Imac in one room, speaker(s) another
Robert Montgomery
another room, where one or more speakers would play music broadcast by
music stations on the Internet?
The distance would be about 40 feet from the computer in one room to the
speaker or speakers in the other room.
Robert
Richard Hix
stereo system, one in the living room to a small Sony 2-speaker
desktop size box with an iPhone dock. Routing through iTunes to both
works great.
Richard
Robert Montgomery
> In article <u2mpm.44176$PH1.15294@edtnps82>,
> box, configure it to use Airtunes, and plug it into your stereo. The
> Mac will broadcast whatever iTunes is playing through "Airtunes" to the
> ApE box and your stereo will play it.
>
> You may have problems driving speakers with the right impedance through
> the Mac. Voltage does drop with distance due to the resistance in the
> wire. If it pulls to much current to drive the speakers through 40 ft.
> of wire, you could have a problem with the Mac. If you use a iMic USB
> device, it will drive regular headphones. It just won't be very loud.
>
> Go with the ApE box ($99) and your stereo (or a boombox with the right
> cables).
Thanks, people. Your idea sounds good, but I don't think it'll work.
I'm a subscriber to live365.com (http://www.live365.com) � because it
has a lot of radio stations.
It claims to have 6,000 Internet radio stations, while Itunes has only a
paltry selection of a few dozen.
The Apple site
(http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/features/airtunes.html) says that
Airport Express works with Itunes. It doesn't say it works with live365.com.
Robert
Kurt Ullman
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>nk it'll work.
>
> I'm a subscriber to live365.com (http://www.live365.com) � because it
> has a lot of radio stations.
>
> It claims to have 6,000 Internet radio stations, while Itunes has only a
> paltry selection of a few dozen.
>
> The Apple site
> (http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/features/airtunes.html) says that
> Airport Express works with Itunes. It doesn't say it works with live365.com.
>
> Robert
Would Airfoil work with your set-up through the AE?
http://rogueamoeba.com/airfoil/mac/
--
Searching is half the fun: life is much more manageable when thought
of as a scavenger hunt as opposed to a surprise party.
Jimmy Buffett
AES
Michael Vilain <vil...@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> if your iMac has a wireless connection, you can buy an Airport Extreme
> box, configure it to use Airtunes, and plug it into your stereo. The
You meant "Airport Express"?
VAXman-
>Michael Vilain wrote:
>> In article <u2mpm.44176$PH1.15294@edtnps82>,
>> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Would it be feasible to string a cord from my late 2006 Imac into
>>> another room, where one or more speakers would play music broadcast by
>>> music stations on the Internet?
>>>
>>> The distance would be about 40 feet from the computer in one room to the
>>> speaker or speakers in the other room.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> if your iMac has a wireless connection, you can buy an Airport Extreme
>> box, configure it to use Airtunes, and plug it into your stereo. The
>> Mac will broadcast whatever iTunes is playing through "Airtunes" to the
>> ApE box and your stereo will play it.
>>
>> You may have problems driving speakers with the right impedance through
>> the Mac. Voltage does drop with distance due to the resistance in the
>> wire. If it pulls to much current to drive the speakers through 40 ft.
>> of wire, you could have a problem with the Mac. If you use a iMic USB
>> device, it will drive regular headphones. It just won't be very loud.
>>
>> Go with the ApE box ($99) and your stereo (or a boombox with the right
>> cables).
>
>Thanks, people. Your idea sounds good, but I don't think it'll work.
>
>
>It claims to have 6,000 Internet radio stations, while Itunes has only a
>paltry selection of a few dozen.
Why? Can't you type a URL into the iTunes->Advanced>Open Audio Stream
URL textbox?
Being affiliated with one of the first stations listed in iTunes 1.0,
I see no advantage to paying for or subscribing to live365.
--
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http://www.quirkfactory.com/popart/asskey/eqn2.png
"Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"
isw
Michael Vilain <vil...@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <u2mpm.44176$PH1.15294@edtnps82>,
> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>
> if your iMac has a wireless connection, you can buy an Airport Extreme
> box, configure it to use Airtunes, and plug it into your stereo. The
> Mac will broadcast whatever iTunes is playing through "Airtunes" to the
> ApE box and your stereo will play it.
>
> You may have problems driving speakers with the right impedance through
> the Mac.
You'll need to use powered speakers, or some sort of amplifier. The
Mac's output is sufficient for headphones, but not for loudspeakers.
> Voltage does drop with distance due to the resistance in the
> wire.
That is true, but it is insignifiant.
> If it pulls to much current to drive the speakers through 40 ft.
> of wire, you could have a problem with the Mac.
That cannot happen. The (inconsequentially greater) voltage drop will
not cause more current to be drawn; just the opposite.
If you use an amplifier and place it in the other room, you may have a
problem with a "ground loop", which will cause hum to show up in the
audio. That can be resolved by using some sort of isolation transformers
in the audio lines. I don't have any sources, but a bit of googling
should point you in the right direction.
If you put the amplifier adjacent to the Mac and run long wires to the
speakers, that cannot happen.
Isaac
AES
VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>
> Being affiliated with one of the first stations listed in iTunes 1.0,
> I see no advantage to paying for or subscribing to live365.
>
There are some of us around who would go a long, long
way to avoid having anything to do with iTunes.
George Kerby
On 9/8/09 9:51 AM, in article
michelle-77BF0F...@news.eternal-september.org, "Michelle
Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <cHtpm.44180$PH1.2500@edtnps82>,
> iTunes is a software application; live365.com is a web site.
And, the part about "a few dozen" stations available via iTunes is
questionable. Hell, the 'Talk and Spoken Word" section alone has to have
more than I can count because I have to scroll on my 24" monitor to get to
the end.
Robert Montgomery
> In article <u2mpm.44176$PH1.15294@edtnps82>,
> box, configure it to use Airtunes, and plug it into your stereo.
Would it plug into the stereo's Mic or Phones outlet?
> The
> Mac will broadcast whatever iTunes is playing through "Airtunes" to the
> ApE box and your stereo will play it.
>
> You may have problems driving speakers with the right impedance through
Sander Tekelenburg
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> Michael Vilain wrote:
[...]
> > if your iMac has a wireless connection, you can buy an Airport Extreme
> > box, configure it to use Airtunes, and plug it into your stereo.
>
> Would it plug into the stereo's Mic or Phones outlet?
Into its aux inlet.
Notes:
- Michael (must have) meant the AirportExpress
- if you would run a cable from the Mac's sound out to the stereo, *all*
your Mac's sound will go there, including system beeps, etc.
- out of the box only iTunes can stream to an AirportExpress, and the
AirportExpress can only handle Apple's favorite codecs. OGGs won't work,
for example -- the third-party app Airfoil let's you send the sound of
any app to the AirportExpress. (I've never used it myself though. iTunes
is good enough for me.)
--
Sander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/>
Mac user: "Macs only have 40 viruses, tops!"
PC user: "SEE! Not even the virus writers support Macs!"
MC
Sander Tekelenburg <us...@domain.invalid> wrote:
> In article <WOOpm.44304$PH1.28328@edtnps82>,
> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>
> > Michael Vilain wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > if your iMac has a wireless connection, you can buy an Airport Extreme
> > > box, configure it to use Airtunes, and plug it into your stereo.
> >
> > Would it plug into the stereo's Mic or Phones outlet?
>
> Into its aux inlet.
>
> Notes:
> - Michael (must have) meant the AirportExpress
> - if you would run a cable from the Mac's sound out to the stereo, *all*
> your Mac's sound will go there, including system beeps, etc.
> - out of the box only iTunes can stream to an AirportExpress, and the
> AirportExpress can only handle Apple's favorite codecs. OGGs won't work,
> for example -- the third-party app Airfoil let's you send the sound of
> any app to the AirportExpress. (I've never used it myself though. iTunes
> is good enough for me.)
I'm coming to this thread late, but I have a RocketFM gizmo - a USB FM
Transmitter. You can find them on eBay. It is discontinued (by Griffin,
I believe) and the driver for Leopard and Snow Leopard may not be on
their web site, but if you contact them they will send it to you.
Getting it in the right position and the volume controls is a bit
fiddly, but once it's working, it works really well...
--
"If you can, tell me something happy."
- Marybones
Kurt Ullman
Sander Tekelenburg <us...@domain.invalid> wrote:
>k,
> for example -- the third-party app Airfoil let's you send the sound of
> any app to the AirportExpress. (I've never used it myself though. iTunes
> is good enough for me.)
