Right click does not show package contents

[User Bp]

In the instructions found so far for making a bootable flash
drive installer for OSX 10.7 it's assumed that right-clicking
on the downloaded file will bring up a "Show Package Contents"
option, from which one mounts an internal component called
InstallESD.dmg and restores it to the flash drive to create
a bootable flash device.

In my case there is no option to show package contents. This
seems like a permissions problem, but repairing permissions
has no effect. Verifying the disk reports no errors.

Permissions of the Install Mac OS X Lion.app are described
as "custom access", which the help pages specifically
avoid discussing. Repairing permissions on the whole disk
has no effect, verifying the disk finds no errors.

Any guidance appreciated!

Thanks for reading,

bob prohaska

[nospam]

In article <m2cdik$eia$1...@news.albasani.net>, User Bp <b...@www.zefox.net>
wrote:

do it the easy way (you'll need the older lion compatible version):
<http://diskmakerx.com/>

[User Bp]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> do it the easy way (you'll need the older lion compatible version):
> <http://diskmakerx.com/>

To my utter bafflement, simply copying the installer app to the desktop
produced the expected behavior. Apple is getting as bad as microsoft for
undocumented "features".

Thanks for the quick reply,

bob prohaska

[User Bp]

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>
> I can't imagine how you are getting that. There is definitely a package
> and you can definitely show package contents.
>
>
I can't imagine how either, but it gets more strange:

After finally persuading the installer.app to reveal its contents,
they can't be restored to a flash drive, at least not those I have.
The hidden image verifies clean under Disk Utility.app, but the
image restored to the flash drive is corrupt, failing with either a
timeout or a "can't allocate memory" error under 10.6.8. First Aid
can't fix it, reporting a problem with the B tree.

Since I now have a backup copy of the upgrade application I'm completing
the upgrade per Apple's expectation in the hope that the completed
upgrade will be able to produce a bootable flash drive.

[David Empson]

User Bp <b...@www.zefox.net> wrote:

> Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I can't imagine how you are getting that. There is definitely a package
> > and you can definitely show package contents.
> >
> >
> I can't imagine how either, but it gets more strange:
>
> After finally persuading the installer.app to reveal its contents,
> they can't be restored to a flash drive, at least not those I have.
> The hidden image verifies clean under Disk Utility.app, but the
> image restored to the flash drive is corrupt, failing with either a
> timeout or a "can't allocate memory" error under 10.6.8. First Aid
> can't fix it, reporting a problem with the B tree.

Creating a bootable installer for Yosemite isn't as simple as copying
the disk image. The same applied to Mavericks. It was easier for Lion
and Mountain Lion.

Apple has a support article referring you to the command line tool
included inside the installer which creates a bootable installer:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5856

That's for Mavericks, but the Yosemite installer contains the same tool
and its help shows the same options.

Further point: you can't use this while running 10.6.8. It will work if
run from 10.7 or later. If you have no computers running anything later
than Snow Leopard, the obvious way to do that is to upgrade one of them
to Yosemite, then use it to create install media for others.

There is also a third party utility called DiskMakerX which creates
install media for Lion and later. It has the same restriction with not
working on 10.6.8 for Mavericks and Yosemite installers.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[User Bp]

David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>
> Creating a bootable installer for Yosemite isn't as simple as copying
> the disk image. The same applied to Mavericks. It was easier for Lion
> and Mountain Lion.

Understood, Disk Utility was being used in restore mode, resulting
in a corrupt flash drive.

>
> Apple has a support article referring you to the command line tool
> included inside the installer which creates a bootable installer:
>
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5856
>
> That's for Mavericks, but the Yosemite installer contains the same tool
> and its help shows the same options.

Unfortunately I'm stuck at Lion until much more money is spent 8-)

>
> Further point: you can't use this while running 10.6.8. It will work if
> run from 10.7 or later. If you have no computers running anything later
> than Snow Leopard, the obvious way to do that is to upgrade one of them
> to Yosemite, then use it to create install media for others.

