Can El Capitan Boot in 32-Bit Mode?

[Davoud]

I have a 2011 Sony camera firmware updater that needs to run in 32-bit
mode.

(It supposedly runs in 64-bit Windows, but it crashes Win 7 Pro every
time.)

TIA!

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[nospam]

In article <080120161754137742%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net>
wrote:

> I have a 2011 Sony camera firmware updater that needs to run in 32-bit
> mode.
>
> (It supposedly runs in 64-bit Windows, but it crashes Win 7 Pro every
> time.)

32 bit apps run in 32 bit mode automatically. there are no additional
steps needed.

[Davoud]

Davoud:

> > > > I have a 2011 Sony camera firmware updater that needs to run in 32-bit
> > > > mode.

nospam:

> > > 32 bit apps run in 32 bit mode automatically. there are no additional
> > > steps needed.

Davoud:
> > Sez you. Yosemite sez "This application does not work with the 64-bit
> > kernel. Please run it on the 32-bit kernel."

nospam:
> ...the short answer is you're screwed....

> ...this came up in a quick search. you might have found it already:
> <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6751222?start=0&tstart=0>

Yeah, I saw that. The relevant part of your reply is "you're screwed."

[nospam]

In article <080120162132134133%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net>
wrote:

> Davoud:

> > > I have a 2011 Sony camera firmware updater that needs to run in 32-bit
> > > mode.
>

> nospam:

> > 32 bit apps run in 32 bit mode automatically. there are no additional
> > steps needed.
>

> Sez you. Yosemite sez "This application does not work with the 64-bit
> kernel. Please run it on the 32-bit kernel."

if it says that, then it's probably wanting to install a kernel
extension, likely to be able to communicate with the camera, which is
where the problem is.

that's a bit much just to update firmware, but nevertheless, the short

answer is you're screwed.

there is no 32 bit kernel with yosemite and whatever kext they want to
install isn't codesigned (which wasn't needed in 2011) so it won't run
no matter what you do.

you'll need to find a mac running lion or earlier and boot to the 32
bit kernel (hold down the 3 and 2 keys at boot for a one-time change)
or figure out why it doesn't work on windows for you. maybe an older
version of windows is needed there too.

[Davoud]

Davoud:

> > I have a 2011 Sony camera firmware updater that needs to run in 32-bit
> > mode.

nospam:

> 32 bit apps run in 32 bit mode automatically. there are no additional
> steps needed.

Sez you. Yosemite sez "This application does not work with the 64-bit
kernel. Please run it on the 32-bit kernel."

[JF Mezei]

On 2016-01-08 17:54, Davoud wrote:
> I have a 2011 Sony camera firmware updater that needs to run in 32-bit
> mode.
>

If you do the File => "get info" on the .APP file (from Finder) and
the app can run in 32bit mode, you will see a checkbox to make it run in
32bit mode.

[Davoud]

Davoud:

> > I have a 2011 Sony camera firmware updater that needs to run in 32-bit
> > mode.

JF Meze:

> If you do the File => "get info" on the .APP file (from Finder) and
> the app can run in 32bit mode, you will see a checkbox to make it run in
> 32bit mode.

Very first thing I tried. No such checkbox. I haven't seen that
checkbox in years. Does *any* app have that under recent versions of OS
X?

[Wolffan]

On 09 Jan 2016, Davoud wrote
(in article <090120160831308568%st...@sky.net>):

> Davoud:
> > > I have a 2011 Sony camera firmware updater that needs to run in 32-bit
> > > mode.
>
> JF Meze:
> > If you do the File => "get info" on the .APP file (from Finder) and
> > the app can run in 32bit mode, you will see a checkbox to make it run in
> > 32bit mode.
>
> Very first thing I tried. No such checkbox. I haven't seen that
> checkbox in years. Does *any* app have that under recent versions of OS
> X?

