Dead Intel Mini
DaveC
sound.
It had always been sitting on its side (CD slot facing the user, LED
indicator up). Could this orientation have contributed in any way to the
failure (ie blocking of critical air path)?
In other words, is there an orientation of the Mini that is not recommended?
I searched for this answer but found nothing conclusive.
Thanks,
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Steven Fisher
DaveC <m...@bogusdomain.net> wrote:
> A friend's Intel Mini (1.6 GHz) died. Blinked out. No power LED activity, no
> sound.
Oh, that's a bummer. If your friend bought AppleCare, it should still
have a couple months warranty left. AppleCare is three years, and the
earliest Intel mini was introduced in February 2006. If not, post a
follow up and I'm sure the folks here will have suggestions for
diagnosing the problem.
> It had always been sitting on its side (CD slot facing the user, LED
> indicator up). Could this orientation have contributed in any way to the
> failure (ie blocking of critical air path)?
The mini is a pretty simple piece of equipment. I wouldn't think this
would be bad for it. In fact, maybe the opposite... it would give it
more surface area that isn't insulated by the desk. I might just try
this myself.
> In other words, is there an orientation of the Mini that is not recommended?
> I searched for this answer but found nothing conclusive.
Well, I suspect the only recommended orientation is rubber down. But I
don't see why this would hurt it.
nospam
> A friend's Intel Mini (1.6 GHz) died. Blinked out. No power LED activity, no
> sound.
that could be just a failed power adapter. any possibility you can
test the power adapter with another mini? or set up an appointment
with a genius at an apple store and see what they say.
> It had always been sitting on its side (CD slot facing the user, LED
> indicator up). Could this orientation have contributed in any way to the
> failure (ie blocking of critical air path)?
doubt it.
Tim Streater
free the software <fr...@openswhw.org> wrote:
> > In article <0001HW.C565FCF7...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>,
> > DaveC <m...@bogusdomain.net> wrote:
> >
> > > A friend's Intel Mini (1.6 GHz) died. Blinked out. No power LED activity,
> > > no
> > > sound.
>
>
> Minis are subject to Apple's dirty little secret - there is too much
> hardware packed into too small of a space and it runs too hot. Most
> early and late equipment failures on Minis and Apple laptops are due to
> overheating.
Funny how my new Intel Mini is cool to the touch all over, with
barely-warm air coming out of the exhaust vent.
Both processors at 48C.
Mike Klein
nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Our techs checked mine out and the mother board was dead!
Jolly Roger
> A friend's Intel Mini (1.6 GHz) died. Blinked out. No power LED activity, no
> sound.
>
> It had always been sitting on its side (CD slot facing the user, LED
> indicator up). Could this orientation have contributed in any way to the
> failure (ie blocking of critical air path)?
>
> In other words, is there an orientation of the Mini that is not recommended?
> I searched for this answer but found nothing conclusive.
Nope. I've had the first Mac mini Apple's ever released sitting on its
side in a stuffy, warm server closet for years without a single issue
due to overheating:
<http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/closet-server.jpg>
In fact, the Mac mini cools itself rather well in these conditions.
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Jolly Roger
free the software <fr...@openswhw.org> wrote:
> > In article <0001HW.C565FCF7...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>,
> > DaveC <m...@bogusdomain.net> wrote:
> >
> > > A friend's Intel Mini (1.6 GHz) died. Blinked out. No power LED activity,
> > > no
> > > sound.
>
> Minis are subject to Apple's dirty little secret - there is too much
> hardware packed into too small of a space and it runs too hot. Most
> early and late equipment failures on Minis and Apple laptops are due to
> overheating.
You really need to get off this "Macs are too hot" kick of yours, The
NewGuy... It's getting really old.
For the rest of you:
"free the software" (a.k.a. The NewGuy) thinks all Macs have overheating
issues, but reality shows it's not the case at all. Those of us who
actually use our Macs without bothering with extra cooling know the
truth is Mac minis cool themselves just fine, operating completely
within specifications, and don't exhibit overheating problems.
To wit, I bought this Mac mini back in 2005, and it's been stuffed in a
80ºF+ degree closet 24 hours a day, seven days a week since I bought it,
running file, web, ftp, dns, network backup, and other services for my
entire network here at home, and the fans run at *normal speed* (I
haven't ever heard them ramp up to full speed - not once) and it never
exhibits problems:
<http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/closet-server.jpg>
Current uptime: 237 days (last restart was for system updates)
It seems the only hot air around here comes from "free the software"
(a.k.a. The NewGuy)...
Jolly Roger
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <49410dcb$0$90270$1472...@news.sunsite.dk>,
> free the software <fr...@openswhw.org> wrote:
>
> > Minis are subject to Apple's dirty little secret - there is too much
> > hardware packed into too small of a space and it runs too hot. Most
> > early and late equipment failures on Minis and Apple laptops are due
> > to overheating.
