Marathon kicks ass! (report from Expo)
Marc Nimchuk
[Marathon is THE killer app mac users have been waiting for. Big surprise ;)]
So who wants to sell me a PPC PDS card?
Ishir Bhan
Marathon. I came into Macworld hoping that Marathon would be as good as
DOOM. The fact is, it is not. Sorry, if you're looking for DOOM on the
Mac, Marathon is not it. Why? Because it KICKS DOOM'S ASS! This game
is seriously amazing.
The bad news: if you don't have a PowerMac, you are really going to wish
you had one. Marathon has variable settings for detail, graphic
quality, etc. To get the most out of the game, you really do need a
PowerMac. Most of you have probably seen the screenshots of Marathon in
IMG. On the PowerMac 7100/66, they had Marathon running full screen, and
it looked even more impressive (you couldn't see your various
instruments, but the graphics were amazing). The sounds were good as
well. On the non-PowerMacs, the game was still impressive, albeit
slightly more jerky. The fluidity on the PowerMacs was truely unsurpassed.
They are selling it at the Expo for only $35, and they will ship it to
you when it is ready (they said a couple weeks). The game is done, but
they need to finish doing packaging.
The good news: Awesome, awesome, awesome! Imagine DOOM with more vivid
color, better and more creative layout, excellent lighting effects (one
example that struck me was light that shown into a dark hallway from a
bright room that would disappear when the door closed), and higher
resolution. 8 player networking!
The really amazing thing is the animation. Screen shots do not do this
game justice. I wish a demo was out so I wouldn't have to wait until
this baby was released.
Bottom line: If you have a PowerMac, get this game now. If you have an
040-based machine, get it as well. Even if you have an 040 or earlier
machine....save some money up for a PowerMac. I wonder if Marathon will
sell more PowerMacs than native Excel and Word...probably! :)
Bungie has really worked some magic here. A friend of mine pirates games
regularly, but bought Marathon anyway because it is so awesome.
GET IT!
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Chris Russo
[ Glowing review deleted ]
>Bungie has really worked some magic here. A friend of mine pirates games
>regularly, but bought Marathon anyway because it is so awesome.
>
>GET IT!
On that note. If this game is as awesome as the reports say it is, those
Bungie guys deserve our TOTAL support. Make their hard work pay off.
- If you like the game, BUY IT! Do NOT copy it.
- If a friend asks for a free copy of your bought one, tell him/her to FUCK
OFF AND DIE! Ask him/her to look at the pathetic lineup of Mac games out
there and accuse this person of being the cause.
- Flame people who publish cracks to allow multiple players (networking) on
one copy. Yeah, I know it's legal. Do you think the legality of it is
encouragement for the guys at Bungie to reproduce their efforts next time,
when their games are being pirated?
'Nuff said,
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Chris Russo Macintosh Programmer
Sonic Systems, Inc. (408) 736-1900 #107
ch...@sonicsys.com NEVER respond to flame bait!
Mad Dog Deal
: - If you like the game, BUY IT! Do NOT copy it.
: - If a friend asks for a free copy of your bought one, tell him/her to FUCK
: OFF AND DIE! Ask him/her to look at the pathetic lineup of Mac games out
: there and accuse this person of being the cause.
: - Flame people who publish cracks to allow multiple players (networking) on
: one copy. Yeah, I know it's legal. Do you think the legality of it is
: encouragement for the guys at Bungie to reproduce their efforts next time,
: when their games are being pirated?
: 'Nuff said,
Here, here.
If Marathon is as good as the press its getting, i won't hesitate to
shell out 60-80 bucks for a copy. Perhaps it will TIE me over until some
LA games are available for PPC.
Dan
Joe Francis
> Flame people who publish cracks to allow multiple players (networking)
> on one copy. Yeah, I know it's legal. Do you think the legality of
> it is encouragement for the guys at Bungie to reproduce their efforts
> next time, when their games are being pirated?
It always helps to think before you flame. I buy all my software, and
yet I sometimes make use of, and sometimes publish, cracks for copy
protection. Why, if I'm not stealing? It's simple - if the copy
protection disrupts my ability to use the software then I want it
gone. In fact, if I know that ahead of time I won't buy the software
at all, but unfortunately sometimes you don't find out how intrusive
the crippleware is until you get it.
With Marathon, though, I think it's less likely that you will see
patches posted than with other copy protected games. The reason is
that Bungie has come up with a decent copy protection scheme. It
asks you three times (at launch, I believe) over the course of the
first few days. Then it doesn't bother you anymore (unless you
change machines). Thus there's not much incentive to crack it,
because it doesn't become much of a bother. In fact, I just checked
the latest patch list I've seen and PID isn't on it....
[Note: this is how it works in PID. I'm assuming Marathon is the
same, but I don't know for sure.]
This less intrusive copy protection is a much better solution than a
"look up the magic code/word/whatever every time you play" method.
Check out Prince of Persia (the first one) for an example of a copy
protection scheme from hell. I didn't buy the game until the crack
for it was posted - in that sense, the crack earned them a sale.
So next time, before you judge those who post a crack to be mere
pirate-assistants, think first.
Ideally, the game has no copy protection at all. Delta Tao uses no
copy protection, and I've bought plenty of software from them. In
fact, I'd like to take this opportunity to recommend Delta Tao to
anyone considering buying a game. They make good stuff, at a good
price, and send out newsletters every once in a while that put Dave
Barry to shame. I'm very much looking forward to Color Dark Castle
and Color Beyond Dark Castle.
I've got no relation to DT except as a very satisfied customer.
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Montressor
<Joe.F...@dartmouth.edu> writes:
"With Marathon, though, I think it's less likely that you will see
patches posted than with other copy protected games. The reason is
that Bungie has come up with a decent copy protection scheme."
