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Jan 31, 1989, 8:42:14 PM1/31/89
Info-Mac Digest Thu, 26 Jan 89 Volume 7 : Issue 17

Today's Topics:
Apple IIe --> Mac
AppleII to Mac file transfer
Backups of AppleShare?
C source examples of the new preferred AppleTalk interface?
Default Button Selection & Mac->Overhead Interface (2 msgs)
Expo Report
GateKeeper exceptions
II in a Mac
Keystrokes and options
Needed init to check serial ports.
Palatino screeen font problem
Rebuilding desktop file.
Removable Drives..
Tek emulators for Mac's

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Date: Thu, 26 Jan 89 13:54:29 EST
Subject: Apple IIe --> Mac

To get your data from the 2e to your Mac you will need
4 things: a SuperSerial Card for your 2e, a null modem
cable to go from you 2e to the Mac, 2 copies of Kermit (
one for the 2e and one for the Mac). Set the communications
parametes equivalently on both machines and use Kermit
to send your data from the 2e and receive your data on the
Mac. I've created a null modem cable myself and done the
transfer of ascii text files, so I know that it will work.
Call your local computer store, or drop me a line to get the
pinouts to create your own cable. Goodluck.


Date: Thu, 26 Jan 89 7:13:25 MST
From: Major John Buono <>
Subject: AppleII to Mac file transfer

>Stan Armstrong wonders:
>>I have several disks full of library data written in
>>Quickfile on the Apple IIe. My Quickfile program disk
>>has been trashed. How can I transfer that data to the
>>Mac, for use in Filemaker or similar database program?
>>There is no communications card in the Apple IIe.
>If you can get your Apple II files onto 3.5 inch ProDOS diskettes,
>by using the ProDOS utilities and an Apple with both 3.5 and 5.25" drives, then
>the Mac can read them using Apple File Exchange (which comes with the Mac
>system software). Of course this is assuming that QuickFile saved the data
>in some form that you can import into another DataBase program.
>Peter Jorgensen Microcomputer Specialist
>Computer Center Colgate University
>CompuServe 74010,1353
>Phone (315) 824-1000 ext 742
This would be nice if it worked like you state. However the Apple File
Exchange does not come with any ProDos translators, so all you end up with
is a ProDos file on the Mac, and as near as I can tell, there are NO
programs that will read a ProDos file on a Mac. At Mac Expo I searched for
someone that made translators for ProDos to Mac, like the old Passport
program. There were a lot of MS-DOS translators, but NONE for ProDos side
of the house.

Does any know of a solution to this problem?

John Buono


Date: Thu, 26 Jan 89 13:49:38 EST
Subject: Backups of AppleShare?

I'm looking for hardware/software that will allow me to backup a 300
Mg AppleShare server. Currently I'm using Network DiskFit 1.5 backing
up to several 40 Mg tapes. This is both time consuming and the
server must shut down to do it. Ideally I would like to do backups
to much larger capacity tapes and be able to do this while the server
is running. Does anyone have any experience or products to recommend
that would help this situation.

University of Michigan Computing Center


Date: Wed, 25 Jan 89 23:44:14 EST
From: (Michael Nowak)
Subject: C source examples of the new preferred AppleTalk interface?

I'm trying to experiment with AppleTalk with my shiny new Lightspeed C
compiler and I'm having trouble using the new "preferred interface" to
AppleTalk listed in Volume V. Specifically, I'm trying to write some
code to register an entity on the network, and then look for entities
of that type. I can't get it to work - it usually crashes big time
with a call to PLookupName().

Does anyone have any source code which might do such a thing that I can
use as an example? Or if someone can point me to an ftp server which
might have such an example, I'd appreciate that too. I looked at sumex
but only found an example using the "alternate" or old interface.

If you can send me mail, that'd be great.

Michael Nowak ...mailrus!shogun!mike
Workstation Consultant
U of M Computing Center User Services

...working for but in no way representing the University of Michigan...