>
> Hmmm, it seems that The New Guy has a newer ID again.
Yup. Just adjusted my filters accordingly. He can run, but he can't
hide.
DaveC
<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1543>
I'm going to try this tomorrow. Will report results.
Thanks!
Jochem Huhmann
> Nope. I've had the first Mac mini Apple's ever released sitting on its
> side in a stuffy, warm server closet for years without a single issue
> due to overheating:
>
> <http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/closet-server.jpg>
>
> In fact, the Mac mini cools itself rather well in these conditions.
I think the Intel mini gets warmer, though.
Jochem
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longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
Jolly Roger
Jochem Huhmann <j...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> writes:
>
> > Nope. I've had the first Mac mini Apple's ever released sitting on its
> > side in a stuffy, warm server closet for years without a single issue
> > due to overheating:
> >
> > <http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/closet-server.jpg>
> >
> > In fact, the Mac mini cools itself rather well in these conditions.
>
> I think the Intel mini gets warmer, though.
Nope. I have two other Intel Mac minis, and their fans never ramp up
either.
Jochem Huhmann
>> > In fact, the Mac mini cools itself rather well in these conditions.
>>
>> I think the Intel mini gets warmer, though.
>
> Nope. I have two other Intel Mac minis, and their fans never ramp up
> either.
Hmm. I have a Mac mini PPC G4 and this thing gets quite loud if I tax
it. The good old MacBooks (with no aluminium at the outside) aren't
exactly silent then, too. Compile anything that takes more than a few
seconds and I have a nice, reliable acoustic CPU-load indicator. Even
browsing javascript-heavy sites with Firefox gets this thing quite
aroused very soon.
Since the Intel minis have a much more powerful power adaptor I'd guess
they are able to pull even more power if they have to do something
serious. And while I don't think that this is enough to overheat them,
they surely are able to generate quite a bit of warmth.
Still, I wouldn't say that Macs are in any way leaning to have
heat-related damages. They seem to be totally able to get rid of any
heat with no problems at all, even if this means to blow hard for a
while.
zara
"DaveC" <m...@bogusdomain.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C56691B8...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
> It's been suggested that it might be a SMC issue:
>
> <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1543>
>
> I'm going to try this tomorrow. Will report results.
>
> Thanks!
> --
> DaveC
Listen, that asshole Jolly Roger didn't have an issue. Therefore you
shouldn't have an issue.
Jolly Roger
Jochem Huhmann <j...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> writes:
>
> >> > In fact, the Mac mini cools itself rather well in these conditions.
> >>
> >> I think the Intel mini gets warmer, though.
> >
> > Nope. I have two other Intel Mac minis, and their fans never ramp up
> > either.
>
> Hmm. I have a Mac mini PPC G4 and this thing gets quite loud if I tax
> it. The good old MacBooks (with no aluminium at the outside) aren't
> exactly silent then, too. Compile anything that takes more than a few
> seconds and I have a nice, reliable acoustic CPU-load indicator. Even
> browsing javascript-heavy sites with Firefox gets this thing quite
> aroused very soon.
I don't do much more than compiling software every so often on mine.
Anyhow, what you describe is perfectly normal, and more importantly,
isn't an indication of overheating.
> Since the Intel minis have a much more powerful power adaptor I'd guess
> they are able to pull even more power if they have to do something
> serious. And while I don't think that this is enough to overheat them,
> they surely are able to generate quite a bit of warmth.
The heat generated by every Mac mini I have is well within
specifications.
> Still, I wouldn't say that Macs are in any way leaning to have
> heat-related damages. They seem to be totally able to get rid of any
> heat with no problems at all, even if this means to blow hard for a
> while.
Yep!
Jolly Roger
DaveC <m...@bogusdomain.net> wrote:
> It's been suggested that it might be a SMC issue:
>
> <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1543>
That would make sense.
> I'm going to try this tomorrow. Will report results.
Great!
Jolly Roger
Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> In article <m2myf29...@marvin.revier.com>,
> Jochem Huhmann <j...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> > Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> writes:
> >
> > >> > In fact, the Mac mini cools itself rather well in these conditions.
> > >>
> > >> I think the Intel mini gets warmer, though.
> > >
> > > Nope. I have two other Intel Mac minis, and their fans never ramp up
> > > either.
> >
> > Hmm. I have a Mac mini PPC G4 and this thing gets quite loud if I tax
> > it. The good old MacBooks (with no aluminium at the outside) aren't
> > exactly silent then, too. Compile anything that takes more than a few
> > seconds and I have a nice, reliable acoustic CPU-load indicator. Even
> > browsing javascript-heavy sites with Firefox gets this thing quite
> > aroused very soon.
