How do I type a fraction?

[Skylamar]

Hi. I'm using the Franklin Gothic font in a graphics program called Art
Text. I'd like to include the fraction for "1/2". However,I can't
remember how to do it. Can anyone tell me how?

Thanks

[dorayme]

In article <2012030301314625562-nothingtoseehere@movealongnet>,

Look in your Edit menu to see if there is a Special Characters item.
Or try Option Command T, View All Characters, Numbers and Number
Symbols and see what is available in lower panel "Character Info under
"Containing selected character" in scrolling or dropdown menu.

--
dorayme

[Suze]

In article <2012030301314625562-nothingtoseehere@movealongnet>,
Skylamar <nothingt...@movealong.net> wrote:

-First go to system prefs and in the keyboard pref, check "show keyboard
& character viewer in menu bar". Close system prefs.
-Now you will see a little square with an asterisk in it in your upper
right menu bar. Click it, and select "show character viewer".
-In character viewer, go to "digits". Locate your fraction and click it.
-On the left bottom of character viewer you see an option to show fonts,
click that. Double click the fraction in the font you want in the fonts
section and it should just magically appear in your document where your
cursor is located. Adjust size as needed.
--
Good judgment results from experience, and experience results from bad judgment.

[Gerry]

In article <timstreater-FDE1...@news.individual.net>,
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article
> <replytome-63C54...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> Suze <repl...@thenewsgroup.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <2012030301314625562-nothingtoseehere@movealongnet>,
> > Skylamar <nothingt...@movealong.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi. I'm using the Franklin Gothic font in a graphics program called Art
> > > Text. I'd like to include the fraction for "1/2". However,I can't
> > > remember how to do it. Can anyone tell me how?
>

> > -First go to system prefs and in the keyboard pref, check "show keyboard
> > & character viewer in menu bar". Close system prefs.
> > -Now you will see a little square with an asterisk in it in your upper
> > right menu bar. Click it, and select "show character viewer".
> > -In character viewer, go to "digits".
>

> If you don't see "digits", as I didn't, click the gear wheel top-left
> corner, select "Customise List ..." and add it.

>
> > Locate your fraction and click it.
> > -On the left bottom of character viewer you see an option to show fonts,
> > click that.
>

> No such option here - Lion latest.

If the original poster is using Lion you can go to System Preferences /
Language & Text / click on the Text tab you can select which fraction
you want to produce.

[Wes Groleau]

Set your keyboard layout to Unicode Hex Input.

Then hold down alt while you type 00bd (zero zero bee dee)

00bd = ½
00be = ¾
00bc = ¼
2153 = ⅓

See also
<http://tlt.its.psu.edu/suggestions/international/bylanguage/mathchart.html#fractions>

or <http://tinyurl.com/6zmll5>

--
Wes Groleau

It seems a pity that psychology should have
destroyed all our knowledge of human nature.
— G. K. Chesterton

[Erilar]

What is the matter with just using / ?



--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

[Skylamar]

On 2012-03-03 14:43:08 +0000, Tim Streater said:

>
> If you don't see "digits", as I didn't, click the gear wheel top-left
> corner, select "Customise List ..." and add it.

Great, that worked!

Thanks!

[Wes Groleau]

On 03-03-2012 16:34, Erilar wrote:
> What is the matter with just using / ?

Why settle for 3-1/2 when you can get 3½ with the same number of keystrokes?

[John Young]

In article
<replytome-63C54...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Suze <repl...@thenewsgroup.com> wrote:

Hi Suze I'm on the newest update (Lion) "show character viewer" has no
"digits" option. I do have 10 other options but no digits. Any ideas?

[Larry Gusaas]

On 2012-03-04 10:55 AM John Young wrote:
> Hi Suze I'm on the newest update (Lion) "show character viewer" has no
> "digits" option. I do have 10 other options but no digits. Any ideas?

On Snow Leopard it is under Symbols/Numbers and Number Symbols.

--
_________________________________

Larry I. Gusaas
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs." - Edgard Varese

[Tom Stiller]

In article <jy-D671E4.11...@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>,

Display the Character Viewer and click the "gear" in the upper left
corner. Select Customize List. Select whatever you want from the list.

