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Stephen Moll

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Aug 10, 2004, 7:43:45 AM8/10/04
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Does anyone know where iTunes stores the artwork images. When I drop an
image file of an album file onto iTunes, it has an image for the album and
tracks, and if I delete the original image file, the images stay there. So
presumably iTunes makes a copy somewhere... But where?


Martin Crisp

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Aug 10, 2004, 8:30:44 AM8/10/04
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:43:45 +1000, Stephen Moll wrote
(in article <4118b390$1...@baen1673807.greenlnk.net>):

Inside the track file. Somehow.

Test. Find a big image.

Add it to one track.
Locate that track on disk -> get info, check out the mod date &
file size

Back in iTunes, delete the artwork from the track.

Locate the track -> get info. It shrank.

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Stephen Moll

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Aug 10, 2004, 9:01:57 AM8/10/04
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"Martin Crisp" <Spam....@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
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Hmmm interesting...

So if I do that to an MP3 file, how does that affect the file format I
wonder. Particularly as I like to transfer MP3s to CD-RWs to play on my DVD
player sometimes.

And whilst on that subject...

Isn't annoying how iTunes is supposed to be able to create MP3 disks, but
can't do it directly with AAC files!?


Martin Crisp

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Aug 10, 2004, 10:29:45 AM8/10/04
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:01:57 +1000, Stephen Moll wrote
(in article <4118c5e4$1...@baen1673807.greenlnk.net>):

>
> "Martin Crisp" <Spam....@tesseract.com.au> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.BD3EFD14...@news.ozemail.com.au...
>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:43:45 +1000, Stephen Moll wrote
>> (in article <4118b390$1...@baen1673807.greenlnk.net>):

[...]

>>> presumably iTunes makes a copy somewhere... But where?
>>
>> Inside the track file. Somehow.

[...]

> Hmmm interesting...
>
> So if I do that to an MP3 file, how does that affect the file format I
> wonder. Particularly as I like to transfer MP3s to CD-RWs to play on my DVD
> player sometimes.

No idea, but an artworked MP3 works fine in iTunes 1.0; so it looks
as though the data format handles it <shrug>

> And whilst on that subject...
>
> Isn't annoying how iTunes is supposed to be able to create MP3 disks, but
> can't do it directly with AAC files!?

Doesn't it?
</me tends to put music _into_ iTunes ...>

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David Besack

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Aug 10, 2004, 11:18:16 AM8/10/04
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> So if I do that to an MP3 file, how does that affect the file format I
> wonder. Particularly as I like to transfer MP3s to CD-RWs to play on my
DVD
> player sometimes.

If you make an mp3 CD, the mp3 file will contain 1) music 2) track/artis
info 3) artwork. Obviously 2 and 3 are optional.

Depending on your CD/DVD player, sometimes they display the artist/track
info, but I don't know any that display the album art.

The mp3 will still have that info, it's just "there". Luckily most mp3s are
a few MBs, where the art might be 100K or less, so it won't significantly
impact your file size, or how many you can fit on a CD-R.

> Isn't annoying how iTunes is supposed to be able to create MP3 disks, but
> can't do it directly with AAC files!?

iTunes exists for you to play music on your computer and iPod, and uses AAC
by default because it's better for those purposes than mp3. The downside is
most things don't play AAC files, like CD/DVD players that recognize mp3s.
My suggestion is, if that is what you do with your music, don't use AAC to
begin with. You can change the preferences so it always imports to the mp3
format.

Stephen Moll

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Aug 10, 2004, 12:41:44 PM8/10/04
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> > Isn't annoying how iTunes is supposed to be able to create MP3 disks,
but
> > can't do it directly with AAC files!?
>
> iTunes exists for you to play music on your computer and iPod, and uses
AAC
> by default because it's better for those purposes than mp3. The downside
is
> most things don't play AAC files, like CD/DVD players that recognize mp3s.
> My suggestion is, if that is what you do with your music, don't use AAC to
> begin with. You can change the preferences so it always imports to the
mp3
> format.
>
>
>
I know. I prefer to use AAC, although a part of my collection predates AAC
for me, so I have a mixture. Occasionally I like to create a CD-RW with a
selection of tracks to listen to, for a dinner party say, and play them on
my DVD player, amplifier Hi-Fi. I found that it would quite happily create a
playlist of MP3s and AACs. When I click the Burn button, it will check media
and then wait for me to click the burn button to create the disk. At this
point it will show all the AAC files dimmed, and all the MP3s selected and
report a far smaller number of files ready to burn that I had selected. It
just strikes me that given that iTunes can convert AAC to MP3 and
vice-versa, why can't it at least give you the option of doing the
conversion straight to a burned disk.


