wuarchive.wustl.edu is now a MESS
Bruce Grubb
I hope that the people who cleaned up this site knew what they
were doing otherwise HUNDREDS of programs that are available NOWHERE
ELSE are gone. The mac, IBM, Amiga, and other key mirror dierectories
are gone.
If THIS is the result of the clean up at wuarchive.wustl.edu the Internet
was better off if wuarchive.wustl.edu had been LEFT ALONE.
.
Michael Briley
bgr...@scf.nmsu.edu (Bruce Grubb) writes:
----- From /README.NOW in wuarchive.wustl.edu -----
The entire archives were destroyed the afternoon of Thursday, January
13th
due to a bug in the system crash dump routines. There have been
serious
problems restoring backups due to a failed tape drive -- we have gotten
a
loaner drive, but there may not be any recent viable backups of the
archives.
Translation: everything was lost, the archive maintainers are
scrambling
to find copies of all of the missing files -- it's probable that some
files were lost permanently.
Thanks for your patience,
The Management
-----
There's a lesson here for all of us...
-Mike Briley
-University of Texas School for Famous Astronomers
Thor's Twins
>Almost ALL the mirror archives on wuarchive.wustl.edu are GONE.
>I hope that the people who cleaned up this site knew what they
>were doing otherwise HUNDREDS of programs that are available NOWHERE
>ELSE are gone.
>
>was better off if wuarchive.wustl.edu had been LEFT ALONE.
[flame on]
This post has got me so mad I'm pounding on my keyboard. I can't believe
you even posted this. The folks at wuarchive have done the Internet
community a great service over the years by providing a huge amount of
storage space and resource allocation. They are down infrequently, and
when they are down they have their site up almost immeadiately. If you
hadn't noticed, they had a fatal system error, causing an overwrite of
the files on their disks. The fact that they have gotten things back up
as far as they have is amazing. As for the mirror sites, hopefully they
will be able to restore these, but if they don't Sa' la vie. The service
they provide is done at no cost to the Internet or *you* for that matter.
BACK OFF AND QUIT COMPLAINING.
[flame off]
To the folks at wuarchive, thank you for doing such a great job. Contrary
to the previous post, this is not the opinion I'm sure of most of us.
GREAT JOB!
russ
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(THE computer guy in a school of (mostly) computer illiterate journalists )
Bruce Grubb
>Almost ALL the mirror archives on wuarchive.wustl.edu are GONE.
>I hope that the people who cleaned up this site knew what they
>were doing otherwise HUNDREDS of programs that are available NOWHERE
>are gone.
This means that _finding_ a given mirror can be an adventure.
Take /systems/mac/info-mac/Old which contains simtel'x old files.
The pointers are gone so, yes the files are still there but _getting_
to them is a problem.
This is also compounded by my Mac FTP list:
29. wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4) /mirrors
This is the de-facto king of shadow archives; it mirrors three mac
sites: sumex {/mirrors/info-mac}, rascal.ics.utexas.edu
{/mirrors/rascal.ics.utexas.edu}, and mac.archive.umich.edu
{mirrors/archive.umich.edu/mac}.
It also keeps files long deleted from the archives it shadows
{/systems/mac/info-mac/Old.} Also shadows several non Mac archives.
The Simtel mirror was "removed due to lack of space. Most of this
material had not been updated for several years. For older Macintosh
software, please check /mirrors/info-mac/Old." (README file in
mirrors/macintosh). The directories all cross into one another
{/mirrors/info-mac/Old is the same as /systems/mac/info-mac/Old for
example.} so it is very easy to find the shadow archives. {The
/mirrors/ route is good for people who want to get to a directory fast
but seemed to got fried when this site was cleaned up.}
TRANSFER MODE: Use ASCII for .hqx files, BINARY (IMAGE) for everything
else.
The /systems/mac remains only as a footnote and was all but dropped
from the list about three months ago.
radparker
Bruce, go piss and moan somewhere else. We already know wuarchive crashed.
Something tells me they didn't fuck it up on purpose though.
Your system has never crashed right?
