally use
Pages, or if it is simple, markdown -> HMTL.
I *detest* all versions of Word after 5.1 (Mac), and that version does
not run on any OS in the last 20+ years.
--
Yeah, Nick. Nick's the kinda guy you can trust. Nick's your buddy
Nick's the kinda guy you drink beers with. The kinda guy that
doesn't care if you puke in his car. Nick.
Lewis
Jul 9, 2021, 6:51:23 PM7/9/21
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it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.
--
"Alas, earwax."
nospam
Jul 9, 2021, 7:25:39 PM7/9/21
to
In article <slrnsehkn7....@m1mini.local>, Lewis
the problem with desktop icons in early versions of mac os x was that
each icon was implemented as a small window, which has its own backing
store. that's a lot of memory for simply having an icon on the desktop.
since macs back then didn't have much memory and the the cpus had to
redraw each 'window', things quickly became sluggish. those who had a
lot of desktop icons ended up thrashing fairly quickly, and adding to
that, hard drives back then weren't that fast.
but as i said, that hasn't been a problem since at least 10.3 or 10.4.
<g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> >> > My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
> >> > images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
> >> > listen. :(
> >>
> >> He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
> >> organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data
> >> into a single folder if that is what works for you.
> >>
> >> The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
> >> where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and
> >> slow-downs.
>
> > that hasn't been an issue since at least as far back as tiger/10.4 or
> > panther/10.3 (don't remember exactly when) and macs which had
> > relatively small amounts of memory.
>
> I thought I remembered someone having issues in Lion in this group, but
> it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.
thousands of files in *any* folder is going to cause problems.
> >> > My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
> >> > images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
> >> > listen. :(
> >>
> >> He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
> >> organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data
> >> into a single folder if that is what works for you.
> >>
> >> The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
> >> where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and
> >> slow-downs.
>
> > that hasn't been an issue since at least as far back as tiger/10.4 or
> > panther/10.3 (don't remember exactly when) and macs which had
> > relatively small amounts of memory.
>
> I thought I remembered someone having issues in Lion in this group, but
> it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.
the problem with desktop icons in early versions of mac os x was that
each icon was implemented as a small window, which has its own backing
store. that's a lot of memory for simply having an icon on the desktop.
since macs back then didn't have much memory and the the cpus had to
redraw each 'window', things quickly became sluggish. those who had a
lot of desktop icons ended up thrashing fairly quickly, and adding to
that, hard drives back then weren't that fast.
but as i said, that hasn't been a problem since at least 10.3 or 10.4.
Ant
Jul 10, 2021, 12:41:09 AM7/10/21
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In comp.sys.mac.software Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> In message <Pq-dnavmp5EHNHX9...@earthlink.com> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> > In comp.sys.mac.apps Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> >> That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.
> > So, what should I try with it? What do I run in Terminal with it if
> > reindexing all of my client's datas doesn't work?
> I have no advice on that as I do not use MS Word at all and have not for
> many many years. My word processing needs are nearly-non existent, and
> for the few documents I need to "word process" I will generally use
> Pages, or if it is simple, markdown -> HMTL.
> I *detest* all versions of Word after 5.1 (Mac), and that version does
> not run on any OS in the last 20+ years.
Alright. Thanks anyways! At least, you gave more ideas. :)
> In message <Pq-dnavmp5EHNHX9...@earthlink.com> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> > In comp.sys.mac.apps Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> >> That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.
> > So, what should I try with it? What do I run in Terminal with it if
> > reindexing all of my client's datas doesn't work?
> I have no advice on that as I do not use MS Word at all and have not for
> many many years. My word processing needs are nearly-non existent, and
> for the few documents I need to "word process" I will generally use
> Pages, or if it is simple, markdown -> HMTL.
> I *detest* all versions of Word after 5.1 (Mac), and that version does
> not run on any OS in the last 20+ years.
