Clan Lord: Joe Williams, I quit
Jonathan Dreyer
First and foremost is the immature behavior of a number of players. I will
not name names although I know for a fact many other players have been
harassed by then also.
Secondly is Joe Williams stance of scripts at this point. I used a script
because I felt (as have many others in this newsgroup who have posted the
concerns) that the gaining of ranks as it is now is extremely difficult for
a newbie to do. Joe Williams upon discovering the use of scripts instead of
trying to understand why people feel the need to use scripts and address
the problem tells player to \curse and if possible kill the scripting
characters.
Joe, if you're not going to bother to fix the problem, you should at least
let people use scripts to overcome the problem.
I had oringinally prepared a very favorable preview that was going to be
posted at the Mac Gaming Alliance until these problems came up. I was then
going to write a very unfavorable preview, but then decided to for go any
Clan Lord coverage at the MGA all together. Although I will give my
unfavorable opinion to all those that e-mail me asking for it.
As it is now I beleive that Clan Lord will fail as a commercial venture.
There are serious problems present and instead of addressing them, Joe
Williams pushes then "under the rug". There is still time to fix Joe...
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Ryan 'Mentos' Fancher
Thats the first step to overcome what is called 'ACLS', or Anti-ClanLord
Syndrome.
Now, I agree on the fact that script users are 'cheating' [sort of]...but,
Joe, they prob'ly get less rats then anyone. Lets also look at the fact that
they'll die EASY, especially if theres alot of rats [this usually happens in
the east rat hut]...
One day, I was going after rats, and was ignoring part of a conversation two
people were having because I was watching TV and just moving my mouse
around.. Then I received two curses. I stopped, and asked them why, and they
said 'Your running a bot. Don't be a ****ing cheater'.
I guess thats some good anti-scripting idea there, Joe...curse even those
who don't pay attention to a conversation. I suppose this is the harassment
he was talking about.
The more I think about it, the idea seems even more stupid.
What you need to do is use the idea someone else had; put the anti-scripting
device IN the client.
Don't let the hundreds of dorks run around and curse you if you don't pay
attention or because they think they're being 'Good'. Lets call those people
Joe's Boys...twerps that will believe everything Joe says is right, no
matter how dumb it is. *g*
Now, don't get me wrong, Clan Lord kicks ass...but now theres too many
complications in everything...Blabbermouths, Scripting, etc...it reminds me
on how corrupted Avara became after the first year...dorks piling in with
HUGE attitudes, the ACA...ugh.
Thats about it.
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RJF
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T.
Fancher" <men...@quakeintosh.com> wrote:
> Calm down.
> Now, I agree on the fact that script users are 'cheating' [sort of]...but,
> Joe, they prob'ly get less rats then anyone. Lets also look at the fact that
> they'll die EASY, especially if theres alot of rats [this usually happens in
> the east rat hut]...
You gotta be a moron to run a script if you will die to the rats... it's
the levels between say, 3 and 15 that you can cheat via scripts.
You can't tell me that even if you get 2 rats to a live players five, that
they get less in a 24 hr run of a script than the player that plays 3
hours. Also, when no players are in there, they get 80% of the rats.
Also, when players are in there, they slow down live players 'rats per
hour' rate of increase.
The sad thing is, if you gain 15 levels worth of exp cheating... your
combat skills are gonna be a shot in the dark. If you don't play, you
aren't going to know how to train, and if you train wrong, you're going to
suck.
You can actually use a script to surpass level 15, but that's a secret for
next week's installment of "how to get your IP address permanently rejected
by the CL server". (BTW, it's also theoretically, I am pretty sure it's
possible and virtually undetectable, but I never had any inclination to try
it.)
> The more I think about it, the idea seems even more stupid.
> What you need to do is use the idea someone else had; put the anti-scripting
> device IN the client.
That's my suggestion, but that requires coding time... time that would
otherwise be spent on improvements in the game.
Which is fine, Joe could spend the next month implimenting anti-cheater
code and still not block every _known_ loophole. But I think before that
happens, Joe would more likely close the beta and only invite non-cheaters
if the cheating starts to interfere with the their work to improve the
game.
> Now, don't get me wrong, Clan Lord kicks ass...but now theres too many
> complications in everything...Blabbermouths, Scripting, etc...it reminds me
> on how corrupted Avara became after the first year...dorks piling in with
> HUGE attitudes, the ACA...ugh.
Kinda gives you a good idea why there are so few public betas, no? Hard to
test when you spend your time trying to catch "dorks".
--
-t
Jonathan Dreyer
somewhat...
I might give Clan Lord another try later in the week. Maybe...
I 100% agree with what you say about "Joe's Boys", the assholes that run
around and act like whatever Joe says is a word from God to them
personally.
Some "Joe's Boys" I've run into are:
Rand Al Thor
Elkhorn
Gil-Galad
Martlet
Any others out there that should be labeled as "Joe's Boys" for people to avoid?
Maybe we should make a webpage to warn newbies about "Joe's Boys"?