>
> I don't do much more than compiling software every so often on mine.
One of my Intel Mac minis is a 24/7 DVR, recording television shows all
day. Its fans never ramp up; but I suspct that's because the EyeTV 250
is doing most of the work.
Priam
> "free the software" (a.k.a. The NewGuy) thinks all Macs have overheating
> issues, but reality shows it's not the case at all.
Reality shows only you have Minis that never fail.
Tim Streater
seeker <see...@theway.org> wrote:
> Including those G5
> PowerMacs that blew the green coolant fluid out of the boxes or the
> numerous complaints from G5 and Intel owners who have reported problems
> at Apple support, Mac fixit and other sites.
In article <49477007$0$90265$1472...@news.sunsite.dk>,
free the software <fr...@openswhw.org> wrote:
> If what you say is true, you are one of the lucky ones - check out the
> Apple support web pages, Mac Fixit and google for the rest of thousands
> of cases of equipment failure due to overheating and bad engineering
> design by Apple.
In article <49476b54$0$90263$1472...@news.sunsite.dk>,
seeker <see...@theway.org> wrote:
> > You are clueless, skull and bones. A clear case of Apple brainwashing
> in action. Go to the Apple support web pages, Mac Fixit - better yet,
> do a Google on Mac overheating problems and read a few of the thousands
> of pages.
In article <4947681d$0$90263$1472...@news.sunsite.dk>,
seeker <see...@theway.org> wrote:
> > What a bunch of elitists - anyone who doesn't fit your pattern of
> expected and approved behaviors, topics, questions and discussions gets
> the KF. That's why I rarely post here. There is much more reliable and
> friendly information on the Internet pages and blogs.
I look at c.s.m.s, and find two threads with 9 seeker posts and 2 from
Mr Free.
Sure, sure, you rarely post here, you're not a troll, you don't switch
identities. Just rest there quietly, OK, the guys in the white coats
will be along in a little while to take you back to your nice
comfortable room.
J.J. O'Shea
(in article <timstreater-3274...@news.individual.net>):
This particular thread contains three posts from 'free the software', four
from 'seeker', and one each from 'time' and 'light'. All of whom appear to be
the same guy. There's also one each from dizzie and Yugo, who appear to be
different guys.
>
> Sure, sure, you rarely post here, you're not a troll, you don't switch
> identities. Just rest there quietly, OK, the guys in the white coats
> will be along in a little while to take you back to your nice
> comfortable room.
It can't be soon enough.
--
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
Jolly Roger
J.J. O'Shea <try.n...@but.see.sig> wrote:
> This particular thread contains three posts from 'free the software', four
> from 'seeker', and one each from 'time' and 'light'. All of whom appear to be
> the same guy.
The NewGuy just can't sit still. I stopped counting his nyms after
around six. Yet with all that nym shifting, he can't seem to avoid my
filters for him. They catch him each and every time. Poor thing! ; )
Troubled Tony
I had a client's dual G5 PowerMac die about four months' ago
and it was wet inside. That's a known way to die?
It was about five years old, too expensive to fix, of course.
They now have a shiny new Intel Mac Pro.
Jolly Roger
Troubled Tony <nonex...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear, dear Trouble... anyone with a brain knows leaks can happen with
*any* liquid-cooled system (PCs and Macs alike):
<http://preview.tinyurl.com/6xtmfn>
The NewGuy (a.k.a. seeker) has a fascination with Macs and cooling and
wants to shed Macs in a bad light every chance he gets. Tsk tsk tsk...
Silly troll. He'd love for everyone to believe things like this never
happen in the PC world; but the fact is it happens more frequently in
the PC world than in the Mac world. It's just more public when it
happens in the Mac world, because, unlike most PC users, Mac users don't
readily accept failure of their hardware.
It's unsurprising that you join in the fray with your thinly-disguised
"oh gosh, is that a problem with Macs?" stab... err... "question" -
completely in character. By all means, keep up the good fight if it
makes you feel better about your choices in life. Meanwhile, the rest of
us see right through you.
Jolly Roger
> In article <jollyroger-4BE80...@news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't do much more than compiling software every so often on mine.
> > Anyhow, what you describe is perfectly normal, and more importantly,
> > isn't an indication of overheating.
>
> Don;t bother trying to reason with skull & bones - his mind is made up
> that no Mac has ever had a problem with overheating. Including those G5
> PowerMacs that blew the green coolant fluid out of the boxes or the
> numerous complaints from G5 and Intel owners who have reported problems
> at Apple support, Mac fixit and other sites.
