Re: Mavericks?????

[bi...@mix.com]

In comp.sys.mac.system Nelson <nel...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Don't people from California get that nobody else cares about their
> "culture"?

You've made the mistake of assuming we have any.

Billy Y..
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[Davoud]

Nelson:

> Don't people from California get that nobody else cares about their

> "culture"? Reminds me of New Yorkers.

You can't leave us hanging like that. What's your perfect name for the
new Mac OS? Perhaps "Toad Suck" after that progressive and tech-savvy
town in Arkansas?

Is your real name Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged, by any chance?

You must stay very, very busy. Hyundai "Sonata." Pepsi "One." GMC
"Sedona." Chanel "No. 5." Subaru "OutbackŠ" Lotsa weird product names
out there.

The best cure for Mac envy is to buy one, incidentally.

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[Fred Moore]

In article <0001HW.CDDBA7C2...@news.astraweb.com>,

Nelson <nel...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Don't people from California get that nobody else cares about their
> "culture"? Reminds me of New Yorkers.

I didn't see the keynote, so I guess I missed this point: Why is
'mavericks' a California reference? The word is based on the name of a
Texan. Or alternately, John McCain of AZ. :-D

In other news, since Apple ran out of felines, I guess 'mavericks' is
shorter than 'unbranded, stray bovine', which is so exquisitly
descriptive for a state-of-the art OS.

BTW, why is it plural?

Inquiring minds want to know!

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[nospam]

In article <fmoore-C30EC1....@mx05.eternal-september.org>,

Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> wrote:

> I didn't see the keynote, so I guess I missed this point: Why is
> 'mavericks' a California reference? The word is based on the name of a
> Texan. Or alternately, John McCain of AZ. :-D

it's a surf spot near half moon bay, california

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavericks_(location)>

<http://www.surf-forecast.com/breaks/Mavericks>

> In other news, since Apple ran out of felines, I guess 'mavericks' is
> shorter than 'unbranded, stray bovine', which is so exquisitly
> descriptive for a state-of-the art OS.
>
> BTW, why is it plural?

because that is its name.

[Thomas R. Kettler]

In article <kp5c06$oj5$1...@reader1.panix.com>, bi...@MIX.COM wrote:

> In comp.sys.mac.system Nelson <nel...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Don't people from California get that nobody else cares about their
> > "culture"?
>
> You've made the mistake of assuming we have any.

Doesn't California eat tons of yogurt. You get culture that way.

Also, I'm certain that the LA suburbanites have "culture" in their
refrigerators.
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[Davoud]

Fred Moore:

> I didn't see the keynote, so I guess I missed this point: Why is
> 'mavericks' a California reference? The word is based on the name of a
> Texan. Or alternately, John McCain of AZ. :-D
>
> In other news, since Apple ran out of felines, I guess 'mavericks' is
> shorter than 'unbranded, stray bovine', which is so exquisitly
> descriptive for a state-of-the art OS.
>
> BTW, why is it plural?
>
> Inquiring minds want to know!

http://au.businessinsider.com/mavericks-california-2013-6

To give equal time to both coasts, the next version will be named "OS X
Chilling in a Beach Chair with Good Book and a Gin and Tonic." After
that comes the Midwest: "OS X Slogging Through Hog Shit."

[JF Mezei]

On 13-06-10 18:04, Fred Moore wrote:

> I didn't see the keynote, so I guess I missed this point: Why is
> 'mavericks' a California reference?

> Inquiring minds want to know!
>

> https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=Maverick%27s+Beach,+El+Granada,+CA,+United+States&hl=en&ll=37.494907,-122.494018&spn=0.006597,0.009001&sll=56,-96&sspn=79.543482,147.480469&oq=maveric&hq=Maverick%27s+Beach,+El+Granada,+CA,+United+States&t=m&z=17


Hey, can't use Apple's maps because they are not on the web and can't
reference via a URL :-)


I liked the reference to Sea Lion in the presentation. Could have been a
nice transition to interesting sea creatures ! Tiger Shark ! Hammer
Shark ! Humpback ! Dolphin etc etc

[Jolly Roger]

In article <0001HW.CDDBA7C2...@news.astraweb.com>,

Nelson <nel...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Don't people from California get that nobody else cares about their

> "culture"? Reminds me of New Yorkers.

Don't people named Nelson get that the universe doesn't center around
what they like or dislike? Reminds me of babies.

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[Howard S Shubs]

In article <fmoore-C30EC1....@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> wrote:

> In article <0001HW.CDDBA7C2...@news.astraweb.com>,
> Nelson <nel...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Don't people from California get that nobody else cares about their
> > "culture"? Reminds me of New Yorkers.

I think they should have licensed Sylvester for the visual, and named it
Puddy Tat.

[Patty Winter]

In article <51b681ac$0$1743$c3e8da3$5d8f...@news.astraweb.com>,

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>I liked the reference to Sea Lion in the presentation. Could have been a
>nice transition to interesting sea creatures ! Tiger Shark ! Hammer
>Shark ! Humpback ! Dolphin etc etc

What was the reference? Did Tim Cook joke that they had considered
naming the new version Sea Lion?


Patty

[Patty Winter]

In article <michelle-7EDD1F...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

>In article <100620132137391120%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net> wrote:
>
>> To give equal time to both coasts, the next version will be named "OS X
>> Chilling in a Beach Chair with Good Book and a Gin and Tonic." After
>> that comes the Midwest: "OS X Slogging Through Hog Shit."
>

>Actually, he said that the next decade will be California references.
>
>MacOS X 10 will be "Disneyland".