In article <HIqD1.716$w4.29...@newsgate.direct.ca>, "Ryan 'Mentos'
Fancher" <men...@quakeintosh.com> wrote:
> Calm down.
>
> Thats the first step to overcome what is called 'ACLS', or Anti-ClanLord
> Syndrome.
>
> Now, I agree on the fact that script users are 'cheating' [sort of]...but,
> Joe, they prob'ly get less rats then anyone. Lets also look at the fact that
> they'll die EASY, especially if theres alot of rats [this usually happens in
> the east rat hut]...
> One day, I was going after rats, and was ignoring part of a conversation two
> people were having because I was watching TV and just moving my mouse
> around.. Then I received two curses. I stopped, and asked them why, and they
> said 'Your running a bot. Don't be a ****ing cheater'.
> I guess thats some good anti-scripting idea there, Joe...curse even those
> who don't pay attention to a conversation. I suppose this is the harassment
> he was talking about.
>
> The more I think about it, the idea seems even more stupid.
> What you need to do is use the idea someone else had; put the anti-scripting
> device IN the client.
> Don't let the hundreds of dorks run around and curse you if you don't pay
> attention or because they think they're being 'Good'. Lets call those people
> Joe's Boys...twerps that will believe everything Joe says is right, no
> matter how dumb it is. *g*
>
> Now, don't get me wrong, Clan Lord kicks ass...but now theres too many
> complications in everything...Blabbermouths, Scripting, etc...it reminds me
> on how corrupted Avara became after the first year...dorks piling in with
> HUGE attitudes, the ACA...ugh.
>
> Thats about it.
>
> -------------------------------------------
> RJF
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> <men...@quakeintosh.com>
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Zeet
I have herd storys of programmer berning out about things like this. All that
other do to you while you try to make a program like this. A a player I know it
can be frusterating to spent what seem like houndreds of houres on develping
skill on a palyer and have it go all down the drain.
Could be just me but mabe we should try to keep any sugestion in a simpel
as posible. Mabe the Clan Lord develpers could some how work up a sytem that
would work better in relations with the bete tester.
Try to keep comitary and openyens seperated. Mabe rember it is a bete .That
till it out of bete. Your risking not getting some thing you like in bete or some
thign that dosne't work perfect. Bete the tim to work thing out. Giving openyens
and coments proble dose help.
These are just my openyens. Please don't blow them out of perporshen or be
ofended by them. I just worry that we could drive the develpers away or the bete
players will all go throo some sort of C.L.B.O.S. Mabe you feal like your getting
a case of C.L.B.O.S. then take a break and voice you openyen when you've had abit
of ti to cool. Even I have had C.L.B.O.S. Mabe even wait to play it till it out
of bete then.
game are sort ment to be fun for all I all ways sort of though.
Smoke2429
Rand Al Thor
Elkhorn
Gil-Galad
Martlet
Any others out there that should be labeled as "Joe's Boys" for people to
avoid?
Maybe we should make a webpage to warn newbies about "Joe's Boys"?
>>
Hmm... seems your a bit mistaken,i know pretty much that Martlet isnt one of
Joe's Boys... I know for damn sure that Elkhorn isnt.. the other two i dont
know much but i know one thing they all have in common,they all play more In
Character than Out Of Character,i think you should recheck your list,or at
least take Elkhorn off,theres no way in hell he's a "Joe's boy" hehehe
-Smoke
M. W. Welsh
jddr...@csi.com (Jonathan Dreyer) wrote:
> Ok, Now that I have thought through everything, I agree that I over-reacted
> somewhat...
> I might give Clan Lord another try later in the week. Maybe...
>
> I 100% agree with what you say about "Joe's Boys", the assholes that run
> around and act like whatever Joe says is a word from God to them
> personally.
> Some "Joe's Boys" I've run into are:
> Rand Al Thor
> Elkhorn
> Gil-Galad
> Martlet
>
> Any others out there that should be labeled as "Joe's Boys" for people
to avoid?
> Maybe we should make a webpage to warn newbies about "Joe's Boys"?
Wow! Can I be one of Joe's Boys too? All these people on your list are
people I have had good experiences with. See they want the game experience
to be good and so does Joe so they have something in common. I don't know
if you are Jealous or what, but name calling is pretty silly.
MonolithTheGood
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Braveheart
> There are serious problems present and instead of addressing them, Joe
> Williams pushes then "under the rug". There is still time to fix Joe...
Heck the game is not even in Alpha yet...let alone Beta!
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mono...@neo.lrun.com (M. W. Welsh) wrote:
> In article <jddreyer-ya0240800...@news.compuserve.com>,
> jddr...@csi.com (Jonathan Dreyer) wrote:
>
> > Ok, Now that I have thought through everything, I agree that I over-reacted
> > somewhat...
> > I might give Clan Lord another try later in the week. Maybe...
> >
> > I 100% agree with what you say about "Joe's Boys", the assholes that run
> > around and act like whatever Joe says is a word from God to them
> > personally.
> > Some "Joe's Boys" I've run into are:
> > Rand Al Thor
> > Elkhorn
> > Gil-Galad
> > Martlet
> >
> > Any others out there that should be labeled as "Joe's Boys" for people
> to avoid?