I've owned over 30 Macs during my lifetime, including *four* PowerMac G5
towers, several Mac minis, a few iMacs, a slew of Power Mac G4s, a few
PowerBooks and MacBook Pros, and a bunch of other models - none of which
have ever overheated or leaked. Meanwhile, The NewGuy (a.k.a. "seeker")
has a single Mac mini. ; )
Jolly Roger
seeker <see...@theway.org> wrote:
> In article <m2myf29...@marvin.revier.com>,
> Jochem Huhmann <j...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> > Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> writes:
> >
> > >> > In fact, the Mac mini cools itself rather well in these conditions.
> > >>
> > >> I think the Intel mini gets warmer, though.
> > >
> > > Nope. I have two other Intel Mac minis, and their fans never ramp up
> > > either.
> >
> > Hmm. I have a Mac mini PPC G4 and this thing gets quite loud if I tax
> > it. The good old MacBooks (with no aluminium at the outside) aren't
> > exactly silent then, too. Compile anything that takes more than a few
> > seconds and I have a nice, reliable acoustic CPU-load indicator. Even
> > browsing javascript-heavy sites with Firefox gets this thing quite
> > aroused very soon.
> >
> > Since the Intel minis have a much more powerful power adaptor I'd guess
> > they are able to pull even more power if they have to do something
> > serious. And while I don't think that this is enough to overheat them,
> > they surely are able to generate quite a bit of warmth.
> >
> > Still, I wouldn't say that Macs are in any way leaning to have
> > heat-related damages. They seem to be totally able to get rid of any
> > heat with no problems at all, even if this means to blow hard for a
> > while.
>
> They run hotter than PCs. I have temperature monitors on both Apple and
> PC systems.
Notice how he says this *without* giving the details of the hardware in
either machine. ; ) The NewGuy thinks we won't notice things like
this...
Jolly Roger
seeker <see...@theway.org> wrote:
> In article <jollyroger-960D9...@news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <0001HW.C565FCF7...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>,
> > DaveC <m...@bogusdomain.net> wrote:
> >
> > > A friend's Intel Mini (1.6 GHz) died. Blinked out. No power LED activity,
> > > no sound.
> > >
> > > It had always been sitting on its side (CD slot facing the user, LED
> > > indicator up). Could this orientation have contributed in any way to the
> > > failure (ie blocking of critical air path)?
> > >
> > > In other words, is there an orientation of the Mini that is not
> > > recommended?
> > > I searched for this answer but found nothing conclusive.
> >
> > Nope. I've had the first Mac mini Apple's ever released sitting on its
> > side in a stuffy, warm server closet for years without a single issue
> > due to overheating:
> >
> > <http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/closet-server.jpg>
> >
> > In fact, the Mac mini cools itself rather well in these conditions.
>
> It would serve you well, unless you have unlimited funds, to put a small
> floor fan in the closet blowing directly over the box to give it a
> little extra help.
There is no cooling what-so-ever in this closet. It's balmy in there. I
also have a twenty year old Mac SE/30 sitting on the top shelf (where
it's noticebly hotter) in the same closet:
<http://zippy.blache.net:9997/images/shelf.jpg>
It's never experienced heat-related failures, and it's running strong.
: )
I owned Macs before you knew Macs existed, boy. And I've owned way more
Macs in that time than you maybe ever will (over 30, I'd say). In all
this time, not a single one has ever overheated.
Now, all of a sudden, you come along in 2008 and expect the world to
take your measly experience with your one little Mac mini over veteran
Mac users who actually have used them long enough to know they don't
overheat? How long have you been a Mac user now? Get real.
> I've never encountered anyone stupid enough to be
> proud of making his/her computer run hotter.
Right - I must be stupid. That's why my employer pays me top dollar -
for my utter stupidity. : ) And to think all this time, I've been
stupidly pushing my over 30 Macs to the limit - yet not a single one has
ever overheated. Boy - I sure am lucky, huh?
It must really eat you up to see Macs that are perfectly capable of
lasting years and years - multiple decades, even - without experiencing
these supposed heat-related failures of which you're convinced Macs
suffer.
Jolly Roger
time <tim...@eternity.org> wrote:
> In article <jollyroger-150B3...@news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <michelle-5EA7CE...@mara100-84.onlink.net>,
> > Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <49410dcb$0$90270$1472...@news.sunsite.dk>,
> > > free the software <fr...@openswhw.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Minis are subject to Apple's dirty little secret - there is too much
> > > > hardware packed into too small of a space and it runs too hot. Most
> > > > early and late equipment failures on Minis and Apple laptops are due
> > > > to overheating.
> > >
> > > Hmmm, it seems that The New Guy has a newer ID again.
> >
> > Yup. Just adjusted my filters accordingly. He can run, but he can't
> > hide.
