Newer program to read ClarisDraw files?

[Paul Magnussen]

Some day my old PowerPC Macs are going to bite the dust, and I'm looking
for a way to upgrade from ClarisDraw; but I can't seem to find anything.

Suggestions, please?

Paul Magnussen

[Jolly Roger]

I would convert them to a more widely supported format on the old
machines now while you still can. Various software applications can read
or import ClarisDraw files. It looks like Intaglio is one of them:

<http://www.purgatorydesign.com/Intaglio/Help/English/Intaglio%20Help/Pages/Conversion.html>

I'm sure there are others. I hardly did a comprehensive web search. I'll
leave that as an exercise for you. ; )

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[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-01-08, Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> was all, like:

>> On 2015-01-08, Paul Magnussen <magic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Some day my old PowerPC Macs are going to bite the dust, and I'm looking
>>> for a way to upgrade from ClarisDraw; but I can't seem to find anything.
>>>
>>> Suggestions, please?
>
>> I would convert them to a more widely supported format on the old
>> machines now while you still can. Various software applications can read
>> or import ClarisDraw files. It looks like Intaglio is one of them:
>
>> <http://www.purgatorydesign.com/Intaglio/Help/English/Intaglio%20Help/Pages/Conversion.html>
>
>> I'm sure there are others. I hardly did a comprehensive web search. I'll
>> leave that as an exercise for you. ; )
>

> Didn't the OS X version of AppleWorks read them and convert them?

Probably; but AppleWorks no longer runs on the latest versions of Mac OS X,
right? I think I'd convert them to something more current, if possible.

[Fred McKenzie]

In article <ch8i4n...@mid.individual.net>,

Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-01-08, Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> was
> > all, like:
> >> On 2015-01-08, Paul Magnussen <magic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>> Some day my old PowerPC Macs are going to bite the dust, and I'm looking
> >>> for a way to upgrade from ClarisDraw; but I can't seem to find anything.
> >>>
> >>> Suggestions, please?
> >
> >> I would convert them to a more widely supported format on the old
> >> machines now while you still can. Various software applications can read
> >> or import ClarisDraw files. It looks like Intaglio is one of them:
> >
> >> <http://www.purgatorydesign.com/Intaglio/Help/English/Intaglio%20Help/Pages
> >> /Conversion.html>
> >
> >> I'm sure there are others. I hardly did a comprehensive web search. I'll
> >> leave that as an exercise for you. ; )
> >
> > Didn't the OS X version of AppleWorks read them and convert them?
>
> Probably; but AppleWorks no longer runs on the latest versions of Mac OS X,
> right? I think I'd convert them to something more current, if possible.

As I recall, you could open a file using ClarisDraw, select all, copy,
and then paste into a draw document in ClarisWorks/AppleWorks. The
conversion was perfect, as far as I could tell. I don't remember that
the Works program could open ClarisDraw documents directly, but it has
been a few years. (I wonder if it would have worked if the file
type/creator was changed?)

I have tried Intaglio and EazyDraw on AppleWorks Draw documents with
limited success. They sort of work, but it is not a perfect conversion.
Either may be useable as a vector graphics program, but their user
interfaces are nowhere near as friendly as
ClarisDraw/ClarisWorks/AppleWorks. I do not remember trying either with
a ClarisDraw document.

I forget which, but one of the two may have been upgraded to a version
that would no longer open AppleWorks documents.

Fred

[Erilar]

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> was all, like:

>> On 2015-01-08, Paul Magnussen <magic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Some day my old PowerPC Macs are going to bite the dust, and I'm looking
>>> for a way to upgrade from ClarisDraw; but I can't seem to find anything.
>>>
>>> Suggestions, please?
>
>> I would convert them to a more widely supported format on the old
>> machines now while you still can. Various software applications can read
>> or import ClarisDraw files. It looks like Intaglio is one of them:
>
>> <http://www.purgatorydesign.com/Intaglio/Help/English/Intaglio%20Help/Pages/Conversion.html>
>
>> I'm sure there are others. I hardly did a comprehensive web search. I'll
>> leave that as an exercise for you. ; )
>

> Didn't the OS X version of AppleWorks read them and convert them?

