Need Help Networking MacIIsi
Matt Williamson
I need to connect a mac IIsi to the internet via DSL modem (and 10Base T
NIC), I believe it is running a release of system 7. I am quite unfamiliar
with these older macs so any help would be appreciated. Also I will be
installing a flavor of BSD on one of these Macs, any help on this subject
would also be handy.
Thanks,
Matt
Ron Parsons
"Matt Williamson" <gry...@telus.net> wrote:
There are PDS Ethernet cards for the IIsi. Once you have that, it's
fairly simple with MacOS 7.6.
Despite the documentation, you can add 4 16meg memory cards as well.
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Me
"Matt Williamson" <gry...@telus.net> wrote:
Your going to have to look around for a BSD Kernal that will run on a
68030 processor. MacOS 7.5.5 will run a very old Netscape Communicator.
me
Howard Shubs
Me <M...@shadow.orgs> wrote:
> Your going to have to look around for a BSD Kernal that will run on a
> 68030 processor. MacOS 7.5.5 will run a very old Netscape Communicator.
IP runs on System 7. The main problem is going to be getting an
ethernet NuBus card, and the expansion to plug it into, if the machine
doesn't already have it.
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Bruce in Alaska
Howard Shubs <how...@shubs.net> wrote:
> IP runs on System 7. The main problem is going to be getting an
> ethernet NuBus card, and the expansion to plug it into, if the machine
> doesn't already have it.
>
> --
> Your prison is walking through this world all alone.
IIsi"s don't use NuBus cards, They have a SE/30-IIsi Expansion Connector
which isn't even close to NuBus. The guy stated that he was going to
try and run BSD for an Operating System, and my comment was that finding
a BSD Kernal that was compiled for a 68030, would take a bit of looking.
I have a pile of SE/30-IIsi Expansion cards left over from the SE/30's
that we used around here 5 years ago, and even some ethernet adapters
for those expansion cards, as we used IIsi's as File Servers.
Bruce in alaska
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Matt Williamson
previously installed. I also have a BSD Kernel which will run on the 68030.
The problem that I am having is with my unfamiliarity with the procedure to
set the network settings.
Thanks for the help,
Matt
"Howard Shubs" <how...@shubs.net> wrote in message
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Charles Dyer
(in article <bruceg-ED91AA....@netnews.worldnet.att.net>):
> In article <howard-9AC981....@news.newsguy.com>,
> Howard Shubs <how...@shubs.net> wrote:
>
>> IP runs on System 7. The main problem is going to be getting an
>> ethernet NuBus card, and the expansion to plug it into, if the machine
>> doesn't already have it.
>>
>> --
>> Your prison is walking through this world all alone.
>
> IIsi"s don't use NuBus cards,
Ah, yes they do, if they have the adapter. I had a IIsi which had an adapter
and a NuBus video card. A quick Google found this:
<http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_ii/stats/mac_iisi.html> and this:
<http://www.welovemacs.com/pds-nb-2si.html> so the cards are apparently still
available for sale.
> They have a SE/30-IIsi Expansion Connector
> which isn't even close to NuBus.
SE/30s didn't have the internal space necessary to use the adapter, which was
designed with a right-angle turn to fit in a IIsi case.
> The guy stated that he was going to
> try and run BSD for an Operating System, and my comment was that finding
> a BSD Kernal that was compiled for a 68030, would take a bit of looking.
> I have a pile of SE/30-IIsi Expansion cards left over from the SE/30's
> that we used around here 5 years ago, and even some ethernet adapters
> for those expansion cards, as we used IIsi's as File Servers.
>
> Bruce in alaska
>
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Howard Shubs
"Matt Williamson" <gry...@telus.net> wrote:
> I have a NuBus NIC installed in the machine already, and Netscape has been
> previously installed. I also have a BSD Kernel which will run on the 68030.
> The problem that I am having is with my unfamiliarity with the procedure to
> set the network settings.
So you need help with BSD Unix ala MacBSD? You may be in the wrong
newsgroup, no? :-D
If you're looking for help with that machine running System 7, we should
be able to help you. I seem to remember a Control Panel with "IP" in
the name, but it's been a while.
Bruce in Alaska
"Matt Williamson" <gry...@telus.net> wrote:
You should be able to run MacOs 7.5.5, which has Open Transport enabled.
All the IP settings are in TCP/IP Control Panel, just like MacOs 8, & 9.
If you choose to not use Open Transport, then you configure IP, as I
remeber it, in the MacIP Control Panel, but that IP Stack had MANY bugs
and problems. You would be much wiser to use the Open transport 1.1
Ip Stack.