--
// Radcliffe J. Parker <par...@winternet.mpls.mn.us> 100% Effective //
Matthew
(Thor's Twins) wrote:
>Bruce Grubb <bgr...@scf.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>>Almost ALL the mirror archives on wuarchive.wustl.edu are GONE.
>>I hope that the people who cleaned up this site knew what they
>>were doing otherwise HUNDREDS of programs that are available NOWHERE
>>ELSE are gone.
>>
>>If THIS is the result of the clean up at wuarchive.wustl.edu the Internet
>>was better off if wuarchive.wustl.edu had been LEFT ALONE.
>
>[flame on]
>
>This post has got me so mad I'm pounding on my keyboard. I can't believe
>you even posted this. The folks at wuarchive have done the Internet
>community a great service over the years by providing a huge amount of
>storage space and resource allocation. They are down infrequently, and
>when they are down they have their site up almost immeadiately. If you
>hadn't noticed, they had a fatal system error, causing an overwrite of
>the files on their disks. The fact that they have gotten things back up
>as far as they have is amazing. As for the mirror sites, hopefully they
>will be able to restore these, but if they don't Sa' la vie. The service
>they provide is done at no cost to the Internet or *you* for that matter.
>BACK OFF AND QUIT COMPLAINING.
>
I just thought I would point out that we DO have to pay for the
privelege to use the internet (at least college students), and in turn,
wuarchive- I'm talking of course about TUITION that we have to pay.
- Matt
Erik A. Speckman
Yeah, what he said!!! This NEVER would have happened if they were using
a Mac running SYSTEM 7 instead of a stupid DEC machine ;-)
--
____________________________________________________________________________
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I am not a Netter.
____________________________________________________________________________
Jay Elmore
Matthew <smi...@rpi.edu> wrote:
>In Article <1994Jan24.1...@selway.umt.edu>, cs00...@selway.umt.edu
>(Thor's Twins) wrote:
>>Bruce Grubb <bgr...@scf.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>>>Almost ALL the mirror archives on wuarchive.wustl.edu are GONE.
>>>I hope that the people who cleaned up this site knew what they
>>>were doing otherwise HUNDREDS of programs that are available NOWHERE
>>>ELSE are gone.
>>>If THIS is the result of the clean up at wuarchive.wustl.edu the Internet
>>>was better off if wuarchive.wustl.edu had been LEFT ALONE.
>>This post has got me so mad I'm pounding on my keyboard. I can't believe
>>you even posted this. The folks at wuarchive have done the Internet
>>community a great service over the years by providing a huge amount of
>>storage space and resource allocation. They are down infrequently, and
>>when they are down they have their site up almost immeadiately. If you
>>hadn't noticed, they had a fatal system error, causing an overwrite of
>>the files on their disks. The fact that they have gotten things back up
>>as far as they have is amazing. As for the mirror sites, hopefully they
>>will be able to restore these, but if they don't Sa' la vie. The service
>>they provide is done at no cost to the Internet or *you* for that matter.
>> ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^
>>BACK OFF AND QUIT COMPLAINING.
> I just thought I would point out that we DO have to pay for the
>privelege to use the internet (at least college students), and in turn,
>wuarchive- I'm talking of course about TUITION that we have to pay.
You're getting into semantics. Whether or not you pay for internet
access, wuarchive.wustl.edu does not cost anything to access...
Jay (=
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radparker
[...]
>>will be able to restore these, but if they don't Sa' la vie. The service
>>they provide is done at no cost to the Internet or *you* for that matter.
>> ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^
> I just thought I would point out that we DO have to pay for the
>privelege to use the internet (at least college students), and in turn,
>wuarchive- I'm talking of course about TUITION that we have to pay.
> - Matt
That's a load of shit. I don't pay tuition to Washington University. In
fact I don't pay it to anyone, because I'm not enrolled anywhere.
You are saying that your tuition dues for Rensselaer Polytechnic
Institute qualify you to access Wuarchive? Are you THAT stupid?
Actually, you also realize that you don't HAVE to pay tuition. Only if
you want to go to school.