It will open them as long as you don't go beyond OS 10.8.6, just barely. I
had moved up to AW 10 on my 9.2.2 G4 when I bought the OSX laptop and used
it on both via local wifi until an OSX "up"grade I needed for an iPad
killed that possibility. AW 10 will open ClarisWorks document including
ClarisDraw. Pages can open and convert some AW documents, but not any saved
as drawings.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

[ErikRS]

GraphicConverter can still convert these files into various output formats.

<http://www.lemkesoft.de/en/image-editing-slideshow-browser-batch-conversion-metadata-and-more-on-your-mac/>

Cheers, Erik Richard

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[Jamie Kahn Genet]

Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-01-08, Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> was
> > all, like:
> >> On 2015-01-08, Paul Magnussen <magic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>> Some day my old PowerPC Macs are going to bite the dust, and I'm looking
> >>> for a way to upgrade from ClarisDraw; but I can't seem to find anything.
> >>>
> >>> Suggestions, please?
> >
> >> I would convert them to a more widely supported format on the old
> >> machines now while you still can. Various software applications can read
> >> or import ClarisDraw files. It looks like Intaglio is one of them:
> >
> >> <http://www.purgatorydesign.com/Intaglio/Help/English/Intaglio%20Help/P
> >> ages/Conversion.html>
> >
> >> I'm sure there are others. I hardly did a comprehensive web search. I'll
> >> leave that as an exercise for you. ; )
> >
> > Didn't the OS X version of AppleWorks read them and convert them?
>
> Probably; but AppleWorks no longer runs on the latest versions of Mac OS X,
> right? I think I'd convert them to something more current, if possible.

It did. I still run OS X 10.6.8 so AppleWorks 6 is all I need for
compatibility, and GraphicConverter has me covered for quick drawing on
photos. I did try a few modern ClarisDraw replacements including
Intaglio and Lineform (dead now, I think), but in the end my drawing
needs were so simple and AppleWorks still runs for me, that I didn't
feel I needed to bother. But Intaglio was certainly a perfectly good and
easy to use app :-)
--
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

[Jamie Kahn Genet]

Also it might be worth pointing out that I had success running both
ClarisWorks 5 and AppleWorks 6 (and I'm sure other versions as well as
ClarisDraw itself will run just fine) in SheepShaver. While my
experience emulating classic MacOS failed dismally for games, it worked
well for the serious classic Mac apps I tried.

[ErikRS]

Lewis wrote:
> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> was all, like:

>> On 2015-01-08, Paul Magnussen <magic...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Some day my old PowerPC Macs are going to bite the dust, and I'm looking
>>> for a way to upgrade from ClarisDraw; but I can't seem to find anything.
>>>
>>> Suggestions, please?
>
>> I would convert them to a more widely supported format on the old
>> machines now while you still can. Various software applications can read
>> or import ClarisDraw files. It looks like Intaglio is one of them:
>
>> <http://www.purgatorydesign.com/Intaglio/Help/English/Intaglio%20Help/Pages/Conversion.html>
>
>> I'm sure there are others. I hardly did a comprehensive web search. I'll
>> leave that as an exercise for you. ; )
>

> Didn't the OS X version of AppleWorks read them and convert them?

Yes and no... The ver. 6.2.8/6.2.9 does read these files as long as they
are installed on a PPC Mac with OS +9.1 and up to and including OS X
10.4.11. From the OS X 10.5.x the ClarisDraw and MacDraw extensions no
longer work.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-01-09, Jamie Kahn Genet <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
>
> Also it might be worth pointing out that I had success running both
> ClarisWorks 5 and AppleWorks 6 (and I'm sure other versions as well as
> ClarisDraw itself will run just fine) in SheepShaver.

Good to know! Thanks for that info.