Date: Thu, 26 Jan 89 9:38:52 EST
From: Tom Coradeschi <>
Subject: Default Button Selection & Mac->Overhead Interface

Does anyone know of a way to change the default button selections in some of
the dialog boxes we see? The one I'm really sick of mousing over to is the,
'Replace Existing "file xyz?"', when I do a 'Save As...'. The default there
is NO, and I almost never choose that option. Is that in ROM? In the system?
In each application? Once I find it, how do I change it so YES will be the

As to my last query regarding overhead projector interfaces for the mac,
thanks to all who responded, in particular, (because I remembered to save
their msgs),

Henry Greenside <>
Donald J. Gulliksen (IMD) <gull...@ARDEC.ARPA>
Sandor I. Einstein (AED-EWD) <eins...@ARDEC.ARPA>
Major John Buono <buono%asbf-imp.huachu...@HUACHUCA-EMH1.ARMY.MIL>
Bob Hale <rh...@ARDEC.ARPA>

The overwhelming consensus was: buy the Kodak Datashow. In particular, buy
the top of the line model. The cost is not much more, but apparently
resolution, and so forth is. Only real drawback, at this time, is a lack of
Mac II compatibility. Also, it isn't recommended that these devices be used
with older overhead projectors, which use quartz bulbs. The heat they create
is a real killer. There are a number of models out now with halogen bulbs.
They run much cooler. It appears that the optimal combination (assuming that
you can talk your boss into paying for it :-}) would be a Dynamac (or other
mac laptop), a Datashow, and a collapsable halogen overhead projector. The
whole thing should fit in a large valise. You do need an interface card to
your Mac+ or SE. The dealer should be able to install it.

tom c

Electromagnetic Armament Technology Branch
US Army Armament Research, Development and Engineering Center
Picatinny Arsenal, NJ 07806-5000
UUCP: ...!{uunet,rutgers}!!tcora


Date: Thu, 26 Jan 89 15:15:49 EST
From: Tom Coradeschi <>
Subject: Default Button Selection & Mac->Overhead Interface

Thanks to Ken Sussmann for this quick reply!

>Yes you can change the default if it is an alert box. For the
>"Replace existing... ? alert, use resedit to open the system
>file. Then open ALRT resource -3996. From the ALRT menu that
>appears, choose show as text. Check the boxes in front of 2 bold
>in all four places (you really only need the first one, but what
>the heck). Now close everything and save it. Reboot and your
>done. I sure hope you don't have anyone else using the machine or
>you may be losing a lot of files.
>What you have done by the above is change the default button from
>No. 1 to No. 2. Fancy applications can have up to 4 different
>alert results by checking the appropriate boxes (ie don't draw
>it, sounds, which button is the default). resedit itself uses
>this when you edit templates. If you put in an invalid response,
>when you try to close the template, it beeps at you. When you try
>to close it again without fixing the problem, it gives you an
>alert box with a brief statement of what it doesn't like.
>Good luck,


Date: Thu, 26 Jan 89 10:30:14 PST
Subject: Expo Report

Here's a short expo report. Well, for me it's short.

First, the show was massively crowded. It was hard to get up to the displays
and talk to the vendors. Except for Sunday, that is. Then the hardest place
to get to was the Electronic Arts booth. They had turned their large
Mitsubishi (which Jerry Rice finally learned to say) monitor onto the game and
quite a crowd was gathered.

Second, my favorite things were the SE/030 and Virtual, the virtual memory INIT.
They go together like spam, bacon, spam & eggs. A 2 Meg SE/030 can run like
it has all 8 Meg on board. Killer stuff. Of course rumors place this
functionality in the soon to be vaporware "new" system, so maybe these folks
will be out of a job soon. Of course, I overheard talk of patents and such.
perhaps Apple's lawyers will get something else to argue about.

The SE/030 is a Mac IIx in an SE case. Rumors say that it will sell in a
2 Meg Superdrive version without an SCSI port, or a 4 Meg 40MB version
(university pricing around $3K). For the punch, this could be a winner. If
they are serious about selling top end instead of bottom end like the market
went after their last increases then having a reasonable price is essential.

The machine has a slot (not nubus) and card manufacturers already have color
monitors working externally. Someone really needs to make a color replacement
monitor for this puppy. That boy would make a lot of money. How do I go
about getting a monitor like this? Can I call Sony? If anyone knows tell me,
I am serious about this.

Aside from the that, I got to talk to Wesley Crusher, er, I mean Wil Wheaton.
He's a Mac owner and he laments the lack of user's groups in LA. Life's tough
in Hollywood, kid. He was very nice and I think he loved the attention of
people were giving him stuff left and right. He's still a kid though and
brought his folks and a friend of his who was a stand-in (you know, one of the
people who walks down the corridors). Marina Sirtis (Counselor Troy) wasn't
as talkative. She blasted in and out without a pause, signing her autographs
in between. Mind you, she looked marvelous, but she didn't seem to want to
deal with the show or the people there. Uhuru and Checkov were there one day
too, but the crowd was too dangerous to handle. I did play the Star Trek
theme real loud a couple of times though. I was pretty obnoxious. I talked
with Wil on Sunday when the place was vacant.

