Viewing Keynote's *.key files under Mac OS X v10.8.5?

[Ant]

Hello.

I am trying to view a 19.9 MB Keypoint's .key file (can't share it in
public too) in an updated Mac OS X v10.8.5, but Preview doesn't seem to
show anything in terms of presentation slides, interactions, etc. I read
that it can be done. Am I missing something?

Thank you in advance. :)
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In article <7-adnSdhFuxGJC_I...@earthlink.com>, Ant

<ANT...@zimage.com> wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> I am trying to view a 19.9 MB Keypoint's .key file (can't share it in
> public too) in an updated Mac OS X v10.8.5, but Preview doesn't seem to
> show anything in terms of presentation slides, interactions, etc. I read
> that it can be done. Am I missing something?
>
> Thank you in advance. :)

Keypoint, or Keynote??

If you mean a Keynote presentation, then you just need to open it in
Keynote. QuickLook will likely display it, but I'm not sure that
Preview can. Nothing else can though.

Keypoint is an app for making / playing presentations on iOS devices
(there are also at least two more apps using the name Keypoint in their
titles too). I don't know what, if anything else, can open those.

There is a website that claims to convert .key files to .ppt
(Powerpoint) files, but you'd have to upload it so the site can convert
it.

[Ant]

>> I am trying to view a 19.9 MB Keypoint's .key file (can't share it in
>> public too) in an updated Mac OS X v10.8.5, but Preview doesn't seem to
>> show anything in terms of presentation slides, interactions, etc. I read
>> that it can be done. Am I missing something?
>>
>> Thank you in advance. :)
>
> Keypoint, or Keynote??

Crap. I meant Keynote. Sorry! Confusing name since I never used it before.

> If you mean a Keynote presentation, then you just need to open it in
> Keynote. QuickLook will likely display it, but I'm not sure that
> Preview can. Nothing else can though.

Oh. I read Preview can, but I couldn't get Mac OS X v10.8.5's to show
anything from the 19.9 MB file.

> Keypoint is an app for making / playing presentations on iOS devices
> (there are also at least two more apps using the name Keypoint in their
> titles too). I don't know what, if anything else, can open those.
>
> There is a website that claims to convert .key files to .ppt
> (Powerpoint) files, but you'd have to upload it so the site can convert
> it.

Yeah, but this is a private file. Even my client (export/sav)ed her .key
file as PPTX and PDF files, but no interaction features like in the
original KEY file. :(

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In article <brKdnaSxurk9nC7I...@earthlink.com>, Ant

<a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am trying to view a 19.9 MB Keypoint's .key file (can't share it in
> >> public too) in an updated Mac OS X v10.8.5, but Preview doesn't seem to
> >> show anything in terms of presentation slides, interactions, etc. I read
> >> that it can be done. Am I missing something?
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance. :)
> >
> > Keypoint, or Keynote??
>
> Crap. I meant Keynote. Sorry! Confusing name since I never used it before.
>
>
> > If you mean a Keynote presentation, then you just need to open it in
> > Keynote. QuickLook will likely display it, but I'm not sure that
> > Preview can. Nothing else can though.
>
> Oh. I read Preview can, but I couldn't get Mac OS X v10.8.5's to show
> anything from the 19.9 MB file.

The most likely answer is that your client is using a new version of
Keynote that isn't recognised by your older version of Preview.

> > There is a website that claims to convert .key files to .ppt
> > (Powerpoint) files, but you'd have to upload it so the site can convert
> > it.
>
> Yeah, but this is a private file. Even my client (export/sav)ed her .key
> file as PPTX and PDF files, but no interaction features like in the
> original KEY file. :(

You won't get interaction with a PDF. It's the same as printing the
presentation.

Saving to a Powerpoint will get most of the presentation, but there are
things that Keynote can do that simply don't translate to Powerpoint
(and vice-versa).

Other than getting the same / newer version of Keynote that she has
(which likely means a newer Mac as well), the Powerpoint version is
really the only option.

Potentially you might be able to try the web-version of Keynote, but
that may well require a newer Mac / Mac OS as well.

[David Empson]

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> >> I am trying to view a 19.9 MB Keypoint's .key file (can't share it in
> >> public too) in an updated Mac OS X v10.8.5, but Preview doesn't seem to
> >> show anything in terms of presentation slides, interactions, etc. I read
> >> that it can be done. Am I missing something?
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance. :)
> >
> > Keypoint, or Keynote??
>
> Crap. I meant Keynote. Sorry! Confusing name since I never used it before.
>
>
> > If you mean a Keynote presentation, then you just need to open it in
> > Keynote. QuickLook will likely display it, but I'm not sure that
> > Preview can. Nothing else can though.
>
> Oh. I read Preview can, but I couldn't get Mac OS X v10.8.5's to show
> anything from the 19.9 MB file.