Richard H

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Aug 10, 2004, 1:21:11 PM8/10/04
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On 10/8/04 5:41 pm, in article 4118f968$1...@baen1673807.greenlnk.net,
"Stephen Moll" <stephe...@nospam.amsjv.com> wrote:

> When I click the Burn button, it will check media
> and then wait for me to click the burn button to create the disk. At this
> point it will show all the AAC files dimmed, and all the MP3s selected and
> report a far smaller number of files ready to burn that I had selected. It
> just strikes me that given that iTunes can convert AAC to MP3 and
> vice-versa, why can't it at least give you the option of doing the
> conversion straight to a burned disk.
>
>

In my iTunes (v4.6), under Preferences...Burning there are 3 possible Disk
Formats:

Audio CD - this creates 'CD-type' CDs for use in Hi-Fi CD players,
etc. (I have used this successfully);
MP3 CD - this ONLY burns MP3 files (i.e. *NOT* AAC files and
non-music files);
Data CD or DVD - for creating CD ROM discs.

I suspect you have MP3 CD selected !
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Martin Crisp

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Aug 10, 2004, 5:19:46 PM8/10/04
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:50:54 +1000, Mark Haase wrote
(in article <mehaase-DC3825...@netnews.upenn.edu>):

> In article <0001HW.BD3EFD14...@news.ozemail.com.au>,


> Martin Crisp <Spam....@tesseract.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Inside the track file. Somehow.
>

> Inside of an ID3 tag, I believe. The image is transcoded into
> displayable ASCII and then embedded as text.

Plausible, at the very least :-)
[If I was really interested I'd look ;-)]

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Gregory Weston

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Aug 10, 2004, 5:37:49 PM8/10/04
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In article <0001HW.BD3F7912...@news.ozemail.com.au>,
Martin Crisp <dsgirdkur.munged.no.spam.thanks.@tesseract.com.au>
wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:50:54 +1000, Mark Haase wrote
> (in article <mehaase-DC3825...@netnews.upenn.edu>):
>
> > In article <0001HW.BD3EFD14...@news.ozemail.com.au>,
> > Martin Crisp <Spam....@tesseract.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> Inside the track file. Somehow.
> >
> > Inside of an ID3 tag, I believe. The image is transcoded into
> > displayable ASCII and then embedded as text.
>
> Plausible, at the very least :-)
> [If I was really interested I'd look ;-)]

Not only plausible, but nearly correct. Except for the transcoded into
displayable ASCII part. The "attached picture" frame of the ID3 tag is
described in section 4.14 of this document:

<http://www.id3.org/id3v2.4.0-frames.txt>

G

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Allen Gainsford

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Aug 10, 2004, 8:10:01 PM8/10/04
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Gregory Weston <gwesto...@CAPSattbi.com> wrote in news:gwestonREMOVE-
3D4748.173...@netnews.comcast.net:

> Not only plausible, but nearly correct. Except for the transcoded into
> displayable ASCII part. The "attached picture" frame of the ID3 tag is
> described in section 4.14 of this document:
>
><http://www.id3.org/id3v2.4.0-frames.txt>


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I wonder what ... whoever ... was thinking. :)

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Stephen Moll

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Aug 11, 2004, 4:11:54 AM8/11/04
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>
> I suspect you have MP3 CD selected !
> --

Of course, I want a disk full of MP3s that my DVD player can play. My point
is that, knowing iTunes is capable of converting between formats, why can I
only add tracks to my MP3 disks that are already MP3s?


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David Besack

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Aug 11, 2004, 9:59:16 AM8/11/04
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> Of course, I want a disk full of MP3s that my DVD player can play. My
point
> is that, knowing iTunes is capable of converting between formats, why can
I
> only add tracks to my MP3 disks that are already MP3s?

It's an interesting point, and probably not a bad feature to add in a future
version of iTunes. There's a suggestion page somewhere for iTunes, maybe
you should send that request in. Maybe no one's noticed it as a potential
feature yet.


Stephen Moll

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Aug 11, 2004, 11:01:14 AM8/11/04
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> It's an interesting point, and probably not a bad feature to add in a
future
> version of iTunes. There's a suggestion page somewhere for iTunes, maybe
> you should send that request in. Maybe no one's noticed it as a potential
> feature yet.
>
>

I'll have a look for the suggestion page later. I'll take a rummage around
the Apple Developer Connection pages, maybe there is an appropriate forum
there.


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