--
PRAY, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf
of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. -- Ambrose Bierce

[Erilar]

Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 03-03-2012 16:34, Erilar wrote:
>> What is the matter with just using / ?
>
> Why settle for 3-1/2 when you can get 3½ with the same number of keystrokes?

Ever tried to fill in an address with a fraction in it on any kind of web
form? All kinds of strange things happen to my address because it has a
fraction in it, and my street is one of the easy ones in this county,
ending in 3/4. Some end in 7/8 or 5/16, etc. This is also the case in
email.

[Wes Groleau]

The O.P. wants to add text to an image, not fill in a web form.

But your issue is a configuration on one end or the other, probably
in your browser. Although I don't recall ever trying a fraction,
I have put all sorts of other characters in e-mail, Usenet, and
web forms. There are only two problems I have ever seen. One is
the ubiquitous Javascript validation of e-mail addresses coded by
someone who wrongly thinks e-mail addresses can't contain plus signs.
The other is when an e-mail or newspost goes through a relay or
newsreader that's too stupid to read or write encoding headers properly.

I see that you are going through eternal-september and that your news
client is not trashing my fraction above. This is because I sent it out
as UTF-8 and said so, and you sent it back the same way. If you had one
of those broken ones that pretends everything is ISOLatin1 in
defiance of the sender saying otherwise, then it would have been turned
into garbage.

Are your browser and e-mail set to default to UTF-8 ? If not, try it
and see if it fixes the problem.

--
Wes Groleau

ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI

[isw]

In article <jiujm7$r2u$2...@dont-email.me>,

Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> On 03-03-2012 16:34, Erilar wrote:
> > What is the matter with just using / ?

I like the idea of single-glyph fractions, and have set my apps (those
that allow it) to replace the three-stroke version when possible.

> Why settle for 3-1/2 when you can get 31/2 with the same number of keystrokes?

OK. That didn't look right, so I waited for a follow-up (which for some
reason I can't find right now), and read that it used UTF-8 encoding.

So I dutifully told my venerable MT-NW to use UTF-8 (it had been set to
"Western something-or-other"), and now I get:

> > Why settle for 3-1/2 when you can get 31â™≥2 with the same number of
> > keystrokes?

Which is not exactly an improvement.

is this something I can fix, or is it a combination of possibly broken
servers plus a really old app (MT-NW)?

Isaac

[Erilar]

I can't tell on the iPad; I'll have to look on the laptop. However, I've
had strange things happen to some characters in replies on usenet generally
or found oddities in others' posts.

[Erilar]

Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <jj0f4j$nlu$1...@dont-email.me>,

> Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>
>> Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>>> On 03-03-2012 16:34, Erilar wrote:
>>>> What is the matter with just using / ?

>>>>> Why settle for 3-1/2 when you can get 31⁄2 with the same number of > > keystrokes?

>>> Ever tried to fill in an address with a fraction in it on any kind of web
>> form? All kinds of strange things happen to my address because it has a
>> fraction in it, and my street is one of the easy ones in this county,
>> ending in 3/4. Some end in 7/8 or 5/16, etc. This is also the case in
>> email.
>

> But what does it *mean* ??

Country "streets" in this county are only even numbers if on section lines,
whether N-S (streets) or E-W(avenues). It's asquare county. However,
because of assorted lakes and rivers, it gets even more complicated. One
section of my street on the east side of this long, narrow lake continues
on the west side 8-)

[erilar]

In article <jj2hfb$74f$2...@dont-email.me>,

OK, I'm on the laptop, and can't find a way to choose UTF-8. It only
offers Western(Mac OS Roman) or a European Mac OS????

I also can't find ready-made fractions anywhere, even when I pull up
font samples including things I can only add to documents I'm going to
print, so I apparently don't have a choice anyway 8-)

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

[Erilar]

Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <jj2hfb$74f$3...@dont-email.me>,

> Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>
>> Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>> In article <jj0f4j$nlu$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>
>>>> Ever tried to fill in an address with a fraction in it on any kind of web
>>>> form? All kinds of strange things happen to my address because it has a
>>>> fraction in it, and my street is one of the easy ones in this county,
>>>> ending in 3/4. Some end in 7/8 or 5/16, etc. This is also the case in
>>>> email.
>>>>> But what does it *mean* ??
>>> Country "streets" in this county are only even numbers if on section lines,

>> whether N-S (streets) or E-W(avenues). It's a square county. However,

>> because of assorted lakes and rivers, it gets even more complicated. One
>> section of my street on the east side of this long, narrow lake continues
>> on the west side 8-)
>

> What is a "section"? And what does the shape of the county or the
> presence or absence of lakes or rivers have to do with anything? And why
> do the streets etc only go N/S or E/W? Don't the map-makers in your
> county have any imagination?