Yes. Several apps do, including Adobe Acrobat X Pro and other apps from Adobe
Creative Suite (not Creative Cloud), Cyberduck, Firefox, and Graphic
Converter 8 and earlier (not there in GC 9). Some apps (Acrobat, for one)
won’t run properly in modern versions of OS X unless that 32-bit-mode
checkbox is selected. At least they won’t run properly on my system, they
have problems with displaying windows and dialogs and menus. Apps that
don’t have the checkbox tend to be apps that won’t run in 32-bit mode.
This makes your problem quite interesting, as that app doesn’t have the
checkbox but won’t run in 64-bit mode. Contact Sony. Good luck with that.

[nospam]

In article <090120160831308568%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net>
wrote:

> Davoud:
> > > I have a 2011 Sony camera firmware updater that needs to run in 32-bit
> > > mode.
>
> JF Meze:
> > If you do the File => "get info" on the .APP file (from Finder) and
> > the app can run in 32bit mode, you will see a checkbox to make it run in
> > 32bit mode.
>
> Very first thing I tried. No such checkbox. I haven't seen that
> checkbox in years. Does *any* app have that under recent versions of OS
> X?

apps that have both 32 bit and 64 bit code will have that checkbox.

most apps these days are 64 bit only (or 32 bit only for older apps)
but some have both.

[nospam]

In article
<0001HW.1C4172BC00...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Wolffan <AKWo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > If you do the File => "get info" on the .APP file (from Finder) and
> > > the app can run in 32bit mode, you will see a checkbox to make it run in
> > > 32bit mode.
> >
> > Very first thing I tried. No such checkbox. I haven't seen that
> > checkbox in years. Does *any* app have that under recent versions of OS
> > X?
>
> Yes. Several apps do, including Adobe Acrobat X Pro and other apps from Adobe
> Creative Suite (not Creative Cloud), Cyberduck, Firefox, and Graphic
> Converter 8 and earlier (not there in GC 9). Some apps (Acrobat, for one)

> wonšt run properly in modern versions of OS X unless that 32-bit-mode
> checkbox is selected. At least they wonšt run properly on my system, they

> have problems with displaying windows and dialogs and menus.

then there's something very wrong with your system.

> Apps that
> donšt have the checkbox tend to be apps that wonšt run in 32-bit mode.

or 64 bit mode.

only if it has *both* is there a choice.

> This makes your problem quite interesting, as that app doesnšt have the
> checkbox but wonšt run in 64-bit mode. Contact Sony. Good luck with that.

the sony app wants him to reboot into the 32 bit kernel, which means
there must be a kext. that goes well beyond a checkbox.

[Wolffan]

On 09 Jan 2016, nospam wrote
(in article<090120161210508371%nos...@nospam.invalid>):

> In article
> <0001HW.1C4172BC00...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Wolffan <AKWo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > If you do the File => "get info" on the .APP file (from Finder) and
> > > > the app can run in 32bit mode, you will see a checkbox to make it run
in
> > > > 32bit mode.
> > >
> > > Very first thing I tried. No such checkbox. I haven't seen that
> > > checkbox in years. Does *any* app have that under recent versions of OS
> > > X?
> >
> > Yes. Several apps do, including Adobe Acrobat X Pro and other apps from
> > Adobe
> > Creative Suite (not Creative Cloud), Cyberduck, Firefox, and Graphic
> > Converter 8 and earlier (not there in GC 9). Some apps (Acrobat, for one)

> > won¹t run properly in modern versions of OS X unless that 32-bit-mode
> > checkbox is selected. At least they won¹t run properly on my system, they

> > have problems with displaying windows and dialogs and menus.
>
> then there's something very wrong with your system.

