Mac games don't compare to PC Games
Matt Peterson
Jay Lloyd Neal <jay...@vt.edu> writes:
> Trix Rabbit <c...@efn.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > It doesn't matter in my opinion, in the end Apple/Macintosh will be ahead
> > of IBM easily. With the option of Dos and finder, and the way they are
> > producing a new PPC about every month I think it easy to choose a Mac
> > over an IBM. Now on the other hand IBM has more support. Well we'll see
> > in the end won't we. :)
>
> Hmm... You mean Micro$loth machines, don't you?
> International Business Machines produces the microchannel and PREP
> personal computers, and ship with OS/2.
>
> In 1996, I believe IBM and Apple are going to be producing
> Taligent machines "together". Identical machine, different OS.
>
> Basically, IBM personal computers don't ship with Sound blaster, so they really
> aren't that great for games.
>
> So, all you Macintosh gamers out there who don't read MacWeek, here is the
> new "official" Mac game vs. "PC" game lexicon:
>
> PC - personal computer, such as a Macintosh, PowerMac, IBM, or Gateway.
>
> Clone - comes in several varieties.
> Mac OS licensed clone: example Radius Video Tower
> Mac OS Taligent compliant: coming soon from IBM
Huh? I think you mean Chrp/Puma (Common Hardware Reference Platform --
renamed Puma). Prep is dead.
> Intel-like clone: uses non Intel, reverse engineered 386/486
> Intel inside clone: Pentium, 386/486 etc..
> Micro$loth clone: runs MSDOS, and DOS games
> IBM clone: an old XT copy, or uses a Microchannel bus, or IBM licensed
> hardware.
> Mac OS capable clone: ships with another OS, can run Mac OS
>
> Macintosh - only produced by Apple
> PowerMac - only produced by Apple
>
> PowerPC - IBM hardware licensed by Apple
No, a family of chips designed in joint collaboration by Motorola, IBM,
and Apple. Currently produced by Motorla and IBM.
Matt Peterson - University of Kansas, Experimental Psychology
Jay Lloyd Neal
>
>
> It doesn't matter in my opinion, in the end Apple/Macintosh will be ahead
> of IBM easily. With the option of Dos and finder, and the way they are
> producing a new PPC about every month I think it easy to choose a Mac
> over an IBM. Now on the other hand IBM has more support. Well we'll see
> in the end won't we. :)
Hmm... You mean Micro$loth machines, don't you?
International Business Machines produces the microchannel and PREP
personal computers, and ship with OS/2.
In 1996, I believe IBM and Apple are going to be producing
Taligent machines "together". Identical machine, different OS.
Basically, IBM personal computers don't ship with Sound blaster, so they really
aren't that great for games.
So, all you Macintosh gamers out there who don't read MacWeek, here is the
new "official" Mac game vs. "PC" game lexicon:
PC - personal computer, such as a Macintosh, PowerMac, IBM, or Gateway.
Clone - comes in several varieties.
Mac OS licensed clone: example Radius Video Tower
Mac OS Taligent compliant: coming soon from IBM
Edwin Gore
: Hmm... You mean Micro$loth machines, don't you?
: International Business Machines produces the microchannel and PREP
: personal computers, and ship with OS/2.
: In 1996, I believe IBM and Apple are going to be producing
: Taligent machines "together". Identical machine, different OS.
: Basically, IBM personal computers don't ship with Sound blaster, so they really
: aren't that great for games.
You're high. 90% of IBM's own machines ship with Windows, and they are mostly
PCI and ISA/VLB based. Almost none of their machines are entirely microchannel
anymore, and no new designs will be.
In addition, IBMs MWave sound hardware that ships on 60% of their machines is
better than a sound blaster, and in someways better than a Mac's sound, since
the sound processing is offloaded from the CPU.
The ThinkPad 755cd I just got is basically the equivelent of a 840av in a
laptop computer, with video digitizing, telephony (that is actually supported
by applications...) and 16-bit sound.
When I want to do work I'll pick a Mac everytime, but for game hardware I'll
take PCs for now...
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Jay Lloyd Neal
>> You're high...
=>
=> Jay Lloyd Neal (jay...@vt.edu) wrote:
=>
=> : Hmm... You mean Micro$loth machines, don't you?