A section is a mile square. Somewhere in the past, someone with the power
to do so imposed a mathetical grid on the county. The(more or less) NS
street that I drive (on a slight slant) down the hill is 21 1/2 Street and
does NOT quite line up with the straight section with the same label north
of the highway(which, by the way, is also 14th Avenue in this area). When
my route turns to cross the creek that runs into one arm of the lake, it
becomes 13 3/4 Avenue. Just AFTER the curve, 21 1/2 turns south from it
along the west side of this branch of the lake. Just across the bridge, 21
3/4 Street turns at a sharper than right angle and curves along the east
side of the lake until the lake cuts off this section. Further south(this
is a long narrow lake) there is another section of 21 3/4 Street on the
WEST side of the lake, somewhat past of the section lake that 21 1/2 has
ended at. Meanwhile, 13 3/4 Avenue ends (temporarily) at 22nd Street, but
will start up again further east.

If this has you rolling on the floor laughing, consider the problems we
often encounter getting deliveries by outsiders(the mailmen are used to it)
such as FedEx drivers to deliver things to the right place.

[nospam]

In article <jj2r07$55c$1...@dont-email.me>, Erilar

<dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> > What is a "section"? And what does the shape of the county or the
> > presence or absence of lakes or rivers have to do with anything? And why
> > do the streets etc only go N/S or E/W? Don't the map-makers in your
> > county have any imagination?
>
> A section is a mile square. Somewhere in the past, someone with the power
> to do so imposed a mathetical grid on the county. The(more or less) NS
> street that I drive (on a slight slant) down the hill is 21 1/2 Street and
> does NOT quite line up with the straight section with the same label north
> of the highway(which, by the way, is also 14th Avenue in this area). When
> my route turns to cross the creek that runs into one arm of the lake, it
> becomes 13 3/4 Avenue. Just AFTER the curve, 21 1/2 turns south from it
> along the west side of this branch of the lake. Just across the bridge, 21
> 3/4 Street turns at a sharper than right angle and curves along the east
> side of the lake until the lake cuts off this section. Further south(this
> is a long narrow lake) there is another section of 21 3/4 Street on the
> WEST side of the lake, somewhat past of the section lake that 21 1/2 has
> ended at. Meanwhile, 13 3/4 Avenue ends (temporarily) at 22nd Street, but
> will start up again further east.

wow. that is one of the most fucked up things i've ever heard of.

> If this has you rolling on the floor laughing, consider the problems we
> often encounter getting deliveries by outsiders(the mailmen are used to it)
> such as FedEx drivers to deliver things to the right place.

i'm not laughing at all. i pity anyone who has to deal with that.

where is this place, anyway?

[John Varela]

On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 17:30:31 UTC, Tim Streater
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <jj2r07$55c$1...@dont-email.me>,

> The fucker who "designed" this should be horsewhipped.

I don't know about those fractional street names, but in those
rectangular (and some not-so-rectangular) states out west, mile
roads are common. Check this map of an area near Detroit:

<http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?q=nine+mile+road&mkt=en-US&FO
RM=BYFD>

--
John Varela

[Richard Maine]

Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <jj2r07$55c$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> >

> > A section is a mile square.

[describes a mess of street name confusions]

>
> The fucker who "designed" this should be horsewhipped.

Of course, Erilar's example was extreme, as such examples tend to be. It
isn't as though there isn't quite a history of complicated street names
difficult to figure out. London at least used to be notorious for that.

But I personally love the geometric street naming in places were it
fits, such as the flat desert where I live. After living here only about
2 weeks, I could find almost any address in the whole area without
needing a map. I was quite fond of that.

Alas, developers have since messed it up by using random street names in
most of the newer developments. You can now not find anyplace unless you
know the specific street or have a map with a suitable street index (or
a GPS with an adequately up-to-date map).