Love Airfoil for the stuff iTunes can't. For example Deep Tracks
from Sirius or my John Hiatt station from Pandora (or my Christmas
station when the time comes) all go to the B&O stereo for better quality
than from the speakers. I also can get them on the deck or down in the
basement should I desire.
Robert Montgomery
> In article <WOOpm.44304$PH1.28328@edtnps82>,
> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> In article <WOOpm.44304$PH1.28328@edtnps82>,
> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>
>> Michael Vilain wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>> if your iMac has a wireless connection, you can buy an Airport Extreme
>>> box, configure it to use Airtunes, and plug it into your stereo.
>
> Into its aux inlet.
>
> Notes:
> - Michael (must have) meant the AirportExpress
> - if you would run a cable from the Mac's sound out to the stereo, *all*
> your Mac's sound will go there, including system beeps, etc.
> - out of the box only iTunes can stream to an AirportExpress, and the
> AirportExpress can only handle Apple's favorite codecs. OGGs won't work,
> for example -- the third-party app Airfoil let's you send the sound of
> any app to the AirportExpress. (I've never used it myself though. iTunes
> is good enough for me.)
>
> >> Would it plug into the stereo's Mic or Phones outlet?
> Into its aux inlet.
It doesn't have an aux inlet. It only has a "Phones" inlet, which
doesn't work when the Airport Express cable is plugged into it. (I have
a Curtis Multifunction LCD Display mini stereo.)
So I shopped for powered speakers. I found a nice set for $40 (Altec
Lansing VS2620) but the salesman said it's for computers - not steros,
so I didn't buy them.
I just shopped for a powered speaker. Can anyone recommend a cheap set
for less than $75
Robert
Robert Montgomery
> In article <cHtpm.44180$PH1.2500@edtnps82>, Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> writes:
>> Michael Vilain wrote:
>>> In article <u2mpm.44176$PH1.15294@edtnps82>,
>>> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Would it be feasible to string a cord from my late 2006 Imac into
>>>> another room, where one or more speakers would play music broadcast by
>>>> music stations on the Internet?
>>>>
>>>> The distance would be about 40 feet from the computer in one room to the
>>>> speaker or speakers in the other room.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>> if your iMac has a wireless connection, you can buy an Airport Extreme
>>> box, configure it to use Airtunes, and plug it into your stereo. The
>>> Mac will broadcast whatever iTunes is playing through "Airtunes" to the
>>> ApE box and your stereo will play it.
>>>
>>> You may have problems driving speakers with the right impedance through
>>> the Mac. Voltage does drop with distance due to the resistance in the
>>> wire. If it pulls to much current to drive the speakers through 40 ft.
>>> of wire, you could have a problem with the Mac. If you use a iMic USB
>>> device, it will drive regular headphones. It just won't be very loud.
>>>
>>> Go with the ApE box ($99) and your stereo (or a boombox with the right
>>> cables).
>> Thanks, people. Your idea sounds good, but I don't think it'll work.
>>
>>
>> It claims to have 6,000 Internet radio stations, while Itunes has only a
>> paltry selection of a few dozen.
>
> Why? Can't you type a URL into the iTunes->Advanced>Open Audio Stream
> URL textbox?
>
> Being affiliated with one of the first stations listed in iTunes 1.0,
> I see no advantage to paying for or subscribing to live365.
Thanks. I hadn't realized that there are so many stations on Itunes. I
cancelled my subscription to live365 and have switched back to Itunes,
which seems to be just as good.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
I don't think I need Extreme because the salesman who sold me Express
today didn't tell me I need Extreme.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
I wonder why the Express brochure shows in the illustration for the
setup of the:
"Existing Wireless Network and Stream Music to Your Home Stereo" with an
Airport Extreme Base Station attached to the computer's Ethernet port
and broadcasting signals to the Airport Express.
And there's no illustration in the brochure that shows the setup with an
Iphone dock.
Also, I just bought two Altec powered speakers but they won't hook into
my Curtis mini stereo, so I have to return them to a store and buy a new
stereo instead.
This is so confusing and frustrating. I should have known it would be
like this.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
Okay; I got it, finally. Thanks.
Robert
Sander Tekelenburg
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
[... something to hook an AirportExpress' audio out to]
> So I shopped for powered speakers. I found a nice set for $40 (Altec
> Lansing VS2620) but the salesman said it's for computers - not steros,
"Powered speakers", are boxes containing both an amp and speaker. So,
yes, those cannot be connected to yet another amp. But that's exactly
the point of "powerd speakers" -- to not also need a separate amp. So I
don't understand why you're looking for powered speakers if you want to
hook them up to your amp... Makes no sense.
You want either an amp and speakers, each in a separate box, or you want
an amp and speakers both in the same box.
Robert Montgomery
I set up a network that works � but only sometimes.
I bought an Airport Express and and powered speakers and installed it in
my dining room.
I got them to link wirelessly to my Imac, which is in my office.
But sometimes when I switch the speakers, on there's no sound of music,
or the music suddenly stops.
So then I go to the Imac, and click on the Itunes icon, and then click
in the lower, right corner of the Itunes screen, where it says,
"Multiple Speakers (2)".
Then a message pops up, saying, "Your computer's firewall settings
prevent you from using Itunes".
So I click in that window in the "Open Firewall Settings". But I don't
know what to alter there.
So I go back to Itunes, where I click in the lower, right corner of the
window on "Multiple Speakers (2)".
Then a popup window shows that "Computer" is unchecked and "Base Station
08c999" is checked, so I put a check mark beside "Computer" and then the
music emanates from both the computer and the speakers.
Robert
Sander Tekelenburg
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
[...]
> I bought an Airport Express and and powered speakers and installed it in
> my dining room.
Congrats :)
> I got them to link wirelessly to my Imac, which is in my office.
>
> But sometimes when I switch the speakers, on there's no sound of music,
> or the music suddenly stops.
>
> So then I go to the Imac, and click on the Itunes icon, and then click
> in the lower, right corner of the Itunes screen, where it says,
> "Multiple Speakers (2)".
>
> Then a message pops up, saying, "Your computer's firewall settings
> prevent you from using Itunes".
Some version of iTunes (or Mac OS X?) introduced that bug. AFAIK it has
been fixed. I certainly haven't seen it happen in ages (iTunes 8.2.1
under 10.5.8), but it is possible that I only achieved that by tinkering
with "something"...
Shouldn't be too hard to find discussion of that bug through a search
engine. And it shouldn't be too hard to ensure that your OS and iTunes
versions are up to date ;)
> So I click in that window in the "Open Firewall Settings". But I don't
> know what to alter there.
Nor does anyone else, if you don't say what your settings are :) Still,
my bet is on that bug, not your firewall settings (if the firewall would
be blocking AirTunes, it would be doing that all the time, not now and
then).
Robert Montgomery
Thanks, Sander.
I found this page:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1788066
with this hint:
"Aha. Just solved my own problem. Turned out the problem was my main
wireless router (Netgear), which creates the wireless network that the
Airport Express then joins. The netgear's firewall was blocking ports
5000 & 6000. I created a custom service (under Port Forwarding/Port
Triggering, then Add Custom Service) which I gave ports 5000-6000, UDP
mode, and pointed it at the Airport Express's IP address."
On my Imac I looked up "Port Forwarding" and "Port Forwarding" with the
computer's Help search engine but there's nothing.
So I don't know how to do this.
My Sharing control panel > Internet settings say "Share your connection
from > Built-in Ethernet" and "To computers using > Airport." Sharing >
Options is set to "Automatic".
Under Sharing > Firewall > Allow, "Itunes Music Sharing" is checked.
Under Sharing > Services, nothing has a checkmark beside it.
I updated Itunes yesterday to the latest version.
OS is 10.4.11.
Robert
Sander Tekelenburg
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> > In article <3vpym.46674$Db2.6940@edtnps83>,
> > Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> I bought an Airport Express and and powered speakers and installed it in
> >> my dining room.
> >> [... sometimes] a message pops up, saying, "Your computer's firewall settings
> >> prevent you from using Itunes".
[...]
> <http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1788066>
> [...] On my Imac I looked up "Port Forwarding" and "Port Forwarding" with the
> computer's Help search engine but there's nothing.
Forget that. I see no reason to expect your problem to have anything to
do with port forwarding at all.
You haven't told us how you have configured your Airport Express. Is it
only doing AirTunes? Or are you also letting it be a wireless access
point, router, dhcp server, or whatever?