Michelle, are you being facetious about the California theme, as your
second sentence indicates? Or is the first sentence correct?

I was thinking they might be going for high-performance sports locations--
the top places for skiing, whitewater kayaking, etc.


Patty

[JF Mezei]

On 13-06-10 23:30, Patty Winter wrote:

> What was the reference? Did Tim Cook joke that they had considered
> naming the new version Sea Lion?

He was wondering what the name of the next version would be, and then
said that their fooks had come up with.... (picture of a sea lion OS-X
icon appears on screan) "Sea Lion".

At that point, folks didn't really know if this was serious or not. Then
he goes on to say that the era of cats was over and they were moving to
Californian names.

[JF Mezei]

On 13-06-10 23:37, Patty Winter wrote:

> I was thinking they might be going for high-performance sports locations--
> the top places for skiing, whitewater kayaking, etc.

New revenue source for Apple: Californian towns giving "gifts" to Apple
to be named in the next OS release :-)

[Fred Moore]

In article <100620132137391120%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net>
wrote:

> Fred Moore:
> > I didn't see the keynote, so I guess I missed this point: Why is
> > 'mavericks' a California reference? The word is based on the name of a
> > Texan. Or alternately, John McCain of AZ. :-D
> >
> > In other news, since Apple ran out of felines, I guess 'mavericks' is
> > shorter than 'unbranded, stray bovine', which is so exquisitly
> > descriptive for a state-of-the art OS.
> >
> > BTW, why is it plural?
> >
> > Inquiring minds want to know!
>
> http://au.businessinsider.com/mavericks-california-2013-6
>
> To give equal time to both coasts, the next version will be named "OS X
> Chilling in a Beach Chair with Good Book and a Gin and Tonic." After
> that comes the Midwest: "OS X Slogging Through Hog Shit."

Well it seem to me that to make the new name vaguely relevant it should
have been spelled MaveriX.

[bi...@mix.com]

In comp.sys.mac.system Howard S Shubs <how...@shubs.net> wrote:

> I think they should have licensed Sylvester for the visual, and named it
> Puddy Tat.

Heh. This is what Warner Bros displays when you want to see fun stuff -

http://MIX.COM/Sylvester.jpeg

[Patty Winter]

In article <kp68u4$fen$1...@reader1.panix.com>, <bi...@MIX.COM> wrote:
>In comp.sys.mac.system Howard S Shubs <how...@shubs.net> wrote:
>
>> I think they should have licensed Sylvester for the visual, and named it
>> Puddy Tat.
>
>Heh. This is what Warner Bros displays when you want to see fun stuff -
>
>http://MIX.COM/Sylvester.jpeg

Uh, what's on the WB website that would be NSFW? Presumably not
Looney Toons cartoons...


Patty

[Patty Winter]

In article <51b69c40$0$5901$c3e8da3$5077...@news.astraweb.com>,

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>On 13-06-10 23:30, Patty Winter wrote:
>
>> What was the reference? Did Tim Cook joke that they had considered
>> naming the new version Sea Lion?
>
>He was wondering what the name of the next version would be, and then
>said that their fooks had come up with.... (picture of a sea lion OS-X
>icon appears on screan) "Sea Lion".
>
>At that point, folks didn't really know if this was serious or not.

I don't blame them!

>Then
>he goes on to say that the era of cats was over and they were moving to
>Californian names.

Ah, I see. Thanks.

Weird that they didn't start with "Cupertino."


Patty

[Patty Winter]

In article <51b6acf8$0$52813$742e...@news.sonic.net>,

Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
>
>Uh, what's on the WB website that would be NSFW? Presumably not
>Looney Toons cartoons...

D'oh! "Looney Tunes." Sorry...


Patty

[gtr]

On 2013-06-11 05:30:16 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> In article <51b69dd0$0$2239$c3e8da3$40d4...@news.astraweb.com>,

> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>>> I was thinking they might be going for high-performance sports
>>> locations-- the top places for skiing, whitewater kayaking, etc.
>>
>> New revenue source for Apple: Californian towns giving "gifts" to Apple
>> to be named in the next OS release :-)
>

> I doubt that they will name any versions after cities or towns; they'll use
> other, inspiring, place names. I suspect we'll see a Big Sur, a Golden
> Gate, maybe a Point Reyes, etc.

Laguna, Catalina, Newport...

[gtr]

I love the whining and put-downs about California, I figured it keeps
down the transplants. I sure hope so.

[gtr]

On 2013-06-11 01:32:36 +0000, Nelson said:

> On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:24:13 -0400, Davoud wrote
> (in article <100620131624137867%st...@sky.net>):

>
>> You must stay very, very busy. Hyundai "Sonata." Pepsi "One." GMC
>> "Sedona." Chanel "No. 5." Subaru "OutbackŠ" Lotsa weird product names
>> out there.
>

> A product's name can be can be one of it's strongest marketing
> assets...

You thnk "Mavericks" is going to be a liability for sales. That's funny.

> ,,,or an albatross. Think "Zune". Read, for example,
> "Positioning: The Battle for your Mind" by Reis & Trout.
>
> "Mavericks" does nothing for anyone outside of the California surfing
> culture except scream grammatical error.

O woe! Back up a teensy bit: That marketing blight, Maverick, has a
number of associations that have nothing to do with surfing or
California. I assume most people haven't the slightest idea about
Mavericks in that context.

[Paul Sture]

In article <0001HW.CDDBA7C2...@news.astraweb.com>,

Nelson <nel...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Don't people from California get that nobody else cares about their

> "culture"? Reminds me of New Yorkers.

Let's see what Dictionary.app says :-)

maverick

noun
1 an unorthodox or independent-minded person: a maverick among
Connecticut Republicans.
2 an unbranded calf or yearling.

adjective
unorthodox: a maverick detective.

ORIGIN mid 19th cent.: from the name of Samuel A. Maverick (1803-70), a
Texas engineer and rancher who did not brand his cattle.

--
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[Paul Sture]

In article <51b69b8f$0$52752$742e...@news.sonic.net>,

Disneyland might not be a facetious choice at all. I recall a rather
serious acquaintance being dragged there by his family many years ago.

None of us expected him to say he enjoyed the experience, but in fact he
had been able to appreciate the engineering which made the place what is
was, and thought it was well worth the trip.

--
Paul Sture

[Paul Sture]

In article <michelle-EFB623...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <fmoore-C30EC1....@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
> Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> wrote:
>

> > I didn't see the keynote, so I guess I missed this point: Why is
> > 'mavericks' a California reference?
>

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavericks_(location)>
>
> Mavericks is a surfing location in Northern California, USA. It is located
> approximately 2 miles (3.2 km) from shore outside Pillar Point Harbor, just
> north of the town of Half Moon Bay at the village of Princeton-By-The-Sea.
> After a strong winter storm in the northern Pacific Ocean, waves can
> routinely crest at over 25 feet (7.6 m) and top out at over 80 feet (24 m).
> The break is caused by an unusually shaped underwater rock formation.
>
> Mavericks is a winter destination for some of the world's best big wave
> surfers. Very few riders become big wave surfers; and of those, only a
> select few are willing to risk the hazardous, sometimes deadly, conditions
> at Mavericks. An invitation-only contest is held there most winters, when
> the waves come.
>
> In early March 1961, three surfers, Alex Matienzo, Jim Thompson, and Dick
> Knottmeyer decided to try the distant waves off Pillar Point. With them was
> a white-haired German Shepherd named Maverick, owned by Matienzo's
> roommate. Maverick was used to swimming out with his owner, or with
> Matienzo, while they were out surfing.
>
> The trio left Maverick on shore, but he swam out and caught up with them.
> Finding the conditions unsafe for the dog, Matienzo tied him up before
> rejoining the others. The riders had limited success that day, surfing
> overhead peaks about 1/4 mile from shore, just along the rocks that are
> visible from shore. They deemed the bigger outside waves too dangerous.
>
> They decided to name the surfing location after Maverick, who seemed to
> have gotten the most out of the experience. It became known simply as
> "Mavericks".[1]

Thanks for the background.

But now I can't get the sound of the Bech Boys out of my head... :-)

--
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[Kurt Ullman]

In article <timstreater-4FD3...@news.individual.net>,
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

> I have no idea what it might refer to in *any* context.

They may be going for this definition:
an independent individual who does not go along with a group or party
(Assuming they aren't rabid fans of James Garner westerns or Tom Cruise
jet fighter movies).
--
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to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the bastards."-- Claire Wolfe

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <nospam-7CEF71....@news.chingola.ch>,

Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:

> Let's see what Dictionary.app says :-)
>
> maverick
>
> noun
> 1 an unorthodox or independent-minded person: a maverick among
> Connecticut Republicans.
> 2 an unbranded calf or yearling.
>
> adjective
> unorthodox: a maverick detective.
>
> ORIGIN mid 19th cent.: from the name of Samuel A. Maverick (1803-70), a
> Texas engineer and rancher who did not brand his cattle.

Or fans of James Garner western TV shows and Tom Cruise fighter pilot
movies.

[*Hemidactylus*]

So Apple has lost its feline bias and switched to a dog theme? Sweet!
They can then go with Lassie, Rin Tin Tin, Cujo, Spot, Sirius, ...


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[Alan Browne]

It was presented as a joke reference by Craig Federighi. You can watch
the KN at the Apple site.

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[Alan Browne]

On 2013.06.10 23:26 , Michelle Steiner wrote:

> Actually, he said that the next decade will be California references.
>
> MacOS X 10 will be "Disneyland".

Ugh. I get it - but ugh.

10.10 would have to be a surfing reference, no? (Hang 10) - or is that
too old school?

Others:

"Sequoia"

"Yosemite"

"Big Sur"

"Joshua Tree"

"Death Valley" - eh, maybe not.

But maybe these natural beauty type references are not cool enough.

(For myself I think "Mavericks" is just fine for 10.9).

[bi...@mix.com]

In comp.sys.mac.system Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:

> >Uh, what's on the WB website that would be NSFW? Presumably not
> >Looney Toons cartoons...
>
> D'oh! "Looney Tunes." Sorry...

There are a few cartoons Warners currently would probably rather
not admit they made, but the screen shot I posted is what people
on their LAN see when trying to access a banned external site.

[Patty Winter]

In article <kp7era$kke$1...@reader1.panix.com>, <bi...@MIX.COM> wrote:
>In comp.sys.mac.system Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
>
>There are a few cartoons Warners currently would probably rather
>not admit they made, but the screen shot I posted is what people
>on their LAN see when trying to access a banned external site.

Ah, I see, the other direction. Thanks. It's very cute!


Patty

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <FZ6dnQwUS-EbsCrM...@giganews.com>,

Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

>
>
> But maybe these natural beauty type references are not cool enough.
>
> (For myself I think "Mavericks" is just fine for 10.9).