Also, since the game ships with 2 serial numbers (for network play),
there's little incentive for most network players to crack the networked
cp either. All in all, Bungie is very cool. (You listening, Velocity?)
"I'm very much looking forward to Color Dark Castle
and Color Beyond Dark Castle."
Demoed Dark Castle at the show. It was great seeing it again. Must buy.
Mont
Cerebus The Aardvark
>Chris Russo, ch...@sonicsys.com writes:
>> Flame people who publish cracks to allow multiple players (networking)
>> on one copy. Yeah, I know it's legal. Do you think the legality of
>> it is encouragement for the guys at Bungie to reproduce their efforts
>> next time, when their games are being pirated?
>It always helps to think before you flame. I buy all my software, and
>yet I sometimes make use of, and sometimes publish, cracks for copy
>protection. Why, if I'm not stealing? It's simple - if the copy
>protection disrupts my ability to use the software then I want it
>gone. In fact, if I know that ahead of time I won't buy the software
>at all, but unfortunately sometimes you don't find out how intrusive
>the crippleware is until you get it.
>With Marathon, though, I think it's less likely that you will see
>patches posted than with other copy protected games. The reason is
>that Bungie has come up with a decent copy protection scheme. It
>asks you three times (at launch, I believe) over the course of the
>first few days. Then it doesn't bother you anymore (unless you
>change machines). Thus there's not much incentive to crack it,
>because it doesn't become much of a bother. In fact, I just checked
>the latest patch list I've seen and PID isn't on it....
PID does have a widely publisized crack out. This is because PID had a
very serious Bug in that if you changed ANYTHING about your computers
configuration (ie, added RAM) PID would ask you questions FOREVER. I
assume this was fixed in 2.0, but I'm not buying any Bungee games until
they get rid of the cripplecode altogether. (Hey, it worked with Maxis)
>This less intrusive copy protection is a much better solution than a
>"look up the magic code/word/whatever every time you play" method.
Better <> Good. Any Cripple code is intrusive and a Bad Thing (tm) Don't
support companies that use it. I really regret buying Beyond Zork, which
includes a documentation check ONT HE CD ROM. What idito thought that one
up?
>Check out Prince of Persia (the first one) for an example of a copy
>protection scheme from hell. I didn't buy the game until the crack
>for it was posted - in that sense, the crack earned them a sale.
POP2 is just almost as bad.
>Ideally, the game has no copy protection at all. Delta Tao uses no
>copy protection, and I've bought plenty of software from them. In
>fact, I'd like to take this opportunity to recommend Delta Tao to
>anyone considering buying a game. They make good stuff, at a good
>price, and send out newsletters every once in a while that put Dave
>Barry to shame. I'm very much looking forward to Color Dark Castle
>and Color Beyond Dark Castle.
Remember, we got Maxis to drop their cripplecode policy. DON'T buy
software with copy "protection" on it.
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dann cutter
Aardvark) wrote:
> PID does have a widely publisized crack out. This is because PID had a
> very serious Bug in that if you changed ANYTHING about your computers
> configuration (ie, added RAM) PID would ask you questions FOREVER. I
> assume this was fixed in 2.0, but I'm not buying any Bungee games until
> they get rid of the cripplecode altogether. (Hey, it worked with Maxis)
Just bought and upgraded PID. Of course i got it used without the manuel
(but with the original disks and box... local rental store. So I have tried
all the patches for 2.0 and none work. Eventually I'll patch and play, but
til then I ain't buying Marathon.
> >Ideally, the game has no copy protection at all. Delta Tao uses no
> >copy protection, and I've bought plenty of software from them. In
> >fact, I'd like to take this opportunity to recommend Delta Tao to
> >anyone considering buying a game. They make good stuff, at a good
> >price, and send out newsletters every once in a while that put Dave
> >Barry to shame. I'm very much looking forward to Color Dark Castle
> >and Color Beyond Dark Castle.
Here here. Delta Tao is almost the only company I'll buy NEW software from!
They are cool, and very friednly about any problems... I just wish the
stores nearby would start carrying their stuff (though i'd still buy it
straight from them so they get most of the money!)
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AFC Daniel
dcu...@oregon.uoregon.edu (dann cutter) writes:
<<Just bought and upgraded PID. Of course i got it used without the manuel
(but with the original disks and box... local rental store. So I have
tried
all the patches for 2.0 and none work. Eventually I'll patch and play, but
til then I ain't buying Marathon.>>
Maybe the problem is that you bought a used program and that somehow the
original disks got corrupted.
Ishir Bhan
If you miss out on Marathon because it has protection (albeit a
non-intrusive variety), you are really missing out.
Joe Francis
> >Check out Prince of Persia (the first one) for an example of a copy
> >protection scheme from hell. I didn't buy the game until the crack
> >for it was posted - in that sense, the crack earned them a sale.
>
> POP2 is just almost as bad.
Thanks for the heads up. I don't want to buy the game until a crack
is out, if it's anything like the protection in POP1. What is it
like, specifically?
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Cerebus The Aardvark
>Cerebus The Aardvark, kr...@netcom.com writes:
>> >Check out Prince of Persia (the first one) for an example of a copy
>> >protection scheme from hell. I didn't buy the game until the crack
>> >for it was posted - in that sense, the crack earned them a sale.
>>
>> POP2 is just almost as bad.
>Thanks for the heads up. I don't want to buy the game until a crack
>is out, if it's anything like the protection in POP1. What is it
>like, specifically?
"chose the correct symbol for page XX" It's a pain in the butt. There is
a crack program out, but I've not seen a actual patch yet.
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