The attempts to use Disk Utility to create a bootable flash drive were
made under both 10.6.8 and 10.7.current, with the same result: corrupt
flash filesystem

>
> There is also a third party utility called DiskMakerX which creates
> install media for Lion and later. It has the same restriction with not
> working on 10.6.8 for Mavericks and Yosemite installers.

DiskmakerX worked perfectly. Version 3 is required for Lion,
version 4 has options only for later releases and balks when
fed an installer.dmg image of Lion.

[David Empson]

User Bp <b...@www.zefox.net> wrote:

> David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> >
> > Creating a bootable installer for Yosemite isn't as simple as copying
> > the disk image. The same applied to Mavericks. It was easier for Lion
> > and Mountain Lion.
>
> Understood, Disk Utility was being used in restore mode, resulting
> in a corrupt flash drive.
> >
> > Apple has a support article referring you to the command line tool
> > included inside the installer which creates a bootable installer:
> >
> > http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5856
> >
> > That's for Mavericks, but the Yosemite installer contains the same tool
> > and its help shows the same options.
> Unfortunately I'm stuck at Lion until much more money is spent 8-)

I didn't explain that clearly enough. The instructions on Apple's
support page are for how to create a bootable Mavericks installer, but
they also apply to creating a bootable Yosemite installer. In both cases
you need the installer application for the desired OS X version.

Creating a bootable installer via these instructions (or using DiskMaker
X) works if you are currently running running Lion or later. They don't
work if you are running Snow Leopard or earlier.

> > Further point: you can't use this while running 10.6.8. It will work if
> > run from 10.7 or later. If you have no computers running anything later
> > than Snow Leopard, the obvious way to do that is to upgrade one of them
> > to Yosemite, then use it to create install media for others.
>
> The attempts to use Disk Utility to create a bootable flash drive were
> made under both 10.6.8 and 10.7.current, with the same result: corrupt
> flash filesystem

That's because the Mavericks and later installers can't be created using
a simple copy of the disk image. You need to use one of the tools which
do the necessary extra steps.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[User Bp]

David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>
> I didn't explain that clearly enough. The instructions on Apple's
> support page are for how to create a bootable Mavericks installer, but
> they also apply to creating a bootable Yosemite installer. In both cases
> you need the installer application for the desired OS X version.
>

Near as I can tell the program createinstallmedia is not present in
10.7. Is there a trick I'm missing?

In any event, DiskMakerX seems to have solved the immediate problem.
It does bother me a bit that Apple seems to be making life difficult
for users of older systems. There are several descriptions of how to use
Disk Utility to create bootable media for 10.7 and it's very likely
they worked when written. That they don't work now is troubling.

[David Empson]

User Bp <b...@www.zefox.net> wrote:

> David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't explain that clearly enough. The instructions on Apple's
> > support page are for how to create a bootable Mavericks installer, but
> > they also apply to creating a bootable Yosemite installer. In both cases
> > you need the installer application for the desired OS X version.
> >
> Near as I can tell the program createinstallmedia is not present in
> 10.7. Is there a trick I'm missing?

That program is inside the application package for the 10.9 and 10.10
installer Contents/Resources folder). Read the page with the
instructions from the the link in my earlier post, and you will see it
uses a path inside the installer to run createinstallmedia.

The createinstallmedia program doesn't work if you are currently booted
into 10.6.8 or earlier. It does work if you are currently booted into
10.7 and later. That's because createinstallmedia is dependent on
features in tools which only exist in OS X 10.7 and later.

> In any event, DiskMakerX seems to have solved the immediate problem.
> It does bother me a bit that Apple seems to be making life difficult
> for users of older systems. There are several descriptions of how to use
> Disk Utility to create bootable media for 10.7 and it's very likely
> they worked when written. That they don't work now is troubling.

They do work now, if you are creating install media for OS X 10.7 or
10.8.