> My Sharing control panel > Internet settings say "Share your connection
> from > Built-in Ethernet" and "To computers using > Airport." Sharing >
> Options is set to "Automatic".
Irrelevant.
> Under Sharing > Firewall > Allow, "Itunes Music Sharing" is checked.
Select that one, and hit the "Advanced..." button. IIRC, you need to
make sure that "Block UDP Traffic" and "Stealth mode" or not checked.
(Only relevant if your Firewall is on. But you shouldn't have it off
anyway, so...)
Robert Montgomery
> In article <dDVzm.47407$Db2.6789@edtnps83>,
> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>
>>> In article <3vpym.46674$Db2.6940@edtnps83>,
>>> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> I bought an Airport Express and and powered speakers and installed it in
>>>> my dining room.
>>>> [... sometimes] a message pops up, saying, "Your computer's firewall settings
>>>> prevent you from using Itunes".
>
> [...]
>
>> <http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1788066>
>> [...] On my Imac I looked up "Port Forwarding" and "Port Forwarding" with the
>> computer's Help search engine but there's nothing.
>
> Forget that. I see no reason to expect your problem to have anything to
> do with port forwarding at all.
>
> You haven't told us how you have configured your Airport Express.
Sorry, Sander. I thought I had written the relevant settings, below.
> Is it
> only doing AirTunes? Or are you also letting it be a wireless access
> point, router, dhcp server, or whatever?
I don't know. How can I determine that? Thanks.
Every day I have to fiddle around with the settings to get the music to
emanate again from the Express box and I have to keep walking between
the two rooms to hear if the music working on the Express box, and
usually it's not. Usually the music comes from the computer, but not the
Express.
>> My Sharing control panel > Internet settings say "Share your connection
>> from > Built-in Ethernet" and "To computers using > Airport." Sharing >
>> Options is set to "Automatic".
>
> Irrelevant.
>
>> Under Sharing > Firewall > Allow, "Itunes Music Sharing" is checked.
>
> Select that one, and hit the "Advanced..." button. IIRC, you need to
> make sure that "Block UDP Traffic" and "Stealth mode" or not checked.
>
> (Only relevant if your Firewall is on. But you shouldn't have it off
> anyway, so...)
Robert
Robert Montgomery
It's already set up like that.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
Now when I open Airport Utility, a message says, "Airport was unable to
find any Apple wireless devices. Make sure the wireless device you want
to use i8 plugged in and within range of your computer and click rescan
to try again."
I pressed "Rescan" multiple times, but the network isn't found. The
Manual Setup rectangle is gray. Everything under Base Station and
Settings pop-down menus is gray.
In the upper, right corner of my screen the airport logo is black and
and I can scroll down to my network name and the name is checked, but in
Itunes, in the lower, right pop-up window, where it says Multiple
Speakers, the popup says Computer with a check mark beside it, but
there's no more Base Station 08c999 listed.
The yellow light is still flashing on the Airport Express, as it did
before sometimes, whether or not it was working at a given time. I
unplugged it for a couple of minutes and plugged it in again. I also
restarted the computer.
I also downloaded the latest Airport Utility from the Apple site (v.
5.4.2) and used it, as well as Airport Disk Utility and Internet Connect.
I also called my ISP and got the tech to help me to change the name of
my network and restart the router to reset the name of the network and
disable WEP encryption, but still I can't get music to play on the
Airport Express now.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
I wonder if my Network control panel is at fault. It shows two
Locations: Automatic and Location 31/05/07 2:16 PM. It's set to the
latter – not to Automatic.
Robert
Sander Tekelenburg
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
[...]
> The yellow light is still flashing on the Airport Express, as it did
> before sometimes, whether or not it was working at a given time. I
> unplugged it for a couple of minutes and plugged it in again. I also
> restarted the computer.
A blinking yellow light means that the Airport Express can't figure out
what to do[*]. A steady green light is what you need. Only if things
still don't work *then* does it make sense to see if there is a problem
with your Mac or iTunes.
Do this:
- reset the Airport Express (stick an folded-out paperclip in its reset
button for some 30 seconds or so, until it beepds or flashes or
something like that -- see the manual)
- let it start up
- if you get a steady green light, you're done
If not, come back here again ;)
[*] It might be waiting to receive an IP adress from a DHCP server. Do
you have a DHCP server handing out IP addresses? (Modems, routers,
wirelsss acces points all tend to contain a DHCP server.)
Robert Montgomery
> In article <dtxEm.49157$Db2.16146@edtnps83>,
> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> The yellow light is still flashing on the Airport Express, as it did
>> before sometimes, whether or not it was working at a given time. I
>> unplugged it for a couple of minutes and plugged it in again. I also
>> restarted the computer.
>
> A blinking yellow light means that the Airport Express can't figure out
> what to do[*]. A steady green light is what you need. Only if things
> still don't work *then* does it make sense to see if there is a problem
> with your Mac or iTunes.
>
> Do this:
> - reset the Airport Express (stick an folded-out paperclip in its reset
> button for some 30 seconds or so, until it beepds or flashes or
> something like that -- see the manual)
> - let it start up
> - if you get a steady green light, you're done
>
> If not, come back here again ;)
Thanks much Sander!
I forgot to mention that I tried that unfolded paper clip trick last
evening, after I searched with a search engine for the error message
that Itunes kept giving me. But the paper clip procedure didn't work.
I even unplugged the Express sticking in the paper clip. After I plugged
it in again, it flashed green rapidly for a few seconds. It doesn't
normally do that, so I assume that the settings were reset to the
defaults. Then the light went back to steady amber for a few minutes,
and then went back to slowly flashing yellow.
>
>
> [*] It might be waiting to receive an IP adress from a DHCP server. Do
> you have a DHCP server handing out IP addresses? (Modems, routers,
> wirelsss acces points all tend to contain a DHCP server.)
I don't know. How can I find out? I have a D-Link 604+ router that the
Imac uses to connect to the Net.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
> In article <dtxEm.49157$Db2.16146@edtnps83>,
> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> The yellow light is still flashing on the Airport Express, as it did
>> before sometimes, whether or not it was working at a given time. I
>> unplugged it for a couple of minutes and plugged it in again. I also
>> restarted the computer.
>
> A blinking yellow light means that the Airport Express can't figure out
> what to do[*]. A steady green light is what you need. Only if things
> still don't work *then* does it make sense to see if there is a problem
> with your Mac or iTunes.
>
> Do this:
> - reset the Airport Express (stick an folded-out paperclip in its reset
> button for some 30 seconds or so, until it beepds or flashes or
> something like that -- see the manual)
> - let it start up
> - if you get a steady green light, you're done
>
> If not, come back here again ;)
>
>
> [*] It might be waiting to receive an IP adress from a DHCP server. Do
> you have a DHCP server handing out IP addresses? (Modems, routers,
> wirelsss acces points all tend to contain a DHCP server.)
Could the problem be that Appletalk for Airport is deactivated?
I just noticed in System Preferences > Network > Show: Network Status >
Airport, that "Make Appletalk Active" is unchecked.
Or could it be the VPN is interfering? Last evening when troubleshooting
I accidentally pressed a button that configured VPN (L2TP). The Network
control panel now says VPN (L2TP) is configured but inactive.
I also wonder if I've got the order wrong in Network control panel >
Network Port configuration. All five things are checked there, in this
order:
Bluetooth
Built-in Ethernet
Built-in Firewire
Airport
VPN ((L2TP)
Robert
Robert Montgomery
> Sander Tekelenburg wrote:
>> In article <dtxEm.49157$Db2.16146@edtnps83>,
>> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> The yellow light is still flashing on the Airport Express, as it did
>>> before sometimes, whether or not it was working at a given time. I
>>> unplugged it for a couple of minutes and plugged it in again. I also
>>> restarted the computer.
>>
>> A blinking yellow light means that the Airport Express can't figure
>> out what to do[*]. A steady green light is what you need. Only if
>> things still don't work *then* does it make sense to see if there is a
>> problem with your Mac or iTunes.
>>
>> Do this:
>> - reset the Airport Express (stick an folded-out paperclip in its
>> reset button for some 30 seconds or so, until it beepds or flashes or
>> something like that -- see the manual)
>> - let it start up
>> - if you get a steady green light, you're done
>>
>> If not, come back here again ;)
>>
To my tremendous relief, after about eight to ten hours of
troubleshooting since last eveniing, I got it working again. (Everything
wireless is extremely complex and a pain in the ass, I've found!) I'm
not sure which of the many and repeated steps I took worked, but I wrote
many notes to help me in case these problems happen again.
