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Red Wolf

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Nov 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/26/99
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Hi. I was wondering if any of you could tell me your opinions, whether bad
or good, on whether or not you think Macintosh is better than some of the
other operating systems like Windows NT, Unix, or even Windows 2000 server.
I am writing a paper for school and would like to know what you all think of
Mac OS as opposed to the other operating systems. Do you think a Mac is
compatible with Windows 2000 server? Do you think that Mac is better than
Linux, Unix, Netware, or even Windows NT 4.0? Also does anyone know what
kind of security features the Mac has in it's OS? That info is very sketchy.
Thanks.

Artie Evans

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Nov 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/27/99
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In article <383f...@ns1.voidnet.com>, Red Wolf <red...@voidnet.com>
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Id be glad to help.... The MacOS is far superior over windows..... the
mac was the first to offer many features found on todays computers,
such as: GUI (graphical user interface)... windows, icons,
folders,etc... , a mouse, built in networking, among other things that
cost extra on pc's... . Why isnt the mac's market share larger than
windows? Apple did a POOR job of marketing the thing.... kept the macos
proprietary for many many years! In the long haul, they hurt
themselves! They did try a few years back to offer clones, but it was a
day late and a dollar short as they say...

Linux is very good I hear, but its somewhat more difficult to use and
install than the macos.... a disadvantage for many users....

Im a computer major in college myself, and I use windows ONLY because I
have to! Ive used win95, 98, netware (netware is nice)... and Ive used
the macos for over 9 years at home... The Mac is NOT perfect.... Ill be
honest... mine crashes at times.... However, its easier to find the
problem and solve it on a mac than it is on ANY other os!

NT is full of security holes.... as is win95, and perhaps even 98?
Internet explorer is also full of security flaws....

In the pc world, there are over 45,000 computer virus... how many on
the mac? Not nearly as much.... not even close!

In over 9 yrs, ive never had a virus! most pc users cant say that! LOL

The ONLY thing I hate about the mac is its lack of software.... things
are looking up in that dept compared to years ago, but theres still
room for improvement!

Macos 9 has tons of built in security features.... support for multiple
users (each user has their own login, with different system features
and settings).... one user cant change things that others may want....
voiceprint passwords... you cant force someone to speak and have the
mac recognize their voice before letter them have access to the
system... and, file encryption, just to name a few

If you need more info about why macs are better than windows, let me
know... I can send you a .pdf file or two with some info in it!

good luck on that paper! Mine are done for this semester! LOL

Sean Tu

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Nov 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/28/99
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Artie Evans wrote:

> [[ This message was both posted and mailed: see
> the "To," "Cc," and "Newsgroups" headers for details. ]]
>
> In article <383f...@ns1.voidnet.com>, Red Wolf <red...@voidnet.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi. I was wondering if any of you could tell me your opinions, whether bad
> > or good, on whether or not you think Macintosh is better than some of the
> > other operating systems like Windows NT, Unix, or even Windows 2000 server.
> > I am writing a paper for school and would like to know what you all think of
> > Mac OS as opposed to the other operating systems. Do you think a Mac is
> > compatible with Windows 2000 server? Do you think that Mac is better than
> > Linux, Unix, Netware, or even Windows NT 4.0? Also does anyone know what
> > kind of security features the Mac has in it's OS? That info is very sketchy.
> > Thanks.
>
>

I've read answers to the Mac v.s. P.C. question in both Mac and P.C. news groups
and have found that if your looking to support your decision to buy one or the
other just post to the appropriate group. This is my opinion on the subject which
I have posted to both camps as well as the Unix community.

I feel both platforms are fairly even. Personally I have a new G4 as well as a
Pentium III. I'm running both Windows95/98/NT, Solaris, and System8.5 and have
found problems with all of them, but no one OS is really better in terms of
stability than the other IMHO. Depending on what you're trying to do to it, I know
I can get a stable system for each system as well as an unstable system that needs
some additional work. The issue of speed is pretty much irrelevant. The G4 is the
fastest for now but just wait a few months and that honor will go to the next
generation Pentium, which will in turn pass the title to the next generation G4 or
5 after a few more months, and so on and so forth. There exist tools for almost
anything for both systems so you can get the same functionality. It may be easier
to do some things in one system v.s. the other but they all have their strengths
and weaknesses.

In looking at a system I believe that you should look at what you will be doing
with it and base your decision on that. Both Windows and Mac's now have the
productivity software available, and for me at least the learning curve on either
is the same. The reason I own both platforms is because the companies I work for
use both platforms depending on the department that generated the data. Although
you can move between the platforms to some extent, it can be a royal pain and
having both systems makes my life quite a bit easier.

