In article <
0001HW.DD387E2B...@news.astraweb.com>, Ed
Norton <
nor...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Then there were all the scare stories about the levels of death that
> >> never happened.
> >
> > 630k dead in the usa alone is not scary enough?
>
> Almost eight billion people on earth. The odds of survival seem pretty
> good to me.
major math fail.
the calculation is number of deaths out of number of cases, for
whatever region you want, but even that is misleading.
as i said, survival isn't the only bad outcome.
those who get covid can be sick for a week or two, possibly in the
hospital, some of whom are in icu, maybe even on a ventilator in a
coma, and if they recover, they often have lingering symptoms for
months later, which may mean being unable to work.
there have been reports of people who used to jog 5 miles or play
tennis or whatever, but now get winded when walking up a flight of
stairs, long after they've recovered.
also, people who have had covid are at a higher risk for heart disease,
kidney disease and various other ailments.
> > piles of bodies in other countries because there's nowhere to put the
> > corpses is not scary enough?
>
> The 1918 pandemic was much worse but people muddled through without
> shutting down the whole world.
the current pandemic isn't over yet, so it's premature to compare it to
anything.
you're also ignoring that the current pandemic has numerous effective
vaccines, which did not exist in 1918. comparing the raw numbers of one
pandemic which has effective vaccines to one without is not valid.
people also wore masks in 1918, without the bitching and stubbornness
that exists today.
> > even funeral homes in the usa had months long waiting lists because so
> > many people were dead and they simply couldn't handle it.
> >
> >> Then the hypocricy of the politicians.
> >
> > that never changes.
> >
> >> Then the
> >> conflictiong stories about the effectiveness and the side effects ahd
> >> the dhrill self-righteousness of the politicians on both sides. Trust
> >> as broken dow and people are thrown back on their own intuitions.
> >
> > the only conflicting stories are from the conspiracy websites and quack
> > doctors that spew crazy shit just to get the clicks and grift money off
> > of ignorant people.
>
> If I were you I'd call you a liar but I realize you are just using
> hyperbole as a figure of speech.
nothing about that is hyperbole. that's exactly what they do, and they
know it.
the governor of florida is selling anti-fauci swag and making quite a
bit of money. it's absolutely disgusting. his actions are causing
people to die and all he cares about is fundraising and his political
future.
the grifting is not limited to only covid either.
trump's anti-free speech lawsuit is so incredibly frivolous that it is
guaranteed to be dismissed, with the lawyers who filed likely to be
sanctioned for having filed it.
except that doesn't actually matter, since winning the lawsuit was
never the goal.
getting people to donate money was the goal, with one way by sending
money to 'join' the lawsuit (it doesn't work that way), despite the
lawsuit guaranteed to be dismissed, at which point he'll claim the
judges are corrupt and ask for more money.
trump also had a fundraising site to fight the mythical election fraud
he claimed was widespread, except the fine print stated that donations
are not required to be used for that purpose, which of course they
weren't.
> >> Then of course there is human nature which
> >> discounts threats as a means psychological self preservation in order
> >> to get on with life.
> >
> > actually, people greatly misunderstand threats.
>
> Agreed. And COVID is one of them. Show me a table that ranks causes
> of death over the last two years with COVID anywhere near the top.
covid is currently the third leading cause of death, for a disease that
did not exist less than 2 years ago.
that's quite the impressive feat, and not in a good way.
covid is still spreading out of control in the southern part of the
usa, particularly florida, where it's about to get *very* bad, as well
as many other countries worldwide, where cases are also climbing.
> > people are scared of flying, but have no issues driving, despite flying
> > being far safer.
> >
> > people are also afraid of well tested vaccines that has been given to
> > billions of people so far worldwide with almost no issues (nothing is
> > perfect), but will happily will take some random 'cure' pushed by some
> > crackpot doctor on some newly created website.
> >
> >> Reasonable people can make different choices in ambiguous situations.
> >
> > the science is clear.
>
> No, it is most definitely not.
what part isn't clear??
> If you believe that you don't
> understand the Scientific Method. The science was clear to the French
> Academy when they declared that rocks don't fall from the sky. What is
> clear is opinions based on incomplete data and less than two years of
> experience with a constantly changing phenomenon.
what data are you claiming is incomplete or constantly changing?
> >> Dismissing everyone who makes a different choice than yourslf as a
> >> "conspiracy nutter" makes you sound like a "nutter" yourself.
> >
> > dismissing those who ignore science and make choices based on some
> > wacko website is the very definition of conspiracy nutter.
>
> Straw man.
that is not in any way a straw man.
what would you call people who believe the crazy nutjob theories, ones
which are easily proven wrong, some of which are so fucked up that it's
amazing that anyone even thinks they might be true, let alone actually
believing it.
'nutters' doesn't even begin to describe these people.
one such claim is that the covid vaccines cause sterility, despite
vaccinated women getting pregnant and having healthy babies, along with
the vaccinated men who impregnated them. it's bullshit, yet people
believe it anyway.
early on, there were claims that 5g cellular service caused covid
because covid outbreaks were in areas where 5g had been deployed,
therefore the cause could only be 5g, resulting in people vandalizing
5g towers. not surprisingly, that did not help.
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https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-04-21/conspiracy-theori
sts-burn-5g-towers-claiming-link-to-virus>
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https://www.cnet.com/health/5g-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-sees-77-mo
bile-towers-burned-report-says/>
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https://www.pcmag.com/news/over-50-cell-towers-vandalised-in-uk-due-to-
5g-coronavirus-conspiracy-theories>
another one claims the vaccines actually contain poison and that people
who have been vaccinated will be dead in a year or two because it's a
secret plot to depopulate the planet. somehow, multiple pharmaceutical
companies and many thousands of people are all in on this plan with not
a single person ever confessing. they never actually say why this is
even a desirable goal either.
several sites claim that the vaccines cause sorts of side effects and
even deaths, citing numbers they don't actually understand, and instead
suggest that people use various drugs, vitamins and even herbal
treatments, never mentioning that clinical trials have shown that none
of it is in any way effective and usually makes things worse.