> > Maybe we should make a webpage to warn newbies about "Joe's Boys"?
I feel rather offended i was left off the list
:)
Vex
Elkhorn (insert about 30 lines of laughing here), ELKHORN? Did you ever
even play at all with him? Elkhorn doesn't give a damn what the anyone
thinks, from what I know of him he does whatever he feels like. Next,
Martlet, Martlet is a friend of mine and certainly does not listent to
Joe as a god, Martlet is in my opinion one of the people who disagrees
with Joe the most, you should take time to actually read all the
numerous posts Marty has made on the subject of problems the game has.
If your going to start labelling people as assholes you should take
the time to actually get to know them first before you pass your
judgement on them.
Now, to get to the point on your little script. Lets take the time
to think about this shall we? You run a script and gain enough xp to be
lvl 16, which would give your char some slighty above average fighting
skills. First of all, you wouldn't know at all how to fight in the first
place, you'd be totally un-prepared to face any monster thats your lvl.
Second of all, you wouldn't have any idea how to properly train, and
would have a below average char. in that respects. Someone who actually
earned their lvl through playing would know a hell of a lot more about
how to fight and train then a char who got rats through a script would.
Your next point about newbies having a tought time gaining xp?
Newbies have the easiest time of anyone, kill about 10 rats, gain a
rank. It's the high lvl players who have made posts about how hard it is
to gain xp, not the newbies.
More on that subject, one little curse, so what, karma dissapears at
the rate of 1% per 6 mins of game time, everyone else can live with it,
so can you. As far as you getting killed, getting raised from the dead
isn't all that hard you know, and even if you depart what's one little
rank when you can earn it back in 5 mins? Maybe the threat of death
might make you actually check up on your character from time to time?
Vex
Ryan 'Mentos' Fancher
>rank when you can earn it back in 5 mins?
Actually, isn't it harder to earn experience once you depart once or twice?
-insert soul here-
tak_...@nauticom.net (T.) wrote:
> The sad thing is, if you gain 15 levels worth of exp cheating... your
> combat skills are gonna be a shot in the dark. If you don't play, you
> aren't going to know how to train, and if you train wrong, you're going to
> suck.
Now, now, now ... I earned every rank I've gotten by sitting behind the
monitor and depriving myself of sleep ... and I still suck. So don't
be saying things like only script-users are allowed to suck. I suck a
whole lot, and it took TIME and EFFORT and INGENUITY to suck as bad as
I do!
Elkhorn
> Ok, Now that I have thought through everything, I agree that I over-reacted
> somewhat...
> I might give Clan Lord another try later in the week. Maybe...
>
> I 100% agree with what you say about "Joe's Boys", the assholes that run
> around and act like whatever Joe says is a word from God to them
> personally.
> Some "Joe's Boys" I've run into are:
> Rand Al Thor
> Elkhorn
> Gil-Galad
> Martlet
>
> Any others out there that should be labeled as "Joe's Boys" for people
to avoid?
> Maybe we should make a webpage to warn newbies about "Joe's Boys"?
Damn, I wasn't first on that list? Sheesh, I thought I kissed alot more
ass than that. I wanna be at the top of that list damnit!
The ever brown-nosing Elkhorn
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Elkhorn
Scorp Bait) This person's name within the lands of Clan Lord is John The
Mighty. Allthough I really don't see anything mighty at all about him. He
has the maturity level of one who has had decisions made for him his whole
life (Perhaps he likes to be spanked and other such things a submissive
personality likes?)
I am posting this to completely and totally humiliate and degradate this
so called person. He attempted to call me a fool, so now, in my drunken,
self-rightious state, I must reply.
John The Mighty, or should we all call you John The Spank Toy? By the way,
do you use "God Mode" all the time in your first person shoot 'em ups? Or
is that too much of a challenge for you? Maybe you think I got to my
greatness through no effort at all, but I'll have you know I worked damn
hard at being the asshole I am today.
Seriously, I enjoy helping newbies, and used to do so quite alot. But
people like John The Self-Pleasuring have jaded me against newbies, so the
rest of them miss out on my occasional words of wisdom. So if you're mad
that I won't help you, be sure to /curse JohnTheMighty to show him your
gratitude.
And for the record, I have politely mentioned concerns and gripes to Joe
Williams, I know he must receive a ton of barely legible email flaming him
over things that he's just testing out. Creating something of this
magnatude is quite difficult, if you think it's easy try writing a novel.
Most of you would have given up before now, and the rest would be
overwhelmed and having strokes.
Call me an ass-kisser if you'd like, but as far as scripting cheaters go,
I'll continue in my ways, because I was once a newbie too, and I worked
very hard to get good at this game. (try taking on giant slugs with zero
training sometime)
That's all I have to say, except that John The Afeminate should quit,
since he has no desire to test or even RP. He's one of those useless
clanners out there.
Elkhorn the ever drunken, self-rightious, delusional freak of nature
Ted Woodward
Jonathan Dreyer <jddr...@csi.com> wrote:
>I have decided to give up Clan Lord for a number of reasons.