Preview on Mountain Lion can't open Keynote documents in the format used
by Keynote 6.0 or later, but it can open Keynote document in older
formats.

Keynote has been through 6 major versions and one minor update, and each
version has changed the file format in some way without changing the
extension on the filename (.key).

You can't easily tell which version of Keynote is needed to open a
particular document without the originator of the document telling you.

History:

Keynote '08 (version 4.x) documents are packages (folder containing
multiple folders and files, which looks like a single file in Finder). I
haven't used earlier versions so I don't know how far back this was the
case. Packages are a nuisance because they can't be sent reliably as
email attachments or uploaded to web servers without zipping the
document first.

Keynote '09 (version 5.x) is the last version which can open documents
saved by earlier versions. (It can save in Keynote '08 and '06 formats
so it can at least open those formats. Not sure about earlier versions.)
Keynote '09 documents are a single file, which is actually a zip file
containing a folder/file structure similar to (but not compatible with)
Keynote '08 files.

Keynote 6.0 (subsequently updated as far as 6.2.2) was released
alongside OS X 10.9 Mavericks and requires Mavericks. It can open and
save Keynote '09 files (with some conversion issues) as well as its own
format. It can't open or save Keynote '08 or earlier files. For some
reason, this version went back to saving documents as packages. This
version also dropped a lot of features, so some people kept using
Keynote '09 rather than using the new version.

Keynote 6.5 (updated to 6.5.3 so far) was released alongside OS X 10.10
Yosemite and requires Yosemite. It can open and save Keynote '09 files
(with some conversion issues), as well as its own format. This version
reverted to using a single file (zipped) with the ability to change the
format between package and single file. The package variant can be
opened by Keynote 6.0.x - 6.2.x.

Preview support (tested by experimentation):

Preview opening Keynote presentations was a new feature in OS X 10.7
Lion. For Lion and Mountain Lion, it supports Keynote '08 and Keynote
'09 documents, but not newer versions. I didn't test earlier documents.

Preview in OS X 10.9 Mavericks can also open Keynote 6.0.x - 6.2.x
documents (and probably 6.5.x documents saved in package format), but it
can't open Keynote 6.5.x documents in single file format.

Preview in OS X 10.10 Yosemite can also open Keynote 6.5.x documents in
single file format.

Getting back to your specific case:

In this case, you probably have a document saved by Keynote 6.0 or
later, so you can't view it in Preview on Mountain Lion.

Potential solutions:

(a) Upgrade to OS X 10.10 Yosemite.

(b) Ask the person who sent you the document to export a copy in Keynote
'09 format and send that to you.

(c) Ask the person who sent you the document to export a copy as PDF and
send that to you. This will lose some detail from the presentation.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Ant]

...

>>> If you mean a Keynote presentation, then you just need to open it in
>>> Keynote. QuickLook will likely display it, but I'm not sure that
>>> Preview can. Nothing else can though.
>>
>> Oh. I read Preview can, but I couldn't get Mac OS X v10.8.5's to show
>> anything from the 19.9 MB file.
>
> The most likely answer is that your client is using a new version of
> Keynote that isn't recognised by your older version of Preview.

Ah. So, it would need relased Mac OS X v10.9 or v10.10 prerelease then. :(

>>> There is a website that claims to convert .key files to .ppt
>>> (Powerpoint) files, but you'd have to upload it so the site can convert
>>> it.
>>
>> Yeah, but this is a private file. Even my client (export/sav)ed her .key
>> file as PPTX and PDF files, but no interaction features like in the
>> original KEY file. :(
>
> You won't get interaction with a PDF. It's the same as printing the
> presentation.
>
> Saving to a Powerpoint will get most of the presentation, but there are
> things that Keynote can do that simply don't translate to Powerpoint
> (and vice-versa).
>
> Other than getting the same / newer version of Keynote that she has
> (which likely means a newer Mac as well), the Powerpoint version is
> really the only option.

Does PowerPoint even have interactions? I didn't see it when I tried the
PPTX version in Mac Office 2010.

> Potentially you might be able to try the web-version of Keynote, but
> that may well require a newer Mac / Mac OS as well.

Is that free and where is it to try it?

