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histor...@yahoo.com

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Jul 10, 2006, 3:57:00 PM7/10/06
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I am looking to get an external firewire enclosure.
Will I be able to use any DVD driver?

WIll I be about to attach a DVD drive to a 3.5 enclore if I buy an
extension cable and do not mind the looks of having the drive hanging
out?

I once remember a list of supported DVD on Apple.com but I am not able
to find it.

Robert

Mr. Hankey

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Jul 11, 2006, 6:59:39 AM7/11/06
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Please don't quote me- any Firewire hard drive should work on a MAC.
Must be connected via Firewire, not USB.

I have two 250G and one 150G connected by Firewire and have little
difficulty. I do a lot of iMovie projects which uses huge amounts of
disk space. All of my Firewire drives have OSX 4.7 installed so can be
used as "start-up" disks. Personally, I think this preferable, but
others may differ.

Quite often the Firewire disks don't start-up when asked to. First fix
is to turn disk power OFF then ON. Next is to switch power off to ALL ,
turn ON to ALL and restart MAC with power button. Kind of temperamental
like owner !

Hope Helps

Ernie Lee

Hans Aberg

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Jul 11, 2006, 7:17:16 AM7/11/06
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In article <1152561420....@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
histor...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I am looking to get an external firewire enclosure.
> Will I be able to use any DVD driver?
>
> WIll I be about to attach a DVD drive to a 3.5 enclore if I buy an
> extension cable and do not mind the looks of having the drive hanging
> out?

I put an old internal DVD-reader into an old external CD-burner with no
DVD-reading capabilities, and it worked on the Firewire port, but not the
USB port. There seems to be the same internal ATA bus, which does not care
much about what is being hooked up. So you can experiment, though I give
no guarantees!

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Hans Aberg

Hans Aberg

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Jul 11, 2006, 7:24:44 AM7/11/06
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> I am looking to get an external firewire enclosure.
> Will I be able to use any DVD driver?
>
> WIll I be about to attach a DVD drive to a 3.5 enclore if I buy an
> extension cable and do not mind the looks of having the drive hanging
> out?

Otherwise, put the new DVD-drive into the computer where it will work more
efficiently, and experiment with the old one externally. Pioneer DVR-111D
works under Mac OS X.4.7, and you might take down patchburn.de to generate
a burner profile for other OS versions.

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Hans Aberg

Daniel Cohen

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Jul 11, 2006, 4:28:32 PM7/11/06
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Hans Aberg <hab...@math.su.se> wrote:

> Otherwise, put the new DVD-drive into the computer where it will work more
> efficiently, and experiment with the old one externally. Pioneer DVR-111D
> works under Mac OS X.4.7, and you might take down patchburn.de to generate
> a burner profile for other OS versions.

I needed Patchburn for my Pioneer DVR-111 (not 111D) in an external
case.
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Hans Aberg

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Jul 11, 2006, 5:48:46 PM7/11/06
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In article <1hibrbs.muoqsr1cyzddnN%dan...@f2s.com>, d.e....@qmul.ac.uk
(Daniel Cohen) wrote:

> > Otherwise, put the new DVD-drive into the computer where it will work more
> > efficiently, and experiment with the old one externally. Pioneer DVR-111D
> > works under Mac OS X.4.7, and you might take down patchburn.de to generate
> > a burner profile for other OS versions.
>
> I needed Patchburn for my Pioneer DVR-111 (not 111D) in an external
> case.

The D and non-D versions seems to be different in the respect of Apple
support: For DVR-110D it was reported here that it burned under Mac OS
X.4.5 (without Patchburn), and supported under X.4.6 (by checking System
Profiler/Disc Burning/Burn Support). So DVR-111D seems to be under Mac OS
X.4.7 like DVR-110 under X.4.5. For DVR-110, there seems to be no such Mac
OS X support, then, by your remark. The non-D version can burn DVD-RAM,
which the "D" versions cannot. The difference between DVR-110D and
DVR-111D is essentially that the latter support later burn standard
versions, but and burn/read types and speeds are otherwise the same
(except for some extra 4x, I think). Here is link to the Swedish Pioneer
site (in English), where you can read and compare the different models:
http://www.pioneer.se/se/product_overview.jsp?category_id=442&taxonomy_id=43-92

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Hans Aberg

Hans Aberg

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Jul 12, 2006, 3:21:26 AM7/12/06
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> I needed Patchburn for my Pioneer DVR-111 (not 111D) in an external
> case.

It would be interesting if you can get the DVD-RAM burning working and
how, and report it back here. Also, Patchburn can generate a profile for
111D, but it does not seem to be needed under Mac OS X.4.7.

When I put the old DVD-reader into the old CD-burner case with Firewire,
and look at it in System Profiler, then some information comes from the
chip of the case. So it looks like a CD-ROM of the case manufacturer, but
DVD-reading works.

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Hans Aberg

Daniel Cohen

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Jul 12, 2006, 9:34:57 AM7/12/06
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Hans Aberg <hab...@math.su.se> wrote:

> In article <1hibrbs.muoqsr1cyzddnN%dan...@f2s.com>, d.e....@qmul.ac.uk
> (Daniel Cohen) wrote:
>
> > I needed Patchburn for my Pioneer DVR-111 (not 111D) in an external
> > case.
>
> It would be interesting if you can get the DVD-RAM burning working and
> how, and report it back here. Also, Patchburn can generate a profile for
> 111D, but it does not seem to be needed under Mac OS X.4.7.