Robert S. mah
> I just thought I would point out that we DO have to pay for the
> privelege to use the internet (at least college students), and in turn,
> wuarchive- I'm talking of course about TUITION that we have to pay.
That has got to be one of the most asinine comments I've ever heard on the
net.
Try getting _your_ school to fork over gigabytes of disk space and a
machine or two just so lot's of strangers store files there. Not to
mention opening the school up to the possibility of copyright/patent
violation lawsuits.
Even better, try doing it yourself!
Later,
Rob
______________________________________________________________________
Robert S. Mah | One Step Beyond rm...@panix.com | 212.947.6507
Matthew
(Robert S. mah) wrote:
>Matthew <smi...@rpi.edu> wrote:
>> I just thought I would point out that we DO have to pay for the
>> privelege to use the internet (at least college students), and in turn,
>> wuarchive- I'm talking of course about TUITION that we have to pay.
>
>That has got to be one of the most asinine comments I've ever heard on the
>net.
>
>Try getting _your_ school to fork over gigabytes of disk space and a
>machine or two just so lot's of strangers store files there. Not to
>mention opening the school up to the possibility of copyright/patent
>violation lawsuits.
>
>Even better, try doing it yourself!
>
>Later,
I think a few people need to chill out a bit. I wasn't knocking
wuarchive, I use it too. You've misinterpreted what I was saying. What I
was saying was that Internet usage costs college students money. We pay for
the right to use it. It's a shame that alot of people I know here don't
know anything about the internet, usenet, ftp, etc, while they are paying
for the privelege w/ their tuition. - Matt
Jim Jagielski
> I think a few people need to chill out a bit. I wasn't knocking
>wuarchive, I use it too. You've misinterpreted what I was saying. What I
>was saying was that Internet usage costs college students money. We pay for
>the right to use it. It's a shame that alot of people I know here don't
------
^ wrong
>know anything about the internet, usenet, ftp, etc, while they are paying
>for the privelege w/ their tuition. - Matt
----------
^ right
Sorry, but all you are paying for with your tuition is what's local: your
machine, terminals, disks, etc... In _no_ way does this money somehow get
transfered over the ether to wuarchive or any other ftp-server out there :)
I doubt that colleges say "Will you be using Internet? If so, tuition is
$15000/year, otherwise it's $10000/year." I also hate to say it, but your
tuition is paying for _women's bathrooms_ which I doubt you are using as
well... Ack! Boy that seems unfair! Demand a refund! Storm the ladies room
and use it dang-dammit! Hey, isn't there some lab equipment you're not using
too? Find where it is and start using it! Now! ;)
--
#include <std/disclaimer.h>
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j...@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov | "Where the hell are the singing cats?"
NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4 | Paul Newman
Greenbelt, MD 20771 |
Thomas Reed
par...@icicle.winternet.mpls.mn.us writes:
>That's a load of shit. I don't pay tuition to Washington University.
In
>fact I don't pay it to anyone, because I'm not enrolled anywhere.
>
>You are saying that your tuition dues for Rensselaer Polytechnic
>Institute qualify you to access Wuarchive? Are you THAT stupid?
I don't know what everyone's problem was with this guy's post, but this
has GOT to be the most caustic, irritating one yet. YOU, sir, are full
of shit. What I believe the person you are referring to was trying to
say is that, for every person with Internet access, SOMEONE is paying for
it! Not specifically for wuarchive, but for Internet access as a whole.
(Without that, I'd like to see you get to wuarchive!) The previous
poster mentioned tuition, and you called him stupid for saying that.
However, his tuition DOES pay for his Internet access. You say you don't
pay tuition, so I assume you've got your Internet access through your
job. You may not be paying a thing for your access, but rest assured
that your EMPLOYER IS! For instance, my Internet access is free to
everyone in this department, as it is provided at no cost to me by MY
boss. However, as a LAN manager for our part of the department, I can
tell you that Internet access is not a cheap commodity! There is a
monthly charge for EVERY computer we have connected to the Internet.