The netter's dinner was very nice although a bunch of people just showed up
on the spur of the moment, so they had to sit at another table, but it worked,
so what the hell. The Hunan people burned our faces off quite well and we
missed Jeff Shulman, the human gateway, but it was still a smashing sucess.
But even better was Jasmine's party at the Gift Center afterwards. Serious
fun and a free T shirt to boot. Who can argue?

Well, enough for now. Someone else will have other impressions, I'm sure. In
particular, I would like to thank all the people who stopped by the booth
after reading this drivel. You know who you are, and I already forgot your
names, but not your faces, so please write and remind me who you are.


M A L National Magnetic Fusion Energy Computer Center
F T N Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
E L PO Box 5509 L-561
C Livermore, California 94550
C (415) 423-4239


Date: Thu, 26 Jan 89 13:41 EST
Subject: GateKeeper exceptions

I remember reading a text file of privileges certain applications needed to
function properly under GateKeeper, which seems to cause problems for StuffIt,
Font/DA mover and (I remember reading) certain applications from those
rule-benders at Microsoft. Could someone post a list of privileges needed by
popular applications or a guidelime by which to grant them?

Thank you.


Date: Thu, 26 Jan 89 11:24:03 est
From: Richard G Brewer <>
Subject: II in a Mac

In info-mac vol7 number 15, Bruce Halpern writes:

>A very serious problem with "II in a Mac" is its inability to reliably
>produce open apple-X or closed apple-X commands, where X is some additional
>key (such as ? or P or ESC). One is supposed to produce open

I'm afraid that I must disagree with this fellow- I did some extensive work
with // in a Mac over Christmas break, and had no problems with it (even in
appleworks). The trick is remembering that the open and closed apple keys are
the same as the joystick buttons on an Apple //.

>"II in a Mac" is very slow. It operates at about half the normal speed of a
>//e or //c. For anyone who is accoustomed to an accelerated //e or //c, the
>speed is a significant factor. It is said by some that it will operate at
>normal 1 MHz //e speed in a Mac II.

Sure, the software is slow, but I dont think that anyone is kidding themselves
into thinking that the performance curve of software interpretation beats an
actual 6502 coproccessor. Most people get it so that they can transfer their
files from their pre-Mac days onto the Macintosh in a format that the Mac can
read, and it is very good at that.


II in a Mac runs more than it does not. Most Apple games that come on 3.5"
disk work fine (not GS games, though), and I've even done assembly work with
it. I am very satafied with it's file transfer capabilities. It may be slow
(about 50 - 75% of that of a //e), but it is very accurate, right down to the
mini-assembler routines...



Date: Thu, 26 Jan 89 10:35 GMT
From: Ed de Moel <>
Subject: Keystrokes and options

Hi Folks,

I hate to be misunderstood, especially by people who seem to
agree with the general drift of what I want to say.

My problem is not really with the way Apply implemented their
stuff, but with HOW I get to know the nice extra features.
The fact that some menus might have just one or two extra
check-boxes is just the fine polish that would prove itself
worthwile in daily practice.

The ongoing discussion has taught us about COMMAND-F and the
post-script related things. A few days ago a friend of mine
pointed out that when you click OPTION-GOAWAY on a desk-top
window, all windows are closed. There are many more of these

As far as I understood, the MAC user interface is based on the
principle that if you want an option, you only need to point to
it with the mouse and click. This implies that all options,
relevant or not in common denominator practice, MUST be visible
on the screen, otherwise you can't point to it.
We are now confronted with the situation, and the PostScript
thing is just one example, that users KNOW something must be
possible, but have NO MEANS OF FINDING OUT HOW they should do it.
This is what I call 'not user-friendly'.

I agree with Thomas Blake that this principle may invite
programmers to create obscure menus and dialogs, but a little
'think before you write' usually prevents such things.
I am not critizizing Apple people for the way they supply the
system. I just want to make a general remark to anyone who makes
software not to hide options.

I don't intend to create a lengthy discussion on the subject. I
have one request and one promise, however. If you all supply me
with lists (yes, Jouni Santara, please do send it) of the
key-combinations and option/control + mouseclick features that
you know, I will compile them and feed them back to the net. The
need is obvious, and someone has to do the job.

Greetings for now,
Ed de Moel.

Physically: Electronically: Hybrid:
University of Utrecht BITNET: demoel@hutruu51 Phone: +31 (30) 532239
Princetonplein 5 DIALCOM: 12428:PGA005
PO BOX 80000
3508 TA Utrecht
The Netherlands


Date: Tuesday, 24 Jan 1989 12:51:51 EST
From: (Craig M. DeRose)
Subject: Needed init to check serial ports.