>
> The way of the Maccie:
You used MT-NewsWatcher on a Mac to post that. That makes you a
"Maccie" in my book.
> See no evil - hear no evil - speak no evil.
> "Plonk" whenever the truth is just too hard to face.
>
> Big Brother is more likely to be Steve Jobs at Apple, not Bill Gates at
> Microsoft
The only one here not facing facts (truth) is you, The NewGuy...
Jolly Roger
free the software <fr...@openswhw.org> wrote:
> In article <michelle-5EA7CE...@mara100-84.onlink.net>,
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>
> > In article <49410dcb$0$90270$1472...@news.sunsite.dk>,
> > free the software <fr...@openswhw.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Minis are subject to Apple's dirty little secret - there is too much
> > > hardware packed into too small of a space and it runs too hot. Most
> > > early and late equipment failures on Minis and Apple laptops are due
> > > to overheating.
> >
> > Hmmm, it seems that The New Guy has a newer ID again.
>
> Oh, I left one out -
>
> How to identify a Maccie or an Apple shill -
>
> There is only one person who has ever had a problem with a Mac and they,
> of course, are lying, so they use hundreds of pseudonyms when posting to
> Mac newsgroups to spread their evil propaganda.
There are plenty of other ways we can tell it's you besides your silly
name. You're so transparent it's boring.
And even if somehow two people were using the exact same machine, etc.
to post, your opinions and writing style are so similar, I'd really
rather not read either of your posts anyway. So my filters are doing an
excellent job. : ) But feel free to keep nym shifting if it makes you
feel better.
Jolly Roger
free the software <fr...@openswhw.org> wrote:
> In article <jollyroger-CF901...@news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>
> > It seems the only hot air around here comes from "free the software"
> > (a.k.a. The NewGuy)...
>
> Oh, I get it - you are another Apple shill. You really need to get off
> your kick that if it hasn't happened to you, it can't be true.
> If what you say is true, you are one of the lucky ones
Nope. Wrong. Apple sells millions of Macs - a few here and there don't
constitute "most". Most Macs simply don't have heat problems.
> - check out the
> Apple support web pages, Mac Fixit and google for the rest of thousands
> of cases of equipment failure due to overheating and bad engineering
> design by Apple.
A simple Google search turns up thousands of cases of PC equipment
failure due to overheating and bad engineering by other PC manufacturers
(214,00, to be exact, on my first search).
You have no point.
> No, I'm not a troll - I use my PC rarely and actually prefer Apple.
> That is why I'd like to see them made to better specs that would truly
> be worth paying more for.
(trollish garbage trimmed)
Yes, you are a troll. You are hopelessly fixated on cooling, and have
deluded yourself into believing the few reports on the web of Macs
overheating mean that "most" Macs overheat. Those of us who have been
around Macs longer than you know this is clearly not the case. You are
but a blip on the radar.
J.J. O'Shea
(in article <michelle-B45ABD...@mara100-84.onlink.net>):
> In article <494770ac$0$90265$1472...@news.sunsite.dk>,
> free the software <fr...@openswhw.org> wrote:
>
>> There is only one person who has ever had a problem with a Mac and
>> they, of course, are lying, so they use hundreds of pseudonyms when
>> posting to Mac newsgroups to spread their evil propaganda.
>
> The fact is that you are using multiple pseudonyms, fuckwit.
>
>
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Interested parties may, should they desire, examine those headers and
determine for themselves the probability of said posts being made by three
different people or by one person using three nyms. In particular they might
want to look at the timestamps, the path, the X-Trace, and the NNTP Posting
Host IPs. (Hint: the Posting Host IP does not belong to sunsite.dk.)
I'm satisfied that one person made all three posts. Certainly my filter,
designed to catch one certain person, caught all three.
And, just so that this person knows... the X-No-Archive header is of limited
use. For just one example, I use Hogwasher. Hogwasher is an offline
newsreader; it downloads posts and stores 'em in a database on the user's own
Mac. This means that it is up to the _user_ how long a post lives, not anyone
else. Google may/may not keep a post beyond time 't', depending on whether or
not X-No-Archive is set, but that does not affect Hogwasher in the least.
I've got Hogwasher subscriptions to low-traffic newsgroups which contain
posts three years old. This group is fairly high-traffic, so I usually purge
posts older than 35 days... but I can, and have in the past, told the Hog to
save certain posts as text. As those posts are now plain, ordinary, text
files siting in a plain, ordinary, folder on my Mac, they will hang around
forever or until I dump them myself. I've got filed posts and archived email,
stored as plain text or as .ZIPs of folders full of plain text files, dating
back to 1994. It's not like plain text files, or .ZIPs made from plain text
files, take up a lot of space; over a dozen years worth of Eudora mail,
.ZIPed into one big .ZIP file, is only 200 MB and this Mac has a 750 GB drive
attached as the main data drive.