10-9 in the Cop codes is repeat traffic. There is some justification in
using that (grin)

[Patty Winter]

In article <michelle-058394...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>In article <FZ6dnQwUS-EbsCrM...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>

>> 10.10 would have to be a surfing reference, no? (Hang 10) - or is that
>> too old school?
>

>Well, "Mavericks" is a surfing reference, so I expect the next version to
>not be that.

>
>> But maybe these natural beauty type references are not cool enough.
>

>Actually, I think that's exactly what they will do.

I don't think "beauty" when I hear "Mavericks." I think "excitement."
That's why I think that future names might be related to locations
that offer adrenaline rushes. Of course, in many cases in California
those are the same places. E.g., "El Capitan" is a world-famous site
for rock climbers but also provides a stunning visual as one enters
Yosemite Valley.


Patty

[Paul Sture]

In article <michelle-630DDD...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <nospam-5FB58D....@news.chingola.ch>,

> Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:
>
> > > >Actually, he said that the next decade will be California references.
> > > >
> > > >MacOS X 10 will be "Disneyland".
> > >
> > > Michelle, are you being facetious about the California theme, as your
> > > second sentence indicates? Or is the first sentence correct?
> > >
> > > I was thinking they might be going for high-performance sports
> > > locations-- the top places for skiing, whitewater kayaking, etc.
> >
> > Disneyland might not be a facetious choice at all. I recall a rather
> > serious acquaintance being dragged there by his family many years ago.
> >
> > None of us expected him to say he enjoyed the experience, but in fact he
> > had been able to appreciate the engineering which made the place what is
> > was, and thought it was well worth the trip.
>

> I seriously doubt that they will name any version of the OS after any
> commercial establishment. I chose "Disneyland" as my facetious suggestion
> because it is arguably the best-known amusement/theme park in California
> (and probably in the world), and because of the Jobs family's ties with the
> Disney corporation.
>
> If they did name a version of OS X "Disneyland", I can see Knott's Berry
> Farm, Universal Studios, Sea World, etc. demanding equal time. And I'm
> sure it would not go over well with the public.
>
> (Hmmm, maybe there is an idea there: Treat the OS like sporting venues,
> and get corporate sponsors to pay to have their names applied to the
> software.)

GMTA? Before came across Davoud's post that told me that Mavericks was
a place I was wondering if there were any California sports teams which
went by the name of Mavericks...

--
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[Thomas R. Kettler]

In article <michelle-D93520...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <nospam-0CFDFC....@news.chingola.ch>,

> Not in California that I know of, but the Dallas, TX pro basketball team is
> the Mavericks.

It's quite appropriate since the owner, Mark Cuban, is arguably the
biggest maverick owner in all of pro sports.

He's often fined by David Stern, the NBA "commissioner", but Cuban
continues to do whatever he wants.
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[gtr]

Interesting. Initially the final "s" was intended as possessive.

[Fred Moore]

Thanks for the reference, Michelle. Without having seen the keunote, no
one would have any idea it referred to a surf site.

[Fred Moore]

In article <FZ6dnQwUS-EbsCrM...@giganews.com>,
Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2013.06.10 23:26 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
> > Actually, he said that the next decade will be California references.
> >
> > MacOS X 10 will be "Disneyland".

Well, Steve _did_ make the majority of his billions on his sale of Pixar
to Disney, not from Apple. Perhpas Walt's ghost wants homage.

> Ugh. I get it - but ugh.
>
> 10.10 would have to be a surfing reference, no? (Hang 10) - or is that
> too old school?
>
> Others:
>
> "Sequoia"
>
> "Yosemite"
>
> "Big Sur"
>
> "Joshua Tree"
>
> "Death Valley" - eh, maybe not.
>
> But maybe these natural beauty type references are not cool enough.
>
> (For myself I think "Mavericks" is just fine for 10.9).

Nah, they'll stay with surfing for a while. Retro is *in*, especially
for computer operating systems.

After MaveriX we'll have Redondo Hondo

iOS will be renamed Doheny Weenie

Then there'll be Pipeline, Tubular, and, of course, Gnarly

Culminating in the epitome of competence and perspicacity: Doooode!

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of the week, don't you? --Stephen Hawking

[Alan Browne]

On 2013.06.11 13:13 , Fred Moore wrote:
> In article <FZ6dnQwUS-EbsCrM...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2013.06.10 23:26 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, he said that the next decade will be California references.
>>>
>>> MacOS X 10 will be "Disneyland".
>
> Well, Steve _did_ make the majority of his billions on his sale of Pixar
> to Disney, not from Apple. Perhpas Walt's ghost wants homage.

Didn't really need explaining.

>> (For myself I think "Mavericks" is just fine for 10.9).
>
> Nah, they'll stay with surfing for a while. Retro is *in*, especially
> for computer operating systems.
>
> After MaveriX we'll have Redondo Hondo

I like MaveriX !

>
> iOS will be renamed Doheny Weenie
>
> Then there'll be Pipeline, Tubular, and, of course, Gnarly

Gnarly is taken (aka Linux).

Given the form factor of the new Mac Pro, "Tubular" is perfect!

> Culminating in the epitome of competence and perspicacity: Doooode!

Isn't that the Atari OS?

[Howard S Shubs]

In article <fmoore-5E65B8....@mx05.eternal-september.org>,

Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> wrote:

> Then there'll be Pipeline, Tubular, and, of course, Gnarly
>
> Culminating in the epitome of competence and perspicacity: Doooode!

The rest, I can see, but let's not use the Dell-ism. :->

[JF Mezei]

On 13-06-11 13:04, Fred Moore wrote:

> Thanks for the reference, Michelle. Without having seen the keunote, no
> one would have any idea it referred to a surf site.

I am pretty sure Apple's marketing will rectify this situation for each
release.

If Apple truly intends to choose "fun" place names, it could be to help
project the image that Apple is still a young/energetic and fun loving
company.

[Fred Moore]

In article <howard-50CCED....@news.individual.net>,

Okay then, how about: Like Totally and the perennial For Sure!

[Fred Moore]

In article <michelle-CAF020...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <fmoore-C93782....@mx05.eternal-september.org>,

> Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the reference, Michelle. Without having seen the keunote, no
> > one would have any idea it referred to a surf site.
>

> De nada. BTW, it boiled down to Mavericks or this one:
>
> <http://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/i-FpZ9bt9-M.jpg>

Better than MaveriX in my opinion.

But then the only California references I recognize are the real ones:

Hot Tub of Tears, Austin Lounge Lizards
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPjqP8fVdJ4>

[Howard S Shubs]

In article <fmoore-15893C....@mx05.eternal-september.org>,

Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> wrote:

> In article <howard-50CCED....@news.individual.net>,
> Howard S Shubs <how...@shubs.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <fmoore-5E65B8....@mx05.eternal-september.org>,
> > Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Then there'll be Pipeline, Tubular, and, of course, Gnarly
> > >
> > > Culminating in the epitome of competence and perspicacity: Doooode!
> >
> > The rest, I can see, but let's not use the Dell-ism. :->
>
> Okay then, how about: Like Totally and the perennial For Sure!

Gag me with a spoon!

[Jim Janney]

Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> writes:

> In article <0001HW.CDDBA7C2...@news.astraweb.com>,
> Nelson <nel...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> Don't people from California get that nobody else cares about their
>> "culture"? Reminds me of New Yorkers.

>
> I didn't see the keynote, so I guess I missed this point: Why is

> 'mavericks' a California reference? The word is based on the name of a
> Texan. Or alternately, John McCain of AZ. :-D
>
> In other news, since Apple ran out of felines, I guess 'mavericks' is
> shorter than 'unbranded, stray bovine', which is so exquisitly
> descriptive for a state-of-the art OS.
>
> BTW, why is it plural?
>
> Inquiring minds want to know!

A product name is like a joke: if you have to explain it, it loses most
of its punch. Call a product Jaguar and I think "oh, it's fast and
powerful." Call it Mavericks and I think "what?"

In the Southwestern U.S. Maverik is a chain of gas stations.

--
Jim Janney

[gtr]

On 2013-06-12 00:15:48 +0000, Jim Janney said:

> A product name is like a joke: if you have to explain it, it loses most
> of its punch. Call a product Jaguar and I think "oh, it's fast and
> powerful." Call it Mavericks and I think "what?"
>
> In the Southwestern U.S. Maverik is a chain of gas stations.

If I say Mavericks not a single image or concept pops into your noggin?
Have you ever played that free association game someone. Salt/pepper
and black/white are the easy ones, the associations come pre-made.
When I think of "Jaguar" I think of a car, not a feline. That's just me.

But unless your answer is salt/mother, black/mother and so forth I
would think you'd have something occur in your brain. Okay Maverick is
a chain of gas station and a basketball team; if that's what you think
of now, that's just fine. In a while you'll think of it as an operating
system name, just like I do now when I hear "Snow Leopard", for example.

[gtr]

On 2013-06-11 18:54:48 +0000, JF Mezei said:

> If Apple truly intends to choose "fun" place names, it could be to help
> project the image that Apple is still a young/energetic and fun loving
> company.

I don't think "fun" was their stated strata, but concepts that relate
to California. Ibelieve but I think he said "California related
themes", but am unsure.

[Fred Moore]

In article <2013061117390336048-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On 2013-06-12 00:15:48 +0000, Jim Janney said:
>
> > A product name is like a joke: if you have to explain it, it loses most
> > of its punch. Call a product Jaguar and I think "oh, it's fast and
> > powerful." Call it Mavericks and I think "what?"
> >
> > In the Southwestern U.S. Maverik is a chain of gas stations.
>
> If I say Mavericks not a single image or concept pops into your noggin?

Sarah Palin, the Cariboo Bimbo, and her looney-toon followers?

How does that promote Apple?

[Wes Groleau]

On 06-11-2013 02:10, gtr wrote:
> On 2013-06-11 05:30:16 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
>
>> In article <51b69dd0$0$2239$c3e8da3$40d4...@news.astraweb.com>,

>> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>> I was thinking they might be going for high-performance sports
>>>> locations-- the top places for skiing, whitewater kayaking, etc.
>>>

>>> New revenue source for Apple: Californian towns giving "gifts" to Apple
>>> to be named in the next OS release :-)
>>
>> I doubt that they will name any versions after cities or towns;
>> they'll use
>> other, inspiring, place names. I suspect we'll see a Big Sur, a Golden
>> Gate, maybe a Point Reyes, etc.
>
> Laguna, Catalina, Newport...

Bakersfield, Chula Vista, Weed, ...


--
Wes Groleau

From the cowardice that shrinks from new truth,
From the laziness that is content with half-truths,
From the arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
O God of Truth, deliver us.
--Leslie Dixon Weatherhead
--Rabbi Mordechai M. Kaplan
--ancient prayer
--unknown
--(no attempt at attribution)
(a thousand thanks to someone who can tell me who
really wrote it AND persuade me they're not making it up!)

[Howard S Shubs]

In article <2013061117390336048-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> But unless your answer is salt/mother, black/mother and so forth I
> would think you'd have something occur in your brain. Okay Maverick is
> a chain of gas station and a basketball team; if that's what you think
> of now, that's just fine. In a while you'll think of it as an operating
> system name, just like I do now when I hear "Snow Leopard", for example.

I thought of sports team, and I'm not a sports fan. I never heard of a
location named that before.

[Davoud]

Jim Janney:

> > A product name is like a joke: if you have to explain it, it loses most
> > of its punch. Call a product Jaguar and I think "oh, it's fast and
> > powerful." Call it Mavericks and I think "what?"

gtr:

> If I say Mavericks not a single image or concept pops into your noggin?
> Have you ever played that free association game someone. Salt/pepper
> and black/white are the easy ones, the associations come pre-made.
> When I think of "Jaguar" I think of a car, not a feline. That's just me.

I'm with Mr. Janney. In isolation, "Mavericks" evoked nothing. I had
never heard of the surfing beach, I didn't buy the John-McCain (#894 of
899 in his USNA graduating class)-as-maverick nostrum, we don't have
maverick calves running around my neighborhood, so "Mavericks" evoked a
big, fat, zero. Until yesterday.

> In a while you'll think of it as an operating system name...

No doubt. I got used to the painful "Think Different," so I imagine I
will become accustomed to the fatuous "Mavericks" as well. I at least
have the option of calling it 10.9 in my own usage.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

[Jim Janney]

gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> writes:

> On 2013-06-12 00:15:48 +0000, Jim Janney said:
>
>> A product name is like a joke: if you have to explain it, it loses most
>> of its punch. Call a product Jaguar and I think "oh, it's fast and
>> powerful." Call it Mavericks and I think "what?"
>>
>> In the Southwestern U.S. Maverik is a chain of gas stations.
>
> If I say Mavericks not a single image or concept pops into your
> noggin? Have you ever played that free association game
> someone. Salt/pepper and black/white are the easy ones, the
> associations come pre-made. When I think of "Jaguar" I think of a
> car, not a feline. That's just me.

The car is also fast and powerful, just as the name suggests.

--
Jim Janney

[Jim Janney]

Nelson <nel...@nowhere.com> writes:

> On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:24:13 -0400, Davoud wrote
> (in article <100620131624137867%st...@sky.net>):
>
>> You must stay very, very busy. Hyundai "Sonata." Pepsi "One." GMC
>> "Sedona." Chanel "No. 5." Subaru "OutbackŠ" Lotsa weird product names
>> out there.
>
> A product's name can be can be one of it's strongest marketing
> assets... or an albatross. Think "Zune".

More like "Edsel", I'd say. Everybody in Detroit know exactly what it
meant.

--
Jim Janney

[PhillipJones]

maybe it’s a reference to Bret and Bart Maverick of the TV Western The
Mavericks

--
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it"
http://www.phillipmjones.net mailto:pjon...@comcast.net

[Leonard Blaisdell]

In article <110620132346532560%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net>
wrote:

> No doubt. I got used to the painful "Think Different," so I imagine I
> will become accustomed to the fatuous "Mavericks" as well. I at least
> have the option of calling it 10.9 in my own usage.

What! I thought this Mavericks thing was for OS 11. Is the new name just
for a cheesy tenth of a point increase for 10? 10.9 ought to be a cat. I
would suggest Alley if they can't come up with something better.
Did Apple not realize that they couldn't come up with nine cats?

leo

[gtr]

It doesn't. You've demonstrated that you don't think of "what?",
though. I imagine there are vastly more associations to be made of
"Lion". So, really, who gives a fuck?

[gtr]

On 2013-06-12 03:46:53 +0000, Davoud said:

> Jim Janney:
>>> A product name is like a joke: if you have to explain it, it loses most
>>> of its punch. Call a product Jaguar and I think "oh, it's fast and
>>> powerful." Call it Mavericks and I think "what?"
>
> gtr:
>> If I say Mavericks not a single image or concept pops into your noggin?
>> Have you ever played that free association game someone. Salt/pepper
>> and black/white are the easy ones, the associations come pre-made.
>> When I think of "Jaguar" I think of a car, not a feline. That's just me.
>
> I'm with Mr. Janney. In isolation, "Mavericks" evoked nothing.

Cool. I figure for marketing it's not going to be as much a problem as
an operating system named, say "Cancer" or "Rectum" or something.

[gtr]

On 2013-06-12 01:24:21 +0000, Wes Groleau said:

> On 06-11-2013 02:10, gtr wrote:
>> On 2013-06-11 05:30:16 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
>>
>>> In article <51b69dd0$0$2239$c3e8da3$40d4...@news.astraweb.com>,
>>> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I was thinking they might be going for high-performance sports
>>>>> locations-- the top places for skiing, whitewater kayaking, etc.
>>>>
>>>> New revenue source for Apple: Californian towns giving "gifts" to Apple
>>>> to be named in the next OS release :-)
>>>
>>> I doubt that they will name any versions after cities or towns;
>>> they'll use
>>> other, inspiring, place names. I suspect we'll see a Big Sur, a Golden
>>> Gate, maybe a Point Reyes, etc.
>>
>> Laguna, Catalina, Newport...
>
> Bakersfield, Chula Vista, Weed, ...

Sunburn, Watts, Speedo, ...

[David Empson]

Did you realise that there was a 10.0?

Mountain Lion was the ninth cat.