I don't know if having it external makes a difference. But I suppose the
DVD-RAM may affect whether OS X recognises it. Anyway, just for
completeness, when I upgraded to 10.4.7, I removed the Patchburn profile
and the drive went back to showing as unsupported, then reapplied
Patchburn to get "Vendor supported".

Hans Aberg

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Jul 12, 2006, 9:57:00 AM7/12/06
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In article <1hid2hl.1rnw33j8463gxN%dan...@f2s.com>, d.e....@qmul.ac.uk
(Daniel Cohen) wrote:

> > It would be interesting if you can get the DVD-RAM burning working and
> > how, and report it back here. Also, Patchburn can generate a profile for
> > 111D, but it does not seem to be needed under Mac OS X.4.7.
>
> I don't know if having it external makes a difference. But I suppose the
> DVD-RAM may affect whether OS X recognises it. Anyway, just for
> completeness, when I upgraded to 10.4.7, I removed the Patchburn profile
> and the drive went back to showing as unsupported, then reapplied
> Patchburn to get "Vendor supported".

For DVR-111D and X.4.7, System Profiler/Burn Support, it says:
Burn Support: Yes (Unsupported)
But there are no problems trying to burn. Try to remove the Patchburn
patch, restart the computer, and burn in say iTunes or a Finder burn
folder (onto say a -RW).

As for DVD-RAM, the point is that one can use it as a hard disk, if the
right software support is present. Do you get anything near that? - If
not, there is little point with DVD-RAM. See for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM

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Hans Aberg

Daniel Cohen

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Jul 12, 2006, 4:34:31 PM7/12/06
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Hans Aberg <hab...@math.su.se> wrote:


>
> For DVR-111D and X.4.7, System Profiler/Burn Support, it says:
> Burn Support: Yes (Unsupported)
> But there are no problems trying to burn. Try to remove the Patchburn
> patch, restart the computer, and burn in say iTunes or a Finder burn
> folder (onto say a -RW).

Interesting. I had assumed that Unsupported meant what it said, and that
disks would not burn properly. Might be worth trying if removing
Patchburn improves things.


>
> As for DVD-RAM, the point is that one can use it as a hard disk, if the
> right software support is present. Do you get anything near that? - If
> not, there is little point with DVD-RAM. See for example:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM

I reckoned that just having the DVD-RAM might turn out useful very
occasionally. I'm not especially planning to use it, but for instance a
friend's DVD recorder can use DVD-RAM, and she might want me to check if
her disks work in my machine.

Hans Aberg

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Jul 12, 2006, 5:10:42 PM7/12/06
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In article <1hidm3c.1liw8k122uu7jN%dan...@f2s.com>, d.e....@qmul.ac.uk
(Daniel Cohen) wrote:

> > For DVR-111D and X.4.7, System Profiler/Burn Support, it says:
> > Burn Support: Yes (Unsupported)
> > But there are no problems trying to burn. Try to remove the Patchburn
> > patch, restart the computer, and burn in say iTunes or a Finder burn
> > folder (onto say a -RW).
>
> Interesting. I had assumed that Unsupported meant what it said, and that
> disks would not burn properly. Might be worth trying if removing
> Patchburn improves things.

Well, I do not know if there is a performance difference. It seems to just
a question of getting an optical drive profile, whatever that means. :-)

> > As for DVD-RAM, the point is that one can use it as a hard disk, if the
> > right software support is present. Do you get anything near that? - If
> > not, there is little point with DVD-RAM. See for example:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM
>
> I reckoned that just having the DVD-RAM might turn out useful very
> occasionally. I'm not especially planning to use it, but for instance a
> friend's DVD recorder can use DVD-RAM, and she might want me to check if
> her disks work in my machine.

DVR-111D can read DVD-RAM, but not burn it; DVR-111 can burn it. On
DVD-RAM, tracks are, as on a hard disk, concentrical, and divided into
open segments. So each segment can be written independently. This is what
makes a hard drive type of behavior possible. That is, if one has the
right software support.

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Hans Aberg

Malcolm

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Jul 12, 2006, 7:14:39 PM7/12/06
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It shouldn't require special software. Initializing the blank RAM
disk with Disk Utility should be enough.

Hans Aberg

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Jul 13, 2006, 3:09:28 AM7/13/06
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In article <2006071219143950073-malcolm@invalid>, Malcolm
<malcolm@invalid> wrote:

> > DVR-111D can read DVD-RAM, but not burn it; DVR-111 can burn it. On
> > DVD-RAM, tracks are, as on a hard disk, concentrical, and divided into
> > open segments. So each segment can be written independently. This is what
> > makes a hard drive type of behavior possible. That is, if one has the
> > right software support.
>
> It shouldn't require special software. Initializing the blank RAM
> disk with Disk Utility should be enough.

So you say that Mac OS X already has support for DVD-RAM to be used like a
hard drive. It would be interesting with somebody with DVD-RAM burner
would be able to verify that, and report back here.

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Hans Aberg

Daniel Cohen

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Jul 13, 2006, 5:11:37 AM7/13/06
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Hans Aberg <hab...@math.su.se> wrote:

> > Interesting. I had assumed that Unsupported meant what it said, and that
> > disks would not burn properly. Might be worth trying if removing
> > Patchburn improves things.
>
> Well, I do not know if there is a performance difference. It seems to just
> a question of getting an optical drive profile, whatever that means. :-)

Yes, PatchBurn supplies its own profile, I think.

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