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Paul Findon

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Jun 25, 2004, 4:45:56 AM6/25/04
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Fellow FrameMaker Users,

As you have no doubt heard, Adobe Systems has discontinued FrameMaker for
the Macintosh, and there has been no announcement regarding a version for
Mac OS X. My company is 99% Mac, 99% FrameMaker, so this is very
disappointing news for us. Personally, I have used FrameMaker on the Mac
every working day for the last 11 years, and I still think it's a fantastic
product. Adobe has offered a cross-grade to the Windows version, but this is
not an option for us.

If, like me, you want Adobe to develop and release a version of FrameMaker
for Mac OS X, please sign the online petition that I've set up.

<http://www.PetitionOnline.com/fmforosx/petition.html>.

Please forward this message to all FrameMaker users you know.

Thank you for your support

Paul

Dave Hinz

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Jun 25, 2004, 7:55:47 AM6/25/04
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:45:56 +0100, Paul Findon <pfi...@infopage.net> wrote:
> for Mac OS X, please sign the online petition that I've set up.
><http://www.PetitionOnline.com/fmforosx/petition.html>.

You know, all of the sudden, I see a deluge of petitiononline posts just
like this. Has anyone seen one come from a regular participant of the
group they're posting to?

George Williams

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Jun 25, 2004, 12:15:44 PM6/25/04
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Paul Findon wrote:

> As you have no doubt heard, Adobe Systems has discontinued FrameMaker

I think one is supposed to post these things at one of
the lunatic fringe groups, e.g. mac.advocacy or whatever
they call it.
But be of good cheer. Adobe is not stupid. I daresay, even now
they are trying to dump the white elephant on some other gullible
software company. After all, look at what happened to Bryce.
After deserting the Mac platform, they finally managed to sell
it to a 3D-modelling company called "Daz".

Steve Hix

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Jun 25, 2004, 2:34:18 PM6/25/04
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In article <BD01A4D4.D588%pfi...@infopage.net>,
Paul Findon <pfi...@infopage.net> wrote:

> Fellow FrameMaker Users,
>
> As you have no doubt heard, Adobe Systems has discontinued FrameMaker for
> the Macintosh, and there has been no announcement regarding a version for
> Mac OS X. My company is 99% Mac, 99% FrameMaker, so this is very
> disappointing news for us.

You're wasting your time. Adobe hasn't touched FrameMaker for Mac for
the better part of two years. They don't care.

It could be worse...you could be using FM on Unix.

And be expecting Adobe to support it.

MP

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Jun 25, 2004, 4:08:59 PM6/25/04
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In article <40DC4FB0...@mac.com>,
George Williams <nyar1a...@mac.com> wrote:

> I daresay, even now
> they are trying to dump the white elephant on some other gullible
> software company.

Ah, if only they would. For what it does--long and complex
documents--FrameMaker can't be beat for speed, power, and predictability.

When it comes to FrameMaker, Adobe's management has four problems:

1. Monopoly arrogance much like Microsoft

2. Secretly, they wish everyone would dump Macs and move to Windows,
simplifying their life and increasing their profits.

3. They see FrameMaker as a competitor to InDesign.

4. FrameMaker has no real competition, hence nothing driving Adobe to
improve it. I have a book for FM 4.0 on Unix (before Adobe bought it)
and the program then is almost identical to FM 7.0 for Macs.

I suspect when the open source community finally gets word processing
ironed out, they'd move on to creating something like FrameMaker. It
would make a lot of sense for several large companies of the
Boeing/Toyota/IBM class to hire some clever guys to create just such a
beast.

--Mike Perry, Inkling Books, Seattle

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Robert Love

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Jul 2, 2004, 10:38:11 PM7/2/04
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In <BD01A4D4.D588%pfi...@infopage.net> Paul Findon wrote:
> Fellow FrameMaker Users,
>

Give it a rest. Adobe has turned its back on us. Don't lose your
dignity by begging. The program was expensive and Adobe is arrogant.

I went with TeX and am happy.

Jerry Kindall

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Jul 2, 2004, 11:03:38 PM7/2/04
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In article <20040702213...@library.airnews.net>, Robert Love
<rbl...@airmail.net> wrote:

> In <BD01A4D4.D588%pfi...@infopage.net> Paul Findon wrote:
> > Fellow FrameMaker Users,
>
> Give it a rest. Adobe has turned its back on us. Don't lose your
> dignity by begging. The program was expensive and Adobe is arrogant.

I fortunately do not really need a Mac version of this progarm anymore,
since I now work at a Windows shop, but if I was still freelancing, I'd
surely sign the partition. Actually, what the hell, I just went and
"signed" it. I do still use the program from time to time under
Classic as it's still the most capable page layout program I own.

I do find it amusing that Adobe is apparently finding it difficult to
port a UNIX program to UNIX. I'd even take an X Windows version of
FrameMaker if they can't be arsed to put an Aqua UI on it, given that
Apple now provides an X server.

--
Jerry Kindall, Seattle, WA <http://www.jerrykindall.com/>

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Andy McMullin

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Jul 5, 2004, 5:39:36 AM7/5/04
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On 2004-07-03 04:03:38 +0100, Jerry Kindall <jerryk...@nospam.invalid> said:

>
> I do find it amusing that Adobe is apparently finding it difficult to
> port a UNIX program to UNIX. I'd even take an X Windows version of
> FrameMaker if they can't be arsed to put an Aqua UI on it, given that
> Apple now provides an X server.

I find it even stranger because I started using FrameMaker on the NeXT
workstation -- and in those first days, it really was rocket science to
get things running on that platform (although it got much easier as the
experience levels grew and there were more people to work on the
problems).

--
Regards
Andy, G8TQH
http://www.rickham.net/

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