Just because Erilar descibes a single case where the system doesn't work
well, don't generalize that to denigrating the entire system. Well,
actually, you are free to generalize it all you like, but you won't get
very far in life with that kind of logic. (My Mac had a kernel crash a
few weeks ago; obviously all Macs are junk and whoever designed them
should be horsewhipped. -))

--
Richard Maine | Good judgment comes from experience;
email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment.
domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain

[Erilar]

Richard Maine <nos...@see.signature> wrote:
> Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <jj2r07$55c$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> A section is a mile square.
> [describes a mess of street name confusions]
>>
>> The fucker who "designed" this should be horsewhipped.

Actually, it works quite well once you learn the system. Two sections of
18th street, to invent an example that may well be true, might be separated
by a couple miles, but if you,re looking for 2235 18th street, you can jog
over to another street and know that 22nd avenue will cut back to the
section you're looking for. It just drives outsiders crazy 8-)

>
> Of course, Erilar's example was extreme, as such examples tend to be. It
> isn't as though there isn't quite a history of complicated street names
> difficult to figure out. London at least used to be notorious for that.

German cities are a challenge, too. Even with a detailed map, streets that
change their names suddenly are confusing. Another example: I remember
great difficulty one time when the numbers ran around the square instead of
down the street

>
> But I personally love the geometric street naming in places were it
> fits, such as the flat desert where I live. After living here only about
> 2 weeks, I could find almost any address in the whole area without
> needing a map. I was quite fond of that.

It works in this county in the country. Towns have different systems. Tree
names have no logic.

>
> Alas, developers have since messed it up by using random street names in
> most of the newer developments. You can now not find anyplace unless you
> know the specific street or have a map with a suitable street index (or
> a GPS with an adequately up-to-date map).
>
> Just because Erilar descibes a single case where the system doesn't work
> well, don't generalize that to denigrating the entire system. Well,
> actually, you are free to generalize it all you like, but you won't get
> very far in life with that kind of logic. (My Mac had a kernel crash a
> few weeks ago; obviously all Macs are junk and whoever designed the

> should be horsewhipped. -))

oh, our system works well for those who have lived here a few years 8-).
Explaining it to outsiders is another matter 8-)

[Paul Sture]

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:52:24 +0000, Erilar wrote:

> A section is a mile square. Somewhere in the past, someone with the
> power to do so imposed a mathetical grid on the county. The(more or
> less) NS street that I drive (on a slight slant) down the hill is 21 1/2
> Street and does NOT quite line up with the straight section with the
> same label north of the highway(which, by the way, is also 14th Avenue
> in this area). When my route turns to cross the creek that runs into
> one arm of the lake, it becomes 13 3/4 Avenue. Just AFTER the curve, 21
> 1/2 turns south from it along the west side of this branch of the lake.
> Just across the bridge, 21 3/4 Street turns at a sharper than right
> angle and curves along the east side of the lake until the lake cuts off
> this section. Further south(this is a long narrow lake) there is
> another section of 21 3/4 Street on the WEST side of the lake, somewhat
> past of the section lake that 21 1/2 has ended at. Meanwhile, 13 3/4
> Avenue ends (temporarily) at 22nd Street, but will start up again
> further east.
>
> If this has you rolling on the floor laughing, consider the problems we
> often encounter getting deliveries by outsiders(the mailmen are used to
> it) such as FedEx drivers to deliver things to the right place.

Now that _is_ funny :-)



--
Paul Sture

[Wes Groleau]

On 03-05-2012 11:52, Erilar wrote:
> A section is a mile square. Somewhere in the past, someone with the power
> to do so imposed a mathetical grid on the county. The(more or less) NS
> street that I drive (on a slight slant) down the hill is 21 1/2 Street and
> does NOT quite line up with the straight section with the same label north
> of the highway(which, by the way, is also 14th Avenue in this area). When
> my route turns to cross the creek that runs into one arm of the lake, it
> becomes 13 3/4 Avenue. Just AFTER the curve, 21 1/2 turns south from it
> along the west side of this branch of the lake. Just across the bridge, 21
> 3/4 Street turns at a sharper than right angle and curves along the east
> side of the lake until the lake cuts off this section. Further south(this
> is a long narrow lake) there is another section of 21 3/4 Street on the
> WEST side of the lake, somewhat past of the section lake that 21 1/2 has
> ended at. Meanwhile, 13 3/4 Avenue ends (temporarily) at 22nd Street, but
> will start up again further east.
>
> If this has you rolling on the floor laughing, consider the problems we

In most of the places I've lived, that problem has been avoided by
making street numbers and house numbers measure hundredths of a mile.