Unlikely. To be precise, certain apps display black boxes for dialogs and
don’t display elements such as toolbars and status bars on normal windows
when running in OS X 10.11.2 and later, unless the checkbox is selected. Same
apps work just fine in versions of the OS prior to 10.11.2, and in later
versions if the checkbox is selected. These apps include Acrobat Pro X and
MacPar Deluxe. Adobe doesn’t want to know anything about Acrobat Pro X,
they want me to update (which is not going to happen) and the guys behind
MacPar Deluxe seem to have gone missing. As both work fine with the 32-bit
checkbox selected, i really don’t care and won’t until something happens
to make them stop working. In that case I’ll replace them with something
that works. There’s a multitude of PDF editors out there, I use Acrobat
because it shipped with Creative Suite. I’m in the process of dumping
Creative Suite anyway; Affinity’s apps can do a lot of what I use Creative
Suite for, and they’re way cheaper than paying rent to Adobe. (Something
which is NOT going to happen. Ever.) With the advent of cloud storage
services like Dropbox and OneDrive I can stick very large files onto a cloudy
thing and have people download them from there, instead of splitting them up
into multiple RARs and adding PARs to allow the rebuilding of damaged RARs
and either emailing them, one section at a time, or dropping them onto an FTP
site. This means that I really don’t care what happens to MacPar Deluxe
anymore.
>
>
> > Apps that
> > don¹t have the checkbox tend to be apps that won¹t run in 32-bit mode.

>
> or 64 bit mode.
>
> only if it has *both* is there a choice.
>

> > This makes your problem quite interesting, as that app doesn¹t have the

> > checkbox but won¹t run in 64-bit mode. Contact Sony. Good luck with that.

>
> the sony app wants him to reboot into the 32 bit kernel, which means
> there must be a kext. that goes well beyond a checkbox.

Quite probably. that’s one reason why I told him to contact Sony. Best of
luck with getting anything out of them.

[nospam]

In article
<0001HW.1C418AAC00...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Wolffan <AKWo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > If you do the File => "get info" on the .APP file (from Finder) and
> > > > > the app can run in 32bit mode, you will see a checkbox to make it run
> in
> > > > > 32bit mode.
> > > >
> > > > Very first thing I tried. No such checkbox. I haven't seen that
> > > > checkbox in years. Does *any* app have that under recent versions of OS
> > > > X?
> > >
> > > Yes. Several apps do, including Adobe Acrobat X Pro and other apps from
> > > Adobe
> > > Creative Suite (not Creative Cloud), Cyberduck, Firefox, and Graphic
> > > Converter 8 and earlier (not there in GC 9). Some apps (Acrobat, for one)

> > > won1t run properly in modern versions of OS X unless that 32-bit-mode
> > > checkbox is selected. At least they won1t run properly on my system, they

> > > have problems with displaying windows and dialogs and menus.
> >
> > then there's something very wrong with your system.
>
> Unlikely.

since those apps work just fine for others, the problem is with your
system.

> To be precise, certain apps display black boxes for dialogs and

> donıt display elements such as toolbars and status bars on normal windows

> when running in OS X 10.11.2 and later, unless the checkbox is selected. Same
> apps work just fine in versions of the OS prior to 10.11.2, and in later
> versions if the checkbox is selected. These apps include Acrobat Pro X and

> MacPar Deluxe. Adobe doesnıt want to know anything about Acrobat Pro X,

> they want me to update (which is not going to happen) and the guys behind
> MacPar Deluxe seem to have gone missing. As both work fine with the 32-bit

> checkbox selected, i really donıt care and wonıt until something happens
> to make them stop working. In that case Iıll replace them with something
> that works. Thereıs a multitude of PDF editors out there, I use Acrobat
> because it shipped with Creative Suite. Iım in the process of dumping
> Creative Suite anyway; Affinityıs apps can do a lot of what I use Creative
> Suite for, and theyıre way cheaper than paying rent to Adobe. (Something

> which is NOT going to happen. Ever.) With the advent of cloud storage
> services like Dropbox and OneDrive I can stick very large files onto a cloudy
> thing and have people download them from there, instead of splitting them up
> into multiple RARs and adding PARs to allow the rebuilding of damaged RARs
> and either emailing them, one section at a time, or dropping them onto an FTP

> site. This means that I really donıt care what happens to MacPar Deluxe
> anymore.

translated: you just want to rant, even if it's baseless.

[JF Mezei]

On 2016-01-09 08:31, Davoud wrote:

> Very first thing I tried. No such checkbox. I haven't seen that
> checkbox in years. Does *any* app have that under recent versions of OS
> X?

the 32 bit checkbox is still available for older applications. In fact,
for Sheepshaver, I had to check it in order for Sheepshaber to run on
Yosemite. (was OK in Snow Leopard in 64 bit mode)

If the 32 bit button is not prsent, then I guess the application was
compiled for 64 bits only and the 32 bit option not available.

