106 Gig drive only shows up as 128 Gigs?
Paul Soderman
greater than a certain amount of size show up in its entirety on a Mac G4.
I'm running 10.3.1 with a Sawtooth 350 unit. I picked up a Western Digital
160 drive (ATA 100) on sale for use as a second backup. I use an external
firewire enclosure. Whatever the chip set is, it is one of the older ones
(I've had no problems with running 120 Gig drives and smaller). The firewire
is 400, not the newer 800 stuff.
FWIW, I even put the drive in the G4 itself, replacing the second ATA drive
I had in it, in order to initialize it, but the drive still shows up as only
128 Gigs. I don't understand why this would be, if the external chip set was
the reason for the size not being properly recognized.
If I pick up a newer external enclosure, would the different chip set be
sufficient to have the drive show up its full (or close to) 160 Gigs? I've
done some Usenet research on Google but still am not sure of an answer. I
also saw that OS 10 had some problems with overwriting firewire drives, but
right now this doesn't concern me as much as getting the drive to show up in
its full size!
Thanks for any help!
_____________________
Regards, Paul Soderman
I'm also on AOL as Kidpocono
Charles Dyer
(in article <BC7FE709.CD7B%Kidp...@comcast.net>):
> I know that there's some type of issue about having an ATA/IDE drive of
> greater than a certain amount of size show up in its entirety on a Mac G4.
it's not just Macs. it's any machine which has the older ATA chipset.
> I'm running 10.3.1 with a Sawtooth 350 unit. I picked up a Western Digital
> 160 drive (ATA 100) on sale for use as a second backup. I use an external
> firewire enclosure. Whatever the chip set is, it is one of the older ones
> (I've had no problems with running 120 Gig drives and smaller). The firewire
> is 400, not the newer 800 stuff.
>
> FWIW, I even put the drive in the G4 itself, replacing the second ATA drive
> I had in it, in order to initialize it, but the drive still shows up as only
> 128 Gigs. I don't understand why this would be, if the external chip set was
> the reason for the size not being properly recognized.
The Firewire case has the older chipset. The Mac also has the older chipset.
>
> If I pick up a newer external enclosure, would the different chip set be
> sufficient to have the drive show up its full (or close to) 160 Gigs?
Depends. Most of the newer ones will have the newer ATA set. Check what they
say on the box.
You could also get an ATA/133 card. That _will_ have the new chipset.
> I've
> done some Usenet research on Google but still am not sure of an answer. I
> also saw that OS 10 had some problems with overwriting firewire drives, but
> right now this doesn't concern me as much as getting the drive to show up in
> its full size!
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
> _____________________
> Regards, Paul Soderman
>
> I'm also on AOL as Kidpocono
>
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Paul Soderman
Dyer at char...@newsguy.com wrote on 3/19/04 6:53 am:
> You could also get an ATA/133 card. That _will_ have the new chipset.
Charles:
Thanks much for the reply!
I take it that the ATA/133 card is a PCI card for the Mac itself; if so, how
would I go about using the drive (in the event I choose to keep it)? Would
it have to be plugged in somehow to the internal card or is there a way to
hook up the external drive to the card via Firewire?
Thanks again, Paul
Kirk Strauser
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At 2004-03-19T04:53:45Z, Paul Soderman <Kidp...@comcast.net> writes:
> FWIW, I even put the drive in the G4 itself, replacing the second ATA
> drive I had in it, in order to initialize it, but the drive still shows up
> as only 128 Gigs.
Before you go too much farther, *where* are you seeing that it's only 128GB?
I ask because a 160 "GB" drive is really only about 149GB. Multiply that by
.9 to account for the 10% that the filesystem reserves and you're down to
about 134GB true available capacity. That's getting pretty close to the
128GB number you mentioned. Now, there *is* a 128GB limit in the ATA-5
specification, but you may want to dig a bit more before spending more money
to fix what may not actually be your problem.
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Gregory Weston
Paul Soderman <Kidp...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I know that there's some type of issue about having an ATA/IDE drive of
> greater than a certain amount of size show up in its entirety on a Mac G4.
> I'm running 10.3.1 with a Sawtooth 350 unit. I picked up a Western Digital
> 160 drive (ATA 100) on sale for use as a second backup. I use an external
> firewire enclosure. Whatever the chip set is, it is one of the older ones
> (I've had no problems with running 120 Gig drives and smaller). The firewire
> is 400, not the newer 800 stuff.
>
> FWIW, I even put the drive in the G4 itself, replacing the second ATA drive
> I had in it, in order to initialize it, but the drive still shows up as only
> 128 Gigs. I don't understand why this would be, if the external chip set was
> the reason for the size not being properly recognized.
It's not that the external chipset was _the_reason_. It's that certainly
the Sawtooth and apparently the case do not have ATA-6 controllers and
cannot access anything beyond 128MB.
A newer enclosure would almost certainly address this, and most of the
ones I've seen lately specifically mention that they support large
drives. Alternatively, you could get a PCI ATA card with a newer chipset
on it if you don't want to go external.
> I also saw that OS 10 had some problems with overwriting firewire drives,
10.3.0 had a confirmed problem with certain revisions of an Oxford
chipset. You can do a lot of research and still not come out with
exactly how to apportion blame, but both Apple and Oxford made changes
to correct the issue.
