A simple Quake re: doom question... Maps?
GrapeApe
consider the most generic use of the word 'maps' below.
In Doom, there used to be a screen toggle to be able to view an overhead map of
the level you were playing in...
Is this still a feature available in the Quake series, or has it been abandoned
in quest of 'realism'?
I have Quake II, but if something like the 'mapping' as in Doom was a feature,
I'd never run into it, with all the emphasis on networking and other tweaks..
Jan Pieter Kunst
<grap...@aol.comjunk> wrote:
> In Doom, there used to be a screen toggle to be able to view an overhead map
> of
> the level you were playing in...
>
> Is this still a feature available in the Quake series, or has it been
> abandoned
> in quest of 'realism'?
In the Quake series this is no longer possible. I stopped missing it
after the first few levels of Quake 1.
JP
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ZnU
<dev...@cauce.org> wrote:
> In article <19991127014620...@ng-cg1.aol.com>, GrapeApe
> <grap...@aol.comjunk> wrote:
>
>
> > In Doom, there used to be a screen toggle to be able to view an
> > overhead map
> > of
> > the level you were playing in...
> >
> > Is this still a feature available in the Quake series, or has it been
> > abandoned
> > in quest of 'realism'?
>
> In the Quake series this is no longer possible. I stopped missing it
> after the first few levels of Quake 1.
Yup. It's worthless in deathmatch anyway.
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Jan Pieter Kunst
<z...@znu.dhs.org> wrote:
> In article <271119990933333039%dev...@cauce.org>, Jan Pieter Kunst
> <dev...@cauce.org> wrote:
>
> > In article <19991127014620...@ng-cg1.aol.com>, GrapeApe
> > <grap...@aol.comjunk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > In Doom, there used to be a screen toggle to be able to view an
> > > overhead map
> > > of
> > > the level you were playing in...
> > >
> > > Is this still a feature available in the Quake series, or has it been
> > > abandoned
> > > in quest of 'realism'?
> >
> > In the Quake series this is no longer possible. I stopped missing it
> > after the first few levels of Quake 1.
>
> Yup. It's worthless in deathmatch anyway.
As a tip for the original poster, I just realized that you can sort of
simulate this 'map' command by combining the 'fly' and the 'walk
through walls' cheats to give you an overhead view of the level. I
actually used this for the CTF map in the UT demo because I got lost
all the time. In Unreal/UT, type 'fly' and 'ghost' in the console; in
Quake 2, type 'noclip' in the console.
bugger
<dev...@cauce.org> wrote:
> In article <znu-9B4916.0...@news5.bellatlantic.net>, ZnU
> <z...@znu.dhs.org> wrote:
>
> > In article <271119990933333039%dev...@cauce.org>, Jan Pieter Kunst
> > <dev...@cauce.org> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <19991127014620...@ng-cg1.aol.com>, GrapeApe
> > > <grap...@aol.comjunk> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > In Doom, there used to be a screen toggle to be able to view an
> > > > overhead map
> > > > of
> > > > the level you were playing in...
> > > >
> > > > Is this still a feature available in the Quake series, or has it been
> > > > abandoned
> > > > in quest of 'realism'?
> > >
> > > In the Quake series this is no longer possible. I stopped missing it
> > > after the first few levels of Quake 1.
> >
> > Yup. It's worthless in deathmatch anyway.
>
> As a tip for the original poster, I just realized that you can sort of
> simulate this 'map' command by combining the 'fly' and the 'walk
> through walls' cheats to give you an overhead view of the level. I
> actually used this for the CTF map in the UT demo because I got lost
> all the time. In Unreal/UT, type 'fly' and 'ghost' in the console; in
> Quake 2, type 'noclip' in the console.
Aardappel has a nice page of such overviews at:
http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~wvo96r/quake/noclip.html
Has all id Q1 maps, plus the id Q2 deathmatch maps and a few from the
Hipnotic/Ritual Q1 expansion pack (Scourge of Armagon).
His main Quake-related homepage currently is:
http://www.planetquake.com/aardappel/
bugger
<dev...@cauce.org> wrote:
> In article <81vkuh$ani$1...@argon.syd.dav.net.au>, Tom Beer
> <tom....@nospam.btfinancialgroup.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > In Doom, there used to be a screen toggle to be able to view an
> > >> > > > overhead map
> > >> > > > of
> > >> > > > the level you were playing in...
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > In the Quake series this is no longer possible. I stopped missing it
> > >> > > after the first few levels of Quake 1.
> >
> > >> >
> >
> > Just out of curiosity, why is it no longer possible? I presume that it is a
> > technical limitation of a true 3d model, but I can't see what.
> >
> > Tom.
>
>
> Well, in Descent you can show a 3d map of the level you're in, so I
> don't think there are any technical limitations. Presumably it was not
> deemed 'realistic' enough.
I think it was deemed too confusing, which is easy to believe considering
how overlapping and interconnected some of the levels are.
Tom Beer
Jan Pieter Kunst
<tom....@nospam.btfinancialgroup.com> wrote:
Well, in Descent you can show a 3d map of the level you're in, so I
don't think there are any technical limitations. Presumably it was not
deemed 'realistic' enough.
JP