=> : International Business Machines produces the microchannel and PREP
=> : personal computers, and ship with OS/2.
=>
=> : In 1996, I believe IBM and Apple are going to be producing
=> : Taligent machines "together". Identical machine, different OS.
=>
Jay:
=Hmm... You mean Micro$loth machines, don't you?
=International Business Machines produces the microchannel and PREP
=personal computers, and ship with OS/2.
=In 1996, I believe IBM and Apple are going to be producing
=Taligent machines "together". Identical machine, different OS.
=Basically, IBM personal computers don't ship with Sound blaster, so they really
=aren't that great for games.
!!! Okay. I'll retract this last statement. Just keep in mind that an IBM personal
computer is probably a higher class of product than most Micro$loth "clones"...
= So, all you Macintosh gamers out there who don't read MacWeek, here is the
= new "official" Mac game vs. "PC" game lexicon:
=
= PC - personal computer, such as a Macintosh, PowerMac, IBM, or Gateway.
=
= Clone - comes in several varieties.
= Mac OS licensed clone: example Radius Video Tower
= Mac OS Taligent compliant: coming soon from IBM
= Intel-like clone: uses non Intel, reverse engineered 386/486
= Intel inside clone: Pentium, 386/486 etc..
= Micro$loth clone: runs MSDOS, and DOS games
= IBM clone: an old XT copy, or uses a Microchannel bus, or IBM licensed
= hardware.
= Mac OS capable clone: ships with another OS, can run Mac OS
=
= Macintosh - only produced by Apple
= PowerMac - only produced by Apple
=
= PowerPC - IBM hardware licensed by Apple
Edgore:
> In addition, IBMs MWave sound hardware that ships on 60% of their machines is
> better than a sound blaster, and in someways better than a Mac's sound, since
> the sound processing is offloaded from the CPU.
>
> The ThinkPad 755cd I just got is basically the equivelent of a 840av in a
> laptop computer, with video digitizing, telephony (that is actually supported
> by applications...) and 16-bit sound.
>
> When I want to do work I'll pick a Mac everytime, but for game hardware I'll
> take PCs for now...
Don't get me wrong, Edgore. I think IBM's hardware is the Apple in the eye of the
Micro$loth world. But whether I'm high or not, Apple and IBM will be producing
personal computers to the same specs in 1996.
cheers, Jay
http://soilmicro-lab.biol.vt.edu/JLN.HTML
Jay Lloyd Neal
>> You're high...
=>
=> Jay Lloyd Neal (jay...@vt.edu) wrote:
=>
=> : Hmm... You mean Micro$loth machines, don't you?
=> : International Business Machines produces the microchannel and PREP
=> : personal computers, and ship with OS/2.
=>
=> : In 1996, I believe IBM and Apple are going to be producing
=> : Taligent machines "together". Identical machine, different OS.
=>
Jay:
=Hmm... You mean Micro$loth machines, don't you?
=International Business Machines produces the microchannel and PREP
=personal computers, and ship with OS/2.
=In 1996, I believe IBM and Apple are going to be producing
=Taligent machines "together". Identical machine, different OS.
=Basically, IBM personal computers don't ship with Sound blaster, so they really
=aren't that great for games.
!!! Okay. I'll retract this last statement. Just keep in mind that an IBM personal
computer is probably a higher class of product than most Micro$loth "clones"...
= So, all you Macintosh gamers out there who don't read MacWeek, here is the
= new "official" Mac game vs. "PC" game lexicon:
=
= PC - personal computer, such as a Macintosh, PowerMac, IBM, or Gateway.
=
= Clone - comes in several varieties.
= Mac OS licensed clone: example Radius Video Tower
= Mac OS Taligent compliant: coming soon from IBM
= Intel-like clone: uses non Intel, reverse engineered 386/486
= Intel inside clone: Pentium, 386/486 etc..
= Micro$loth clone: runs MSDOS, and DOS games
= IBM clone: an old XT copy, or uses a Microchannel bus, or IBM licensed
= hardware.
= Mac OS capable clone: ships with another OS, can run Mac OS
=
= Macintosh - only produced by Apple
= PowerMac - only produced by Apple
=
= PowerPC - IBM hardware licensed by Apple
Edgore:
> In addition, IBMs MWave sound hardware that ships on 60% of their machines is
> better than a sound blaster, and in someways better than a Mac's sound, since
> the sound processing is offloaded from the CPU.