Apple changed the structure of the installer with 10.9, so a different
mechanism is needed to create a bootable installer. They provided a tool
to do the extra steps, and provided instructions for it.

DiskMaker X takes care of the gory details and does the same things the
tool does (or simply runs the tool for you - I haven't had a close look
at it to check).

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[User Bp]

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
> Did you look in the installer?
>
> /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ Mavericks.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia

I'm dealing with 10.7 Lion, not Mavericks.

bob prohaska

[David Empson]

My apologies for a misunderstanding earlier - I didn't read the original
post, and the post to which I replied hadn't quoted enough details, so I
wrongly assumed (based on the timing) that the question was about
creating a Yosemite installer. We've been talking at cross purposes ever
since.

The easy solution is to use DiskMaker X (as you have done), but for
academic interest, resetting my brain to the question of manually
creating a bootable installer FOR 10.7...

I did that manually back when 10.7 was current. I remember creating a
10.7.0 bootable installer but didn't do it again with later minor
versions.

With 10.7.0 my method was to use the Restore feature in Disk Utility to
copy InstallESD.dmg (inside the 10.7 installer) to the flash drive.

This technique doesn't quite work for 10.8.x installers, so I'm
wondering if the same issue applies to later versions of the 10.7.x
installer.

To create a bootable 10.8 installer, you need to mount InstallESD.dmg
and "Restore" from the mounted volume to the flash drive, not restore
directly from the unmounted disk image.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[User Bp]

David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> The easy solution is to use DiskMaker X (as you have done), but for
> academic interest, resetting my brain to the question of manually
> creating a bootable installer FOR 10.7...
>
> I did that manually back when 10.7 was current. I remember creating a
> 10.7.0 bootable installer but didn't do it again with later minor
> versions.
>
> With 10.7.0 my method was to use the Restore feature in Disk Utility to
> copy InstallESD.dmg (inside the 10.7 installer) to the flash drive.
>

That's exactly what does not seem to work with the presently-available
purchase of 10.7: Restore fails with errors and cannot be fixed using
DiskUtility.

> This technique doesn't quite work for 10.8.x installers, so I'm
> wondering if the same issue applies to later versions of the 10.7.x
> installer.


> To create a bootable 10.8 installer, you need to mount InstallESD.dmg
> and "Restore" from the mounted volume to the flash drive, not restore
> directly from the unmounted disk image.
>

Tried both methods, neither worked. Oddly enough, using dmg2img followed
by dd on a freebsd box worked just fine. Not sure what Apple's doing, but
it does not seem to favor the customer.

[David Empson]

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> Okay, so one time? In band camp? User Bp <b...@www.zefox.net> was all, like:

> > David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> >> The easy solution is to use DiskMaker X (as you have done), but for
> >> academic interest, resetting my brain to the question of manually
> >> creating a bootable installer FOR 10.7...
> >>
> >> I did that manually back when 10.7 was current. I remember creating a
> >> 10.7.0 bootable installer but didn't do it again with later minor
> >> versions.
> >>
> >> With 10.7.0 my method was to use the Restore feature in Disk Utility to
> >> copy InstallESD.dmg (inside the 10.7 installer) to the flash drive.
> >>
> > That's exactly what does not seem to work with the presently-available
> > purchase of 10.7: Restore fails with errors and cannot be fixed using
> > DiskUtility.
>

> Then you probably have the format of the USB stick incorrect. It has to
> be GUID Partition Table and then a HFS+ volume. This is why a tool like
> DiskMakerX is the simplest choice (and I thought the app was utterly
> pointless when it first came out).

>
> > Tried both methods, neither worked. Oddly enough, using dmg2img followed
> > by dd on a freebsd box worked just fine. Not sure what Apple's doing, but
> > it does not seem to favor the customer.
>

> "The customer" doesn't need a usb stick installer. They offered them for
> Lion. I think they sold about 40 of them.

Not surprising, since the USB installer cost about three times what it
cost to buy Lion from the App Store.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz