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John Albert
May 2, 2013, 11:39:44 AM5/2/13
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I'm using a 2012 Mac Mini, OS 10.8.4 running off of an
externally-mounted (USB3) Intel 520 series SSD.
The Mac boots -very- quickly this way, up to the point where
the login screen is displayed (single user).
However -- once I enter my password and hit return, there is
a spinning beachball (actually to the right of the login
text entry box) which spins for about 10-15 seconds until
the finder/desktop is displayed.
I don't recall such a long latency with earlier versions of
the OS.
Something is going on here that wasn't happening in earlier
versions. It's as if the OS or finder is "looking for"
certain information. Almost reminds me of olden days where
(after I deleted the desktop files so they would be
reconstructed during bootup) the finder was "rebuilding the
desktop" before it was displayed and ready for use.
I'm not really complaining, but…
What are the background processes that are happening between
the password login and the "availability" of the finder/desktop?
externally-mounted (USB3) Intel 520 series SSD.
The Mac boots -very- quickly this way, up to the point where
the login screen is displayed (single user).
However -- once I enter my password and hit return, there is
a spinning beachball (actually to the right of the login
text entry box) which spins for about 10-15 seconds until
the finder/desktop is displayed.
I don't recall such a long latency with earlier versions of
the OS.
Something is going on here that wasn't happening in earlier
versions. It's as if the OS or finder is "looking for"
certain information. Almost reminds me of olden days where
(after I deleted the desktop files so they would be
reconstructed during bootup) the finder was "rebuilding the
desktop" before it was displayed and ready for use.
I'm not really complaining, but…
What are the background processes that are happening between
the password login and the "availability" of the finder/desktop?
nospam
May 2, 2013, 11:44:03 AM5/2/13
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In article <518288c0$0$65100$862e...@ngroups.net>, John Albert
> The Mac boots -very- quickly this way, up to the point where
> the login screen is displayed (single user).
>
> However -- once I enter my password and hit return, there is
> a spinning beachball (actually to the right of the login
> text entry box) which spins for about 10-15 seconds until
> the finder/desktop is displayed.
report the bug to apple. hopefully whatever issue is fixed in the
customer release of 10.8.4.
<j.al...@snet.net> wrote:
> I'm using a 2012 Mac Mini, OS 10.8.4 running off of an
> externally-mounted (USB3) Intel 520 series SSD.
are you a developer? 10.8.4 is not public yet.
> I'm using a 2012 Mac Mini, OS 10.8.4 running off of an
> externally-mounted (USB3) Intel 520 series SSD.
> The Mac boots -very- quickly this way, up to the point where
> the login screen is displayed (single user).
>
> However -- once I enter my password and hit return, there is
> a spinning beachball (actually to the right of the login
> text entry box) which spins for about 10-15 seconds until
> the finder/desktop is displayed.
customer release of 10.8.4.
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Kevin McMurtrie
May 2, 2013, 12:22:02 PM5/2/13
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> I'm using a 2012 Mac Mini, OS 10.8.4 running off of an
> externally-mounted (USB3) Intel 520 series SSD.
>
> The Mac boots -very- quickly this way, up to the point where
> the login screen is displayed (single user).
>
> However -- once I enter my password and hit return, there is
> a spinning beachball (actually to the right of the login
> text entry box) which spins for about 10-15 seconds until
> the finder/desktop is displayed.
>
> I don't recall such a long latency with earlier versions of
> the OS.
>
> Something is going on here that wasn't happening in earlier
> versions. It's as if the OS or finder is "looking for"
> certain information. Almost reminds me of olden days where
> (after I deleted the desktop files so they would be
> reconstructed during bootup) the finder was "rebuilding the
> desktop" before it was displayed and ready for use.
>
> I'm not really complaining, butŠ
> externally-mounted (USB3) Intel 520 series SSD.
>
> The Mac boots -very- quickly this way, up to the point where
> the login screen is displayed (single user).
>
> However -- once I enter my password and hit return, there is
> a spinning beachball (actually to the right of the login
> text entry box) which spins for about 10-15 seconds until
> the finder/desktop is displayed.
>
> I don't recall such a long latency with earlier versions of
> the OS.
>
> Something is going on here that wasn't happening in earlier
> versions. It's as if the OS or finder is "looking for"
> certain information. Almost reminds me of olden days where
> (after I deleted the desktop files so they would be
> reconstructed during bootup) the finder was "rebuilding the
> desktop" before it was displayed and ready for use.
>
> What are the background processes that are happening between
> the password login and the "availability" of the finder/desktop?
Considering that 10.8 takes minutes to boot off a spinning disk, that's
> the password login and the "availability" of the finder/desktop?
not bad. It's probably bottlenecking on the aging filesystem code.
Each new version of OS X has added a new burden to it without a
corresponding optimization.
Ah, remember the good old days when Apple strived to keep the boot time
under 30 seconds?
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John Albert
May 2, 2013, 5:31:13 PM5/2/13
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On 5/2/13 11:44 AM, nospam wrote:
> report the bug to apple. hopefully whatever issue is fixed in the
> customer release of 10.8.4.
The problem has been there since 10.8.2 ...
> report the bug to apple. hopefully whatever issue is fixed in the
> customer release of 10.8.4.
Did the same thing in 10.8.3.
It seems to be "independent" of the version of the OS.
nospam
May 2, 2013, 5:34:25 PM5/2/13
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In article <5182db20$0$535$862e...@ngroups.net>, John Albert
then it probably will be in 10.8.4 too.
John Albert
May 2, 2013, 5:35:02 PM5/2/13
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On 5/2/13 12:22 PM, Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> Considering that 10.8 takes minutes to boot off a spinning disk, that's
> not bad. It's probably bottlenecking on the aging filesystem code.
From the time I press the power-on button, it's only about
> Considering that 10.8 takes minutes to boot off a spinning disk, that's
> not bad. It's probably bottlenecking on the aging filesystem code.
10-14 seconds to the login screen.
The delay is _after_ I enter my password and hit the return key.
I'm wondering what the OS loads between that point and the
finder.
I sense it's _something_ that "user intervention" can
modify. But what?
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Kevin McMurtrie
May 2, 2013, 11:53:02 PM5/2/13
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In article <5182dc06$0$5352$862e...@ngroups.net>,
There's not a lot running before you log in. Finder, Dock, some
Spotlight tasks, AppleSpell, iTunes Helper, Airport Base Station, VNC
Server, SystemUIServer, and a bunch of other junk needs to launch.
Applications need to be scanned to fetch their icons. Libraries need to
be decompressed. Auto-save states need to be examined. Virtual memory
tuning is broken so it takes a while to create all of its tiny swapfiles
while this happens.
Power-on to GUI takes over 5 minutes on my work laptop running 10.8.3
with a 7200 RPM drive. It's over twice as long as an older laptop
running 10.6.8. 10.7 and 10.8 are just poorly tuned and bloated.
If you have another machine, log in with SSH and take a look at it while
you log in to the GUI.
Spotlight tasks, AppleSpell, iTunes Helper, Airport Base Station, VNC
Server, SystemUIServer, and a bunch of other junk needs to launch.
Applications need to be scanned to fetch their icons. Libraries need to
be decompressed. Auto-save states need to be examined. Virtual memory
tuning is broken so it takes a while to create all of its tiny swapfiles
while this happens.
Power-on to GUI takes over 5 minutes on my work laptop running 10.8.3
with a 7200 RPM drive. It's over twice as long as an older laptop
running 10.6.8. 10.7 and 10.8 are just poorly tuned and bloated.
If you have another machine, log in with SSH and take a look at it while
you log in to the GUI.
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dorayme
May 3, 2013, 3:38:24 AM5/3/13
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In article <5183349e$0$52827$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
little time, I'd say less than 20 secs (but I will time it soon).
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dorayme
Kevin McMurtrie <mcmu...@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> Power-on to GUI takes over 5 minutes on my work laptop running 10.8.3
> with a 7200 RPM drive.
That is slow. A MB, 320GB, 5040, running Snow Leopard, takes very
> Power-on to GUI takes over 5 minutes on my work laptop running 10.8.3
> with a 7200 RPM drive.
little time, I'd say less than 20 secs (but I will time it soon).