If you have a Snow Leopard CD , you could boot from it and then run the
firmware update stored on your hard drive.

[Davoud]

Wolffan:

> Quite probably. that’s one reason why I told him to contact Sony. Best of
> luck with getting anything out of them.

No sense in that. The camera is out of production and won't be
supported with additional firmware updates. Since the issue that the
update supposedly fixes is battery drain when the camera is off, my
solution is to remove the battery when I've finished using the camera.

And to poll my friends to see if anyone is running an older version of
the Mac OS.

[JF Mezei]

On 2016-01-09 17:18, Davoud wrote:

> No sense in that. The camera is out of production and won't be
> supported with additional firmware updates. Since the issue that the
> update supposedly fixes is battery drain when the camera is off, my
> solution is to remove the battery when I've finished using the camera.

Read the documents carefully. There are often ways to update a devices
firmware by loading the firmware file on the storage card with specific
filename and then powering up the device by pressing certain buttons.

[Savageduck]

On Jan 9, 2016, Davoud wrote
(in article <090120161718311659%st...@sky.net>):

> Wolffan:
> > Quite probably. that’s one reason why I told him to contact Sony.

> > Best of
> > luck with getting anything out of them.
>
> No sense in that. The camera is out of production and won't be
> supported with additional firmware updates.

Specifically which Sony camera model.

Have you already downloaded the firmware update?

Why does the installer for the firmware have to be run on a desktop/laptop
computer?
Is this some strange Sony protocol?

For my Nikon, Fujifilm and Canon firmware updates all I do is download the
update to my Mac and copy to a CF or SD card, and then load the card into the
camera and apply the firmware update via the camera menu. There is no issue
regarding 32 or 64 bit installer.

> Since the issue that the
> update supposedly fixes is battery drain when the camera is off, my
> solution is to remove the battery when I've finished using the camera.
>
> And to poll my friends to see if anyone is running an older version of
> the Mac OS.



--

Regards,
Savageduck

[Alan Browne]

On 2016-01-09 17:18, Davoud wrote:

> And to poll my friends to see if anyone is running an older version of
> the Mac OS.

Can't find anyone with the updater on Windows?

--
"But I am somehow extraordinarily lucky, for a guy with shitty luck."
..Harrison Ford, Rolling Stone - 2015-12-02

[nospam]

In article <0001HW.1C41CE630...@news.giganews.com>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> > > Quite probably. that⤁s one reason why I told him to contact Sony.

> > > Best of
> > > luck with getting anything out of them.
> >
> > No sense in that. The camera is out of production and won't be
> > supported with additional firmware updates.
>
> Specifically which Sony camera model.
>
> Have you already downloaded the firmware update?
>
> Why does the installer for the firmware have to be run on a desktop/laptop
> computer?
> Is this some strange Sony protocol?
>
> For my Nikon, Fujifilm and Canon firmware updates all I do is download the
> update to my Mac and copy to a CF or SD card, and then load the card into the
> camera and apply the firmware update via the camera menu. There is no issue
> regarding 32 or 64 bit installer.

what's the link for the updater?

a little testing never hurt...

[Savageduck]

On Jan 9, 2016, nospam wrote
(in article<090120162040564745%nos...@nospam.invalid>):

> In article<0001HW.1C41CE630...@news.giganews.com>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>

> > > > Quite probably. thatâ¤s one reason why I told him to contact Sony.

> > > > Best of
> > > > luck with getting anything out of them.
> > >
> > > No sense in that. The camera is out of production and won't be
> > > supported with additional firmware updates.
> >
> > Specifically which Sony camera model.
> >
> > Have you already downloaded the firmware update?
> >
> > Why does the installer for the firmware have to be run on a desktop/laptop
> > computer?
> > Is this some strange Sony protocol?
> >
> > For my Nikon, Fujifilm and Canon firmware updates all I do is download the
> > update to my Mac and copy to a CF or SD card, and then load the card into
> > the
> > camera and apply the firmware update via the camera menu. There is no issue
> > regarding 32 or 64 bit installer.
>
> what's the link for the updater?