[Ant]

>>> If you mean a Keynote presentation, then you just need to open it in
>>> Keynote. QuickLook will likely display it, but I'm not sure that
>>> Preview can. Nothing else can though.
>>
>> Oh. I read Preview can, but I couldn't get Mac OS X v10.8.5's to show
>> anything from the 19.9 MB file.
>
> Preview on Mountain Lion can't open Keynote documents in the format used
> by Keynote 6.0 or later, but it can open Keynote document in older
> formats.
>
> Keynote has been through 6 major versions and one minor update, and each
> version has changed the file format in some way without changing the
> extension on the filename (.key).
>
> You can't easily tell which version of Keynote is needed to open a
> particular document without the originator of the document telling you.

Great. :(

What about v10.9.x?

>
> (b) Ask the person who sent you the document to export a copy in Keynote
> '09 format and send that to you.

Do I assume that easy for her to do in the software to downgrade the
format version?

> (c) Ask the person who sent you the document to export a copy as PDF and
> send that to you. This will lose some detail from the presentation.

I do have her PDF and PPTX formats, but no interactions that she told me
about. :/

[David Empson]

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> >>> If you mean a Keynote presentation, then you just need to open it in
> >>> Keynote. QuickLook will likely display it, but I'm not sure that
> >>> Preview can. Nothing else can though.
> >>
> >> Oh. I read Preview can, but I couldn't get Mac OS X v10.8.5's to show
> >> anything from the 19.9 MB file.
> >
> > Preview on Mountain Lion can't open Keynote documents in the format used
> > by Keynote 6.0 or later, but it can open Keynote document in older
> > formats.
> >
> > Keynote has been through 6 major versions and one minor update, and each
> > version has changed the file format in some way without changing the
> > extension on the filename (.key).
> >
> > You can't easily tell which version of Keynote is needed to open a
> > particular document without the originator of the document telling you.
>
> Great. :(
>

[...]

> > Potential solutions:
> >
> > (a) Upgrade to OS X 10.10 Yosemite.
>
> What about v10.9.x?

Not a lot of point at this stage.

1. If you didn't get OS X 10.9 Mavericks from App Store while it was
available (before the release of Yosemite in October 2014) then you
can't get it now.

2. If this document was saved by the Yosemite version of Keynote (which
is quite likely), then the Mavericks version of Preview (or Keynote)
won't open it either.

A couple of side notes:

1. Assuming Apple sticks to their timing pattern of the last two years,
your current system, OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion, will get its final
security update in September this year. You will need to upgrade to
Mavericks or later to keep getting security updates. Mavericks would add
one year to the cutoff.

2. If you haven't got OS X 10.10 Yosemite from the App Store yet, and
might want to install that version in future, you should get it soon
while it is still available (even if you don't install it straight away
- you can quit the installer when it shows the initial screen with the
Continue button). You might want to wait until after 10.10.5 is released
so the installer you download is the final minor version, but we don't
know how long a gap there will be between 10.10.5 and the release of OS
X 10.11 El Capitan (at which point Yosemite will probably disappear from
the App Store for those who didn't previously get it).

> > (b) Ask the person who sent you the document to export a copy in Keynote
> > '09 format and send that to you.
>
> Do I assume that easy for her to do in the software to downgrade the
> format version?

Yes.

In Keynote 6.x (for Mavericks or Yosemite), open the document and choose
the "Export To" command from the File menu.

Pick "Keynote '09" as the file format, and follow the prompts. Make sure
the document is saved either in a different folder or with a different
name to the original, so that the original document is not overwritten.
I suggest putting something like "(Keynote 09)" on the end of the
filename (before the ".key" extension, if it is visible in the save
dialog) to make it very clear what that copy of the file is.

The resulting copy can be sent easily as an email attachment (or via a
file sharing mechanism such as Dropbox), and will probably be a similar
size.

> > (c) Ask the person who sent you the document to export a copy as PDF and
> > send that to you. This will lose some detail from the presentation.
>
> I do have her PDF and PPTX formats, but no interactions that she told me
> about. :/

Your Name's suggestion of using the online version of Keynote is worth
investigating. I don't know offhand whether it is compatible with the
Mountain Lion version of Safari, but it wouldn't take long to try.

To use this, you need an iCloud account.

Go to http://www.icloud.com and sign in using your Apple ID and its
password. If you have two-factor authentication enabled, you'll need to
do that as well.

You can then click on the Keynote icon to run the beta version of
Keynote in iCloud. If you haven't used it before, click the Continue
button to get the main start screen.