Now, for the first time, the Express's light is flashing alernately
green and orange. What does this signify?
Robert
Richard Maine
> Now, for the first time, the Express's light is flashing alernately
> green and orange. What does this signify?
Not recalling off-hand, I used my "computer expertise"
(<http://xkcd.com/627/> ) to google "airport express lights". See the
top hit, which is
<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2610>
--
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Robert Montgomery
> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>
>> Now, for the first time, the Express's light is flashing alernately
>> green and orange. What does this signify?
>
> Not recalling off-hand, I used my "computer expertise"
> (<http://xkcd.com/627/> ) to google "airport express lights". See the
> top hit, which is
>
> <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2610>
That wasn't helpful. The page you referred to says, "Alternating
amber/green When multiple AirPort Express base stations are available
during setup, you can trigger this behavior by using the Identify
feature." I don't understand that, because it's so poorly written, so
even if I had found that page myself, it wouldn't have helped to solve
the problem. There's plenty of information on the Net, but much of it is
so poorly written that it's useless.
I just checked Airport Utility > Help > Identify. It says to give your
Airport Express a unique name so it can be easily identified. I've done
that since I bought the device over a month ago, yet I'm still having
the same problem of music stopping every day on the Express and not
knowing how to fix it.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
> In article <Q2FEm.49186$Db2.41904@edtnps83>,
The Imac is connected to the router.
In the next room, the Express is connected to the powered speakers, and
the Express and the speakers are plugged into outlets.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
Again the music isn't coming from the speakers.
In Itunes, when I click on the Multiple Speakers popup menu the bottom,
right corner, I scroll to my airport connection name.
A window appears with the names "Computer" and the name of my airport
connection. When I put a check mark beside the airport connection name,
another window appears that says, "Your computer's firewall settings
prevent you from using Airtunes. To use Airtunes, change your computer's
firewall settings."
Robert
Robert Montgomery
Although I had run Airport Utility several times, I got a message this
evening for the first time, advising that the firmware needed to be
updated form 7.4.1 to 4.4.2. I followed the instructions to update the
firmware, and now, for the first time since I bought the Airport Express
over a month ago, I'm getting a solid green light on the machine.
Yet I'm still getting the error message (above) and a window appears
saying "Connecting to Airtunes" but the connection isn't happening and
the horizontal barbershop poll keeps on moving.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
I found this page about a firmware update for Airport Express to version
6.3 on the Apple site (
http://support.apple.com/downloads/AirPort_Express_Firmware_Update_6_3_for_Mac_OS_X).
On that page, the first issue listed as being resolved by the update is
"Resolves issue with Audio dropout when playing to AirPort Express with
AirTunes".
So I downloaded the firmware update,and opened it, but it can't find any
Airport Express to update.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
And when I search my computer for Airport Express, all that shows up
under Application is the firmware updater.
The updater has an "Other" box, and when I click on there, it asks for
an IP address and password of the device to be updated, and I don't know
what the IP address and password are.
Robert
M-M
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> > Is the Airport connected to the router?
>
> The Imac is connected to the router.
You have to connect the router to the Airport first.
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Jolly Roger
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> the firmware needed to be updated form 7.4.1 to 4.4.2
Vice versa, I imagine.
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Jolly Roger
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
Do you get the message if you turn off the firewall on this computer?
Robert Montgomery
> In article <jollyroger-A5AF6...@news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>> the firmware needed to be updated form 7.4.1 to 4.4.2
>> Vice versa, I imagine.
>
I'm sorry; I meant 7.4.1 to 7.4.2.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
> In article <yhQEm.50133$PH1.20209@edtnps82>,
> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>
>>> Is the Airport connected to the router?
>> The Imac is connected to the router.
>
>
> You have to connect the router to the Airport first.
If I did that, I'd be bypassing the main function of the device.
Airport Utility > Help says:
"AirPort lets you bring the online world to every room in your house —
without the unsightly cable clutter associated with computers connected
to the Internet.
You can set up an AirPort wireless network in minutes, without special
tools."
The router is connected with a cable to the Imac, and the Imac is
connected to the Internet. The Express – which is in the next room – is
not meant to be connected with a cable to the router.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
When I turn off the firewall, and then click in Itunes on "Robert's
Airport Express" in the popup window in Itunes's lower, right corner, I
then no longer get the ""Your computer's firewall settings
>>> prevent you from using Airtunes" message, but I still get the
Airtunes' "Connecting to Robert's Airport Express" window with the
horizontal barbershop pole that keeps moving for a few minutes before it
goes away, and there's still no check mark beside "Robert's Airport
Express" in Itunes, so I turned the firewall back on.
I also tried Network > Show: Airport > TCP/IP > Configure IPV6 > and
switched from Configure IPV6 Automatically to Off, and saved the network
settings, but after that I still got the "Connecting to Robert's Airport
Express" window with the horizontal barbershop pole that keeps moving,
so I turned IPV6 back to "Automatic" and saved the Network settings again.
I found some relevant information about Airtunes malfunctioning at
http://forums.macosxhints.com/archive/index.php/t-75970.html, but
ultimately it hasn't helped.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
Apparently, I've already got firmware version 6.3, because when I
search on my computer for "Airport Express", a folder is listed at
Robert > library > Application Support > Apple > Airport > Firmware >
Airport Express.
When I use Get Info on that last file, called Airport Express, it says
"6.3 basebinary", so the reason Airtunes isn't working apparently is not
because of this firmware being out-of-date.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
> In article <dtxEm.49157$Db2.16146@edtnps83>,
> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> The yellow light is still flashing on the Airport Express, as it did
>> before sometimes, whether or not it was working at a given time. I
>> unplugged it for a couple of minutes and plugged it in again. I also
>> restarted the computer.
>
> A blinking yellow light means that the Airport Express can't figure out
> what to do[*]. A steady green light is what you need. Only if things
> still don't work *then* does it make sense to see if there is a problem
> with your Mac or iTunes.
>
> Do this:
> - reset the Airport Express (stick an folded-out paperclip in its reset
> button for some 30 seconds or so, until it beepds or flashes or
> something like that -- see the manual)
> - let it start up
> - if you get a steady green light, you're done
>
> If not, come back here again ;)
>
>
> [*] It might be waiting to receive an IP adress from a DHCP server. Do
> you have a DHCP server handing out IP addresses? (Modems, routers,
> wirelsss acces points all tend to contain a DHCP server.)
Thanks, Sander.
How can I tell if I have a DHCP server handing out IP addresses?
I don't have a modem, but I have a router.
I have access to the router's specs in my browser, which I was informed
of by my ISP. (I don't know what you call those specs exactly.)
I'm looking at the DHCP page there in my browser.
It lists various stuff, like "DHCP Server Enabled" and the button for
that is on.
There's a range of starting and ending IP addresses.
And there are two Host names: one is "robert-airport-express" and the
other is "unknown", which is followed by a bunch of letters and numbers
with hyphens.
Something else that just occurred to me: Does it matter what channel I'm
on? It says I'm on channel 11.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
In Airport Utility > Summary > Status says "Normal", and there's a green
circle next to the word "Normal".
And I'm able to access my wireless name in the Airport pop down menu at
the top of my screen.
And the light is steady green on the Airport Express in the next room.
Is it possible that despite this, there's a problem with the settings I
have in Airport Utlility, which would explain why I'm not getting music
anymore from the Express?
Robert
Robert Montgomery
> In article <dtxEm.49157$Db2.16146@edtnps83>,
> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> The yellow light is still flashing on the Airport Express, as it did
>> before sometimes, whether or not it was working at a given time. I
>> unplugged it for a couple of minutes and plugged it in again. I also
>> restarted the computer.
>
> A blinking yellow light means that the Airport Express can't figure out
> what to do[*]. A steady green light is what you need. Only if things
> still don't work *then* does it make sense to see if there is a problem
> with your Mac or iTunes.
>
> Do this:
> - reset the Airport Express (stick an folded-out paperclip in its reset
> button for some 30 seconds or so, until it beepds or flashes or
> something like that -- see the manual)
> - let it start up
> - if you get a steady green light, you're done
>
> If not, come back here again ;)
The music isn't playing on the Express now, and in Itunes, I keep
getting this message: Airtunes > Connecting to Robert Airport Express,
but the barbershop pole pattern keeps on moving.
On my router's configuration page, I switched from channel 11 to 6,
saved the change and restarted my router. It didn't work.