Ant
Jul 10, 2021, 12:49:31 AM7/10/21
to
In comp.sys.mac.software Ant <a...@zimage.comant> wrote:
...
used/1.64 TB free). I noticed Spotlight's searches revealed way more
search hits in "HD". Documents folder's results were the same. Let's
hope this stays this way and not miss any like before.
...
> mention that Office is v16.50 (365 subscription from USC.edu).
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7368240 mentioned putting HD (SSD
> in my case) into Spotlight's preferences' privacy tab to remove all and
> reindex all beside ~/Documents. Now, I need to wait for Spotlight to
> reindex ALL datas in this account. :(
OK, it looks like Spotlight reindexed the whole 2 TB SSD (.36 TB
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7368240 mentioned putting HD (SSD
> in my case) into Spotlight's preferences' privacy tab to remove all and
> reindex all beside ~/Documents. Now, I need to wait for Spotlight to
> reindex ALL datas in this account. :(
used/1.64 TB free). I noticed Spotlight's searches revealed way more
search hits in "HD". Documents folder's results were the same. Let's
hope this stays this way and not miss any like before.
Lewis
Jul 10, 2021, 10:42:51 AM7/10/21
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In message <090720211925359730%nos...@nospam.invalid> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnsehkn7....@m1mini.local>, Lewis
> <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>> >> > My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
>> >> > images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
>> >> > listen. :(
>> >>
>> >> He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
>> >> organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data
>> >> into a single folder if that is what works for you.
>> >>
>> >> The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
>> >> where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and
>> >> slow-downs.
>>
>> > that hasn't been an issue since at least as far back as tiger/10.4 or
>> > panther/10.3 (don't remember exactly when) and macs which had
>> > relatively small amounts of memory.
>>
>> I thought I remembered someone having issues in Lion in this group, but
>> it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.
> thousands of files in *any* folder is going to cause problems.
Not on a modern machine/OS it doesn't. There are 37,336 files in a
> In article <slrnsehkn7....@m1mini.local>, Lewis
> <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>> >> > My elder client loves to stuff everything in ~/Documents including
>> >> > images, audios, and videos. I told him not to do that. He doesn't
>> >> > listen. :(
>> >>
>> >> He's right. There is no reason other than one's own sense of
>> >> organization, tp specialize folders. You can certainly put all your data
>> >> into a single folder if that is what works for you.
>> >>
>> >> The main exception was, though I think no longer is, the Desktop folder
>> >> where having too many items on it would cause various annoyances and
>> >> slow-downs.
>>
>> > that hasn't been an issue since at least as far back as tiger/10.4 or
>> > panther/10.3 (don't remember exactly when) and macs which had
>> > relatively small amounts of memory.
>>
>> I thought I remembered someone having issues in Lion in this group, but
>> it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.
> thousands of files in *any* folder is going to cause problems.
single folder in my Documents folder. The only issue is that the first
time I open that folder, it takes about 10-20 seconds to load the Finder
window.
--
> I miss the old days. I haven't killed anyone in years.
>
That's sad.
nospam
Jul 10, 2021, 2:32:24 PM7/10/21
to
In article <slrnsejcf8....@m1mini.local>, Lewis
<g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> >> I thought I remembered someone having issues in Lion in this group, but
> >> it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.
>
> > thousands of files in *any* folder is going to cause problems.
>
> Not on a modern machine/OS it doesn't. There are 37,336 files in a
> single folder in my Documents folder. The only issue is that the first
> time I open that folder, it takes about 10-20 seconds to load the Finder
> window.
10-20 seconds to open a window would be considered to be a problem.
> >> I thought I remembered someone having issues in Lion in this group, but
> >> it was thousands of files on the desktop. I could be misremembering.
>
> > thousands of files in *any* folder is going to cause problems.
>
> Not on a modern machine/OS it doesn't. There are 37,336 files in a
> single folder in my Documents folder. The only issue is that the first
> time I open that folder, it takes about 10-20 seconds to load the Finder
> window.
Lewis
Jul 10, 2021, 2:57:34 PM7/10/21
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has 37,336 files in it. Also, it is probably less as I did not time it,
and waiting on a screen to load always feels much longer than it is. The
second time I opened it it had 37,347 files in it and it opened instantly.