Info-mac, I need a init or startup appl. that checks the serial ports for
connections and halts bootup if the ports are connected to a network.
Such as AppleTalk or a Modem. And continues to check the ports while
notifing the user to pull the connections. If it were smart enough to
recognize a laserWriter and accept it but reject any other nodes, that
would be even better.

Has anyone done this before or is it possible to accomplish?
Any help or pointers would be appreciated.
* Craig M. DeRose TeleCo: 703/883-7229
* The MITRE Corporation
* 7525 Colshire Drive ARPA:
* McLean, VA 22102-3481 APPLELINK: N0764
* Mail/Stop Z331


Date: Thu, 26 Jan 89 10:45:14 PST
From: Francois Felix INGRAND <>
Subject: Palatino screeen font problem

I have downloaded some Adobe screen fonts from SUMEX and ran in this problem:

- I downloaded the fonts
- copy all of them in a new font file using font/da mover 3.8 (this is
suppose to correct some problems of empty ...)
- run font-harmonizer (suitcase) with the merging option ON (but not
for the narrowed family) (at this time my system had not font in it)
- install the fonts in the "empty-font" system (only the 3 fonts which
are in the Mac II roms).

in my fonts menu, everything is fine (I only see the family name),
except that I have a:

BI palatino bo...

which should not be here... (this font should be merged in palatino).

Any solutions?

Moreover, I would like to know if it is possible to add bigger size
screen fonts (from Power-Point for example)? The reason why I am
asking that is that I read somewhere that before installing these
adobe fonts, you have to make sure that your are getting all the Apple
fonts out of your system... But it does not say if you can put some back...

Thanks in advance,



Date: Thu, 26 Jan 89 14:28:41 GMT
From: (Steve Lamont)
Subject: PostAAAAArrgggh!

I prostrate myself at your feet, oh Mac Gurus...

My humble, most miserable question is this: Why, oh why, is it that even though
I can generate PICT files from Cricket Graph which have color embedded in their
command streams and import them into whatever application I care to, still
showing color on the monitor, I cannot cause my QMS Colorscript 100 printer
to excrete the imported images in anything other than monochrome (i.e., black
on white), even though any text and/or images I generate from the importing
application do, themselves, come out in color.

To clarify:

I (actually I don't but a lab assistant friend of mine does) generate a
graph with Cricket Graph.

The file is saved in PICT format; the other option is in Cricket Graph
internal format, not importable to anything other than Cricket Graph.

I then fire up some application which can ingest PICT files, call it

I diddle around in MacFoo, adding text or other embellishments, using

I then attempt to print to our QMS Colorscript 100 color printer. I get
color text and black and white graphs.

What am I doing wrong? Is Cricket Graph partially brain damaged? Is
MacFoo? Theories, Mr Spock?


Bitnet: lamonts@sdsc

Disclaimer: You can't get there from here.


Date: Thu, 26 Jan 89 9:55:36 EST
From: Tom Coradeschi <>
Subject: Rebuilding desktop file.

A better solution to the huge desktop problem is to use DiskExpress to
rebuild the desktop. It will do so without deleting any comments you may
have added in 'Get Info' windows. Worth every penny of the $29.95 it cost

tom c

Bill the Cat sez: "Remember. If some weirdo in a blue suit offers you some
ARPA: UUCP:...!{uunet,rutgers}!!tcora


Date: Wednesday, 25 Jan 1989 13:14:23 EST
From: (Anup Patel)
Subject: Removable Drives..

I am not sure if this has been discussed before, but are there any removable
hard drives available for a Macintosh? I am looking for something equivelant
to the PC's removable hard drive (i.e. Passport from Plus development).

I am not looking for Bernoulli type media. I am looking for hard drives that
can be removed from its casing.

I can be reached at:, or

Any help is appreciated.

Anup Patel
The MITRE Corp.
McLean, VA 22102
(703) 883-7002


Date: Thu 26 Jan 1989 15:44 CDT
From: Fred Seaton - WIU 309/298-1681 <>
Subject: Tek emulators for Mac's

Can anyone suggest a good Tek emulator for a Mac? I was hoping Mac Kermit
would support this (since MS-KERMIT does), but since it doesn't, I'm forced
to look elsewhere.

Public domain is preferred, but not required. I've heard that Versaterm Pro
is supposed to be a good emulator that even supports Color and also the
132 column mode on the vt100 emulation. However, I'd like to know the name
of the company that supports it (and a phone number, if possible), not a


Fred Seaton
Academic Computing
Western Illinois University


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