Matt Williamson
played around with the settings in the "MacTCP" and "Network" Control
Panels. In the network control panel I have the choice of Ethertalk or
Local Talk Built in, I have assumed that I should use Ethertalk but have
tried LocalTalk when I didn't get it to work. In the MacTCP control panel I
have the options of LocalTalk, PPP, and Ethernet. When I select ethernet
and click the more button it gives me the options to change my various
network settings. I have set it to obtain address dynamically with a node
range form 1 to 8190 (valuse where automatically generated), I have set the
Gateway address and Domain name server info, however under the IP window
there are a couple of things that I am not familiar with. For example what
class of IP I should use, a,b, or c. Also it asks for a value for Net,
Subnet, and Node for which I am unfamiliar, it also asks for a subnet mask
which I have set. I am currently trying a class A address with the values
of Net,subnet, and node set to 0.
Does this sound like I'm doing what needs to be done correctly and maybe
have a hardware problem?
Thanks,
Matt
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Howard Shubs
Charles Dyer <char...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> Ah, yes they do, if they have the adapter. I had a IIsi which had an adapter
> and a NuBus video card. A quick Google found this:
> <http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_ii/stats/mac_iisi.html> and this:
> <http://www.welovemacs.com/pds-nb-2si.html> so the cards are apparently still
> available for sale.
> SE/30s didn't have the internal space necessary to use the adapter, which was
> designed with a right-angle turn to fit in a IIsi case.
Correct. It does help if you've got an example of a IIsi right there,
as I do. And I *bought* the adapter for it, too. Mr. Bruce should
check his facts.
Matt Williamson
> All the IP settings are in TCP/IP Control Panel, just like MacOs 8, & 9.
> If you choose to not use Open Transport, then you configure IP, as I
> remeber it, in the MacIP Control Panel, but that IP Stack had MANY bugs
> and problems. You would be much wiser to use the Open transport 1.1
> Ip Stack.
>
> Bruce in alaska
> --
> add a <2> before @
Is there not a difference between MacOS 7.5.5 and System 7?
Matt
Howard Shubs
Bruce in Alaska <bru...@btpost.net> wrote:
> You should be able to run MacOs 7.5.5, which has Open Transport enabled.
> All the IP settings are in TCP/IP Control Panel, just like MacOs 8, & 9.
> If you choose to not use Open Transport, then you configure IP, as I
> remeber it, in the MacIP Control Panel, but that IP Stack had MANY bugs
> and problems. You would be much wiser to use the Open transport 1.1
> Ip Stack.
What version did that come with?
Howard Shubs
"Matt Williamson" <gry...@telus.net> wrote:
> Is there not a difference between MacOS 7.5.5 and System 7?
Yes. The marketing people have gotten to "MacOS 7.5.5". The rest of us
called it System 7.5.5. :-)
Bruce in Alaska
Howard Shubs <how...@shubs.net> wrote:
Yes Howard, Open Transport came along in MacOs 7.5 and was patched a few
times along the way to MacOs 7.5.5 OT 1.0 quickly becaume 1.1, and
then 1.2 by 7.5.5. He should be using a Class C Network in MacTCP and
using the Standard 192.168.1.x IP With Subnbet Mask of 255.255.255.0.
Again, MacTCP was very flawed, in DCHP and DNS Error Recovery, and
Apple recommended that everyone switch to Open Transport as it
was a complete IP Stack Implimentation.
Bruce in alaska who has SE/30's with Ethernet and Video Cards
running on the expansion slot........
Bruce in Alaska
"Matt Williamson" <gry...@telus.net> wrote:
MacOs 7.5.5 is the last version of Of MacOs 7.5.x.
With MacOs 7.6, Apple obsolessed all the 68030
processors, and with MacOs 8.1 all the 68040
processors. MacOs 7.5.x will allow you to run the Open
Transport I/O GUI's, on a 68030 machine with 8or without
the 68882 Math coProcessor installed. The 6882 was on the
adapter card, and required an INIT to function.
Doug Brown
> processors, and with MacOs 8.1 all the 68040
> processors.
I'm not sure exactly how you're wording it, but 7.6 is supported on most
68030 models (just not the ones that weren't 32-bit clean - SE/30, IIx,
and IIcx), and 8.1 is supported on most (all?) 68040 models.
Doug
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Howard Shubs
Doug Brown <ma...@pleasenospam.mac.com.invalid> wrote:
> I'm not sure exactly how you're wording it, but 7.6 is supported on most
> 68030 models (just not the ones that weren't 32-bit clean - SE/30, IIx,
> and IIcx), and 8.1 is supported on most (all?) 68040 models.
He meant that inclusively. Those were the last versions for those
machines.
David C. Stone
Shubs <how...@shubs.net> wrote:
> In article <macg3-D0A8EF....@news.verizon.net>,
> Doug Brown <ma...@pleasenospam.mac.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure exactly how you're wording it, but 7.6 is supported on most
> > 68030 models (just not the ones that weren't 32-bit clean - SE/30, IIx,
> > and IIcx), and 8.1 is supported on most (all?) 68040 models.
>
> He meant that inclusively. Those were the last versions for those
> machines.
For additional reference,
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25114
Seems there should be an equivalent document for OS 7.x, no?
Matt Williamson
Matt
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