>First and foremost is the immature behavior of a number of players. I will
>not name names although I know for a fact many other players have been
>harassed by then also.
Boy, I tell you, America sucks because there are some people there
that I don't like.
Deal with it. This happens wherever you get people together online.
You can't blame Clan Lord.
>Secondly is Joe Williams stance of scripts at this point. I used a script
>because I felt (as have many others in this newsgroup who have posted the
>concerns) that the gaining of ranks as it is now is extremely difficult for
>a newbie to do. Joe Williams upon discovering the use of scripts instead of
>trying to understand why people feel the need to use scripts and address
>the problem tells player to \curse and if possible kill the scripting
>characters.
There's a problem? I just started playing on Friday, and I didn't have
a problem getting ranks as a newbie. I'd like to know how many ranks
I've gotten total (computers are good at this kind of thing Joe :-) ),
but the product IS an ALPHA version you know.
My problem gaining ranks was the period when brown Myrm were too easy
but I couldn't kill a young rockodile yet. I'm past that now.
>Joe, if you're not going to bother to fix the problem, you should at least
>let people use scripts to overcome the problem.
What's the problem? I don't think it's too hard.
>I had oringinally prepared a very favorable preview that was going to be
>posted at the Mac Gaming Alliance until these problems came up. I was then
>going to write a very unfavorable preview, but then decided to for go any
>Clan Lord coverage at the MGA all together. Although I will give my
>unfavorable opinion to all those that e-mail me asking for it.
It is MUCH too early to review Clan Lord. The game is an ALPHA version!
Maybe you need to learn a bit more about the software industry before
doing reviews like that...
>As it is now I beleive that Clan Lord will fail as a commercial venture.
>There are serious problems present and instead of addressing them, Joe
>Williams pushes then "under the rug". There is still time to fix Joe...
Well considering that version 0.38 just came out...I think we have a long
way to go before Clan Lord is released.
Ted
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Ted Woodward
OK, I know that picking on spelling and formatting errors are no-nos
(if you don't know this, go read the newuser faq in news.announce.newusers),
but my Lord, this post is PAINFUL to read. PLEASE, fix your line length.
No lines should be longer than 79 characters. And use a spell checker.
A few spelling errors can be overlooked, but when you get to
3 or more per sentence...OUCH.
T.
<biteme-2408...@pool040-max9.ds6-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net>,
bit...@i.hate.spam.com (Elkhorn) wrote:
Quit your whining, I've been around longer, and you got higher billing than
me :(
So, do we get a plaque or something, our own Pub, special "referee" black
and white striped shirts? If I'm getting stuck in a club, I want some
benefits damnit!
--
-t
T.
> Jonathan Dreyer <jddr...@csi.com> wrote:
> >First and foremost is the immature behavior of a number of players. I will
> >not name names although I know for a fact many other players have been
> >harassed by then also.
Well, lie #1, you won't name names.
And I can only guess he's talked to Speckko, since he knows how everyone
else feels, and is able to speak for everyone as well.
> >Secondly is Joe Williams stance of scripts at this point. I used a script
> >because I felt (as have many others in this newsgroup who have posted the
> >concerns) that the gaining of ranks as it is now is extremely difficult for
> >a newbie to do. Joe Williams upon discovering the use of scripts instead of
> >trying to understand why people feel the need to use scripts and address
> >the problem tells player to \curse and if possible kill the scripting
> >characters.
Did you even talk to Joe? This is like saying Joe told you not to oh, copy
an image from CL. But, since Joe didn't make it impossible to copy, you
did it anyway, and it's Joes fault you did it, because he only said not to
do it, and didn't make it impossible to do.
Joe said, don't script... not only does it cheat yourself out of the
gameplay experience, it takes away kills from others, belittles their
efforts to gain exp within the game system, and is rather annoying to
listen to "Dickhead is away, but I might be back" messages over and over
again.
> >Joe, if you're not going to bother to fix the problem, you should at least
> >let people use scripts to overcome the problem.
And if you're not going to give him a chance, in the, what, 1 week you
played to fix one of the many problems with the pre-beta system? Gimme a
break, they don't fix things that aren't causing crashes during the week,
they roll fixes up and put them out every weds typically.
> >I had oringinally prepared a very favorable preview that was going to be
> >posted at the Mac Gaming Alliance until these problems came up. I was then
> >going to write a very unfavorable preview, but then decided to for go any
> >Clan Lord coverage at the MGA all together. Although I will give my
> >unfavorable opinion to all those that e-mail me asking for it.
[ I'll bite my tongue on the comment on worth of said opinion ]
> >As it is now I beleive that Clan Lord will fail as a commercial venture.
> >There are serious problems present and instead of addressing them, Joe
> >Williams pushes then "under the rug". There is still time to fix Joe...
Yes, see, I played for a week, well, not really, I wrote a script and it
played for a week... and based on my computers inability to gain any
unjoyment out of the game, my computer has written this post for me,
stating that it believes aforementioned venture will fail.