There is a drag target in the lower right corner to upload
presentations.

I haven't experimented with it beyond that, as I can use the native
version on my Mac.


Yet another option: if you have an iPhone, iPod Touch or iPad that was
bought recently enough, it comes with a free version of Keynote. If it
is running iOS 8, then the corresponding version of Keynote is
compatible with Keynote 6.5.x for Yosemite (and can import documents
from Keynote '09 or Keynote 6.0.x - 6.2.x for Mavericks).

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Ant]

>>> Potential solutions:
>>>
>>> (a) Upgrade to OS X 10.10 Yosemite.
>>
>> What about v10.9.x?
>
> Not a lot of point at this stage.
>
> 1. If you didn't get OS X 10.9 Mavericks from App Store while it was
> available (before the release of Yosemite in October 2014) then you
> can't get it now.

Wow, Apple had a time limit of it? Wow.

> 2. If this document was saved by the Yosemite version of Keynote (which
> is quite likely), then the Mavericks version of Preview (or Keynote)
> won't open it either.

Sheesh. :(

> A couple of side notes:
>
> 1. Assuming Apple sticks to their timing pattern of the last two years,
> your current system, OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion, will get its final
> security update in September this year. You will need to upgrade to
> Mavericks or later to keep getting security updates. Mavericks would add
> one year to the cutoff.
>
> 2. If you haven't got OS X 10.10 Yosemite from the App Store yet, and
> might want to install that version in future, you should get it soon
> while it is still available (even if you don't install it straight away
> - you can quit the installer when it shows the initial screen with the
> Continue button). You might want to wait until after 10.10.5 is released
> so the installer you download is the final minor version, but we don't
> know how long a gap there will be between 10.10.5 and the release of OS
> X 10.11 El Capitan (at which point Yosemite will probably disappear from
> the App Store for those who didn't previously get it).

Thanks.

>>> (b) Ask the person who sent you the document to export a copy in Keynote
>>> '09 format and send that to you.
>>
>> Do I assume that easy for her to do in the software to downgrade the
>> format version?
>
> Yes.
>
> In Keynote 6.x (for Mavericks or Yosemite), open the document and choose
> the "Export To" command from the File menu.
>
> Pick "Keynote '09" as the file format, and follow the prompts. Make sure
> the document is saved either in a different folder or with a different
> name to the original, so that the original document is not overwritten.
> I suggest putting something like "(Keynote 09)" on the end of the
> filename (before the ".key" extension, if it is visible in the save
> dialog) to make it very clear what that copy of the file is.
>
> The resulting copy can be sent easily as an email attachment (or via a
> file sharing mechanism such as Dropbox), and will probably be a similar
> size.

Thanks. I'll let her know tomorrow when work resumes. I hope the older
versions will keep the interaction parts.

>>> (c) Ask the person who sent you the document to export a copy as PDF and
>>> send that to you. This will lose some detail from the presentation.
>>
>> I do have her PDF and PPTX formats, but no interactions that she told me
>> about. :/
>
> Your Name's suggestion of using the online version of Keynote is worth
> investigating. I don't know offhand whether it is compatible with the
> Mountain Lion version of Safari, but it wouldn't take long to try.
>
> To use this, you need an iCloud account.
>
> Go to http://www.icloud.com and sign in using your Apple ID and its
> password. If you have two-factor authentication enabled, you'll need to
> do that as well.
>
> You can then click on the Keynote icon to run the beta version of
> Keynote in iCloud. If you haven't used it before, click the Continue
> button to get the main start screen.
>
> There is a drag target in the lower right corner to upload
> presentations.
>
> I haven't experimented with it beyond that, as I can use the native
> version on my Mac.
>
>
> Yet another option: if you have an iPhone, iPod Touch or iPad that was
> bought recently enough, it comes with a free version of Keynote. If it
> is running iOS 8, then the corresponding version of Keynote is
> compatible with Keynote 6.5.x for Yosemite (and can import documents
> from Keynote '09 or Keynote 6.0.x - 6.2.x for Mavericks).

I have a very old, used 4S but didn't see a Keynote so that's no go.
Maybe I can borrow someone's iPad that might have it? What's the best
way to transfer this 19.9 MB .key file to it without messing the the
iPad that is not mine if it came with Keynote? IIRC, iPads don't have
USB ports and memory card slots.

[Ant]

On 7/26/2015 2:21 AM, dem...@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:
...