A certain in-duh-vidual just got himself _permanently_ archived. All it took
was to alter the filter so that it doesn't just mark the posts with colour
(pissing-with-fear-yellow, in his case) to marking it with colour _and_
saving it to a folder on the data drive. 10 seconds work.
Warren Oates
J.J. O'Shea <try.n...@but.see.sig> wrote:
> A certain in-duh-vidual just got himself _permanently_ archived. All it took
> was to alter the filter so that it doesn't just mark the posts with colour
> (pissing-with-fear-yellow, in his case) to marking it with colour _and_
> saving it to a folder on the data drive. 10 seconds work.
You can also just quote his whole post and archive it on Google that
way; there sfa he can do about it.
--
W. Oates
Steve Hix
> They run hotter than PCs. I have temperature monitors on both Apple and
> PC systems. Whenever I tax the Intel in my MacBook (superdrive in
> operation, processor-intensive tasks of any kind) the temp goes up 20-30
> degrees F. I don't notice any similar kind of temp rise in the PC. May
> have to do with the fact that there is enough room in the PC desktop for
> a large processor fan attached directly to the Intel chip and a large
> case fan.
Try comparing like for like instead.
Laptops have different constraints than desktops or blades, etc.
Troubled Tony
> Troubled Tony <nonex...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > seeker <see...@theway.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Including those G5 PowerMacs that blew the green coolant
> > > fluid out of the boxes...
> >
> > I had a client's dual G5 PowerMac die about four months' ago
> > and it was wet inside. That's a known way to die?
> >
> > It was about five years old, too expensive to fix, of course.
> >
> > They now have a shiny new Intel Mac Pro.
>
> Dear, dear Trouble... anyone with a brain knows leaks can happen with
> *any* liquid-cooled system (PCs and Macs alike):
>
> <http://preview.tinyurl.com/6xtmfn>
Ick! I'll stop reading reviews for them now.
> The NewGuy (a.k.a. seeker) has a fascination with Macs and cooling and
> wants to shed Macs in a bad light every chance he gets. Tsk tsk tsk...
> Silly troll.
Truthfully, the bunch of you chattering about him and your filters
is taking up at least the same amount of bandwidth. I guess that's
why they say it takes two: the troll and someone else. Just killfile
him, after somebody (Michelle) points out the morph. And don't tell
me who the 'NewGuy' is, countless people don't want to know. Why in
the world don't you guys make a short email group list between you
and communicate about the killfiling that way? Leave the world out
of your brew-ha-ha's.
> It's unsurprising that you join in the fray with your thinly-disguised
> "oh gosh, is that a problem with Macs?" stab... err... "question" -
> completely in character. By all means, keep up the good fight if it
> makes you feel better about your choices in life. Meanwhile, the rest of
> us see right through you.
Mr. Jolly, you really are full of yourself. I will admit to things I didn't
know: that Mac G5s are water-cooled, that 'Option' helps out with stuck
deletes in Finder, and about freeware TinkerTool.
I really do have a client (I'm a consultant, not a semiconductor employee)
whose dual G5s ended with a watery death, and we had no idea what it was.
I'll now let him know, and pass the URL that you gave me.
That you gave such a URL to back up your point makes it all the more
strange that you think I'm posting a fake stmt as part of a game.
The NewGuy's really got ya paranoid. He's making you look foolish here.
BTW, have you ever had one of your G5s lose its water? If not, why
aren't you posting that they do not have such problems? ;-) You
seem to have no problem making a no-problems-overheating stmt.
My client admitted they turned off the A/C on that hot August night.
I would have thought a Mac would shut down if there were a temp problem.
I guess not.
Now how about you, Michelle, et al, switching to email to coordinate
killfiling? Or would it not be as much fun as bragging you've spotted
an old nemesis and how brain dead he is and what a troll he is and how
you're going to killfile him yet again blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Jolly Roger
Troubled Tony <nonex...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I will admit to things I didn't
> know: that Mac G5s are water-cooled
Only some model PowerMac G5s were liquid cooled.
> I really do have a client (I'm a consultant, not a semiconductor employee)
> whose dual G5s ended with a watery death, and we had no idea what it was.
> I'll now let him know, and pass the URL that you gave me.
>
> That you gave such a URL to back up your point makes it all the more
> strange that you think I'm posting a fake stmt as part of a game.
Not really, but whatever floats your boat.
> The NewGuy's really got ya paranoid. He's making you look foolish here.
Not at all. He's the one on the run, changing his nym all the time, not
me.
> BTW, have you ever had one of your G5s lose its water?
Nope. And out of all the liquid-cooled PowerMac G5s at work, we saw just
one sprout a leak. It didn't do any damage to the electronics, though.