You need to address that question to the OP, Davoud, not me.
We still need to find out what model Sony camera he is trying to update.

Once that is known then perhaps going to the Sony support site might provide
a few answers.
<http://esupport.sony.com/DRIVERS/>

> a little testing never hurt...

--

Regards,
Savageduck

[Davoud]

Davoud:

> > And to poll my friends to see if anyone is running an older version of
> > the Mac OS.

Alan Browne

> Can't find anyone with the updater on Windows?

As I said in my opening post, "It supposedly runs in 64-bit Windows,

but it crashes Win 7 Pro every time."

[Davoud]

JF Mezei:

> If the 32 bit button is not prsent, then I guess the application was
> compiled for 64 bits only and the 32 bit option not available.

No, that's not the issue. This issue is that the app was compiled for
32 bits only and El Capitan can't run 32-bit apps--so no 32-bit
checkbox.

[Savageduck]

On Jan 9, 2016, Davoud wrote

(in article <090120162251142653%st...@sky.net>):

> JF Mezei:
> > If the 32 bit button is not prsent, then I guess the application was
> > compiled for 64 bits only and the 32 bit option not available.
>
> No, that's not the issue. This issue is that the app was compiled for
> 32 bits only and El Capitan can't run 32-bit apps--so no 32-bit
> checkbox.

What I don’t understand is why you need an app of any kind to do a firmware
update on a camera. I have done firmware updates on Nikon DSLRs, Fujifilm
cameras and a Canon G11, all done without an app.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

[nospam]

In article <0001HW.1C420DB80...@news.giganews.com>,

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> What I donšt understand is why you need an app of any kind to do a firmware

> update on a camera. I have done firmware updates on Nikon DSLRs, Fujifilm
> cameras and a Canon G11, all done without an app.

maybe the camera doesn't support firmware updates from a card.

[nospam]

In article <090120162251142653%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net>
wrote:

> > If the 32 bit button is not prsent, then I guess the application was
> > compiled for 64 bits only and the 32 bit option not available.
>
> No, that's not the issue. This issue is that the app was compiled for
> 32 bits only and El Capitan can't run 32-bit apps--so no 32-bit
> checkbox.

el capitan can definitely run 32 bit apps.

what it can't do is use 32 bit kernel extensions and apparently this
app installs one.

the checkbox only appears if there's *both* 32 and 64 bit code, giving
the user a choice.

[JF Mezei]

On 2016-01-09 22:51, Davoud wrote:

> No, that's not the issue. This issue is that the app was compiled for
> 32 bits only and El Capitan can't run 32-bit apps--so no 32-bit
> checkbox.

So if I move to ElCapitan, I can't run Sheepshaver anymore ?

[JF Mezei]

On 2016-01-09 22:55, Savageduck wrote:

> What I don’t understand is why you need an app of any kind to do a firmware
> update on a camera. I have done firmware updates on Nikon DSLRs, Fujifilm
> cameras and a Canon G11, all done without an app.

Usually, these companies provide an easy to find and easy to use App
that does it. But if you dig down in the documentation, you may find
there is a way to get the firmare onto the camera without needing software.

[nospam]

In article <5691f0b2$0$38927$b1db1813$7946...@news.astraweb.com>, JF

Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>
> > No, that's not the issue. This issue is that the app was compiled for
> > 32 bits only and El Capitan can't run 32-bit apps--so no 32-bit
> > checkbox.
>
> So if I move to ElCapitan, I can't run Sheepshaver anymore ?

whether it runs or not won't have anything to do with 32 bit because 32
bit apps run just fine in el capitan.

at some future point, apple will drop support for 32 bit apps. it
hasn't happened yet, but it definitely will.