> Your Name's suggestion of using the online version of Keynote is worth
> investigating. I don't know offhand whether it is compatible with the
> Mountain Lion version of Safari, but it wouldn't take long to try.
>
> To use this, you need an iCloud account.
>
> Go to http://www.icloud.com and sign in using your Apple ID and its
> password. If you have two-factor authentication enabled, you'll need to
> do that as well.
>
> You can then click on the Keynote icon to run the beta version of
> Keynote in iCloud. If you haven't used it before, click the Continue
> button to get the main start screen.
>
> There is a drag target in the lower right corner to upload
> presentations.
>
> I haven't experimented with it beyond that, as I can use the native
> version on my Mac.

OK, I just tried it with my new icloud.com account. It uploaded slowly
(blame my ISP) and had to wait for the huge file to be fully uploaded
since it couldn't show me it. Finally, I saw its thumbnail and then I
could open it. It worked, but no interactions even in Safari v6.2.7 web
browser? Hmm!

[Your Name]

In article <LqOdnW5LEb3IEynI...@earthlink.com>, Ant

<a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There is a website that claims to convert .key files to .ppt
> >>> (Powerpoint) files, but you'd have to upload it so the site can convert
> >>> it.
> >>
> >> Yeah, but this is a private file. Even my client (export/sav)ed her .key
> >> file as PPTX and PDF files, but no interaction features like in the
> >> original KEY file. :(
> >
> > You won't get interaction with a PDF. It's the same as printing the
> > presentation.
> >
> > Saving to a Powerpoint will get most of the presentation, but there are
> > things that Keynote can do that simply don't translate to Powerpoint
> > (and vice-versa).
> >
> > Other than getting the same / newer version of Keynote that she has
> > (which likely means a newer Mac as well), the Powerpoint version is
> > really the only option.
>
> Does PowerPoint even have interactions? I didn't see it when I tried the
> PPTX version in Mac Office 2010.

That depends what you mean by "interactions".

Powerpoint has transitions to animate slide changes, animations to
animate objects on the slides, and some rather simple options to click
an object to go to a specific slide, etc.

The problem is that Powerpoint doesn't have all the same functions as
Keynote, so some abilities, transitions, etc. don't convert to
Powerpoint.

> > (b) Ask the person who sent you the document to export a copy in
> > Keynote > '09 format and send that to you.
>
> Do I assume that easy for her to do in the software to downgrade the
> format version?

It should be the same as exporting to Powerpoint, but just choosing a
different file format ... BUT, again, the newer version of Keynote will
have some transitions, etc. that the older version doesn't, so your
"interactions" might still not appear.

[David Empson]

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> >>> Potential solutions:
> >>>
> >>> (a) Upgrade to OS X 10.10 Yosemite.
> >>
> >> What about v10.9.x?
> >
> > Not a lot of point at this stage.
> >
> > 1. If you didn't get OS X 10.9 Mavericks from App Store while it was
> > available (before the release of Yosemite in October 2014) then you
> > can't get it now.
>
> Wow, Apple had a time limit of it? Wow.

Since 2011, Apple has been releasing a new major version of OS X every
year. 10.7 Lion (mid 2011) and 10.8 Mountain Lion (mid 2012) were paid
products, subsequent versions have been free.

Each version has disappeared from App Store as soon as the next version
was released. Those who already got them while they were available can
still download them via their Purchases list.

Lion and Mountain Lion are still available for purchase via a roundabout
method: buy them from the online Apple Store, which gives you a
redemption code to use in App Store.

(Offering 10.7 Lion for ongoing sale was necessary because there are
some Macs for which Lion is the last compatible version of OS X. It
isn't clear why Apple offered 10.8 Mountain Lion via the same method,
because 10.9 Mavericks runs on the same Macs.)

Apple did not offer a similar solution to get 10.9 Mavericks after 10.10
Yosemite was released. That means Mavericks became unavailable for
anyone who didn't already have it.

There was no need for Apple to offer Mavericks any more, because
Yosemite runs on the same Macs.

It is looking like OS X 10.11 El Capitan will run on the same models
again, therefore it is very likely that Yosemite will also become
unavailable after El Capitan is released (probably October, but it might
be earlier). It is also likely that Apple will release new versions of
several of their other applications at the same time which immediately
require El Capitan.

Hard to tell without seeing it myself. In general, Keynote '09 has MORE
features than later versions, but later versions have started to
introduce new stuff which wasn't supported on old versions, so some new
transition types might not work, for example.

> >>> (c) Ask the person who sent you the document to export a copy as PDF and
> >>> send that to you. This will lose some detail from the presentation.
> >>
> >> I do have her PDF and PPTX formats, but no interactions that she told me
> >> about. :/
> >
> > Your Name's suggestion of using the online version of Keynote is worth
> > investigating. I don't know offhand whether it is compatible with the
> > Mountain Lion version of Safari, but it wouldn't take long to try.
> >
> > To use this, you need an iCloud account.
> >
> > Go to http://www.icloud.com and sign in using your Apple ID and its
> > password. If you have two-factor authentication enabled, you'll need to
> > do that as well.
> >
> > You can then click on the Keynote icon to run the beta version of
> > Keynote in iCloud. If you haven't used it before, click the Continue
> > button to get the main start screen.
> >
> > There is a drag target in the lower right corner to upload
> > presentations.
> >
> > I haven't experimented with it beyond that, as I can use the native
> > version on my Mac.
> >
> >
> > Yet another option: if you have an iPhone, iPod Touch or iPad that was
> > bought recently enough, it comes with a free version of Keynote. If it
> > is running iOS 8, then the corresponding version of Keynote is
> > compatible with Keynote 6.5.x for Yosemite (and can import documents
> > from Keynote '09 or Keynote 6.0.x - 6.2.x for Mavericks).
>
> I have a very old, used 4S but didn't see a Keynote so that's no go.

I think the free apps started with devices bought new from late 2012
(iPhone 5, iPad mini, iPad 4, 5th gen iPod Touch or later; or an iPhone
4 or 4S or older iPad bought as a cheaper model from then).

> Maybe I can borrow someone's iPad that might have it? What's the best
> way to transfer this 19.9 MB .key file to it without messing the the
> iPad that is not mine if it came with Keynote?

Email the document to the iPad owner. They can open it from the email
attachment.

If it is confidential enough that you can't email it, then you could
possibly transfer it via Dropbox, or via iTunes using THEIR computer to
invoke the horrible document copy mechanism. (Don't try to connect their
iPad to your computer, as you run the risk of wiping its synced content
if you aren't careful.)

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Ant]

>>>>> There is a website that claims to convert .key files to .ppt
>>>>> (Powerpoint) files, but you'd have to upload it so the site can convert
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but this is a private file. Even my client (export/sav)ed her .key
>>>> file as PPTX and PDF files, but no interaction features like in the
>>>> original KEY file. :(
>>>
>>> You won't get interaction with a PDF. It's the same as printing the
>>> presentation.
>>>
>>> Saving to a Powerpoint will get most of the presentation, but there are
>>> things that Keynote can do that simply don't translate to Powerpoint
>>> (and vice-versa).
>>>
>>> Other than getting the same / newer version of Keynote that she has
>>> (which likely means a newer Mac as well), the Powerpoint version is
>>> really the only option.
>>
>> Does PowerPoint even have interactions? I didn't see it when I tried the
>> PPTX version in Mac Office 2010.
>
> That depends what you mean by "interactions".

I was told that their interactions are just simple links to specific
slides and stuff. Nothing fancy.

> Powerpoint has transitions to animate slide changes, animations to
> animate objects on the slides, and some rather simple options to click
> an object to go to a specific slide, etc.

I don't think effects are in it and important.

> The problem is that Powerpoint doesn't have all the same functions as
> Keynote, so some abilities, transitions, etc. don't convert to
> Powerpoint.

Ah.

>
>>> (b) Ask the person who sent you the document to export a copy in
>>> Keynote > '09 format and send that to you.
>>
>> Do I assume that easy for her to do in the software to downgrade the
>> format version?
>
> It should be the same as exporting to Powerpoint, but just choosing a
> different file format ... BUT, again, the newer version of Keynote will
> have some transitions, etc. that the older version doesn't, so your
> "interactions" might still not appear.

OK. She gave me an downgraded saved .key file. I'll have to try again
later on iCloud.
--
"To conquer the world, we must be as meticulous and calculating as a
colony of ants on the march." --Julius Caesar

[Ant]

>>>>> (a) Upgrade to OS X 10.10 Yosemite.
>>>>
>>>> What about v10.9.x?
>>>
>>> Not a lot of point at this stage.
>>>
>>> 1. If you didn't get OS X 10.9 Mavericks from App Store while it was
>>> available (before the release of Yosemite in October 2014) then you
>>> can't get it now.
>
>> Wow, Apple had a time limit of it? Wow.
>

> No. Apple released 10.10, whcih runs on every machine that runs 10.9.
> There is no reason at all for Apple to continue to provide 10.9 for
> people to upgrade. If then need to upgrade, they can *all* upgrade to
> 10.10.
>
> The same thing will happen in October when 10.10 vanishes since 10.11
> will, once gain, run on ALL hardware that ran 10.10.