10.0 Cheetah
10.1 Puma
10.2 Jaguar
10.3 Panther
10.4 Tiger
10.5 Leopard
10.6 Snow Leopard
10.7 Lion
10.8 Mountain Lion

Does that mean California is where cats go in their afterlife?

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Neill Massello]

Nelson <nel...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Don't people from California get that nobody else cares about their
> "culture"? Reminds me of New Yorkers.

Chill, dude. It's a code name, of no more importance than the proverbial
fifteen minutes of jokes around the proverbial water cooler.

May 10.10 be named Cucamonga.

[Sandman]

In article <0001HW.CDDBA7C2...@news.astraweb.com>,

Nelson <nel...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Don't people from California get that nobody else cares about their
> "culture"? Reminds me of New Yorkers.

Also, did they not earlier understand that nobody else care about large
feline "predators"? Reminds me of botanists.


--
Sandman[.net]

[Paul Sture]

In article <timstreater-AE1E...@news.individual.net>,

Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <2013061117390336048-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>

> > On 2013-06-12 00:15:48 +0000, Jim Janney said:
> >
> > > A product name is like a joke: if you have to explain it, it loses most
> > > of its punch. Call a product Jaguar and I think "oh, it's fast and
> > > powerful." Call it Mavericks and I think "what?"
> > >
> > > In the Southwestern U.S. Maverik is a chain of gas stations.
> >
> > If I say Mavericks not a single image or concept pops into your noggin?
>

> Nope.

I think the first time I came across the word "maverick" as a youngster
was in a comic book featuring a tale of the Wild West (Wyatt Earp, Roy
Rogers or similar hero) where the hero had a problem with some "maverick
cowboys", which meant "baddies" to me.

A negative image, if any.

P.S.

John Wayne Maverick photo (original for sale)

<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jack-Kelly-Maverick-Original-8x10-Photo-E5249-/370680137175>

--
Paul Sture

[Paul Sture]

In article <110620132346532560%st...@sky.net>, Davoud <st...@sky.net>
wrote:

> No doubt. I got used to the painful "Think Different," so I imagine I
> will become accustomed to the fatuous "Mavericks" as well. I at least
> have the option of calling it 10.9 in my own usage.

Since someone suggested MaveriX, a suitable abbreviation might be MX; cf
ML for Mountain Lion.

--
Paul Sture

[Paul Sture]

In article <1l4d2hc.1iilan1n715lqN%dem...@actrix.gen.nz>,

Or is California where the Cool Cats go?

--
Paul Sture

[AV3]

and...Cuckamunga.


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[AV3]

Linux Ubuntu announces names several upgrades in advance. They grabbed
Ocelot some time back.

[gtr]

On 2013-06-12 14:23:48 +0000, AV3 said:

> On Jun/12/2013 12:3100 AM, gtr wrote:
>> On 2013-06-12 01:24:21 +0000, Wes Groleau said:
>>
>>> On 06-11-2013 02:10, gtr wrote:
>>>> On 2013-06-11 05:30:16 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <51b69dd0$0$2239$c3e8da3$40d4...@news.astraweb.com>,
>>>>> JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was thinking they might be going for high-performance sports
>>>>>>> locations-- the top places for skiing, whitewater kayaking, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New revenue source for Apple: Californian towns giving "gifts" to
>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>> to be named in the next OS release :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I doubt that they will name any versions after cities or towns;
>>>>> they'll use
>>>>> other, inspiring, place names. I suspect we'll see a Big Sur, a Golden
>>>>> Gate, maybe a Point Reyes, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Laguna, Catalina, Newport...
>>>
>>> Bakersfield, Chula Vista, Weed, ...
>>
>> Sunburn, Watts, Speedo, ...
>
> and...Cuckamunga.

That's Cucamonga.

[gtr]

Perhaps they didn't realize that there were so many folk out there with
vast amounts of time for carping about how an OS is named. I don't know
how they get past the first page of the newspaper each day from the
bitching and whining about nothing in particular--and nothing
specifically.

And wandering down a grocery aisle looking at product names must incur
months of bellyaching.

[Fred Moore]

In article <kp8s2k$771$1...@news.albasani.net>,

PhillipJones <pjon...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Jim Janney wrote:
> > Fred Moore<fmo...@gcfn.org> writes:
> >
> >> In article<0001HW.CDDBA7C2...@news.astraweb.com>,
> >> Nelson<nel...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Don't people from California get that nobody else cares about their
> >>> "culture"? Reminds me of New Yorkers.
> >>
> >> I didn't see the keynote, so I guess I missed this point: Why is
> >> 'mavericks' a California reference? The word is based on the name of a
> >> Texan. Or alternately, John McCain of AZ. :-D
> >>
> >> In other news, since Apple ran out of felines, I guess 'mavericks' is
> >> shorter than 'unbranded, stray bovine', which is so exquisitly
> >> descriptive for a state-of-the art OS.
> >>
> >> BTW, why is it plural?
> >>
> >> Inquiring minds want to know!
> >
> > A product name is like a joke: if you have to explain it, it loses most
> > of its punch. Call a product Jaguar and I think "oh, it's fast and
> > powerful." Call it Mavericks and I think "what?"
> >
> > In the Southwestern U.S. Maverik is a chain of gas stations.
> >

> maybe it零 a reference to Bret and Bart Maverick of the TV Western The
> Mavericks

Oooo, oooo, oooo! I just figured it out. Apple is referencing that
pinnacle of automotive excellence, the Ford Maverick! Too bad the new OS
doesn't come with black and white plastic plaid seat covers!!! Maybe
they can make that an optional skin for the new Mac Pro. <swoon>

--
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time style has no sense. That's one reason engineers and many other
techies have a hard time grokking 'style'. We have a hard time figuring
out how to approach utter nonsense.