--
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M. W. Welsh
t...@dsp.sps.nobasura.mot.com (Ted Woodward) wrote:
> It is MUCH too early to review Clan Lord. The game is an ALPHA version!
> Maybe you need to learn a bit more about the software industry before
> doing reviews like that...
Good defenseTed! By the way, It's not even an alpha version yet! :-)
MonolithTheGood Cya in Puddleby! :-)
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original post.
In article <tak_BLAH_-ya024080...@news.nauticom.net>,
tak_...@nauticom.net (T.) wrote:
> In article <jddreyer-ya0240800...@news.compuserve.com>,
> > Jonathan Dreyer <jddr...@csi.com> wrote:
> > >First and foremost is the immature behavior of a number of players. I will
> > >not name names although I know for a fact many other players have been
> > >harassed by then also.
>
> Well, lie #1, you won't name names.
> And I can only guess he's talked to Speckko, since he knows how everyone
> else feels, and is able to speak for everyone as well.
I wish I could speak for everyone! ;-)
> > >Secondly is Joe Williams stance of scripts at this point. I used a script
> > >because I felt (as have many others in this newsgroup who have posted the
> > >concerns) that the gaining of ranks as it is now is extremely difficult for
> > >a newbie to do. Joe Williams upon discovering the use of scripts instead of
> > >trying to understand why people feel the need to use scripts and address
> > >the problem tells player to \curse and if possible kill the scripting
> > >characters.
>
> Did you even talk to Joe? This is like saying Joe told you not to oh, copy
> an image from CL. But, since Joe didn't make it impossible to copy, you
> did it anyway, and it's Joes fault you did it, because he only said not to
> do it, and didn't make it impossible to do.
>
> Joe said, don't script... not only does it cheat yourself out of the
> gameplay experience, it takes away kills from others, belittles their
> efforts to gain exp within the game system, and is rather annoying to
> listen to "Dickhead is away, but I might be back" messages over and over
> again.
Joe did make it clear that he would like to outlaw scripts, but felt that
at this time it would be too difficult to implement. So how these people
get off saying that he hasn't said "no scripting" is beyond me!
> > >Joe, if you're not going to bother to fix the problem, you should at least
> > >let people use scripts to overcome the problem.
>
> And if you're not going to give him a chance, in the, what, 1 week you
> played to fix one of the many problems with the pre-beta system? Gimme a
> break, they don't fix things that aren't causing crashes during the week,
> they roll fixes up and put them out every weds typically.
Use scripts to over come the problem? Forget scripts, let's just give
people experience for standing in town all day like in the old days. No,
wait, let's just put "God Mode" intl the game that way you won't need
experience.
> > >I had oringinally prepared a very favorable preview that was going to be
> > >posted at the Mac Gaming Alliance until these problems came up. I was then
> > >going to write a very unfavorable preview, but then decided to for go any
> > >Clan Lord coverage at the MGA all together. Although I will give my
> > >unfavorable opinion to all those that e-mail me asking for it.
>
> [ I'll bite my tongue on the comment on worth of said opinion ]
It really amazes me that someone with so little understanding of games is
given the job of reviewing them. Now I know that I shouldn't look to MGA
for a well balanced review. Thanks for the warning! :-)
> > >As it is now I beleive that Clan Lord will fail as a commercial venture.
> > >There are serious problems present and instead of addressing them, Joe
> > >Williams pushes then "under the rug". There is still time to fix Joe...
>
>
> Yes, see, I played for a week, well, not really, I wrote a script and it
> played for a week... and based on my computers inability to gain any
> unjoyment out of the game, my computer has written this post for me,
> stating that it believes aforementioned venture will fail.
LOL
Before scripts were held in such a bad light and before Joe
had expressed his disaproval of them, I wrote and used a script for a few
days. I know, I know, it's cheating, but I had been having serious
problems with my ISP disconnecting me and they had just "fixed" the
problem so I needed to see if I could stay on for extremly long periods of
time. I also wanted to see if I could write a rat hunting script, just for
the heck of it. Now that Joe and many others have made it clear that
scripts are undesirable I won't use it again. I wouldn't have wnyway
because I'm through testing the integrity of my connection. :-)
The reason I'm making all these confessions is because I
wanted to make it clear that I have 1st hand rat hunting script
experience. When I did it people thought it was neat, I was never cursed
and got asked alot of questions about it. The experience that I gained was
far less than experience I gained when I played during the day. On the
issue of it being difficult for newbies to get ranks, I say that is a
total crock. I created Monolithia one day to see the inside of the female
only pub. I decided the other day to make her a mystic if and when they
are implemented. I hunted rats legitimately and wandered around talking
to people for a few hours each day. in two days time of me mostly playing
MonolithTheGood and occasionaly using Monolithia I had gained 71 ranks for
her. This is hardly playing her at all! With 71 ranks you can be come a
fairly decent fighter and a good healer. Now if I had hunted rats with a
script I wouldn't have sen her grow, she would only be known as some demon
possessed scripter instead of a valued, although weak, member of the
Puddleby community.
