Tired of arguing...lets settle the arguments
the End
Please do not follow-up to this post. Sean is clearly ignorant of facts
about the various computer platforms, but this is not the appropriate
forum for pointing out his mistakes.
Thanks,
Jim
Travis Grundke
Thank goodness someone has pointed this out! :-) Lets please move the wars
to the advocacy group or E-mail?
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the energizer killfile
it keeps growing and growing...
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>
> I have received several letters from a friend who is a strong Mac fan
> of copies of articles from this newsgroup saying that Macs rule and IBMs
> suck. Lets define what they are could and bad for:
>
[much misinformation & ignorance about the Mac deleted]
I can smell the smoke already. I wonder if this guy could be charged with
arson!
Really, if you don't know what you're talking about then it's best to
keep your opinions to yourself.
The discussion that has been going on here (which I stopped following
because it's tiresome after the nth time) has mostly been by people who
have lots of experience with both platforms. There's no point in wasting
people's time with this sort of uninformed opinion.
Thomas Aaron Insel
> Will a Mac run Unix ? And Dos ? At the same time. My 386 can.
Yes, it can.
> Ever here of X-windows for a Mac. No
Yes.
> Ever seen a Mac as a network server. Not as common as 486s.
Agreed, Macs are more expensive, and aren't worth it for non-interactive
applications.
> Add on to or upgrade a MAC ? Write software for the MAC...hahahahahaha
I want a second color monitor? Drop in a card. Want a third hard
drive, plug it in. Tell me how easy these are on a PC. And, programming
for the mac is easy, at least if you know how to program in anything
but BASIC.
> As per IBM ethics, I can't remember the name of the computer that apple
> tried out the MAC gui in, but once the MAC was ready, any of the old
> computers they had laying around were landfilled. Destroyed. Thousands
> of computers that worked, but apple wanted people to buy the MAC
> instead. So they junked them all. I know of several schools that would
> have loved a great deal on a cheap computer...but hey.....now they
> are just taking up landfill space. Talk about a environmently
> sound move by apple.
Lisa. And, you're just plain wrong. Leftover Lisa's were modified and
sold as the Mac XL.
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Thomas Insel (tin...@uiuc.edu)
ok, uiuc pays me, but that doesn't mean this is anyone's opinion but mine.
jim bailey
[lots of silly flamage deleted]
Let's ignore this flame bait, huh, please.
>Pilo...@sage.cc.purdue.edu
>Sean McDermott
Eric S. Smith
pilo...@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Sean McDermott) writes:
> So to all the MAC fans out there...give up hope of ever not being
> one step behind Intel and Microsoft.
You must not be tired of arguing if you post a statement like this,
pilotace.
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Gregory A. Haverkamp
start an argument. I hate to see another one start; but, hey, I'll bite.
Perhaps before you start such things, you ought to check out your facts.
Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.mac.hardware: 9-Dec-92 Tired of
arguing...lets set.. Sean McDe...@sage.cc.p (2672)
> Mac: Desktop Publishing and related fields (freehand drawing)
> (in other words, the non-serious, non-changing job)
> (one program is all they will ever need)
> IBM: Everything else (except servers...sequents or suns work better)
Guess it depends upon the environment you prefer. I find the Mac
considerably better for word processing and spreadsheet use. I don't
really care for most of the things I've ever used on Dos machines.
Price? Well, I guess it depends upon what type of product one wants.
Anyone who argues that a Mac costs less is wrong. However, if you
prefer using a Mac, the price really isn't as important. Utility is the
most important factor when deciding upon a computer.
Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.mac.hardware: 9-Dec-92 Tired of
arguing...lets set.. Sean McDe...@sage.cc.p (2672)
> Which is faster : A Mac or a 386SX ? Here at purdue, I have access to
> several computers. Trying to get near the public terminals is hard
> enough, but getting to the Macs takes less time, because so few use
> them due to their slow speed.
It is incorrect to try to lump all Macs as one category. In addition, I
suppose it all depends on how you're defining speed.
Here at Carnegie Mellon, the only time I've seen people using Dos
machines is to read mail. Macs and DECstations (Unix boxes) are about
all that are used. And Macs are far more difficult to get at, even
though there are more Macs than DECs. And we use computers extensively
here -- everyone.
Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.mac.hardware: 9-Dec-92 Tired of
arguing...lets set.. Sean McDe...@sage.cc.p (2672)
> I have seen programs to make a Mac look like a Windows screen. Can't find
> the reverse for some reason though.
For one, it would probably be in violation of Apple's copyrights if it
displayed a Mac screen.
Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.mac.hardware: 9-Dec-92 Tired of
arguing...lets set.. Sean McDe...@sage.cc.p (2672)
> Will a Mac run Unix ? And Dos ? At the same time. My 386 can.
Actually, yes. In fact, Unix, Dos, and Mac OS, which your 386 can't run
at all.
Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.mac.hardware: 9-Dec-92 Tired of
arguing...lets set.. Sean McDe...@sage.cc.p (2672)
> Ever here of X-windows for a Mac. No
Think you need to check your info, Sean. Ever hear of Mac X?
Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.mac.hardware: 9-Dec-92 Tired of
arguing...lets set.. Sean McDe...@sage.cc.p (2672)
> Ever seen a Mac as a network server. Not as common as 486s.
Because a Mac is too good to waste as a server. Better to use machines
that aren't as good for the user. Lots of 486 servers for Mac nets.
Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.mac.hardware: 9-Dec-92 Tired of
arguing...lets set.. Sean McDe...@sage.cc.p (2672)
> Add on to or upgrade a MAC ? Write software for the MAC...hahahahahaha
Add on to and upgrade almost every Mac. Accelerators, faster SCSI,
larger screens, color, etc.
Write software? Do it all the time. Assembly and Forth. I much prefer
the 68000 to the 80xxx series any day. Much nicer instruction set.
Your 386 instructions have a basis running to the old days (ever
programmed an 8080?)
Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.mac.hardware: 9-Dec-92 Tired of
arguing...lets set.. Sean McDe...@sage.cc.p (2672)
> As per IBM ethics, I can't remember the name of the computer that apple
> tried out the MAC gui in, but once the MAC was ready, any of the old
> computers they had laying around were landfilled. Destroyed.
Not quite the way it worked, Sean. Perhaps what needs to be noted is
that Apple moves on, IBM stays in the old days. For that matter, there
really is no one company that the current state of Dos machines can owe
homage to. Maybe Intel.
Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.mac.hardware: 9-Dec-92 Tired of
arguing...lets set.. Sean McDe...@sage.cc.p (2672)
> So to all the MAC fans out there...give up hope of ever not being
> one step behind Intel and Microsoft.
Of course. Hmmm. What happens when Apple, Motorola, and IBM leave
Intel and Microsoft to die off when Pink is released?
Which brings to mind something else. Is Microsoft really ahead? They
sell more units, but they've been playing catch up ever since the Mac
was released. Face it, Microsoft continues to eek out an existence on
the same basic OS platform that it copied from Gary Kildall's CP/M years
ago.
Greg