The biggest disadvantage I have experienced with Macs has been in terms of support
for the systems. If I need to buy software or hardware for a Mac where I live my
options are extremely limited unless I go the mail order route. In fact I do not
know of one store which regularly carries Mac software or hardware where I live
and have to drive somewhere to get what I need. I have experienced this problem
with Macs since I bought my SE/30 in 89 while going to school in Madison,WI. There
just seems to be so much more out there and more options for P.C.s. To some I
guess the mail order route isn't really a problem, and does solve the problem of
availability, but I don't like the delay if it can be avoided.

Sean
P.S. I have found that Unix users tend to be the rudest when comes to defending
themselves and their OS, maybe its just because the see their OS as being the most
technical and deem themselves to be more educated in the workings of the boxes.
The PC/Mac groups are fairly even with the same amount of people who I would term
as fanatics, who listen like the walls in my home, to the open minded individuals
who are open to a dialogue and will admit they are wrong or you are right.


Mark Haase

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Nov 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/29/99
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In article <271119991800543769%ar...@clark.net>, Artie Evans
<ar...@clark.net> wrote:

> In article <383f...@ns1.voidnet.com>, Red Wolf <red...@voidnet.com>
> wrote:
>

> In the pc world, there are over 45,000 computer virus... how many on
> the mac? Not nearly as much.... not even close!
>
> In over 9 yrs, ive never had a virus! most pc users cant say that! LOL

Ironically, the one virus I have gotten was a macro virus that originated
in word 6 for windows. :)

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Jo

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Dec 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/1/99
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Red Wolf <red...@voidnet.com> wrote in message
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> Hi. I was wondering if any of you could tell me your opinions, whether bad
> or good, on whether or not you think Macintosh is better than some of the
> other operating systems like Windows NT, Unix, or even Windows 2000
server.

NT and 2000 Server are business tools - unfortunately, Apples previous
operating systems were not designed for businesses, however, with the advent
of Apple's OSx Server things look a whole lot better (OSx also has a
UNIX-like front end). Unix is brilliant if you know what you're doing
(which I personally don't 8-) all I can managed is a few command lines.

> I am writing a paper for school and would like to know what you all think
of
> Mac OS as opposed to the other operating systems. Do you think a Mac is
> compatible with Windows 2000 server?

I'm guessing, but I'm sure W2000 is compatible with Appletalk (Mac) - WIN NT
is.

> Do you think that Mac is better than
> Linux, Unix, Netware, or even Windows NT 4.0? Also does anyone know what
> kind of security features the Mac has in it's OS? That info is very
sketchy.
> Thanks.

Prior to the MacOS9, security sucked !!! It is my understanding that the
general populous believe Linux/Unix to be the most secure, Netware right in
the middle and Mac trailing behind.

I use both Mac(various OS's) and Windoze (NT Server/95 & 98) on a daily
basis... my biggest gripe about Windoze is that it is too complicated for
too many people. Apple's problems (cause there are two majors) are it's
price and lack of choice when purchasing applications.

8-)

Mark Haase

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Dec 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/9/99
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In article <822i05$e3g$1...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>, "Jo" <j...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

> Prior to the MacOS9, security sucked !!! It is my understanding that the
> general populous believe Linux/Unix to be the most secure, Netware right in
> the middle and Mac trailing behind.
>
> I use both Mac(various OS's) and Windoze (NT Server/95 & 98) on a daily
> basis... my biggest gripe about Windoze is that it is too complicated for
> too many people. Apple's problems (cause there are two majors) are it's
> price and lack of choice when purchasing applications.
>
> 8-)

I don't know why you say that, and I'm no expert, but I've always
understood it as being exactly the opposite. That is, the mac is easily
made super secure right out of the box, whereas linux takes lots of work
and attention to detail to shut off all the holes.

Frank

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Dec 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/10/99
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"Jo" <j...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> > Prior to the MacOS9, security sucked !!! It is my understanding that the
> > general populous believe Linux/Unix to be the most secure, Netware right in
> > the middle and Mac trailing behind.

I must have missed an important part of the early conversation.
What sort of "security" are you looking for? Is this Mac intended
for use as a home computer? business? public lab? server?

Each usage has different security issues. For servers, MacOS is
probably the MOST secure, unless you install bad CGIs. For
home use, OS9 is a great choice. For a public lab, you really
shouldn't store important files locally, just use RevRdist or
a similar tool to lock the machine in a particular configuration.

-F
.

Michael Dinsmore

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Dec 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/15/99
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>the mac is easily
>made super secure right out of the box,

Well, I would agree, with the use of Foolproof. I've seen hack sites on the
web for getting around Foolproof, and they're baloney--any system administrator
with any sense knows to turn off the options in Foolproof that allow CD
booting, or booting with extensions off. Foolproof locks down a Mac a lot
tighter than Windows can be locked down, in my experience. Comments?


M Dinsmore


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