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Király
May 3, 2013, 10:28:46 AM5/3/13
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John Albert <j.al...@snet.net> wrote:
> The delay is _after_ I enter my password and hit the return key.
>
> I'm wondering what the OS loads between that point and the
> finder.
>
> I sense it's _something_ that "user intervention" can
> modify. But what?
Did you ever enter the defaults write hack that disables auto save,
> The delay is _after_ I enter my password and hit the return key.
>
> I'm wondering what the OS loads between that point and the
> finder.
>
> I sense it's _something_ that "user intervention" can
> modify. But what?
versions, and resume? That causes a login delay like what you describe.
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John Albert
May 3, 2013, 10:54:32 AM5/3/13
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On 5/3/13 10:28 AM, Király wrote:
> Did you ever enter the defaults write hack that disables auto save,
> versions, and resume? That causes a login delay like what you describe.
No, I don't think I did.
> Did you ever enter the defaults write hack that disables auto save,
> versions, and resume? That causes a login delay like what you describe.
Can you direct me to instructions on just how to do this?
I can handle simple terminal-based instructions, from the
standpoint of a non-UNIX user...
John Albert
May 3, 2013, 10:55:19 AM5/3/13
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On 5/2/13 10:29 PM, Lewis wrote:
> Is the boot drive encrypted with File Vault? That sounds exactly like a
> FV boot.
No, never use that stuff.
> Is the boot drive encrypted with File Vault? That sounds exactly like a
> FV boot.
No, never use that stuff.
Király
May 3, 2013, 5:21:54 PM5/3/13
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John Albert <j.al...@snet.net> wrote:
> On 5/3/13 10:28 AM, Király wrote:
> > Did you ever enter the defaults write hack that disables auto save,
> > versions, and resume? That causes a login delay like what you describe.
>
> No, I don't think I did.
>
> Can you direct me to instructions on just how to do this?
The command to disable auto save, versions, and resume is:
> On 5/3/13 10:28 AM, Király wrote:
> > Did you ever enter the defaults write hack that disables auto save,
> > versions, and resume? That causes a login delay like what you describe.
>
> No, I don't think I did.
>
> Can you direct me to instructions on just how to do this?
defaults write -g ApplePersistence -bool no
To undo:
defaults delete -g ApplePersistence
Jolly Roger
May 20, 2013, 6:27:20 PM5/20/13
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In article <slrnko68ed....@mbp55.local>,
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <518288c0$0$65100$862e...@ngroups.net>
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Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <518288c0$0$65100$862e...@ngroups.net>
> John Albert <j.al...@snet.net> wrote:
> > I'm using a 2012 Mac Mini, OS 10.8.4 running off of an
> > externally-mounted (USB3) Intel 520 series SSD.
>
> > The Mac boots -very- quickly this way, up to the point where
> > the login screen is displayed (single user).
>
> > However -- once I enter my password and hit return, there is
> > a spinning beachball (actually to the right of the login
> > text entry box) which spins for about 10-15 seconds until
> > the finder/desktop is displayed.
>
> > I'm using a 2012 Mac Mini, OS 10.8.4 running off of an
> > externally-mounted (USB3) Intel 520 series SSD.
>
> > The Mac boots -very- quickly this way, up to the point where
> > the login screen is displayed (single user).
>
> > However -- once I enter my password and hit return, there is
> > a spinning beachball (actually to the right of the login
> > text entry box) which spins for about 10-15 seconds until
> > the finder/desktop is displayed.
>
> Is the boot drive encrypted with File Vault? That sounds exactly like a
> FV boot.
Yep, that's how my Mac Pro starts up.
> FV boot.
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Jolly Roger
May 20, 2013, 6:28:16 PM5/20/13
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Jolly Roger
May 20, 2013, 6:29:35 PM5/20/13
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In article <vilain-9AA624....@news.individual.net>,
Michael Vilain <vil...@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <5182dc06$0$5352$862e...@ngroups.net>,
> try holding the shift key down while you click the login button. Does
> that shorten the time between the login window dissappearing and the
> desktop appearing?
Good suggestion.
Michael Vilain <vil...@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <5182dc06$0$5352$862e...@ngroups.net>,
> that shorten the time between the login window dissappearing and the
> desktop appearing?
Good suggestion.
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