Ah OK. Thanks. :)
--
"The ant's a centaur in his dragon world. Pull down thy vanity, it is
not man... Made courage, or made order, or made grace,... Pull down thy
vanity, I say pull down. Learn of the green world what can be thy
place... In scaled invention or true artistry,... Pull down thy
vanity,... Paquin pull down! The green casque has outdone your
elegance." --Ezra Pound's poem

[Ant]

...

>> Maybe I can borrow someone's iPad that might have it? What's the best
>> way to transfer this 19.9 MB .key file to it without messing the the
>> iPad that is not mine if it came with Keynote?
>
> Email the document to the iPad owner. They can open it from the email
> attachment.
>
> If it is confidential enough that you can't email it, then you could
> possibly transfer it via Dropbox, or via iTunes using THEIR computer to
> invoke the horrible document copy mechanism. (Don't try to connect their
> iPad to your computer, as you run the risk of wiping its synced content
> if you aren't careful.)

Thanks. I think I will stick with my own iCloud account. I already asked
my boss for a borrowed MacBook with Keypoint software, so I can stop
going crazy with this mess. :/
--
"One day he sprained an ankle rather than crush an ant." --Les Miserables

[Your Name]

In article <04idnUyud9ktZCTI...@earthlink.com>, Ant

<a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is a website that claims to convert .key files to .ppt
> >>>>> (Powerpoint) files, but you'd have to upload it so the site can convert
> >>>>> it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah, but this is a private file. Even my client (export/sav)ed her .key
> >>>> file as PPTX and PDF files, but no interaction features like in the
> >>>> original KEY file. :(
> >>>
> >>> You won't get interaction with a PDF. It's the same as printing the
> >>> presentation.
> >>>
> >>> Saving to a Powerpoint will get most of the presentation, but there are
> >>> things that Keynote can do that simply don't translate to Powerpoint
> >>> (and vice-versa).
> >>>
> >>> Other than getting the same / newer version of Keynote that she has
> >>> (which likely means a newer Mac as well), the Powerpoint version is
> >>> really the only option.
> >>
> >> Does PowerPoint even have interactions? I didn't see it when I tried the
> >> PPTX version in Mac Office 2010.
> >
> > That depends what you mean by "interactions".
>
> I was told that their interactions are just simple links to specific
> slides and stuff. Nothing fancy.

I' (almost) certain that should survive exporting from Keynote to
Powerpoint. Powerpoint has that ability, although it's rare for a
presentation to be anything more than linear.

The things that usually don't survive are things some of Keynote's like
transition and animation effects that simply don't exist in Powerpoint.

> >>> (b) Ask the person who sent you the document to export a copy in
> >>> Keynote > '09 format and send that to you.
> >>
> >> Do I assume that easy for her to do in the software to downgrade the
> >> format version?
> >
> > It should be the same as exporting to Powerpoint, but just choosing a
> > different file format ... BUT, again, the newer version of Keynote will
> > have some transitions, etc. that the older version doesn't, so your
> > "interactions" might still not appear.
>
> OK. She gave me an downgraded saved .key file. I'll have to try again
> later on iCloud.

The web version of Keynote may not work / fully work under old versions
of web browsers.

[David Empson]

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> >>> (b) Ask the person who sent you the document to export a copy in
> >>> Keynote > '09 format and send that to you.
> >>
> >> Do I assume that easy for her to do in the software to downgrade the
> >> format version?
> >
> > It should be the same as exporting to Powerpoint, but just choosing a
> > different file format ... BUT, again, the newer version of Keynote will
> > have some transitions, etc. that the older version doesn't, so your
> > "interactions" might still not appear.
>
> OK. She gave me an downgraded saved .key file. I'll have to try again
> later on iCloud.

By "try again later on iCloud" I assume you mean you will try to use
Keynote on iCloud to open the document?

If so, you would be better using the original document (in Keynote 6.5.x
format), since that is the file format used by Keynote on iCloud.

If you now have a copy of the document in Keynote '09 format, then
uploading that to Keynote in iCloud will require another conversion
(which I assume it does automatically). A double conversion from the
original document may have changes or missing elements (due to
differences in features between versions). It would be better to work
with the original document.