--
Mister Teatime had a truly brilliant mind, but it was brilliant like
a fractured mirror, all marvelous facets and rainbows but,
ultimately, also something that was broken. --Hogfather
Dr Eberhard W Lisse
Jul 10, 2021, 4:18:00 PM7/10/21
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It's not the opening of the Window but the generation of the icons
that takes the time.
el
that takes the time.
el
Lewis
Jul 12, 2021, 9:33:36 AM7/12/21
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In message <super70s-C8105C...@reader02.eternal-september.org> super70s <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnsehkl4....@m1mini.local>,
> Tiger.
No, you can run 5.1 in a MacOS 9 CLASSIC environment running under
Tiger, and Classic is running a previous century OS (possibly with a
couple of updates) released in this millennium.
So no, Word 5.1 cannot run on any OS in the last 22 years (MacOS 9 was
released in 1999).
Other than an April 1 issue of TidBITS back in 2003, there was never a
versions of Word 5.1 for Mac OS X.
--
>>Trying?
>if you quote yoda, i swear upon everything holy that i will book a
> flight to okinawa to kick your ass.
> In article <slrnsehkl4....@m1mini.local>,
> Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>> In message <Pq-dnavmp5EHNHX9...@earthlink.com> Ant
>> <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>> > In comp.sys.mac.apps Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>> >> That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.
>>
>> > So, what should I try with it? What do I run in Terminal with it if
>> > reindexing all of my client's datas doesn't work?
>>
>> I have no advice on that as I do not use MS Word at all and have not for
>> many many years. My word processing needs are nearly-non existent, and
>> for the few documents I need to "word process" I will generally use
>> Pages, or if it is simple, markdown -> HMTL.
>>
>> I *detest* all versions of Word after 5.1 (Mac), and that version does
>> not run on any OS in the last 20+ years.
> I can run 5.1 and 11.6.1 (part of Office 2004) on my old PowerPC G4 with
>> In message <Pq-dnavmp5EHNHX9...@earthlink.com> Ant
>> <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>> > In comp.sys.mac.apps Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>> >> That makes me suspect the Office.mdimporter even more.
>>
>> > So, what should I try with it? What do I run in Terminal with it if
>> > reindexing all of my client's datas doesn't work?
>>
>> I have no advice on that as I do not use MS Word at all and have not for
>> many many years. My word processing needs are nearly-non existent, and
>> for the few documents I need to "word process" I will generally use
>> Pages, or if it is simple, markdown -> HMTL.
>>
>> I *detest* all versions of Word after 5.1 (Mac), and that version does
>> not run on any OS in the last 20+ years.
> Tiger.
No, you can run 5.1 in a MacOS 9 CLASSIC environment running under
Tiger, and Classic is running a previous century OS (possibly with a
couple of updates) released in this millennium.
So no, Word 5.1 cannot run on any OS in the last 22 years (MacOS 9 was
released in 1999).
Other than an April 1 issue of TidBITS back in 2003, there was never a
versions of Word 5.1 for Mac OS X.
--
>>Trying?
>if you quote yoda, i swear upon everything holy that i will book a
> flight to okinawa to kick your ass.
J Burns
Jul 16, 2021, 2:27:28 PM7/16/21
to
On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-07-05 1:46 p.m., J Burns wrote:
>> On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
>>> It seems I have to do it monthly
>>> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
>>>
>>> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
>>>
>> Now that I read your message again, it rings a bell. Years ago, I
>> started using OpenOffice. The default for text files is .ODT.
>>
>> I discovered that Spotlight wouldn't always find ODT files whose
>> content contained the search term. For some reason, if I rebuilt
>> Spotlight, it would show some of the ODT files with the term.
>>
>> I used to know how to view the components of an ODT file. I wish I
>> knew how to do it now. It saves the text as a ZIP file. DOCX also
>> uses ZIP. Evidently, Spotlight normally ignores ZIP files.