G
Charles Dyer
(in article <BC80A60C.CEE3%Kidp...@comcast.net>):
> in article 0001HW.BC804965...@news-60.giganews.com, Charles
> Dyer at char...@newsguy.com wrote on 3/19/04 6:53 am:
> You could also get an ATA/133 card. That _will_ have the new chipset.
> Charles:
> Thanks much for the reply!
> I take it that the ATA/133 card is a PCI card for the Mac itself;
yes
> if so, how
> would I go about using the drive (in the event I choose to keep it)? Would
> it have to be plugged in somehow to the internal card or is there a way to
> hook up the external drive to the card via Firewire?
You plug the card into one of the PCI slots and attach the drive to the card.
Then you reformat the drive.
If you have a newer FireWire box, you put the drive in the box and reformat.
> Thanks again, Paul
Slartibartfast
Kirk Strauser <ki...@strauser.com> wrote:
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> At 2004-03-19T04:53:45Z, Paul Soderman <Kidp...@comcast.net> writes:
>
> > FWIW, I even put the drive in the G4 itself, replacing the second ATA
> > drive I had in it, in order to initialize it, but the drive still shows up
> > as only 128 Gigs.
>
> Before you go too much farther, *where* are you seeing that it's only 128GB?
> I ask because a 160 "GB" drive is really only about 149GB. Multiply that by
> .9 to account for the 10% that the filesystem reserves and you're down to
> about 134GB true available capacity. That's getting pretty close to the
> 128GB number you mentioned. Now, there *is* a 128GB limit in the ATA-5
> specification, but you may want to dig a bit more before spending more money
> to fix what may not actually be your problem.
Actually, a 160GB drive shows up as 152.7GB, and a 200GB drive shows up
as a 189.5GB on my g4 Sawtooth WITH a compatable (AT-6) card installed.
I just did this 2 days ago and that is the useable partition size of
each drive when formatted
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Slartibartfast
Charles Dyer <char...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:53:45 -0500, Paul Soderman wrote
> (in article <BC7FE709.CD7B%Kidp...@comcast.net>):
>
> > I know that there's some type of issue about having an ATA/IDE drive of
> > greater than a certain amount of size show up in its entirety on a Mac G4.
>
> it's not just Macs. it's any machine which has the older ATA chipset.
Yep, this includes WinXP prior to SP1 and MacOS X.3
>
> > I'm running 10.3.1 with a Sawtooth 350 unit. I picked up a Western Digital
> > 160 drive (ATA 100) on sale for use as a second backup. I use an external
> > firewire enclosure. Whatever the chip set is, it is one of the older ones
> > (I've had no problems with running 120 Gig drives and smaller). The firewire
> > is 400, not the newer 800 stuff.
> >
> > FWIW, I even put the drive in the G4 itself, replacing the second ATA drive
> > I had in it, in order to initialize it, but the drive still shows up as only
> > 128 Gigs. I don't understand why this would be, if the external chip set was
> > the reason for the size not being properly recognized.
>
> The Firewire case has the older chipset. The Mac also has the older chipset.
>
> >
> > If I pick up a newer external enclosure, would the different chip set be
> > sufficient to have the drive show up its full (or close to) 160 Gigs?
>
> Depends. Most of the newer ones will have the newer ATA set. Check what they
> say on the box.
>
> You could also get an ATA/133 card. That _will_ have the new chipset.
A new Sonnet card is about $100.
>
> > I've
> > done some Usenet research on Google but still am not sure of an answer. I
> > also saw that OS 10 had some problems with overwriting firewire drives, but
> > right now this doesn't concern me as much as getting the drive to show up in
> > its full size!
> >
> > Thanks for any help!
> >
> > _____________________
> > Regards, Paul Soderman
> >
> > I'm also on AOL as Kidpocono
> >
--
Slartibartfast
Paul Soderman <Kidp...@comcast.net> wrote:
My G4 Sawtooth had 4 open power plugs inside, so I stuck 4 more drives
in (for a total of 5)! I now have an 80GB (OSX boot), 2 X 40GB and
160GB and 200GB drives that I turned into a RAID array for my Music
collection. The RAID is limited by the 160GB drive (152.7GB actual) so
I am wasting about 35GB on the 200GB right now (unformatted /partitioned
space). Going internal is your best bet, unless you lack power plugs
internally.
As far as the firewire goes, You's have to get an external Firwire case
and slap an ATA drive in there. You wouldn't be able to use the
internal ATA card for that.
Anders Eklöf
> In article <0001HW.BC804965...@news-60.giganews.com>,
> Charles Dyer <char...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:53:45 -0500, Paul Soderman wrote
> > (in article <BC7FE709.CD7B%Kidp...@comcast.net>):
> >
> > > I know that there's some type of issue about having an ATA/IDE drive of
> > > greater than a certain amount of size show up in its entirety on a Mac G4.
> >
> > it's not just Macs. it's any machine which has the older ATA chipset.
>
> Yep, this includes WinXP prior to SP1 and MacOS X.3
Hey man - the issue is about hardware, not software.
Slartibartfast
andekl_no@saaf_spam.se (Anders Eklöf) wrote:
No, actually you can have an oldet ATA card that doesn't support large
drives, and XP SP1 takes care of the issue. Even the intructions that
came with my 160GB and 200GB drives tell you this. Aparently MS did
something with XP SP1 to take care of this issue.