So I switched from channel 6 to 1, saved the change and restarted my
router. That also didn't work.
I confirmed in Istumbler that the channel changes had gone through.
Robert
M-M
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> > You have to connect the router to the Airport first.
>
> If I did that, I'd be bypassing the main function of the device.
>
> Airport Utility > Help says:
>
> "AirPort lets you bring the online world to every room in your house —
> without the unsightly cable clutter associated with computers connected
> to the Internet.
>
> You can set up an AirPort wireless network in minutes, without special
> tools."
>
> The router is connected with a cable to the Imac,
Right. It says right there that you *don't* connect your computer to the
internet with a cable, and that is what you did anyhow.
You need to bring your cable into the room with the speakers.
--
m-m
http://www.mhmyers.com
Robert Montgomery
I'm confused by your statement.
I've had Internet connectivity for about 15 years, and all that time the
computers were hooked up to the Internet with a cable, so I haven't
changed that aspect of my connectivity in all those years.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
> In article <yhQEm.50133$PH1.20209@edtnps82>,
> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>
>>> Is the Airport connected to the router?
>> The Imac is connected to the router.
>
>
Okay, this is so frustrating and time-consuming that I'm willing to
compromise by wiring the setup instead of having it wireless.
So I took the advice I read on the Internet, by trying to string an
Ethernet cable from the Express to the Imac, but I can't because there's
only one slot available on the Imac, and that's used for the cable that
runs between the Imac and the router.
So I hooked up the cable from the Express to the router instead, so that
I'd then have an Express to router to Imac connection.
Then Itunes recognized the Express again, but I lost Internet connectivity.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
> In article
> M-M <nospa...@ny.more> wrote:
>
>>> You can set up an AirPort wireless network in minutes, without special
>>> tools."
>>>
>>> The router is connected with a cable to the Imac,
>> Right. It says right there that you *don't* connect your computer to the
>> internet with a cable, and that is what you did anyhow.
>>
>> You need to bring your cable into the room with the speakers.
>
> WiFi with the wireless router.
>
> I think that the problem may be that AirTunes requires an Airport Extreme,
> Time Capsule, or another Airport Express as the router, and will not work
> with any third-party wireless router.
On the Apple Web site at
http://www.apple.com/findouthow/mac/#wirelessmusic > Wireless >
Streaming music wirelessly, there's a video that shows how to set up
wireless music playing.
It's true that it doesn't show a router, but I've been reading
extensively about this topic and nowhere have I read that having a
router attached to the Mac would interfere with Airtunes.
Routers or modems are standard with desktop computers; you need one to
connect a desktop computer to the Internet, so I'm sure there would be
lots of documentation about this if routers caused interference.
Robert
David Empson
> In article <ww7Fm.50276$PH1.766@edtnps82>,
> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>
> > It's true that it doesn't show a router, but I've been reading
> > extensively about this topic and nowhere have I read that having a
> > router attached to the Mac would interfere with Airtunes.
> >
> > Routers or modems are standard with desktop computers; you need one to
> > connect a desktop computer to the Internet, so I'm sure there would be
> > lots of documentation about this if routers caused interference.
>
> It is not a matter of interference; a wireless router is necessary, but I
> believe that it has to be an Apple branded wireless router.
It doesn't. I know several people who use an Airport Express in
combination with a non-Apple primary router.
The problem in this case MIGHT be that Robert is trying to use the
Airport Express to create an independent wireless network, and connect
the iMac to that network at the same time as connecting the iMac via
Ethernet to the D-Link DSL-604+ router.
This is implied by the earlier mention of a wireless network called
"Base Station 08Cc999", which is the default name for a wireless network
created by an Apple Airport base station.
This configuration could confuse things, as the iMac might lose track of
which network is being used to access the Airport Express, especially if
the two networks have been set up to use the same range of IP addresses.
As the D-Link is a wireless router, the best configuration would be to
set up the D-Link to create a wireless network, the Airport Express to
"Join" that wireless network, and turn off Airport on the iMac (also
turn off Internet Sharing - it is only confusing the situation and won't
help).
This will result in the iMac having a single active network connection
(Ethernet to the D-Link), and it will access the Airport Express via
that network. The D-Link will forward (bridge) all traffic between
Ethernet and WiFi as required for the Airport Express and iMac to talk
to each other.
--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz
Robert Montgomery
Thanks, David.
How could I set up the D-Link 604+ router to create a wireless network?
Robert
nospam
<info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> How could I set up the D-Link 604+ router to create a wireless network?
google says that's an old router which only supports 802.11b and wep.
you would be *far* better off hardwiring the airport express to your
existing network and using the airport for a wifi network, particularly
if you have the latest 802.11n version of the express. even if you have
the older 802.11g version, you are *still* ahead.
be sure to disable wifi on the d-link, but leave dhcp on so the airport
can get an ip address. use the airport config wizard to set up a new
wifi network (it's really bridge mode but i forget what apple calls
it). pick wpa for security, along with a long passphrase.
Robert Montgomery
Thanks, nospam.
How can I disable wifi on the d-link? I looked at the d-link's
configuration page, but I don't see wifi there.
I hard-wired the setup by connecting an Ethernet cable between the
Express and the D-Link, but that caused the Internet connection to be cut.
Robert
nospam
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > How could I set up the D-Link 604+ router to create a wireless
> > > network?
> >
> > google says that's an old router which only supports 802.11b and wep.
> >
> > you would be *far* better off hardwiring the airport express to your
> > existing network and using the airport for a wifi network, particularly
> > if you have the latest 802.11n version of the express. even if you have
> > the older 802.11g version, you are *still* ahead.
>
> The problem with that is that he AE needs to be in the other room to
> connect to the speakers.
that would be a problem. personally, i'd get an 802.11g router to
replace the aging dlink, even if if 802.11b has sufficient bandwidth
for an audio stream (i'm not sure it actually does).
nospam
<info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> How can I disable wifi on the d-link? I looked at the d-link's
> configuration page, but I don't see wifi there.
i don't have one, but based on this link, you go to the wireless tab to
configure it. however, i don't see an on/off button in the screen shot,
and it might be possible that you can't turn it off, unless the button
off screen somewhere or on a different page.
in the event that you do leave it on (since the airport apparently
needs to be in the next room), turn off turbo and pick a 13 character
wep pass phrase and put it in the first box only. that maps to a 128
bit key and is a lot easier than entering in hex.
<http://www.thinkbroadband.com/hardware/reviews/58-dlink-dsl604.html>
> I hard-wired the setup by connecting an Ethernet cable between the
> Express and the D-Link, but that caused the Internet connection to be cut.
how did you configure the airport?
M-M
nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> you would be *far* better off hardwiring the airport express to your
> existing network and using the airport for a wifi network
Right. I cannot understand why he needs to use 2 routers.
--
m-m
http://www.mhmyers.com
M-M
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> The problem with that is that he AE needs to be in the other room to
> connect to the speakers.
so bring the cable into the speaker room. Or buy another AE.
--
m-m
http://www.mhmyers.com
Jolly Roger
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
> > Do you get the message if you turn off the firewall on this computer?
>
> When I turn off the firewall, and then click in Itunes on "Robert's
> Airport Express" in the popup window in Itunes's lower, right corner, I
> then no longer get the ""Your computer's firewall settings
> >>> prevent you from using Airtunes" message, but I still get the
> Airtunes' "Connecting to Robert's Airport Express" window with the
> horizontal barbershop pole that keeps moving for a few minutes before it
> goes away, and there's still no check mark beside "Robert's Airport
> Express" in Itunes, so I turned the firewall back on.
Why?
You're only adding problem on top of problem by turning it back on. If
you would leave it off for now, you've eliminated one aspect of why you
are having trouble communicating with the damned thing!
> I also tried Network > Show: Airport > TCP/IP > Configure IPV6 > and
> switched from Configure IPV6 Automatically to Off, and saved the network
> settings, but after that I still got the "Connecting to Robert's Airport
> Express" window with the horizontal barbershop pole that keeps moving,
> so I turned IPV6 back to "Automatic" and saved the Network settings again.
>
> I found some relevant information about Airtunes malfunctioning at
> http://forums.macosxhints.com/archive/index.php/t-75970.html, but
> ultimately it hasn't helped.
I think it's likely your D-Link 604+ router is the source of the
problem. Your firewall settings are another separate problem that
coincidentally is happening at the same time, complicating the
situation. Do yourself a favor and turn the firewall off until you solve
the actual problem.