[Doc O'Leary]

In article <1l4c56b.1uyoitewx6f6N%nmas...@yahoo.com>,

Nah, they should shoot for 10.10 being Cupertino, call it "the perfect
10", and then roll 11.0 out the door. We're long overdue for a major
overhaul.

--
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and probably your server, too.

[Jim Gibson]

In article <2013061117403720406-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On 2013-06-11 18:54:48 +0000, JF Mezei said:
>
> > If Apple truly intends to choose "fun" place names, it could be to help
> > project the image that Apple is still a young/energetic and fun loving
> > company.
>
> I don't think "fun" was their stated strata, but concepts that relate
> to California. Ibelieve but I think he said "California related
> themes", but am unsure.

The phrase used was "places in California that inspire us."

So, maybe "Starbucks".

--
Jim Gibson

[Davoud]

Nelson:
> When a dog barks at you do you bark back?

Sometimes. Startles the hell out of them and often frightens them away,
as well.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

[gtr]

On 2013-06-12 15:56:05 +0000, Nelson said:

> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:51:32 -0400, gtr wrote
> (in article <2013061207513228046-xxx@yyyzzz>):

> And yet you seem to have an equally copious amount of time to comment
> on their comments :-) When a dog barks at you do you bark back?

A dog's barking isn't really commentary, and responding to them in
order to illuminate their compulsions isn't even a remote possibility.

But your point is well made: Trying to underscore how inane an
emotional response is to an OS being named "Mavericks" is beyond
education.

Let the angst and the tearing of hair continue...

[gtr]

On 2013-06-12 16:00:10 +0000, Jim Gibson said:

> In article <2013061117403720406-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-06-11 18:54:48 +0000, JF Mezei said:
>>
>>> If Apple truly intends to choose "fun" place names, it could be to help
>>> project the image that Apple is still a young/energetic and fun loving
>>> company.
>>
>> I don't think "fun" was their stated strata, but concepts that relate

>> to California. [...] I think he said "California related

>> themes", but am unsure.
>
> The phrase used was "places in California that inspire us."
>
> So, maybe "Starbucks".

If anything is not region-specific it would have to be Starbucks.

Just to underscore how unbelievably stupid this decision was on Apple's
part, note how much yammering is taking place on the topic. It's a PR
tragedy that so many have so much to say about this name selection!

If only Windows 8 had be named "Cornhole" or something, who knows how
much of the world's attention it would have garnered.

[JF Mezei]

On 13-06-12 06:51, Neill Massello wrote:

> May 10.10 be named Cucamonga.

Rancho Cucamonga to be more precise :-) I have an uncle who lives there.
And he is right next to Canada because Cucamonga is right next to
Ontario :-)

I can see Monterey, Catalina, Malibu, Sequoia, Shasta, Yosemite, DelRey etc

There are lots of opportunities.

[JF Mezei]

On 13-06-12 13:46, gtr wrote:
>
> Just to underscore how unbelievably stupid this decision was on Apple's
> part, note how much yammering is taking place on the topic. It's a PR
> tragedy that so many have so much to say about this name selection!

I think you are mistaking friendly banter about "Maverick's" with
serious discussion. Just because folks discuss it doesn't mean that
people take it seriously. In those Mac vs PC ads, did Apple ever even
use cat names ?

The name of the OS is not that important. But it is fun to speculate on
what is next. And I bet they will have lots of internal
suggestions/debates at Apple over the next year over what the next name
is going to be.

While Apple did provide an OS icon for "Sea Lion" (as well as all
previous cat OS versions) , did they provide one for Maverick's ? I
don't recall.

[gtr]

On 2013-06-12 18:05:02 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> In article <2013061210460124510-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>
>> Just to underscore how unbelievably stupid this decision was on Apple's
>> part, note how much yammering is taking place on the topic. It's a PR
>> tragedy that so many have so much to say about this name selection!
>

> I don't think that the stupidity it demonstrates is Apple's.

Yeah; it was a "don't throw me in that mean ol' briar patch" kinda thing.

[gtr]

On 2013-06-12 18:21:57 +0000, JF Mezei said:

> On 13-06-12 13:46, gtr wrote:
>>
>> Just to underscore how unbelievably stupid this decision was on Apple's
>> part, note how much yammering is taking place on the topic. It's a PR
>> tragedy that so many have so much to say about this name selection!
>
> I think you are mistaking friendly banter about "Maverick's" with
> serious discussion. Just because folks discuss it doesn't mean that
> people take it seriously.

Wait: It's friendly banner, not serious discussion, but they take it seriously?

> In those Mac vs PC ads, did Apple ever even use cat names ?

I dunno. Is that important, serious or friendly?

> The name of the OS is not that important. But it is fun to speculate on
> what is next. And I bet they will have lots of internal
> suggestions/debates at Apple over the next year over what the next name
> is going to be.

I agree. Perhaps we're looking at different posts. I saw cut-and-poste
mewlying about California's "culture", indications that it was a PR
goof, with seemingly dire consequences. The posts predicting similar
naming conventions--and whatever might define them--was a different
line of thought.

> While Apple did provide an OS icon for "Sea Lion" (as well as all
> previous cat OS versions) , did they provide one for Maverick's ? I
> don't recall.

Yes: A very simple "X" in a white circle.

[gtr]

Strike Shasta; there'd be some legal complications. Hell there might be
with many of the the others as well!