Now, this money doesn't go to wuarchive. (Well, some of it may for us,
but then -- we're at Wash. U., the home of wuarchive.) But the point the
original poster was trying to make, as I read it, was that you do have to
pay for access to wuarchive SOMEHOW.
Just my $0.02.
-Thomas
=====================================================
Thomas Reed Washington University
Re...@telesphere.wustl.edu Medical School
(also: Re...@medicine.wustl.edu)
-----------------------------------------------------
Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no
influence on society. -- Mark Twain
=====================================================
Jim Schwartz
Jim, thanks for the laugh :-) You should be a standup commedian. Oops, I better
ask a Macintosh question: (for real) Why won't BeHierarchic 2.0 work on my
660av running System 7.1.x?
--Jim
Jim Schwartz --> jsch...@desire.wright.edu --> (419) 586-0356
Dick Hoover Award: Most Improved Junior Bowler, Akron, OH--1967
Tim Foecke
> > I think a few people need to chill out a bit. I wasn't knocking
> >wuarchive, I use it too. You've misinterpreted what I was saying.
> >What I was saying was that Internet usage costs college students
> >money. We pay for the right to use it. It's a shame that alot of
> >people I know here don't
There was no "mis-interpretation". Your initial post was quite clear that
you expected wuarchive to work because you paid tuition. Why don't you admit
to a massive case of athelete's tongue and apologize to the system admin at
wu?
Jim Schwartz
> In article <1994Jan27.0...@desire.wright.edu>
jsch...@desire.wright.edu (Jim Schwartz) writes:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> smi...@rpi.edu (Matthew ) writes:
>>>
>>>> I think a few people need to chill out a bit. I wasn't knocking
>>>>wuarchive, I use it too. You've misinterpreted what I was saying. What I
>>>>was saying was that Internet usage costs college students money. We pay for
>>>>the right to use it. It's a shame that alot of people I know here don't
>>> ------
>>> ^ wrong
>>>
>>>>know anything about the internet, usenet, ftp, etc, while they are paying
>>>>for the privelege w/ their tuition. - Matt
>>> ----------
>>> ^ right
>
Dear L.,
I hope you realize that I did not misspell "privilege."
Please read the entire message next time. Thank you.
--Jim
--
L.H....@lut.ac.uk
>> smi...@rpi.edu (Matthew ) writes:
>>
>>> I think a few people need to chill out a bit. I wasn't knocking
>>>wuarchive, I use it too. You've misinterpreted what I was saying. What I
>>>was saying was that Internet usage costs college students money. We pay for
>>>the right to use it. It's a shame that alot of people I know here don't
>> ------
>> ^ wrong
>>
>>>know anything about the internet, usenet, ftp, etc, while they are paying
>>>for the privelege w/ their tuition. - Matt
>> ----------
>> ^ right
L.
Jean-Michel Male
T.Reed|> In article <parker.759507182@icicle> radparker, par...@icicle.winternet.mpls.mn.us writes:
T.Reed|> Now, this money doesn't go to wuarchive. (Well, some of it may for us,
T.Reed|> but then -- we're at Wash. U., the home of wuarchive.) But the point the
T.Reed|> original poster was trying to make, as I read it, was that you do have to
T.Reed|> pay for access to wuarchive SOMEHOW.
You pay for accessing internet.
If wuarchive is down, you can't connect to, and you
don't pay for the time you haven't been able to use
internet for connecting to wuarchive because it was
down.
So, when wuarchive is down, you earn money.
T.Reed|> Just my $0.02.
Better earn them.
T.Reed|> -Thomas
T.Reed|> =====================================================
T.Reed|> Thomas Reed Washington University
T.Reed|> Re...@telesphere.wustl.edu Medical School
T.Reed|> (also: Re...@medicine.wustl.edu)
T.Reed|> -----------------------------------------------------
T.Reed|> Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no
T.Reed|> influence on society. -- Mark Twain
T.Reed|> =====================================================
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06565 Valbonne (FRANCE)
Email: jm...@mirsa.inria.fr
(Mort aux vaches !)