David Empson
> In article <251020092008084122%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > How could I set up the D-Link 604+ router to create a wireless
> > > network?
> >
> > google says that's an old router which only supports 802.11b and wep.
> >
> > you would be *far* better off hardwiring the airport express to your
> > existing network and using the airport for a wifi network, particularly
> > if you have the latest 802.11n version of the express. even if you have
> > the older 802.11g version, you are *still* ahead.
>
> The problem with that is that he AE needs to be in the other room to
> connect to the speakers.
Upgrading to a more modern wireless router and getting the Airport
Express to join its network (as I described earlier) would be the best
solution.
If the Airport Express creates a wireless network and the iMac is
connected to both that network and the D-Link, you may be able to get it
working reliably, but everything has to be configured carefully.
You will effectively be setting up two separate IP networks. The D-Link
and Mac form one network, and the Airport Express and Mac form a
separate network. The two networks must use different ranges of IP
addresses so the Mac knows which interface to use.
(I'd expect the LED on the Airport Express to be blinking orange in this
configuration, because it will be complaining about not having anything
plugged into its Ethernet port.)
The key question: what IP address range is the D-Link supplying via its
DHCP server?
This can be identified on the iMac by looking at System Preferences >
Network > Built-in Ethernet > TCP/IP. The fields of interest are the IP
address assigned to the Mac, and the subnet mask.
Most routers assign addresses that start with 192.168.0 or 192.168.1,
and a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0. Some assign addresses that start
with 10, and a subnet mask of either 255.255.255.0 or 255.0.0.0.
The subnet mask identifies how to interpret the IP addresses. The first
few dot-separated numbers in the IP address (corresponding to '255's in
the subnet mask) identify the network, while the last few numbers in the
IP address (correpsonding to '0's in the subnet mask) identify
individual computers on the network.
The D-Link and iMac Ethernet must have the same "network" part of their
IP addresses (which they will have if the D-Link is acting as a DHCP
server).
The Airport Express and iMac Airport must have the same "network" part
of their addresses, but it must not be the same as the one used by the
D-Link and iMac Ethernet.
The Airport Express will typically be acting as a DHCP server for its
network, so the main point is to configure its DHCP server to use
different settings from the D-Link's DHCP server.
For example, if the D-Link is using IP addresses starting with 192.168.1
and a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0, the Airport Express cannot use
addresses which match that pattern, but could use 192.168.0, 192.168.2
(or higher), or 10.x.x.x.
The iMac must have its network interfaces in the right order. You want
Built-in Ethernet higher up the list than Airport, so that Internet
traffic will go through the D-Link.
You should also turn off Internet Sharing on the iMac. It will only be
confusing matters.
You might run into a problem where the iMac doesn't bother to acquire an
IP address on its Airport network. That can be avoided by using a static
IP address, but I'd rather wait to hear more details about the IP
addresses you are currently using before going into further detail.
--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz
Robert Montgomery
> In article <TS8Fm.50281$PH1.18185@edtnps82>, Robert Montgomery
> <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>
>> How can I disable wifi on the d-link? I looked at the d-link's
>> configuration page, but I don't see wifi there.
>
> i don't have one, but based on this link, you go to the wireless tab to
> configure it. however, i don't see an on/off button in the screen shot,
> and it might be possible that you can't turn it off, unless the button
> off screen somewhere or on a different page.
>
> in the event that you do leave it on (since the airport apparently
> needs to be in the next room), turn off turbo and pick a 13 character
> wep pass phrase and put it in the first box only. that maps to a 128
> bit key and is a lot easier than entering in hex.
I have no idea what that means. It's way over my head.
>
> <http://www.thinkbroadband.com/hardware/reviews/58-dlink-dsl604.html>
>
>> I hard-wired the setup by connecting an Ethernet cable between the
>> Express and the D-Link, but that caused the Internet connection to be cut.
>
> how did you configure the airport?
It's now not configured, because all the settings have been lost �
again. Every time I rescan now in Airport Utility, the device fails to
find the wireless Internet connection.
I just tried ethernet-cabling the Express to the router, but that cuased
my Internet connection to drop.
I'm tempted to give up my dream of getting music to play in the
adjoining room. I just spent the last two days on this problem. Now I'm
being told I have to embark on an entirely new tack � one which, I'm
sure � will be fraught with lots more difficulties, especially because
what you're proposing sounds like jerry-rigging, so there's probably not
much documentation available.
If I have to buy a new router, I have to deal with all the headaches
that will surely ensue. The more I try to solve this problem, the more
problematic it becomes.
It's too bad that I can't return the Express to the store; I've had it
for more than 30 days.
If I were to buy a new router, would this one be good? It's price is
low: http://www.dlink.ca/products/?pid=478
Once again, a claim that I can "set up [wirelessly] in minutes"
(according to Apple Web site, and the Express brochure and the Apple
store clerk and folks in the newsgroup) is a complete fantasy and crock
of crap.
Robert
David Empson
It does. AirTunes uses Apple Lossless encoding, which works out to
roughly 44 kHz x 2 channels x 16 bits x 0.5 average compression = 704
kbps.
802.11b can cope with that even in poor conditions, as long as the
network isn't busy with other activity.
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David Empson
The Airport Express is needed solely for its audio output capability
(AirTunes).
The D-Link router is the primary router for the broadband connection
(using a built-in modem, I expect).
The two of them need to be in different rooms, unless cables (either
Ethernet or audio) are run through the wall, or something like that.
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nospam
<info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> > in the event that you do leave it on (since the airport apparently
> > needs to be in the next room), turn off turbo and pick a 13 character
> > wep pass phrase and put it in the first box only. that maps to a 128
> > bit key and is a lot easier than entering in hex.
>
> I have no idea what that means. It's way over my head.
it's easier than it sounds but you can just leave wep off and not use a
password at all. wep is so easy to crack, it doesn't really matter.
the part about turbo is a non-standard extra that d-link added and will
not work with an airport or any other wifi device (except if it uses
the exact same chipset as the d-link, there's a possibility).
> It's now not configured, because all the settings have been lost �
> again. Every time I rescan now in Airport Utility, the device fails to
> find the wireless Internet connection.
can anything else see the wifi connection? if not, you need to fix that
first.
> I just tried ethernet-cabling the Express to the router, but that cuased
> my Internet connection to drop.
that shouldn't happen, and it's hard to determine why via usenet. my
first guess is both have dhcp enabled.
> It's too bad that I can't return the Express to the store; I've had it
> for more than 30 days.
you could put it on ebay, they go for close to what they sell for new.
> If I were to buy a new router, would this one be good? It's price is
> low: http://www.dlink.ca/products/?pid=478
that doesn't appear to have wifi, so you'd need to run a cable to the
airport.
i would strongly suggest getting an another airport express or an
airport extreme, or even a time capsule if you want time machine
backups. they're a lot easier to set up, and apple should be able to
help you get airtunes to work since it's all apple products.
if you get a d-link or anything else, apple will say 'we don't support
it' and you're basically on your own. that alone might be worth paying
a little extra for an airport.
if you do get something else, literally anything will suffice. 802.11g
routers are dirt cheap now. there's probably something on sale this
week, or will be next week, for well under $50, maybe even half that.
> Once again, a claim that I can "set up [wirelessly] in minutes"
> (according to Apple Web site, and the Express brochure and the Apple
> store clerk and folks in the newsgroup) is a complete fantasy and crock
> of crap.
actually it isn't that difficult, and there is always the possibility
you have a hardware issue, especially since it can't see the wifi
connection.
David Empson
> nospam wrote:
> > In article <TS8Fm.50281$PH1.18185@edtnps82>, Robert Montgomery
> > <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I hard-wired the setup by connecting an Ethernet cable between the
> >> Express and the D-Link, but that caused the Internet connection to be cut.
> >
> > how did you configure the airport?
>
> It's now not configured, because all the settings have been lost –
> again. Every time I rescan now in Airport Utility, the device fails to
> find the wireless Internet connection.
>
> I just tried ethernet-cabling the Express to the router, but that cuased
> my Internet connection to drop.
That's because the Airport Express default configuration is to act as a
DHCP server via Ethernet (and WiFi), and it will be conflicting with the
DHCP server in the D-Link. They might also be trying to use the same IP
addresses, which is a no-no.
[snip]
> Once again, a claim that I can "set up [wirelessly] in minutes"
> (according to Apple Web site, and the Express brochure and the Apple
> store clerk and folks in the newsgroup) is a complete fantasy and crock
> of crap.