>>
>> For years, I hoped this would be fixed in an OS update. If Apple
>> hasn't fixed it, I should.
>>
>> Will EasyFind search contents of ZIP files? If there's no way to
>> search them, I need to convert ODT files to another format. What's a
>> good searchable format for word processor documents?
>
> 'LibreOffice comes with a Spotlight importer in its bundle. You can
> confirm this with the following terminal command:
>
>
> /usr/bin/mdimport -L
>
>
> , which lists available importers and included in this list should be:
>
>
>
> "/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.
> mdimporter"'
>
> <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7484775>
>
> And running "mdimport -L" on my own system shows:
>
> '"/Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter",
>
>
Darn! I got distracted and just now remembered that I'd posted a question!
When I ask Terminal for a list, the two Applications importers are
Thunderbird and LibreOffice.
Under Applications in the Finder, when I check the Contents of
LibreOffice and OpenOffice, each has its importer in Libraries. I
wonder why the OpenOffice importer doesn't show up in /user/bin.
> On 2021-07-05 1:46 p.m., J Burns wrote:
>> On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
>>> It seems I have to do it monthly
>>> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
>>>
>>> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
>>>
>> Now that I read your message again, it rings a bell. Years ago, I
>> started using OpenOffice. The default for text files is .ODT.
>>
>> I discovered that Spotlight wouldn't always find ODT files whose
>> content contained the search term. For some reason, if I rebuilt
>> Spotlight, it would show some of the ODT files with the term.
>>
>> I used to know how to view the components of an ODT file. I wish I
>> knew how to do it now. It saves the text as a ZIP file. DOCX also
>> uses ZIP. Evidently, Spotlight normally ignores ZIP files.
>>
>> For years, I hoped this would be fixed in an OS update. If Apple
>> hasn't fixed it, I should.
>>
>> Will EasyFind search contents of ZIP files? If there's no way to
>> search them, I need to convert ODT files to another format. What's a
>> good searchable format for word processor documents?
>
> 'LibreOffice comes with a Spotlight importer in its bundle. You can
> confirm this with the following terminal command:
>
>
> /usr/bin/mdimport -L
>
>
> , which lists available importers and included in this list should be:
>
>
>
> "/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.
> mdimporter"'
>
> <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7484775>
>
> And running "mdimport -L" on my own system shows:
>
> '"/Applications/OpenOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter",
>
>
Darn! I got distracted and just now remembered that I'd posted a question!
When I ask Terminal for a list, the two Applications importers are
Thunderbird and LibreOffice.
Under Applications in the Finder, when I check the Contents of
LibreOffice and OpenOffice, each has its importer in Libraries. I
wonder why the OpenOffice importer doesn't show up in /user/bin.
J Burns
Jul 26, 2021, 3:36:38 PM7/26/21
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On 7/16/21 3:28 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
> Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you did see
> an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?
Yes.
"/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter",
"/Applications/Thunderbird.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/thunderbird.mdimporter"
>
>> Under Applications in the Finder, when I check the Contents of
>> LibreOffice and OpenOffice, each has its importer in Libraries. I
>> wonder why the OpenOffice importer doesn't show up in /user/bin.
>
> Importers aren't in /usr/bin - that's where the mdimport tools is
> installed. Importers are typically installed in one of the "Library"
> directories or inside of application bundles.
>
In the Open Office application bundle, in the Spotlight folder, I find
OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter
But "mdimport -L" doesn't seem to find it.
Spotlight will find some but not all ODT documents with a certain name
in their content. It looks as if it hasn't seen the content of those
that haven't been opened in years.
Lately, I've been repeatedly sidetracked researching the history of
bicycles.
> On 2021-07-16, J Burns <bu...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-05 1:46 p.m., J Burns wrote:
>>
>> Darn! I got distracted and just now remembered that I'd posted a
>> question!
>
> Well let's see how long it takes you to respond to this...
>> On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-05 1:46 p.m., J Burns wrote:
>>
>> Darn! I got distracted and just now remembered that I'd posted a
>> question!