Again I think I have rambled enough. :-)
M. W. Welsh
> In article
> <biteme-2408...@pool040-max9.ds6-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net>,
> bit...@i.hate.spam.com (Elkhorn) wrote:
>
> > In article <jddreyer-ya0240800...@news.compuserve.com>,
> > jddr...@csi.com (Jonathan Dreyer) wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, Now that I have thought through everything, I agree that I
over-reacted
> > > somewhat...
> > > I might give Clan Lord another try later in the week. Maybe...
> > >
> > > I 100% agree with what you say about "Joe's Boys", the assholes that run
> > > around and act like whatever Joe says is a word from God to them
> > > personally.
> > > Some "Joe's Boys" I've run into are:
> > > Rand Al Thor
> > > Elkhorn
> > > Gil-Galad
> > > Martlet
> > >
> > > Any others out there that should be labeled as "Joe's Boys" for people
> > to avoid?
> > > Maybe we should make a webpage to warn newbies about "Joe's Boys"?
> >
> > Damn, I wasn't first on that list? Sheesh, I thought I kissed alot more
> > ass than that. I wanna be at the top of that list damnit!
> >
> > The ever brown-nosing Elkhorn
>
> Quit your whining, I've been around longer, and you got higher billing than
> me :(
>
> So, do we get a plaque or something, our own Pub, special "referee" black
> and white striped shirts? If I'm getting stuck in a club, I want some
> benefits damnit!
I want in The Joe's Boys Clan! ;-)
MonolithTG
Braveheart
heck, I've been around *ALOT* longer and i didn't even get on the list
;(
Braveheart
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Jonathan Dreyer
mono...@neo.lrun.com (M. W. Welsh) wrote:
> > > >I had oringinally prepared a very favorable preview that was going to be
> > > >posted at the Mac Gaming Alliance until these problems came up. I
was then
> > > >going to write a very unfavorable preview, but then decided to for go any
> > > >Clan Lord coverage at the MGA all together. Although I will give my
> > > >unfavorable opinion to all those that e-mail me asking for it.
> >
> > [ I'll bite my tongue on the comment on worth of said opinion ]
>
> It really amazes me that someone with so little understanding of games is
> given the job of reviewing them. Now I know that I shouldn't look to MGA
> for a well balanced review. Thanks for the warning! :-)
Can anyone read where I clearly said: "very favorable preview". I was going
to do a PREVIEW!!! not a review, a preview!!! A review and a preview are
entirely different things. I review is an unbiased look at a finished game,
while a PREVIEW is a look at a game STILL IN DEVELOPMENT!
I have little understanding of games???
I have been an avid Mac Gamer for over 10 fucking years! Before that, on an
Apple 2!
I have been reviewing games for over 3 years now!
I have more understanding of games and especially of the Mac Gamming
Industry than most people.
Also, the reason why I now can't write a PREVIEW or a review of Clanlord
when it finally (if ever) comes out is I know I could never write an
UNBIASED review, not after all this crap...
P.S: Anyone want to \curse Elkhorn for me?
--
Jonathan Dreyer - Mac Gaming Alliance
T.
Somehow, I think a professional reviewer would have a bit higher maturity
level and slightly thicker skin than to have his professionalism destroyed
by a few players that take offense to his attempts to cheat.
Your lack of maturity, and admission that you cannot write an unbiased
opinion with a few minor distractions seems to me to be poor advertising
for your site.
Personally, I'd be embarrassed to have your posts associated with the "Mac
Gaming Alliance" if it were my site.
--
-t
Elkhorn
> to do a PREVIEW!!! not a review, a preview!!! A review and a preview are
> entirely different things. I review is an unbiased look at a finished game,
> while a PREVIEW is a look at a game STILL IN DEVELOPMENT!
From what I have seen, you know nothing about the true spirit of any game,
which is to enjoy yourself as well as challenge yourself. You can do
neither if a computer is doing the work for you. And this game is nowhere
near completion, so how can your preview have any real meaning? Have you
actually thought this through? I've been playing/testing since v30 and I
still wouldn't dare give my opinion of it, since everything can change at
any time, and then what's that preview going to be worth? Not alot if you
actually stop and think.
> I have little understanding of games???
> I have been an avid Mac Gamer for over 10 fucking years! Before that, on an
> Apple 2!
> I have been reviewing games for over 3 years now!
I doubt your reviews have any real basis in understanding of a game, since
you don't seem to want to actually work from the bottom to the top and
learn the ropes and tricks. Understanding the essentials. From what I can
see all you do is cheat and give your opinion on how much different stuff
there is to kill.
> I have more understanding of games and especially of the Mac Gamming
> Industry than most people.
You have very little understanding or comprehension of where your own ass
is located, let alone an entire industry.
> Also, the reason why I now can't write a PREVIEW or a review of Clanlord
> when it finally (if ever) comes out is I know I could never write an
> UNBIASED review, not after all this crap...
You can't even get the preview/review thing straight yourself, and you
hassle others for making the error? Talk about self-absorbed.
> P.S: Anyone want to \curse Elkhorn for me?