[PhillipJones]

ErikRS wrote:
>
> Paul Magnussen wrote:
>> Some day my old PowerPC Macs are going to bite the dust, and I'm looking
>> for a way to upgrade from ClarisDraw; but I can't seem to find anything.
>>
>> Suggestions, please?
>
> GraphicConverter can still convert these files into various output formats.
>
> <http://www.lemkesoft.de/en/image-editing-slideshow-browser-batch-conversion-metadata-and-more-on-your-mac/>
>
>
> Cheers, Erik Richard
>

Great Program and been on market a long time I've upgrade through
several versions and at least three Macs. The author is great to fix
reported Bugs which have been very few and very far between.

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http://www.phillipmjones.net mailto:pjon...@comcast.net
http://phillipjones-cet.net/

[ErikRS]

PhillipJones wrote:
> ErikRS wrote:
>> Paul Magnussen wrote:
>>> Some day my old PowerPC Macs are going to bite the dust, and I'm looking
>>> for a way to upgrade from ClarisDraw; but I can't seem to find anything.
>>>
>>> Suggestions, please?
>>
>> GraphicConverter can still convert these files into various output
>> formats.
>>
>> <http://www.lemkesoft.de/en/image-editing-slideshow-browser-batch-conversion-metadata-and-more-on-your-mac/>
>

> Great Program and been on market a long time I've upgrade through
> several versions and at least three Macs. The author is great to fix
> reported Bugs which have been very few and very far between.

I think my first version was a ver. 1.1 or 1.2 way back in 1993/94 in
the 68k days. Ran it on a PowerBook 165. - And now I'm up to a ver.
7.6.2 on two MacPros and a PowerBook G4. GC is now also localized into
14 different languages.

Through all these years I've only 'missed' one single graphics file
format - the one from the old 68k-only application "CricketDraw III
v.1.5". The CricketDraw III was a System 6.0.7/8 app that also worked on
System 7.1, so luckily I've been able to convert the few graphics made
with that app into PCX/PIC using the CricketDraw on my PowerBook 165
which I still have on the shelves.

[Jim]

In article <chb8nj...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger

<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-01-09, Jamie Kahn Genet <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> >
> > Also it might be worth pointing out that I had success running both
> > ClarisWorks 5 and AppleWorks 6 (and I'm sure other versions as well as
> > ClarisDraw itself will run just fine) in SheepShaver.
>
> Good to know! Thanks for that info.

ClarisDraw does work fine in SheepShaver. I am currently using it in
Yosemite without problems. For those that need tips, see this link:

http://www.redundantrobot.com/sheepshaver-tutorial/

--
Jim

[Paul Magnussen]

Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:

> I still run OS X 10.6.8 so AppleWorks 6 is all I need for
> compatibility

I seem to have a problem then: I have Appleworks 6 but it won't open
ClarisDraw docs (nor MacDraw docs), even when I select "All Types" and
"All Available" in the open dialogue box; they're greyed out.

The "File Format" dropdown menu give me a list from 3GP2 to Word Windows
97, but not those.

Paul Magnussen

[A N Niel]

In article <m8pkke$hgm$1...@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-...@is.invalid>
wrote:

> Paul Magnussen wrote:
> > Some day my old PowerPC Macs are going to bite the dust, and I'm looking
> > for a way to upgrade from ClarisDraw; but I can't seem to find anything.
> >
> > Suggestions, please?
>
> GraphicConverter can still convert these files into various output formats.
>
>
> <http://www.lemkesoft.de/en/image-editing-slideshow-browser-batch-conversion-m
> etadata-and-more-on-your-mac/>
>
> Cheers, Erik Richard

... and I keep a copy of GraphicCoverter version 8 around for
converting certain formats (e.g. some PICT files) that the current
version of GraphicConverter won't.

[David Empson]

That's probably because AppleWorks 6 itself doesn't read ClarisDraw
documents, but the MacLinkPlus file format translators included with
AppleWorks 5/6 when it runs in Mac OS 9 or earlier _do_ support
ClarisDraw.

When AppleWorks 6 runs in Mac OS X it has a much smaller set of
translators available, since many of the bundled translators were never
ported to Mac OS X.