Jay Elmore
Jim Schwartz <jsch...@desire.wright.edu> wrote:
>In article <CKCF5...@lut.ac.uk>, L.H....@lut.ac.uk writes:
>> In article <1994Jan27.0...@desire.wright.edu>
>jsch...@desire.wright.edu (Jim Schwartz) writes:
>>>In article <27...@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov>, j...@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov
>>>(Jim Jagielski) writes:
>>>> smi...@rpi.edu (Matthew ) writes:
>>>>> I think a few people need to chill out a bit. I wasn't knocking
>>>>>wuarchive, I use it too. You've misinterpreted what I was saying. What I
>>>>>was saying was that Internet usage costs college students money.
>>>>>We pay for the right to use it. It's a shame that alot of people I
-----
>>>> ^ wrong
>>>>>know here don't know anything about the internet, usenet, ftp, etc,
>>>>>while they are paying for the privelege w/ their tuition.
>>>> ---------
>>>> ^ right
>> ^ Wrong. It's 'privilege'.
>Dear L.,
>I hope you realize that I did not misspell "privilege."
>Please read the entire message next time. Thank you.
Dear Jim: I hope you realize that was wasn't flaming your spelling (or
anyone's for that matter.)
Here's my interpretation of what just happened. If I am wrong, I really
don't care, since this is my opinion and I should be shot for even
bothering to do this. But I digress...
The first poster was trying to explain that his tuition allows him the
"right/privilege" to access wuarchive.wustl.edu, or ANY public ftp site,
BBS, MU*, what-have-you.
The first set of followups was trying to say that his usage of "right"
in the first reference was incorrect, but that his usage of "privelege"
(sic) was correct. Translation: wuarchive.eustl.edu is a PRIVILEGE, and
one that is not always available at all times, and is subject to change
without notice.
The second set of followups (whom I believe is you) probably assumed that
the "right" under "privelege" (sic^2) was not an affirmation of the usage
of this word, but intended as a replacement; in other words, that
followup #1 was trying to make it seem if access to wuarchive.wustl.edu
is, in fact, a right. So followup #2 (you?) tacked a "wrong" underneath it.
The third set of followups probably assumed just the opposite, but
conversely the same thing followup #2 just did. (Confused? You won't be,
after the next episode of SOAP...) That is, that the "right" under
"privelege" (sic ad infinitum) was affirming this use, but that the
"wrong" underneath the "right" was negating that; in other words, that
followup #2 was trying to make it seem that access to wuarchive.wustl.edu
was a right, not a privilege. (Does this make sense now?) So followup #3
tacked a "Right; it's "privilege"" underneath followup #2's "wrong".
Now you believe, apparently, that he is mistakenly critizing your
spelling, since he spelled "privilege" correctly when no one else has to
date.
In short: you're all correct, but for the wrong reasons.
Jay (=
(who is going back to bed now...)
Thomas Reed
jm...@fanfan.inria.fr writes:
> If wuarchive is down, you can't connect to, and you
> don't pay for the time you haven't been able to use
> internet for connecting to wuarchive because it was
> down.
> So, when wuarchive is down, you earn money.
Not all of us pay for Internet access like that. F'rinstance, this
account that I access news with costs our department a flat fee of
$20/month. Most places I know of other than BBS's are like this.
>T.Reed|> Just my $0.02.
>
> Better earn them.
*sigh* Why must people make comments like this? They're oh so relevant.
-Thomas
=====================================================
Thomas Reed Washington University
Re...@telesphere.wustl.edu Medical School
(also: Re...@medicine.wustl.edu)
-----------------------------------------------------
Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no
influence on society. -- Mark Twain
=====================================================
RHarlow
<re...@medicine.wustl.edu> writes:
After reading an article by Stephen Marcus titled "Road Kill on the Super
Highway," I must admit I'm a person who bumbles and stumbles. The article did
help me realize that my mistakes ultimately cost somebody, somewhere,
something. While this rookie still has a zest for climbing the learning curve,
I will tread lightly and leave few footprints.
Thomas Reed
writes:
I don't know exactly how my name got into this thread, or even what this
thread is about. Could somebody tell me what I supposedly said?