Problem with MAC SE-30
Thierry PEPIN
Someone to help me trouble shooting mac old SE-30 ?
After start up, after a while, the mac beep and reboot automatically, but
it fail to find the HardDisk.
I have to use a floppy to be able to reboot and this does not
always.succeed.
If I wait a day, it can start but do the same as above again.
I checked the battery, it seems (ok 3,6 V).
Any idea ?
or
Procedure to trouble shoot.
Thank you in advance in helping me to keep my old friend alive.
Thierry thierr...@freesurf.fr
Mike DeMicco
news:3d25c02a$0$10524$626a...@news.free.fr:
> Someone to help me trouble shooting mac old SE-30 ?
>
> After start up, after a while, the mac beep and reboot automatically,
> but it fail to find the HardDisk.
> I have to use a floppy to be able to reboot and this does not
> always.succeed.
>
> If I wait a day, it can start but do the same as above again.
It could be your hard disk is going bad. I had an SE-30 with a drive that
wouldn't spin-up all the time. It would typically do it when the machine
was cold, but would restart OK after it was running for a while. I just
left the machine on and eventually got rid of the computer.
Henry
> Someone to help me trouble shooting mac old SE-30 ?
>
> After start up, after a while, the mac beep and reboot automatically, but
> it fail to find the HardDisk.
> I have to use a floppy to be able to reboot and this does not
> always.succeed.
<snip further detail>
Surmise:
Sounds like maybe the hard disk is just worn out. Is it the original?
Nostalgia trip:
I _loved_ my SE/30. Bought it in July of '89 and ran it 24/7 until
January of '91, when I had to go on an extended out-of-town. Came back
in April and it wouldn't start--the infamous 'stiction' (IBM 40 meg
disk--yes, kids, 40 MEG). I used the old Indian trick of shining a
hair-dryer on it and got it up, and quickly bought a new HD (a 105
Quantum!! Who could possibly need so much space?!?) and managed to copy
all of my files without loss or corruption.
In '91 I bought the Nutmeg 8-bit PDS card and 20" Ikegami Trinitron
monitor for it. It was absolutely lovely (for the time), when it worked.
Unfortunately, there were some problems--but they were eventually sorted
out. Hurrah for Nutmeg USA (Bruce in Texas).
That system served me well until '93, when it was retired and replaced
with a Centris. The whole shebang then went hand-me-down to my niece,
and my sister's family used it for some years. The Ikegami finally
crapped out permanently in about '96 (five years' life--disappointing
for a $2500 monitor), but the SE/30 endures--they used it daily (24/7)
until they bought their Rev. 'B' iMac in '98.
Now it sits in a box in the basement. I boot it up every once in a while
when I visit, just for fun--and I sometimes have to think twice about
how to do things under that ancient OS (7.1)!!
My first personal computer was an original 128 Mac in '84. At that time
and for a (good) while after, another crowd was chanting 'Apple ][
forever' at their meetings. Well, I could never accept that, because the
world changes, and you've got to go along with it. But the SE/30 was a
true CHAMP in its time, and I thank you for mentioning it now and giving
me the chance to go off on this mini-rant.
(BTW: If there is a better answer to your question than mine, I hope you
get it. Bon chance, mon vieux.)
cheers,
Henry
Michael Black
> Thierry PEPIN <thierr...@freesurf.fr> wrote:
>
> > Someone to help me trouble shooting mac old SE-30 ?
> >
> > After start up, after a while, the mac beep and reboot automatically, but
> > it fail to find the HardDisk.
> > I have to use a floppy to be able to reboot and this does not
> > always.succeed.
>
> <snip further detail>
>
> Surmise:
>
> Sounds like maybe the hard disk is just worn out. Is it the original?
>
> Nostalgia trip:
>
> I _loved_ my SE/30. Bought it in July of '89 and ran it 24/7 until
> January of '91, when I had to go on an extended out-of-town. Came back
> in April and it wouldn't start--the infamous 'stiction' (IBM 40 meg
> disk--yes, kids, 40 MEG). I used the old Indian trick of shining a
> hair-dryer on it and got it up, and quickly bought a new HD (a 105
> Quantum!! Who could possibly need so much space?!?) and managed to copy
> all of my files without loss or corruption.
It's interesting how the SE/30 can still keep it's appeal. I saw one
for sale at a garage sale six weeks ago for fifty dollars, and I was
tempted to offer twenty five, for the sake of having one.
A few years ago, I would have gladly paid a hundred for one, if I'd
come across one locally, because it would have been better than
what I was using, and I do like those compact Macs. (I scrapped my Mac
Plus last year, but keep a Classic handy just in case.) Even 13 months
ago, I would have grabbed an SE/30 for fifty dollars, because it
was still better than the Mac LC I was using.
But then in June of 2001, I bought a used Pentium, the best computer
I've ever had even though it's four or five years old. And then since
then I was given two older Macs (but more recent than the LC), and a month
ago I bought a PowerMac 6100 with a whopping 72megs of RAM for ten
dollars.
Considering all that, the only reason for me buying a Mac SE/30 would
be to collect it, to have one around like the Apple II that I got years
after I lusted after it and have never really used, and fifty dollars
was suddenly more than I was interested in spending. I probably should
have offered less, because I can imagine it still sitting there.