[Savageduck]

On Jan 9, 2016, JF Mezei wrote
(in article<5691f0f4$0$38927$b1db1813$7946...@news.astraweb.com>):

I have NEVER needed an app to update the firmware on any of my cameras. That
includes Nikon, Fujifilm and Canon, none of those provide an “easy to use
app that does it". Who knows what the deal is with Sony.
In each case I download the firmware update xxx.bin file from the support
page to my desktop. The .bin file is copied to a clean, in-camera formatted
CF or SD card. That is loaded in the camera and then follow the update
procedure as set out in the camera menu. That also applies to lens firmware
updates.
At no time is an app downloaded, or even offered for download by Nikon,
Fujifilm, or Canon, and certainly I have never had to open any app to update
firmware on any camera that I own.



--

Regards,
Savageduck

[Lewis]

In message <0001HW.1C4234AF0...@news.giganews.com>

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> On Jan 9, 2016, JF Mezei wrote
> (in article<5691f0f4$0$38927$b1db1813$7946...@news.astraweb.com>):

>> On 2016-01-09 22:55, Savageduck wrote:
>>
>> > What I don’t understand is why you need an app of any kind to do a
>> > firmware
>> > update on a camera. I have done firmware updates on Nikon DSLRs, Fujifilm
>> > cameras and a Canon G11, all done without an app.
>>
>> Usually, these companies provide an easy to find and easy to use App
>> that does it. But if you dig down in the documentation, you may find
>> there is a way to get the firmare onto the camera without needing software.

> I have NEVER needed an app to update the firmware on any of my cameras. That
> includes Nikon, Fujifilm and Canon, none of those provide an “easy to use
> app that does it". Who knows what the deal is with Sony.

It sounds odd, doesn't it.

> In each case I download the firmware update xxx.bin file from the support
> page to my desktop. The .bin file is copied to a clean, in-camera formatted
> CF or SD card. That is loaded in the camera and then follow the update
> procedure as set out in the camera menu. That also applies to lens firmware
> updates.

And stand-alone GPS units as well.

In some cases the bin file has to be at the root level of the card, and
in some cases in a specifically named folder.

> At no time is an app downloaded, or even offered for download by Nikon,
> Fujifilm, or Canon, and certainly I have never had to open any app to update
> firmware on any camera that I own.

Same here, but with fewer cameras. I remember I had to update the
firmware on the old Canon SureShot so it would support the wifi SD card
thing I put in it for my FIL to use so he wouldn't have to move an SD
card between camera and computer. But he stopped taking pictures so it's
been little used.

--
In the words of one of the founding Igors: 'We belong dead? Ecthcuthe
me? Where doeth it thay "we"?'

[Alan Browne]

On 2016-01-09 22:51, Davoud wrote:

> JF Mezei:
>> If the 32 bit button is not prsent, then I guess the application was
>> compiled for 64 bits only and the 32 bit option not available.
>
> No, that's not the issue. This issue is that the app was compiled for
> 32 bits only and El Capitan can't run 32-bit apps--so no 32-bit
> checkbox.

I write 32 bit programs that run just fine under 10.11, so that dog does
not hunt. (I can compile for 32 or 64).

Indeed, on this 10.11 Mac there are several dozen 32 bit apps installed
and running just fine.

They include: MS Office (2016), various Adobe apps including Bridge and
DNG converter, Dropbox, and many others.

[nospam]

In article <tqidnRzV1YsS_g_L...@giganews.com>, Alan Browne

<alan....@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

> Indeed, on this 10.11 Mac there are several dozen 32 bit apps installed
> and running just fine.
>
> They include: MS Office (2016), various Adobe apps including Bridge and
> DNG converter, Dropbox, and many others.

adobe bridge and dng converter are 64 bit. you must have an old version.

[Alan Browne]

Indeed. CS5. 5 years "old".

[Jolly Roger]

On 2016-01-10, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2016, JF Mezei wrote
> (in article<5691f0f4$0$38927$b1db1813$7946...@news.astraweb.com>):
>
>> On 2016-01-09 22:55, Savageduck wrote:
>>
>> > What I don’t understand is why you need an app of any kind to do a
>> > firmware
>> > update on a camera. I have done firmware updates on Nikon DSLRs, Fujifilm
>> > cameras and a Canon G11, all done without an app.
>>
>> Usually, these companies provide an easy to find and easy to use App
>> that does it. But if you dig down in the documentation, you may find
>> there is a way to get the firmare onto the camera without needing software.
>
> I have NEVER needed an app to update the firmware on any of my cameras. That
> includes Nikon, Fujifilm and Canon, none of those provide an “easy to use
> app that does it". Who knows what the deal is with Sony.