So S. 300 Road W. is on a section line and two miles east of S. 500 Road
W.

425 S. 300 Road W. would be on a N-S section line, and a quarter-mile
south of an E-W section line, and that corner is the closest one to
three miles west and four miles south of the county seat.

Took me a long time to get used to Syracuse, New York's system, though.
110 Westcott Street is two blocks south of 3210 Euclid Avenue. They
assigned "100" to the end of the street closest to downtown, no matter
whether the street starts downtown or five miles out.

--
Wes Groleau

“There ain't nothin' in this world that's worth being a snot over.”
— Larry Wall

[Wes Groleau]

On 03-05-2012 09:41, erilar wrote:
> OK, I'm on the laptop, and can't find a way to choose UTF-8. It only
> offers Western(Mac OS Roman) or a European Mac OS????

What does? Each app either has its own settings or inherits system
settings. Doesn't really matter much, unless you are using a crappy
program. Decent and even half-decent programs identify the encoding
they are using and pay attention to such identification coming in.

The default for reading is used when the incoming is unidentified.

UTF-8 is a good default because for output it is the most efficient for
texts which are predominantly ASCII. And it is a good default for
coming in because most programs that fail to identify are using an
ISOLatin-X where all of the most common characters are encoded identical
to UTF-8.

In Thunderbird, the Setting is View -> Character Encoding
In Mail.app, there is no setting. I presume it either always does UTF-8
or it analyzes the message to select a good code.

Internally, characters are UniCode. The encoding method only matters
when sending/receiving text with network or disk.

> I also can't find ready-made fractions anywhere, even when I pull up
> font samples including things I can only add to documents I'm going to
> print, so I apparently don't have a choice anyway

I don't know that there are any. I don't use them much, but I use other
non-ASCII characters, and I've just learned their UniCode hex strings
and keep my keyboard set to UniCode Hex Input.

<http://tlt.its.psu.edu/suggestions/international/bylanguage/mathchart.html#fractions>

or <http://tinyurl.com/6zmll5>

will tell you the codes for fractions.

[Wes Groleau]

On 03-05-2012 02:07, isw wrote:
> So I dutifully told my venerable MT-NW to use UTF-8 (it had been set to
> "Western something-or-other"), and now I get:
>>> > > Why settle for 3-1/2 when you can get 31â™≥2 with the same number of
>>> > > keystrokes?
> Which is not exactly an improvement.

That is what happens when UTF-8 is rendered by a program that thinks it
is "Western something-or-other" So either you didn't actually change it
or MT-NW muttered under its breath, "Damned if I'm gonna do that!"

(A third possibility but very unlikely is that some idiot relay did
something to the header so that you could read it but MT-NW couldn't.
I cam across one program that was trashing my text until I figured out
that it wanted to see "utf8" instead of "UTF-8")

[TaliesinSoft]

On 2012-03-05 23:31:04 +0000, Tim Streater said:

> Gosh, a Merkin with a sense of irony.

And does everyone know just what a Merkin is? For those who don't a
Merkin is a pubic wig. They were frequently sold to women who performed
burlesque so they wouldn't really be naked.

--
James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas

[isw]

In article <jj45ur$i5k$1...@dont-email.me>,

Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> On 03-05-2012 02:07, isw wrote:
> > So I dutifully told my venerable MT-NW to use UTF-8 (it had been set to
> > "Western something-or-other"), and now I get:
> >>> > > Why settle for 3-1/2 when you can get 31â™≥2 with the same number of
> >>> > > keystrokes?
> > Which is not exactly an improvement.
>
> That is what happens when UTF-8 is rendered by a program that thinks it
> is "Western something-or-other" So either you didn't actually change it
> or MT-NW muttered under its breath, "Damned if I'm gonna do that!"

Could be, but if so, it's also lying about it. The pref (I just checked)
says "Decode unlabeled articles as: Unicode UTF-8". I also have checked
"Try to detect encodings".