A full installation of MacLinkPlus Deluxe might add the necessary
support, but I haven't investigated, and that product is no longer
available anyway.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[ErikRS]

As I wrote, this stopped with OS X 10.4.x. After this the ClarisDraw and
MacDraw file extensions stopped working on AWKS 6.x. - I've had the same
problem... So Graphic Converter will still be the best solution.

[Jamie Kahn Genet]

ErikRS <mac-...@is.invalid> wrote:

> Paul Magnussen wrote:
> > Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> >> I still run OS X 10.6.8 so AppleWorks 6 is all I need for
> >> compatibility
> >
> > I seem to have a problem then: I have Appleworks 6 but it won't open
> > ClarisDraw docs (nor MacDraw docs), even when I select "All Types" and
> > "All Available" in the open dialogue box; they're greyed out.
> >
> > The "File Format" dropdown menu give me a list from 3GP2 to Word Windows
> > 97, but not those.
>
> As I wrote, this stopped with OS X 10.4.x. After this the ClarisDraw and
> MacDraw file extensions stopped working on AWKS 6.x. - I've had the same
> problem... So Graphic Converter will still be the best solution.
>
> Cheers, Erik Richard

Ah, well, there ya go. I didn't know what I was on about :-) Sorry. It's
been years since I actually needed to Use AppleWorks to open such a
file.

[Jamie Kahn Genet]

You may be right - I've always had the full set of translators
installed. I did not always have Windows readily available, so it was
useful to be able to handle most of the different MS file formats people
would inevitably send me, plus open old files I'd run across in my
adventures with older software. It's amazing how often someone would
write a ReadMe in something other than SimpleText or plain text, for
example.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2015-01-11, Jamie Kahn Genet <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> It's amazing how often someone would
> write a ReadMe in something other than SimpleText or plain text, for
> example.

The one I always love is someone sending me an image in a freaking
Microsoft *Word* document. Silly. : D

[Jamie Kahn Genet]

Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-01-11, Jamie Kahn Genet <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> > It's amazing how often someone would
> > write a ReadMe in something other than SimpleText or plain text, for
> > example.
>
> The one I always love is someone sending me an image in a freaking
> Microsoft *Word* document. Silly. : D

Heh. Yeah I had a struggle with my mother and grandmother both, trying
to convince them just to save stuff like a graphic grabbed from the web,
as a file itself. Or put it into iPhoto if they must. But both wanted to
store them with other jpegs, pngs, and gifs, etc, copy and pasted into a
word processing document. In a way I guess it made sense - they both
still barely use the Finder, and treat Apple Pages as access to all
files (which of course causes trouble when Pages can't handle the
format).
I blame Microsoft (both were previously Windows users) for allowing
users to treat the Open and Save file dialogs as Windows Explorer
windows - you can drag, drop, delete, rename, etc, all within the dialog
:-)

I think the worst ReadMe I ever encountered was done in - I kid you not
- MS Works for Mac, as a... take a seat, you may need it... DATABASE
file. Why I bothered to find a way to open it, I shall never know.
Morbid curiosity, perhaps.

I can tell you all it turned out to be was a few graphics and text
overlaid said graphics. The sort of thing easily done in the word
processing module with it's drawing tools. But the creator apparently
being the highly confused sort, created it in the freaking database
module.

Incredibly the Marathon (Bungie pre-Halo FPS for Mac) map it was the
ReadMe too wasn't complete garbage! It was nothing worth keeping either,
but how someone can manage to learn a rather complex 2.5D map making
tool, and then be incompetent enough to create the ReadMe in MS Works
for Mac database module... well, I just don't know :-D

[Jolly Roger]

Reminds me of my days working in the prepress field, when occasionally
someone would send business cards in Word documents, or entire
*newsletters* in Adobe Illustrator, some ancient version of Corel Draw,
or Microsoft Publisher, and so on. Entirely goofy, and such a pain in
the ass!!

[android]

Paul Magnussen <magic...@earthlink.net> Wrote in message:

I did
a simple search and found this... Never tried it. Wanna be
guineapig? ;-)
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