It is relatively easy, as long as you can connect the Airport Express to
your existing network via Ethernet, or you have a wireless base station
already operating and want the Airport Express to join that network.
It gets more complicated if you want to set up an Airport Express
independently from your existing wired/wireless network, as you then
have to make sure the two networks don't fight with each other (see my
more detailed earlier post).
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Mike Rosenberg
> I think that the problem may be that AirTunes requires an Airport Extreme,
> Time Capsule, or another Airport Express as the router, and will not work
> with any third-party wireless router.
No, that's not the problem. The Express _does_ work for AirTunes
streaming with non-Apple routers.
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Robert Montgomery
But I was told originally all I needed was powered speakers and an
Airport Express.
No one told me my router would interfere, or asked what kind of a router
I have. And I didn't read anywhere in the caveats on the Apple site or
anywhere else that if I use a router – or the wrong kind of router – I
won't be able to play music wirelessly unless it's the latest.
And I wonder why the cartoon video on the Apple site
(http://www.apple.com/findouthow/mac/#wirelessmusic ) shows a music
setup without a router or modem. That's not a standard computer
configuration. Every normal desktop configuration has at least one modem
or router to connect to the Net.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>> In article <251020092008084122%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
>> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> How could I set up the D-Link 604+ router to create a wireless
>>>> network?
>>> google says that's an old router which only supports 802.11b and wep.
>>>
>>> you would be *far* better off hardwiring the airport express to your
>>> existing network and using the airport for a wifi network, particularly
>>> if you have the latest 802.11n version of the express. even if you have
>>> the older 802.11g version, you are *still* ahead.
>> The problem with that is that he AE needs to be in the other room to
>> connect to the speakers.
>
> Upgrading to a more modern wireless router and getting the Airport
> Express to join its network (as I described earlier) would be the best
> solution.
>
> If the Airport Express creates a wireless network and the iMac is
> connected to both that network and the D-Link, you may be able to get it
> working reliably, but everything has to be configured carefully.
>
> You will effectively be setting up two separate IP networks. The D-Link
> and Mac form one network, and the Airport Express and Mac form a
> separate network. The two networks must use different ranges of IP
> addresses so the Mac knows which interface to use.
I think I'd rather buy a new router.
>
> (I'd expect the LED on the Airport Express to be blinking orange in this
> configuration, because it will be complaining about not having anything
> plugged into its Ethernet port.)
>
> The key question: what IP address range is the D-Link supplying via its
> DHCP server?
The D-Link 604+ configuration > Advanced page for DHCP says:
Starting IP address: 192.168.0.2
Ending IP address: 192.168.0.33
> This can be identified on the iMac by looking at System Preferences >
> Network > Built-in Ethernet > TCP/IP. The fields of interest are the IP
> address assigned to the Mac, and the subnet mask.
>
> Most routers assign addresses that start with 192.168.0 or 192.168.1,
> and a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0. Some assign addresses that start
> with 10, and a subnet mask of either 255.255.255.0 or 255.0.0.0.
IP address: 192.168.0.2
Subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
Router: 192.168.0.1
Robert Montgomery
> In article <201Fm.49304$Db2.15349@edtnps83>,
> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>> Do you get the message if you turn off the firewall on this computer?
>> When I turn off the firewall, and then click in Itunes on "Robert's
>> Airport Express" in the popup window in Itunes's lower, right corner, I
>> then no longer get the ""Your computer's firewall settings
>> >>> prevent you from using Airtunes" message, but I still get the
>> Airtunes' "Connecting to Robert's Airport Express" window with the
>> horizontal barbershop pole that keeps moving for a few minutes before it
>> goes away, and there's still no check mark beside "Robert's Airport
>> Express" in Itunes, so I turned the firewall back on.
>
> Why?
The same reason as everyone else who uses a firewall, obviously: to
protect against enemy fire.
All of the information I've read says to keep the shields up at all times.
> You're only adding problem on top of problem by turning it back on. If
> you would leave it off for now, you've eliminated one aspect of why you
> are having trouble communicating with the damned thing!
>
>> I also tried Network > Show: Airport > TCP/IP > Configure IPV6 > and
>> switched from Configure IPV6 Automatically to Off, and saved the network
>> settings, but after that I still got the "Connecting to Robert's Airport
>> Express" window with the horizontal barbershop pole that keeps moving,
>> so I turned IPV6 back to "Automatic" and saved the Network settings again.
>>
>> I found some relevant information about Airtunes malfunctioning at
>> http://forums.macosxhints.com/archive/index.php/t-75970.html, but
>> ultimately it hasn't helped.
>
> I think it's likely your D-Link 604+ router is the source of the
> problem. Your firewall settings are another separate problem that
> coincidentally is happening at the same time, complicating the
> situation. Do yourself a favor and turn the firewall off until you solve
> the actual problem.
Robert
David Empson
You will just need to make one setting change on the Airport Express,
and possibly one on the iMac.
> > (I'd expect the LED on the Airport Express to be blinking orange in this
> > configuration, because it will be complaining about not having anything
> > plugged into its Ethernet port.)
> >
> > The key question: what IP address range is the D-Link supplying via its
> > DHCP server?
>
> The D-Link 604+ configuration > Advanced page for DHCP says:
>
> Starting IP address: 192.168.0.2
> Ending IP address: 192.168.0.33
Given that, you need to configure the Airport Express to NOT use
addresses starting with 192.168.0. Pick any other option, such as
192.168.2 (just to avoid any possible conflict with a future router you
get which might use 192.168.1). You could also use any address range
starting with 10.
I suggest configuring the Aiport Express DHCP server to alocate
addresses in the range 192.168.2.2 through 192.168.2.99 (for example).
The Airport Express will be 192.168.2.1.
That gives you the option of being able to configure the iMac's Airport
interface to use a static address of 192.168.2.100 (up to
192.168.2.254), if it turns out this is necessary for reliable
operation.
--
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dem...@actrix.gen.nz
Jolly Roger
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
> > In article <201Fm.49304$Db2.15349@edtnps83>,
> > Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Jolly Roger wrote:
> >>
> >>> Do you get the message if you turn off the firewall on this computer?
> >> When I turn off the firewall, and then click in Itunes on "Robert's
> >> Airport Express" in the popup window in Itunes's lower, right corner, I
> >> then no longer get the ""Your computer's firewall settings
> >> >>> prevent you from using Airtunes" message, but I still get the
> >> Airtunes' "Connecting to Robert's Airport Express" window with the
> >> horizontal barbershop pole that keeps moving for a few minutes before it
> >> goes away, and there's still no check mark beside "Robert's Airport
> >> Express" in Itunes, so I turned the firewall back on.
> >
> > Why?
>
> The same reason as everyone else who uses a firewall, obviously: to
> protect against enemy fire.
>
> All of the information I've read says to keep the shields up at all times.
That's silly. Your D-Link router has a firewall. There's no need to run
two firewalls back to back like that.
Jolly Roger
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> I'm tempted to give up my dream of getting music to play in the
> adjoining room. I just spent the last two days on this problem. Now I'm
> being told I have to embark on an entirely new tack � one which, I'm
> sure � will be fraught with lots more difficulties, especially because
> what you're proposing sounds like jerry-rigging, so there's probably not
> much documentation available.
>
> If I have to buy a new router, I have to deal with all the headaches
> that will surely ensue. The more I try to solve this problem, the more
> problematic it becomes.
It's not nearly as complicated as you make it out to be. No offense
intended, but you're having this much trouble because you're making
decisions out of ignorance.
> If I were to buy a new router, would this one be good? It's price is
> low: http://www.dlink.ca/products/?pid=478
Have you considered the "lowest price" may not be exactly conducive to
"just works"?
I would think the plug-and-play nature of Apple's Airport Extreme router
would be quite attractive to someone who obviously doesn't know much
about networking!
Jolly Roger
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
I would think a wireless router would be an assumed prerequisite.
Robert Montgomery
Thanks, David.
Those instructions are unclear to me.
For example, I've scoured my D-Link configuration pages, and nowhere
there does it says "Airport Express DHCP server" or "Airport Express".
What exactly would I type, and where?
Robert
Robert Montgomery
> In article <64lFm.49489$Db2.38027@edtnps83>,
> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> In article <201Fm.49304$Db2.15349@edtnps83>,
>>> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you get the message if you turn off the firewall on this computer?