>
>
>> When I ask Terminal for a list, the two Applications importers are
>> Thunderbird and LibreOffice.
>
> What do you mean by "ask Terminal for a list"?
>> When I ask Terminal for a list, the two Applications importers are
>> Thunderbird and LibreOffice.
>
>
> Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you did see
> an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?
Yes.
"/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter",
"/Applications/Thunderbird.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/thunderbird.mdimporter"
>
>> Under Applications in the Finder, when I check the Contents of
>> LibreOffice and OpenOffice, each has its importer in Libraries. I
>> wonder why the OpenOffice importer doesn't show up in /user/bin.
>
> installed. Importers are typically installed in one of the "Library"
> directories or inside of application bundles.
>
In the Open Office application bundle, in the Spotlight folder, I find
OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter
But "mdimport -L" doesn't seem to find it.
Spotlight will find some but not all ODT documents with a certain name
in their content. It looks as if it hasn't seen the content of those
that haven't been opened in years.
Lately, I've been repeatedly sidetracked researching the history of
bicycles.
Snit
Jul 26, 2021, 3:41:20 PM7/26/21
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On Jul 26, 2021 at 12:36:33 PM MST, "J Burns" wrote
<sdn2s2$tb3$1...@dont-email.me>:
Sounds tiring.
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
<sdn2s2$tb3$1...@dont-email.me>:
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Lewis
Jul 27, 2021, 5:58:11 PM7/27/21
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In message <imaoov...@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> If I had to guess, I'd say this is due to a bug in the LibreOffice
> Spotlight plugin.
A bug in LibreOffice? UNPOSSIBLE! <VBG>
--
Reality is a curve. That's not the problem. The problem is that there
isn't as much as there should be. According to some of the more
mystical texts in the stacks of the library of Unseen University
- (...) - at least nine-tenths of all the original reality ever
created lies outside the multiverse, and since the multiverse by
definition includes absolutely everything that is anything, this
puts a bit of a strain on things. --Moving Pictures
> If I had to guess, I'd say this is due to a bug in the LibreOffice
> Spotlight plugin.
A bug in LibreOffice? UNPOSSIBLE! <VBG>
--
Reality is a curve. That's not the problem. The problem is that there
isn't as much as there should be. According to some of the more
mystical texts in the stacks of the library of Unseen University
- (...) - at least nine-tenths of all the original reality ever
created lies outside the multiverse, and since the multiverse by
definition includes absolutely everything that is anything, this
puts a bit of a strain on things. --Moving Pictures
nospam
Jul 27, 2021, 6:42:41 PM7/27/21
to
In article <slrnsg10bg....@m1mini.local>, Lewis
<g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> > If I had to guess, I'd say this is due to a bug in the LibreOffice
> > Spotlight plugin.
>
> A bug in LibreOffice? UNPOSSIBLE! <VBG>
it's what they do best.
> > If I had to guess, I'd say this is due to a bug in the LibreOffice
> > Spotlight plugin.
>
> A bug in LibreOffice? UNPOSSIBLE! <VBG>
Lewis
Jul 28, 2021, 8:31:14 AM7/28/21
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they are emulating the bugs as well?
--
Moving into the universe And she's drifting this way and that Not
touching the ground at all And she's up above the yard
J Burns
Jul 31, 2021, 10:22:34 AM7/31/21
to
On 7/27/21 11:58 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> I'm confused.
>
> Did you not just above say that "mdimport -L" *did* find it?
>
> I quote:
I use OpenOffice but at some time installed LibreOffice. It seems
"mdimport -L" didn't find the mdimporter in the OpenOffice bundle.
Should I use Appcleaner to get rid of both apps, then reinstall OpenOffice?
>
> Did you not just above say that "mdimport -L" *did* find it?
>
> I quote:
>
>>> Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you did see
>>> an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> "/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter"
>
> What am I missing?
>>> Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you did see
>>> an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> "/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter"
>
I use OpenOffice but at some time installed LibreOffice. It seems
"mdimport -L" didn't find the mdimporter in the OpenOffice bundle.