> If not, why
> aren't you posting that they do not have such problems? ;-)
Because, *as I said*, "anyone with a brain knows leaks can happen with
*any* liquid-cooled system (PCs and Macs alike)".
These words have very different meanings:
* none
* some
* most
Grab your dictionary.
> You
> seem to have no problem making a no-problems-overheating stmt.
You really need to work on your reading comprehension. I never said
there were no problems with overheating. Read it again - this time
concentrate on my actual words.
> My client admitted they turned off the A/C on that hot August night.
Wonder if that had something to do with it, or if it's just a
coincidence.
> I would have thought a Mac would shut down if there were a temp problem.
I haven't seen anything to indicate otherwise.
> I guess not.
You seem to be of the impression that overheating caused the leak. I
don't know how you reached that conclusion; but it's not an assumption I
would make.
> Now how about you, Michelle, et al, switching to email to coordinate
> killfiling? Or would it not be as much fun as bragging you've spotted
> an old nemesis and how brain dead he is and what a troll he is and how
> you're going to killfile him yet again blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Sorry, but you don't get to decide what others here say. That's the
beauty of Usenet - free for all.
Jolly Roger
seeker <see...@theway.org> wrote:
> In article <jollyroger-6B911...@news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > The NewGuy (a.k.a. seeker) has a fascination with Macs and cooling and
> > wants to shed Macs in a bad light every chance he gets. Tsk tsk tsk...
> > Silly troll. He'd love for everyone to believe things like this never
> > happen in the PC world; but the fact is it happens more frequently in
> > the PC world than in the Mac world.
>
> Merry Christmas, arrgh! Pirate boy, you've misjudged me. I'm not a
> troll - I prefer Macs to PCs and use Macs regularly.
If you aren't a troll, why do you change your nym so often?
> But, they aren't
> always perfect and I tend to exaggerate the problem in these newsgroups
> because there is such a readiness to attack anyone who even mentions a
> flaw of any kind in an Apple product.
I have never asserted that Macs are perfect. And I don't recall anyone
here making such an assertion either. What I have stated is that most
Macs don't suffer from overheating.
J.J. O'Shea
(in article <4948cf00$0$90270$1472...@news.sunsite.dk>):
> In article <gi988...@news7.newsguy.com>,
> J.J. O'Shea <try.n...@but.see.sig> wrote:
>
> an enormous analysis of postings that proves that he must be idle rich
> or have a lot of time on his hands to waste -
Nah. Took less than 30 seconds.
>
> you people are paranoid and ruining the country at the same time with
> your witch hunts
All I did was set a filter several days ago. _You_ were the one who used
multiple nyms and then denied it even though it was obvious to everyone else
what you were doing. If anyone's paranoid, it's not those who've used the
same posting ID for literal years, and who have posted multiple times info on
where they live. (Hint: that would be _me_.)
On the other hand, I can see where a brain-dead bigot might reasonably fear
the consequences of his true identity being discovered. (That would be _you_,
oh bigoted one.)
Troubled Tony
Mac water cooler failures, and my client did have the DP
2.5 Ghz models. And yet you responded as if I was making
it up to play a game.
Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> TT wrote:
>
> > Now how about you, Michelle, et al, switching to email to coordinate
> > killfiling? Or would it not be as much fun as bragging you've spotted
> > an old nemesis and how brain dead he is and what a troll he is and how
> > you're going to killfile him yet again blah blah blah blah blah blah.
>
> Sorry, but you don't get to decide what others here say. That's the
> beauty of Usenet - free for all.
I asked you a question, don't be so defensive, Mr. Jolly.
You missed the point. You are constantly posting off-topic, constantly
chattering about which nym is also some other nym, about who has updated
their killfiles, about what an idiot someone is, etc.
You are as bad as the troll at filling this group with nonsense.
If you don't like having the troll in the group, turn around and
look at yourself too. It takes you constantly replying to the troll
to keep him fired up, like blowing wind on an ember.
How about being a grown up and knocking it off?
Else admit you are easily trolled - that makes you his plaything.
It has nothing to do with nym shifting, it has do to with you
constantly replying. You are a trollee.
Warren Oates
Troubled Tony <nonex...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I really do have a client (I'm a consultant, not a semiconductor employee)
> whose dual G5s ended with a watery death, and we had no idea what it was.
> I'll now let him know, and pass the URL that you gave me.
I'm a consultant too. The oul' Woman consults with me all the time about
what's broken and what needs cleaning and how much I had to drink the
night before. But unlike you and your client, the oul' Woman and I both
know how to research a problem instead of indulging in all this
after-the-fact pseudo-humble hyphen-weary breast-pounding
disingenuityousness.