Feel free, I've had over 100 bad karma from stupid newbies who think they
know everything about everything, so it's nothing new to me, besides,
karma decays over time. Now, if you really want to try and prove to me how
much of a badass gamer you are, then perhaps there's better places to
settle this. There is a PK area known as the Arena. I don't like PKing
very much, but in your case I'd make an exception. =)
P.S. Does this guy listen to anybody but himself? I think there are
politicians who are less concerned with their own opinions.
Dave Burns
> to do a PREVIEW!!! not a review, a preview!!! A review and a preview are
> entirely different things. I review is an unbiased look at a finished game,
> while a PREVIEW is a look at a game STILL IN DEVELOPMENT!
>
> I have been an avid Mac Gamer for over 10 fucking years! Before that, on an
> Apple 2!
> I have been reviewing games for over 3 years now!
>
> Industry than most people.
>
> when it finally (if ever) comes out is I know I could never write an
> UNBIASED review, not after all this crap...
It seems rather obvious to me that you were incapable of writing an
unbiased review even before "all this crap". Perhaps some help with anger
management is in order?
> P.S: Anyone want to \curse Elkhorn for me?
No, do it yourself.
> --
> Jonathan Dreyer - Mac Gaming Alliance
> jddr...@csi.com
>
> Check out the Mac Gaming Alliance at
> http://macgaming.simplenet.com/
No, thanks. I think you've already given me a taste of what to expect.
Snrub
saman...@hotmail.com
tak_...@nauticom.net (T.) wrote:
> In article <jddreyer-ya0240800...@news.compuserve.com>,
>
> > In article <monolith-240...@c2-1e205.neo.lrun.com>,
> > mono...@neo.lrun.com (M. W. Welsh) wrote:
> >
> > to do a PREVIEW!!! not a review, a preview!!! A review and a preview are
> > entirely different things. I review is an unbiased look at a finished game,
> > while a PREVIEW is a look at a game STILL IN DEVELOPMENT!
> >
> > I have little understanding of games???
> > I have been an avid Mac Gamer for over 10 fucking years! Before that, on an
> > Apple 2!
> > I have been reviewing games for over 3 years now!
> >
> > I have more understanding of games and especially of the Mac Gamming
> > Industry than most people.
> >
> > Also, the reason why I now can't write a PREVIEW or a review of Clanlord
> > when it finally (if ever) comes out is I know I could never write an
> > UNBIASED review, not after all this crap...
> >
> >
> level and slightly thicker skin than to have his professionalism destroyed
> by a few players that take offense to his attempts to cheat.
>
> Your lack of maturity, and admission that you cannot write an unbiased
> opinion with a few minor distractions seems to me to be poor advertising
> for your site.
>
> Personally, I'd be embarrassed to have your posts associated with the "Mac
> Gaming Alliance" if it were my site.
Thank you. You saved me the trouble of writing this.
Samantha
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T.
> Subject: Clan Lord: Joe Williams, I quit
For god's sake, man! Stick to your word! Quit already, and spare us all
your incessant whining!
--
-t
Ted Woodward
>Can anyone read where I clearly said: "very favorable preview". I was going
>to do a PREVIEW!!! not a review, a preview!!! A review and a preview are
>entirely different things. I review is an unbiased look at a finished game,
>while a PREVIEW is a look at a game STILL IN DEVELOPMENT!
It's too soon to do a preview. The game could completely change in
the next two months, not to mention the time before release.
>I have little understanding of games???
>I have been an avid Mac Gamer for over 10 fucking years! Before that, on an
>Apple 2!
>I have been reviewing games for over 3 years now!
Congratulations. But tell me, how many games have you beta tested?
How many games have you written? How many large software development
projects have you been involved in?
If you haven't done the above activities, you're not qualified to
judge the state of Clan Lord, because you don't have the background.
>I have more understanding of games and especially of the Mac Gamming
>Industry than most people.
>Also, the reason why I now can't write a PREVIEW or a review of Clanlord
>when it finally (if ever) comes out is I know I could never write an
>UNBIASED review, not after all this crap...
Well, it's good that you know you shouldn't write reviews if you are
biased.
>P.S: Anyone want to \curse Elkhorn for me?
Why?
Ted/The O
M. W. Welsh
t...@NOSPAM.nauticom.net (T.) wrote:
Hear! Hear! Yes quit!
Avery Fay
mono...@neo.lrun.com (M. W. Welsh) wrote:
> In article <tak-ya02408000R...@news.nauticom.net>,
> t...@NOSPAM.nauticom.net (T.) wrote:
>
> > > Subject: Clan Lord: Joe Williams, I quit
> >
> > For god's sake, man! Stick to your word! Quit already, and spare us all
> > your incessant whining!
> >
>
>
> Hear! Hear! Yes quit!
>
> --
> Sincerely M. W. Welsh (AKA MonolithTheGood)
>
> Hiding and Hunting since v32 :-)
>
> Ya don't have ta remove a thing to reply! :-)
Heh. Not going to happen, he's addicted. And to think, ranting and raving
even though he can't stop playing it.
Avery Fay
tdean
> > Subject: Clan Lord: Joe Williams, I quit
>
> For god's sake, man! Stick to your word! Quit already, and spare us all
> your incessant whining!