>>>> When I turn off the firewall, and then click in Itunes on "Robert's
>>>> Airport Express" in the popup window in Itunes's lower, right corner, I
>>>> then no longer get the ""Your computer's firewall settings
>>>> >>> prevent you from using Airtunes" message, but I still get the
>>>> Airtunes' "Connecting to Robert's Airport Express" window with the
>>>> horizontal barbershop pole that keeps moving for a few minutes before it
>>>> goes away, and there's still no check mark beside "Robert's Airport
>>>> Express" in Itunes, so I turned the firewall back on.
>>> Why?
>> The same reason as everyone else who uses a firewall, obviously: to
>> protect against enemy fire.
>>
>> All of the information I've read says to keep the shields up at all times.
>
> That's silly. Your D-Link router has a firewall. There's no need to run
> two firewalls back to back like that.
I didn't know that. I just searched on the Web and found out that the
D-Link 604+ does indeed have a firewall. I'm impressed with your
knowledge, Jolly.
But I just checked my D-Link's configuration page, and it says that the
firewall is disabled.
And I'm afraid to change my firewall settings. Are you sure that I can
activate the D-Link's firewall, and disable my Imac's firewall, without
any bad consequences?
Robert
Robert Montgomery
> In article <1u9Fm.50284$PH1.46216@edtnps82>,
> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm tempted to give up my dream of getting music to play in the
>> adjoining room. I just spent the last two days on this problem. Now I'm
>> being told I have to embark on an entirely new tack � one which, I'm
>> sure � will be fraught with lots more difficulties, especially because
>> what you're proposing sounds like jerry-rigging, so there's probably not
>> much documentation available.
>>
>> If I have to buy a new router, I have to deal with all the headaches
>> that will surely ensue. The more I try to solve this problem, the more
>> problematic it becomes.
>
> It's not nearly as complicated as you make it out to be. No offense
> intended, but you're having this much trouble because you're making
> decisions out of ignorance.
>
>> If I were to buy a new router, would this one be good? It's price is
>> low: http://www.dlink.ca/products/?pid=478
>
> Have you considered the "lowest price" may not be exactly conducive to
> "just works"?
Yes. That's why I asked for opinions about that router.
> I would think the plug-and-play nature of Apple's Airport Extreme router
> would be quite attractive to someone who obviously doesn't know much
> about networking!
Is that so? I didn't know the Airport Extreme is a router. The Apple Web
site (http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/features/frequency.html)
doesn't identify the Airport Extreme as a router. It identifies it as a
device for "wirelsss network users" and as a "base station". I didn't
know that "base station" is synonymous with "router".
Are you sure that an Airport Extreme would replace the D-Link 604+
router without any negative side effects? Advice must be clear for me to
comprehend it.
(Remember: I was advised by some folks that if I have a wireless
connection, I needed to buy only powered speakers, an Airport Express
and a cable to run between them, to get music to play in the next room,
and that turned out not be be the case. It's been made clear by this
thread that I must additionally either buy a more modern router, or
fiddle with the delicate network settings on my current D-Link router
and maybe Imac, too.)
I thought I already have a wireless connection, because I was able to
wirelessly connect my Imac with a PC in the next room, so I must have
misunderstood what was meant by having a wireless connection. I didn't
know that "having a wireless connection" can mean two totally different
things.
Robert
James Dale Guckert
tech.net> wrote:
> (Remember: I was advised by some folks that if I have a wireless
> connection, I needed to buy only powered speakers, an Airport Express
> and a cable to run between them, to get music to play in the next room,
You don't even need a wireless connection if your iMac has an Airport
(or Airport Extreme) card installed. I have an old "desk-lamp" iMac
with the Airport card installed (it wouldn't take the Extreme), I am
connected to the 'Net via an ethernet connection from my DSL modem,
and I use an Airport Express to pipe music to my stereo in another
room.
The problems you are having have nothing to do with a lack of
equipment.
I do have a wireless router as well, but that's for giving a laptop
computer access to the Internet.
M-M
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> Is that so? I didn't know the Airport Extreme is a router. The Apple Web
> site (http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/features/frequency.html)
> doesn't identify the Airport Extreme as a router. It identifies it as a
> device for "wirelsss network users" and as a "base station". I didn't
> know that "base station" is synonymous with "router".
base station = router
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M-M
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> I didn't know the Airport Extreme is a router.
both the Airport Express and the Airport Extreme are routers but only
the Express will do Airtunes. The Extreme has more ethernet connections,
if you need that. They both support wireless printing.
It's very simple as I said before. If you cannot bring the cable into
the room with the speakers, then get 2 Airport routers and they will
work very well together.
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David Empson
Almost all base stations are able to act as routers. This includes
Apple's ones (Airport Express, Airport Extreme and Time Capsule).
> Are you sure that an Airport Extreme would replace the D-Link 604+
> router without any negative side effects? Advice must be clear for me to
> comprehend it.
What sort of connection does your D-Link have to the Internet?
(a) If it is DSL, then an Airport Extreme can't directly replace it,
because the Airport Extreme has an Ethernet connection to the Internet.
You would still need a DSL modem. You could keep using the D-Link as a
DSL modem, and connect an Airport Extreme to the D-Link via Ethernet.
The Airport Extreme would be configured to act as a bridge (not as a
router) and would create a wireless network.
You could also do this with a second Airport Express, which would be
cheaper.
(b) If your D-Link is connected to a cable modem via Ethernet, or any
other Internet connection which uses an Ethernet cable, then an Airport
Extreme can directly replace it.
A second Airport Express would be a poor option in this case, because it
would not allow any Ethernet connected local devices - your iMac and
everything else would have to use the wireless network to connect to the
Internet.
(The Airport Express has a single Ethernet port, which would be needed
to connect to the Internet.)
> (Remember: I was advised by some folks that if I have a wireless
> connection, I needed to buy only powered speakers, an Airport Express
> and a cable to run between them, to get music to play in the next room,
> and that turned out not be be the case. It's been made clear by this
> thread that I must additionally either buy a more modern router, or
> fiddle with the delicate network settings on my current D-Link router
> and maybe Imac, too.)
>
> I thought I already have a wireless connection, because I was able to
> wirelessly connect my Imac with a PC in the next room, so I must have
> misunderstood what was meant by having a wireless connection. I didn't
> know that "having a wireless connection" can mean two totally different
> things.
If you want other computers to have a wireless connection to the
Internet, my earlier suggestion of having the Airport Express creating a
separate wireless network will not work. It would be necessary to run
Ethernet from the Airport Express to the D-Link to allow Internet access
via that wireless network.
The easiest solution by far is to replace or supplement your D-Link with
another wireless base station. That base station will create the
wireless network, and your existing Airport Express will join that
wireless network, as will the PC.
--
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dem...@actrix.gen.nz
Sander Tekelenburg
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
[...]
> (Remember: I was advised by some folks that if I have a wireless
> connection, I needed to buy only powered speakers, an Airport Express
> and a cable to run between them, to get music to play in the next room,
> and that turned out not be be the case.
Just FWIW: as I was one of those advising that, of course I do feel some
responsibility to help you further getting it to actually work. But from
your recent barrage of messages (with lots of needless quoting) I got
completely lost as to what you have configured how, what you have and
haven't tried, and what happens when you do x.
Good to see that a few others seem to understand the problem, though :)
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Robert Montgomery
> What sort of connection does your D-Link have to the Internet?
How can I find out? I checked my router's configuration data in a
browser, and System Profiler, but I can't translate the geekese there
into regular English.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
My Imac does have an Airport card.
So you're contradicting David's statement that my router is causing the
problem (by acting as a DHCP server and broadcasting its own IP address?)
Robert
Robert Montgomery
> In article <Fx_Fm.50578$PH1.27455@edtnps82>,
> Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> (Remember: I was advised by some folks that if I have a wireless
>> connection, I needed to buy only powered speakers, an Airport Express
>> and a cable to run between them, to get music to play in the next room,
>> and that turned out not be be the case.
>
> Just FWIW: as I was one of those advising that, of course I do feel some
> responsibility to help you further getting it to actually work. But from
> your recent barrage of messages (with lots of needless quoting) I got
> completely lost as to what you have configured how, what you have and
> haven't tried, and what happens when you do x.
>
> Good to see that a few others seem to understand the problem, though :)
I understand your confusion, Sander.
I'm sorry about the quoting. I thought that would help to refresh
people's memory of the issues.
Your confusion demonstrates that the issue is not "very simple", which
is what M-M claimed.
Robert
M-M
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
> the issue is not "very simple", which
> is what M-M claimed.
It would be if you get rid of your d-link router.
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