>
> The ThinkPad 755cd I just got is basically the equivelent of a 840av in a
> laptop computer, with video digitizing, telephony (that is actually supported
> by applications...) and 16-bit sound.
>
> When I want to do work I'll pick a Mac everytime, but for game hardware I'll
> take PCs for now...
Damir Smitlener
mat...@stat1.cc.ukans.edu (Matt Peterson) wrote:
> In article <3kvdfm$l...@solaris.cc.vt.edu>
> Jay Lloyd Neal <jay...@vt.edu> writes:
>
> > Trix Rabbit <c...@efn.org> wrote:
[...snip...]
> > In 1996, I believe IBM and Apple are going to be producing
> > Taligent machines "together". Identical machine, different OS.
This would be a neat trick, since it will be years before MacOS has the
plumbing necessary to run Taligent (as vaporous as it is.) And Taligent
isn't hardware, it's software.
I think you've got buzzword-confusion.
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Jay Lloyd Neal
> > PowerPC - IBM hardware licensed by Apple
>
> No, a family of chips designed in joint collaboration by Motorola, IBM,
> and Apple. Currently produced by Motorla and IBM.
>
> Matt Peterson - University of Kansas, Experimental Psychology
Apple doesn't produce any PowerPC chips.
Motorola and IBM share the patent rights.
PowerPC is a trademark name of IBM, not Apple.
Apple licenses the technology from IBM.
IBM, Apple, and Motorola codeveloped a marketing agreement.
And Matt, all of IBM's current PowerPC based work stations are
PREP based. True, true, true...
Of course, my whole point was to establish a vernacular for this
discussion which didn't use the misnomers of "PC", "clone", and
"IBM" in reference to Micro$loth DOS gaming.
We agree on that point, don't we?
cheers, Jay
http://soilmicro-lab.biol.vt.edu/JLN.HTML
Matt Peterson
Jay Lloyd Neal <jay...@vt.edu> writes:
>
> Apple doesn't produce any PowerPC chips.
correct.
> Motorola and IBM share the patent rights.
> PowerPC is a trademark name of IBM, not Apple.
> Apple licenses the technology from IBM.
Seems rather hard to believe that Apple licences a technology from IBM
that they codeveloped with IBM and Motorola. And what exactly, would
they be licensing? All they do is buy the chips from whoever is
producing them (IBM and/or Motorola factories, depending on which
chip). Wouldn't the trademark by owned by the consortium?
> IBM, Apple, and Motorola codeveloped a marketing agreement.
>
> And Matt, all of IBM's current PowerPC based work stations are
> PREP based. True, true, true...
But nobody is going to use Prep. Prep has been replaced by Chrp/Puma.
No current Macs, and no Macs to be released in 1995 are going to be
built to the Chrp/Puma standard. Maybe '96.
> Of course, my whole point was to establish a vernacular for this
> discussion which didn't use the misnomers of "PC", "clone", and
> "IBM" in reference to Micro$loth DOS gaming.
>
> We agree on that point, don't we?
Sure, I guess. It looks like you got some buzzwords mixed up, though.
> cheers, Jay
> http://soilmicro-lab.biol.vt.edu/JLN.HTML
Jay Lloyd Neal
>
> > Motorola and IBM share the patent rights.
> > PowerPC is a trademark name of IBM, not Apple.
> > Apple licenses the technology from IBM.
>Wouldn't the trademark by owned by the consortium?
Apparently not. Look in the fine print wherever PowerPC is
written in the PowerMac manuals.
"PowerPC is a trademark of International Business Machines
Corporation, used under license therefrom."
> > IBM, Apple, and Motorola codeveloped a marketing agreement.
To get a sense of Apple's actual involvement in Chip design, think about the
Powerbook 603 cpu, the design refused by Apple after production phase.
> > And Matt, all of IBM's current PowerPC based work stations are
> > PREP based. True, true, true...
> But nobody is going to use Prep.
IBM is until 96 when the platform standards converge.
> No current Macs, and no Macs to be released in 1995 are going to be
> built to the Chrp/Puma standard. Maybe '96.
What you say about puma is true as far as I know...
Marco
What the hell does this have to do with Marathon?