>
Yea, you think we care if you leave? Oh no, your preview won't be
favorable, who cares?? It will probably only be seen in your family
holiday newsletter or something anyway.
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<biteme-2408...@pool021-max4.ds6-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net>,
bit...@i.hate.spam.com (Elkhorn) wrote:
> Feel free, I've had over 100 bad karma from stupid newbies who think they
> know everything about everything, so it's nothing new to me, besides,
> karma decays over time. Now, if you really want to try and prove to me how
> much of a badass gamer you are, then perhaps there's better places to
> settle this. There is a PK area known as the Arena. I don't like PKing
> very much, but in your case I'd make an exception. =)
First, let me say that I'm not a newbie and thus don't have a chip on my
shoulder or any of that crap. What I want to say, though, is that I see
one hell of a lot of veteran players who have superiority complexes. I
see experienced players saying, "Hey, you newbie, since you're so knew
you obviously don't know your head from your arse, and thus let me tell
you exactly how to do everything." Not those exact words, but you get
my meaning. We've all been newbies somewhere, so I'm sure we all remember
what it was like to have these bigoted, egotistical veterans try to use
us with their ego-trips. It's sickening. It's great to give people some
pointers, warn them of possible sticky issues or "bad moves" and so
forth. Wonderful, good for increasing the playerbase, and all that jazz.
I'm just getting sick of the egos and atmosphere that I see from time to
time both on the newsgroups and in the game itself. Cut it out. Damn.
Vaughn Garvin
>First, let me say that I'm not a newbie and thus don't have a chip on my
>shoulder or any of that crap. What I want to say, though, is that I see
>one hell of a lot of veteran players who have superiority complexes. I
>see experienced players saying, "Hey, you newbie, since you're so knew
>you obviously don't know your head from your arse, and thus let me tell
>you exactly how to do everything." Not those exact words, but you get
>my meaning. We've all been newbies somewhere, so I'm sure we all remember
>what it was like to have these bigoted, egotistical veterans try to use
>us with their ego-trips. It's sickening. It's great to give people some
>pointers, warn them of possible sticky issues or "bad moves" and so
>forth. Wonderful, good for increasing the playerbase, and all that jazz.
>I'm just getting sick of the egos and atmosphere that I see from time to
>time both on the newsgroups and in the game itself. Cut it out. Damn.
(ooc: if you cant handle ego's and an all that jazz and atmosphere,
perhaps you should rethink your definition of a RPG(or life in general).
People all have their own styles, personalities, and ideals (thats what
makes a RPG online so special). Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean
its wrong. IN the same manner it doesnt mean its right, however they have
the RIGHT to act as they choose. I have rarely seen a Expeirenced player
telling a newbie exactly what to do, but merely suggesting or directing.
Either way they are usually trying to do it in a positive manner, which is
mistakenly precieved as a superiority complex.
(example: if I were with a large group of fighters and there were 2 really
expierenced players and they were telling the group what to do,
1. Personally I would listen, because i'm just a idle watcher waiting to
heal people
2. they are not necessarily trying to bully the "newbies" (anyone else
hate that word, how bout "newly Exiled Citizens of Puddleby" or NECP for
short =)) but usually thinking of the safety and survival of the whole group
(many of times a NECP has gotten in the middle of a fight that they couldnt
possibly handle {i.e. a NECP trying to fight a flame drake (hello?)} and
gotten many people [including themselves] killed)
what you should do, as with everyone else who may read this, is
remember that in any society there are going to be many DIFFERENT people,
you have no choice but to accept this as part of the world online, and in
real life. You DONT have to like it, but you do have to accept it cuz thats
just how things are. So save us all alot of breath by, keeping comments of a
more personal nature to yourself and the people that they are directed at.
In the long run it will cause less negative debate, and, if you speak to the
offending people directly, it may change their ways.
I, in no way mean this in a condecending manner, only as my personal
perception)
Mystic Healer
Journey Into The Stars..... The Zodiac Tribe
http://members.home.net/bitstream/zodiac
Thomas Signey
That was all it took for me to take on the Legendary status I have now.
And I was the best newbie there was. I listened, and I took heed. The
person who taught me everything was named Tab. I saw him twice in my
exile here, I hear he was gobbled by orgas or something.
I listened to what he had to say I asked questions. after that I
explored. My first day in exile I had a huge adventure with my newfound
friends Sten and Martlet. There was an Artak couger terrorizing the
south forest. It took us about half an hour but together with the help
of riffraff, we exterminated it. After that I tagged behind Martlet a
lot. within that week I was killing Liches in 3 hits. I was God.
Nothing has changed since that week. If you have a problem with
my personality, tell me to my face, please. I was called condenscending
today. I was helping a group of newbies who swung just a tad too often.
I gave them pointers on balance fighting, even offered to lend them a
few books written by Balance fighter Jomamma. a few of them actually
said they didn't want me there but most were polite.
That was an attempt of mine to be helpful. I don't think I will try such
an unpleasant experiance again. I am rambling. I love my sentence
structure. good bye.
--Teioh