Should I use Appcleaner to get rid of both apps, then reinstall OpenOffice?
>
>> Spotlight will find some but not all ODT documents with a certain name
>> in their content. It looks as if it hasn't seen the content of those
>> that haven't been opened in years.
>
>> Spotlight will find some but not all ODT documents with a certain name
>> in their content. It looks as if it hasn't seen the content of those
>> that haven't been opened in years.
>
> If I had to guess, I'd say this is due to a bug in the LibreOffice
> Spotlight plugin.
>
> Spotlight plugin.
>
>> Lately, I've been repeatedly sidetracked researching the history of
>> bicycles.
>
> Okay.
>> bicycles.
>
J Burns
Aug 2, 2021, 12:13:18 AM8/2/21
to
On 7/31/21 1:46 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> problems than they solve by deleting things they shouldn't anyway). Just
> reinstall it over what you already have (or drag the app to the trash
> first).
>
I went to Openoffice.org for the latest, and they recommended
Libreoffice. Openoffice.org quit years ago. I was hardly aware that I'd
been using Apache Open Office. They don't seem to have been very busy
since 2014, so there could be an overlooked Spotlight problem.
I'll switch to Libreoffice. There was something I disliked the last time
I tried it, but I don't even remember what.
> On 2021-07-31, J Burns <bu...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On 7/27/21 11:58 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-26, J Burns <bu...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7/16/21 3:28 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-07-16, J Burns <bu...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Importers aren't in /usr/bin - that's where the mdimport tools is
>>>>> installed. Importers are typically installed in one of the
>>>>> "Library" directories or inside of application bundles.
>>>>>
>>>> In the Open Office application bundle, in the Spotlight folder, I
>>>> find OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter
>>>>
>>>> But "mdimport -L" doesn't seem to find it.
>>>
>>> I'm confused.
>>>
>>> Did you not just above say that "mdimport -L" *did* find it?
>>>
>>> I quote:
>>>
>>>>> Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you
>>>>> did see an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> "/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter"
>>>
>>> What am I missing?
>>
>> I use OpenOffice but at some time installed LibreOffice. It seems
>> "mdimport -L" didn't find the mdimporter in the OpenOffice bundle.
>
> Ah - sorry, I missed that distinction.
>> On 7/27/21 11:58 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-26, J Burns <bu...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7/16/21 3:28 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-07-16, J Burns <bu...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/5/21 5:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Importers aren't in /usr/bin - that's where the mdimport tools is
>>>>> installed. Importers are typically installed in one of the
>>>>> "Library" directories or inside of application bundles.
>>>>>
>>>> In the Open Office application bundle, in the Spotlight folder, I
>>>> find OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter
>>>>
>>>> But "mdimport -L" doesn't seem to find it.
>>>
>>> I'm confused.
>>>
>>> Did you not just above say that "mdimport -L" *did* find it?
>>>
>>> I quote:
>>>
>>>>> Are you trying to say you ran "mdimport -L" in Terminal, and you
>>>>> did see an importer for LibreOffice in that listing?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> "/Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/OOoSpotlightImporter.mdimporter"
>>>
>>> What am I missing?
>>
>> I use OpenOffice but at some time installed LibreOffice. It seems
>> "mdimport -L" didn't find the mdimporter in the OpenOffice bundle.
>
>
>> Should I use Appcleaner to get rid of both apps, then reinstall OpenOffice?
>
> I wouldn't think an app cleaner is required (and they often cause more
>> Should I use Appcleaner to get rid of both apps, then reinstall OpenOffice?
>
> problems than they solve by deleting things they shouldn't anyway). Just
> reinstall it over what you already have (or drag the app to the trash
> first).
>
I went to Openoffice.org for the latest, and they recommended
Libreoffice. Openoffice.org quit years ago. I was hardly aware that I'd
been using Apache Open Office. They don't seem to have been very busy
since 2014, so there could be an overlooked Spotlight problem.
I'll switch to Libreoffice. There was something I disliked the last time
I tried it, but I don't even remember what.
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