Certain Olympus cameras require you to run a Windows executable to do
firmware updates over a USB cable.

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[JF Mezei]

On 2016-01-10 14:23, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Certain Olympus cameras require you to run a Windows executable to do
> firmware updates over a USB cable.

I can't recall, but I think my Garmin GPS (60 csx) wanted a plugin on
the browser to do the update.

Most of the gizmos I have provide an app to do updates (usually windows
only, but also the "put file in the storage card and boot a certain way"
method that does not require an app.

[Savageduck]

On Jan 10, 2016, Jolly Roger wrote
(in article <dffpdb...@mid.individual.net>):

> On 2016-01-10, Savageduck<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 9, 2016, JF Mezei wrote
> > (in article<5691f0f4$0$38927$b1db1813$7946...@news.astraweb.com>):
> >
> > > On 2016-01-09 22:55, Savageduck wrote:
> > >
> > > > What I don’t understand is why you need an app of any kind to do a
> > > > firmware
> > > > update on a camera. I have done firmware updates on Nikon DSLRs,
Fujifilm
> > > > cameras and a Canon G11, all done without an app.
> > >
> > > Usually, these companies provide an easy to find and easy to use App
> > > that does it. But if you dig down in the documentation, you may find
> > > there is a way to get the firmare onto the camera without needing
software.
> >
> > I have NEVER needed an app to update the firmware on any of my cameras.
That
> > includes Nikon, Fujifilm and Canon, none of those provide an “easy to use
> > app that does it". Who knows what the deal is with Sony.
>
> Certain Olympus cameras require you to run a Windows executable to do
> firmware updates over a USB cable.

None of my cameras require anything to do with Windows, or connection via USB
to do firmware updates. All is done via CF or SD card.
I suspect that both Sony and Olympus have a provision for updating firmware
using memory card and camera menu options.

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[Savageduck]

On Jan 10, 2016, JF Mezei wrote
(in article<5692b3ee$0$31549$c3e8da3$88b2...@news.astraweb.com>):

None of my cameras provide, or require an app for firmware updates. All is
done via camera menu and having the firmware update .bin file on a freshly
in-camera formatted storage card. No App.


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[Jolly Roger]

On 2016-01-10, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

As long as we are playing the "repeat myself" game:

My Olympus c8080 does require a Windows executable to update the
firmware over a USB cable.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2016-01-10, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On Jan 10, 2016, Jolly Roger wrote
> (in article <dffpdb...@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> On 2016-01-10, Savageduck<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 9, 2016, JF Mezei wrote
>>> (in article<5691f0f4$0$38927$b1db1813$7946...@news.astraweb.com>):
>>>
>>>> On 2016-01-09 22:55, Savageduck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What I don’t understand is why you need an app of any kind to
>>>>> do a firmware update on a camera. I have done firmware updates
>>>>> on Nikon DSLRs, Fujifilm cameras and a Canon G11, all done
>>>>> without an app.
>>>>
>>>> Usually, these companies provide an easy to find and easy to use
>>>> App that does it. But if you dig down in the documentation, you
>>>> may find there is a way to get the firmare onto the camera
>>>> without needing software.
>>>
>>> I have NEVER needed an app to update the firmware on any of my
>>> cameras. That includes Nikon, Fujifilm and Canon, none of those
>>> provide an “easy to use app that does it". Who knows what the deal
>>> is with Sony.
>>
>> Certain Olympus cameras require you to run a Windows executable to do
>> firmware updates over a USB cable.
>
> None of my cameras require anything to do with Windows, or connection
> via USB to do firmware updates.

Apparently you think I am talking about your cameras or your own
personal experiences. Rest assured: I'm not.

> I suspect that both Sony and Olympus have a provision for updating firmware
> using memory card and camera menu options.

Nope. Not the Olympus c8080, for instance.