You should be able to open the Keynote '09 version of the document in
Preview on OS X 10.8.5, but I have no idea what level of functionality
Preview has for Keynote documents, e.g. whether links within the
document work.

--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz

[Ant]

I just tried again with a copied 20 MB v9 Keynote file in a borrowed
MacBook Pro's updated Mac OS X v10.8.5's Preview v6.0.1. It worked.
However, no interactions that I could find. I also tried again with my
iCloud account with its Safari v6.2.7 web browser. No interactions there
as well.

Oh well. I am going to give up on this and just wait for a work's
MacBook with the (lat/new)est Mac OS X version and Keynote software.
Thank you to all who tried to help me with this interesting
situation/issue! :)
--
"An ant is over six feet tall when measured by its own foot-rule."
--Slovenian

[Ant]

>> OK. She gave me an downgraded saved .key file. I'll have to try again
>> later on iCloud.
>
> By "try again later on iCloud" I assume you mean you will try to use
> Keynote on iCloud to open the document?
>
> If so, you would be better using the original document (in Keynote 6.5.x
> format), since that is the file format used by Keynote on iCloud.

Ah. Too late now since I already tried it. iCloud told me it is better
to use a newer version. Heh!

> If you now have a copy of the document in Keynote '09 format, then
> uploading that to Keynote in iCloud will require another conversion
> (which I assume it does automatically). A double conversion from the
> original document may have changes or missing elements (due to
> differences in features between versions). It would be better to work
> with the original document.
>
> You should be able to open the Keynote '09 version of the document in
> Preview on OS X 10.8.5, but I have no idea what level of functionality
> Preview has for Keynote documents, e.g. whether links within the
> document work.

Yeah, see my earlier post of my results.
--
"Maybe it's like an ant hive..." "Bees man, bees have hives." "You know
what I mean. It's like one female that runs the whole show." "Yes, the
queen." "Yeah the mamma. She is bad*ss, man. I mean big." "These things
ain't ants estupido." "I know that." --Aliens movie

[Your Name]

In article <k4-dnWxWsvImNifI...@earthlink.com>, Ant

<a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>
> I just tried again with a copied 20 MB v9 Keynote file in a borrowed
> MacBook Pro's updated Mac OS X v10.8.5's Preview v6.0.1. It worked.
> However, no interactions that I could find. I also tried again with my
> iCloud account with its Safari v6.2.7 web browser. No interactions there
> as well.
>
> Oh well. I am going to give up on this and just wait for a work's
> MacBook with the (lat/new)est Mac OS X version and Keynote software.
> Thank you to all who tried to help me with this interesting
> situation/issue! :)

You do know that the "interactions" only work in "presentation" mode?
Clicking on a button (for example) when the document is in "edit" mode
won't do anything except select that button item. You actually have to
play it as a presentation for the interactions and animations to work.

Other than that, my only other guess would be that there aren't any
"interactions" at all, despite what the other person says.

[Ant]

>> I just tried again with a copied 20 MB v9 Keynote file in a borrowed
>> MacBook Pro's updated Mac OS X v10.8.5's Preview v6.0.1. It worked.
>> However, no interactions that I could find. I also tried again with my
>> iCloud account with its Safari v6.2.7 web browser. No interactions there
>> as well.
>>
>> Oh well. I am going to give up on this and just wait for a work's
>> MacBook with the (lat/new)est Mac OS X version and Keynote software.
>> Thank you to all who tried to help me with this interesting
>> situation/issue! :)
>
> You do know that the "interactions" only work in "presentation" mode?
> Clicking on a button (for example) when the document is in "edit" mode
> won't do anything except select that button item. You actually have to
> play it as a presentation for the interactions and animations to work.

Yeah, I tried that. :(

> Other than that, my only other guess would be that there aren't any
> "interactions" at all, despite what the other person says.

Yeah, maybe she doesn't know what she is talking about and wasted our
times. Bah. [grumbles]
--
"You know what you are Earl? You're a little, tiny, busy ant. You too,
Mike. Both you guys, with your mortgages and your term life insurance
and your webber kettles(??). Ant. Ant. All of you, you're all a bunch of
little, busy, blind ants. All you all. Saving up for your rainy days.
Scratching up your acorns for the winter. You look at me and you think,
"What a piece of pathetic trash out there in that leaky trailer." No
spoon, no fork, no prospects. But, you know why? Cause I'm a
grasshopper. Ant. Grasshopper. Ant. Grasshopper. Ant. Grasshopper. Ant.
Grasshopper. Ant!" --Chris in the bar, before being thrown out in "Jaws
of Life"."