> Now how about you, Michelle, et al, switching to email to coordinate
> killfiling? Or would it not be as much fun as bragging you've spotted
> an old nemesis and how brain dead he is and what a troll he is and how
> you're going to killfile him yet again blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Y'all can fuck off now.
--
W. Oates
Jolly Roger
Troubled Tony <nonex...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mr. Jolly, thanks for specifically confirming you knew of
> Mac water cooler failures, and my client did have the DP
> 2.5 Ghz models. And yet you responded as if I was making
> it up to play a game.
>
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> > TT wrote:
> >
> > > Now how about you, Michelle, et al, switching to email to coordinate
> > > killfiling? Or would it not be as much fun as bragging you've spotted
> > > an old nemesis and how brain dead he is and what a troll he is and how
> > > you're going to killfile him yet again blah blah blah blah blah blah.
> >
> > Sorry, but you don't get to decide what others here say. That's the
> > beauty of Usenet - free for all.
>
> I asked you a question, don't be so defensive, Mr. Jolly.
>
> You missed the point. You are constantly posting off-topic, constantly
> chattering about which nym is also some other nym, about who has updated
> their killfiles, about what an idiot someone is, etc.
Notice that I never *start* such conversations.
> You are as bad as the troll at filling this group with nonsense.
That's a flat-out lie.
> If you don't like having the troll in the group, turn around and
> look at yourself too. It takes you constantly replying to the troll
> to keep him fired up, like blowing wind on an ember.
>
> How about being a grown up and knocking it off?
>
> Else admit you are easily trolled - that makes you his plaything.
> It has nothing to do with nym shifting, it has do to with you
> constantly replying. You are a trollee.
Said the troll.
Jolly Roger
seeker <see...@theway.org> wrote:
> In article <36-dnUbLBpYU8dXU...@giganews.com>,
> Troubled Tony <nonex...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> a truly great post - please read the original - sorry that I snipped it
> but just wanted to congratulate you on pegging the hypocrisy and
> pettiness of the Mac newsgroups. There is a small group of core posters
> who consider themselves experts and they blow away anyone who even
> remotely disagrees with them or who can find a flaw with an Apple
> product.
> They use all sorts of abusive language but seek to identify personal
> information about the supposed trolls so they can blacklist them, kill
> file them or turn them in to Big Brother. And then there are those who
> just argue endlessly with each other. It even appears that there is at
> least one who argues with him/her self using two different nyms and when
> you have kill filed both of them you find that you have a greatly
> shortened list of posts. But, I will reveal that that scenario is found
> at CSMA where loonie tunes is the name of the game.
>
> Best to leave, before getting caught up in the fray or IDed. These are
> some scary people - imagine a world where you are forced to
> agree/acquiesce/concur/conform or be an outcast subject to punishment -
> these are the kind of people hoping to make that kind of world a reality.
> aDios with all haste.
Yes best that you leave immediately. Will you? Doubt it.
DaveC
OK, I'll bite. What is the purpose of the video-cam-on-the-SE/30 setup?
--
DaveC
m...@bogusdomain.net
This is an invalid return address
Please reply in the news group
Jolly Roger
DaveC <m...@bogusdomain.net> wrote:
> > <http://zippy.blache.net:9997/images/shelf.jpg>
>
> OK, I'll bite. What is the purpose of the video-cam-on-the-SE/30 setup?
You mean beyond this?:
<http://zippy.blache.net:9997>
DaveC
OK, so you're serving web pages with MacHTTP on an SE/30, and OS 8 (9?) has
no built-in remote "show me show you" capability. Hence the web cam.
Wouldn't serving pages from one of your Mini's (serving double -- or more --
duty) be quicker?
But pretty "retro-cool"...
Jolly Roger
DaveC <m...@bogusdomain.net> wrote:
> > <http://zippy.kicks-ass.org:9997>
>
> OK, so you're serving web pages with MacHTTP on an SE/30, and OS 8 (9?)
Mac OS 7.5.5
> has
> no built-in remote "show me show you" capability. Hence the web cam.
Yep.
> Wouldn't serving pages from one of your Mini's (serving double -- or more --
> duty) be quicker?
Sure, but it wouldn't be nearly as much fun. : )
> But pretty "retro-cool"...
Thanks.
jdear64
> In article <0001HW.C56EAE1000C6A78DB01AD...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>,
>
> DaveC <m...@bogusdomain.net> wrote:
> > > <http://zippy.blache.net:9997/images/shelf.jpg>
>
> > OK, I'll bite. What is the purpose of the video-cam-on-the-SE/30 setup?
>
> You mean beyond this?:
>
> <http://zippy.blache.net:9997>
>
"Zippy has 80 megabytes of RAM installed"?!?