No need to repeat yourself again. We get it. You're special.

[Lewis]

In message <dfg2bv...@mid.individual.net>

Yeah, that camera requires Windows XP to update, according to Olympus.

Yeah, Windows XP

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In article <slrnn95lo7....@amelia.local>, Lewis

<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> I suspect that both Sony and Olympus have a provision for updating
> >> firmware
> >> using memory card and camera menu options.
>
> > Nope. Not the Olympus c8080, for instance.
>
> Yeah, that camera requires Windows XP to update, according to Olympus.
>
> Yeah, Windows XP

the olympus 8080 is a 12 year old camera and the updater will probably
work in win7.

[Savageduck]

On Jan 10, 2016, Jolly Roger wrote

(in article <dfg26o...@mid.individual.net>):

> On 2016-01-10, Savageduck<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 10, 2016, JF Mezei wrote
> > (in article<5692b3ee$0$31549$c3e8da3$88b2...@news.astraweb.com>):
> >
> > > On 2016-01-10 14:23, Jolly Roger wrote:
> > >
> > > > Certain Olympus cameras require you to run a Windows executable to do
> > > > firmware updates over a USB cable.
> > >
> > > I can't recall, but I think my Garmin GPS (60 csx) wanted a plugin on
> > > the browser to do the update.
> > >
> > > Most of the gizmos I have provide an app to do updates (usually windows
> > > only, but also the "put file in the storage card and boot a certain way"
> > > method that does not require an app.
> >
> > None of my cameras provide, or require an app for firmware updates. All is
> > done via camera menu and having the firmware update .bin file on a freshly
> > in-camera formatted storage card. No App.
>
> As long as we are playing the "repeat myself" game:
>
> My Olympus c8080 does require a Windows executable to update the
> firmware over a USB cable.

Noted.

I have removed that particular camera from my purchase wish list.

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[JF Mezei]

On 2016-01-10 16:53, Jolly Roger wrote:

> My Olympus c8080 does require a Windows executable to update the
> firmware over a USB cable.

I suspect such an app would cause the camera to turn on the USB disk
mode (since Camera would be expecting to exchange photos with the USB
photo protocol), and then copies the file to the camera's disk and calls
for a reboot.

I have this other camera that also requires it to be attached. It has no
visible file system nor any storage card, so the only way to do updates
is via their proprietary app. Although that camera also has the ability
to obtain kits over the air and apply updates to itself. It is some
obscure company called Apple, model IPhone :-)

My sharp TV could do software upgrades from either a USB stick or via
network. (Sharp no longer provides updates though so mechanism not
needed anymore). My Sony Blue Ray VCR does updates on network only.

My DENON stereo could do updates via serial port with Xmodem. But no
updates were issued for that model.

The modems I have had would generally want a file copied over, either
via tftp or other means.

[Jolly Roger]

Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On Jan 10, 2016, Jolly Roger wrote
> (in article <dfg26o...@mid.individual.net>):
>
>>

>> As long as we are playing the "repeat myself" game:
>>
>> My Olympus c8080 does require a Windows executable to update the
>> firmware over a USB cable.
>
> Noted.
>
> I have removed that particular camera from my purchase wish list.

It's an old "prosumer" camera. You probably wouldn't want it anyway.

[Jolly Roger]

Might even work in Windows 10 - haven't it bothered to find out.

[carg...@gmail.com]

so On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 11:07:41 PM UTC-5, Davoud wrote:
> I have a 2011 Sony camera firmware updater that needs to run in 32-bit
> mode.
>
> (It supposedly runs in 64-bit Windows, but it crashes Win 7 Pro every
> time.)
>
> TIA!

[carg...@gmail.com]

@davoud - did you ever solve this problem? I'm going through the same run around with the same camera and El Capitan OS

[itsay...@gmail.com]

I found this but haven't tried it yet.
https://us.en.kb.sony.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/54296/p/40096%2C40097%2C40507%2C69942/c/65%2C66/kw/firmware%20update%20mac

It seems to imply you can run the normal firmware updater once you install the "DriverLoader" software to prepare the system.