On the other hand, it would still make a good computer for someone
who didn't have much needs, such as myself with my LC. You can run
a decent word process on it, or better yet BBedit or something like
McSink. And it's got a CPU for running a PPP connection, though I'm not
sure a browser would be all that practical. And it has the advantage
of being an all in one unit. Someone would be better off with one
than a similar vintage "IBM compatible", and less bulky.
My guess, if the hard drive is still good, is that the power supply
is either flaky, or needs adjusting. I once looked at a friend's Mac Plus
that had the five volt supply adjusted too low, and it kept rebooting
until I set the voltage right.
Michael
Paul Fuchs
> Thierry PEPIN <thierr...@freesurf.fr> wrote:
>
> > Someone to help me trouble shooting mac old SE-30 ?
> >
> > After start up, after a while, the mac beep and reboot automatically, but
> > it fail to find the HardDisk.
> > I have to use a floppy to be able to reboot and this does not
> > always.succeed.
>
Another nostalgic SE/30 owner - my first Mac. Went there from a Sanyo
555, Intel 8088 expanded to 256 KB ram, no "Winchester" and two 5.25
360kB floppies (back when they flopped). Other than the B&W small pixel
screen, the SE/30 was a great leap forward.
When I sold my SE/30 in 96 ( I had gone mobile with a used PB180c) it
had 8 MB RAM - it had come with 1, a major investment. The only thing
that ever went wrong with it was the striction of that IBM 40 MB SCSI.
If your machine still has the orignal 40, it's a miracle equivalent to a
200 year-old man.
Solution is to borrow a SCSI ZIP drive and move the contents while you
still can. Then go to a university science department and start
examining door stops until you find a 3.5 inch SCSI replacement :-)
--
Paul Fuchs
paulfuchs-at-attglobal-dot-net
Sitting on a small rock (St. John) in the Caribbean
John Feversham
I used an SE30 as a 24/7 paperless fax machine until its hard drive died.
That was only a couple of years ago. I replaced the HD. I had installed
OS7.1 from an external SCSI HD (impossible from floppies) and installed
FaxCilitate software which worked just fine with an external SupraFAX 14.4
modem. I eventually sold the Mac to a collector and used a Color Classic as
a FAX instead. Then I sold *that* to a collector.
I even LocalTalk networked it (using a printer lead) to my beige G3/266 so
I could retrieve the faxes and print them if necessary.
Jack
Greg Weston
<hen...@mac.com> wrote:
> I _loved_ my SE/30. Bought it in July of '89 and ran it 24/7 until
> January of '91, when I had to go on an extended out-of-town. Came back
> in April and it wouldn't start--the infamous 'stiction' (IBM 40 meg
> disk--yes, kids, 40 MEG). I used the old Indian trick of shining a
> hair-dryer on it and got it up, and quickly bought a new HD (a 105
> Quantum!! Who could possibly need so much space?!?) and managed to copy
> all of my files without loss or corruption.
In June 1988 I bought an SE with a 20M drive and used that as my only
machine - a development machine mind you - for 5 years. I remember
being dumbstruck when Word 6 came out and it wouldn't fit (alone) on my
HD. Kept using it for about 3 years after a Centris deposed it as my
primary machine. The Centris lasted another 5 years as my primary
machine, although I started moving my development over to a PowerMac a
bit earlier.
G
Paul Fuchs
Word 6 was an incredible dog on any machine available when it came out.
The original 6.0 took like two minutes to load on an 68030. I shudder
to think how it would have run on a 68000 at 8 MHz. On the other hand,
Word 5.1a ran just great on an SE or Plus.
Henry
> Word 5.1a ran just great on an SE or Plus.
Word 5.1a still runs great on a G4 (2000) DP 450, under 9.2.2
Can't see any reason to change.
cheers,
Henry
Greg Weston
Fuchs <pfu...@porkaintkosher.oink> wrote:
My wife's office is closing and they've been cleaning out their supply
closet, giving the stuff away to anyone who wants them. I now have
shrinkwrapped packages of Word 4 and - ready? - a MacRecorder. I
already have one, so you know what that means? I can finally do stereo
recording on my SE. Woo-hoo!
G
Thierry/FW40
Thierry PEPIN wrote:
Thierry,
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Sparemac (513)772 7362
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Alexjamesp
display* computer for the house, the Centris, Quadra and Duo are upstairs and
the powerbook g4 lives *with* me.
A beautiful machine.
Aj
Y A John
<thierr...@freesurf.fr> wrote:
It's not your hard disk, though that might be a problem eventually. The
restart syndrome is attributed to the motherboard filter network, the
board component that looks like a long yellow box. There are 3 of these
toward the rear of the board. The one labeled RP10 is probably the
culprit. Another symptom of the failure of this filter is a Sad Mac with
the error code 0000000F/0000000D.
You may need a new logic board. I have two of these little jewels running,
both on speaker stands on the wall and one with 68 MB of RAM. They have
ethernet cards so I can hook them to the cable modem and print to the
laser printer. They are simple, reliable machines and I hope they never
die, but with the capacitors and such on these old motherboards destined
for leakage I'm sure they eventually will. Then I'll be forced to rely on
my IIfx. :)
Jeff Walther
blac...@cam.org (Michael Black) wrote:
> My guess, if the hard drive is still good, is that the power supply
> is either flaky, or needs adjusting. I once looked at a friend's Mac Plus
> that had the five volt supply adjusted too low, and it kept rebooting
> until I set the voltage right.
This would be my guess as well. Power supply failing or adjusted to too
low a voltage (because it has aged and its output has declined over the
years).
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