Isaac

[isw]

In article <jj2r07$55c$1...@dont-email.me>,

How many of them wind up *in* that long narrow lake?

Isaac

[isw]

In article <drache-D05E69....@news.eternal-september.org>,

Not all fonts have single-glyph fractions. Open up Font Book, do
Menu/Preview/Repertoire and then scroll around through some fonts.
Palatino and Bookman (two of my favorites) have them; Caslon Antique and
Comic Sans do not (or I overlooked them).

Isaac

[Erilar]

I checked several with PopChar, including some I know have many unusual
characters, but not either of those. I'll have to look again.

[Erilar]

The streets stop well short of the water 8-). It's several miles down to
the next bridge however. This is just one of a chain of lakes. MY real
problem is that my house was built AFTER the fire numbers that are our
addresses, doesn't have a whole number address (which gets ignored often
by address label programs), and looks like an isolated garage because the
house is invisible from the road, so despite the mailbox, strange
deliverymen want to leave things next door, where the owners are only in
residence on occasional weekends in the summer. One delivery a few weeks
ago ended up on a different street as well!

[Erilar]

OK, I saved that in my bookmarks so I won't lose it when I go back to the
laptop. Somewhere similar I once found umlauts and a couple other odds and
ends I need when writing the html for web page additions. I sometimes
startle youngsters by commenting that I write my own html 8-)

[isw]

In article <jj549f$v77$3...@dont-email.me>,

Many of the diacritical marks show up by typing Option-<some letter>
(which gets you the mark), followed by typing the letter you want to
have the mark.

In most cases, the <some-letter> is the letter most often associated
with that particular diacritical mark -- Option-u gets an umlaut,
Option-e gets accent grave, etc. So Option-u o produces o-umlaut, and
Option-e a gives a with accent grave.

Isaac

[Erilar]

isw <i...@witzend.com> wrote:
-)
>
> Many of the diacritical marks show up by typing Option-<some letter>
> (which gets you the mark), followed by typing the letter you want to
> have the mark.
>
> In most cases, the <some-letter> is the letter most often associated
> with that particular diacritical mark -- Option-u gets an umlaut,
> Option-e gets accent grave, etc. So Option-u o produces o-umlaut, and
> Option-e a gives a with accent grave.
>

Oh, I've known how to get umlauts for German since I got my first Mac! 8-).
The spellchecker on my laptop underlines everything I write in German, but
it doesn't insert errors in everything like the one on this iPad did until
I learned how to turn it off, so I leave it on to catch typos.

This being a mac group, I thought I'd slam Pages again. I'm writing a
scholarly article with a number of footnotes. AppleWorks had a superscript
option in Styles. To insert proper superscript numbers in the text in
Pages, I had to find a font that had them, then copy/paste them into the
text even then, because Pages wouldn't let me type them in. Yet people tell
me it's an "upgrade". . .

[John Varela]

On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:31:04 UTC, Tim Streater
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <1kghomv.1bf7iox14jaoiyN%nos...@see.signature>,

> nos...@see.signature (Richard Maine) wrote:
>
> > Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <jj2r07$55c$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > > Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A section is a mile square.
> > [describes a mess of street name confusions]
> > >
> > > The fucker who "designed" this should be horsewhipped.
> >
> > Of course, Erilar's example was extreme, as such examples tend to be. It
> > isn't as though there isn't quite a history of complicated street names
> > difficult to figure out. London at least used to be notorious for that.
> >
> > But I personally love the geometric street naming in places were it
> > fits, such as the flat desert where I live. After living here only about
> > 2 weeks, I could find almost any address in the whole area without
> > needing a map. I was quite fond of that.
>

> How dull. Maps are fun.

>
> > Alas, developers have since messed it up by using random street names in
> > most of the newer developments. You can now not find anyplace unless you
> > know the specific street or have a map with a suitable street index (or
> > a GPS with an adequately up-to-date map).
>

> You mean they gave them interesting names? Perish the thort! Horsewhip
> him!

>
> > Just because Erilar descibes a single case where the system doesn't work
> > well, don't generalize that to denigrating the entire system. Well,
> > actually, you are free to generalize it all you like, but you won't get
> > very far in life with that kind of logic.
>

> But I've seen this dull, *dull*, DULL, grid system of streets all over
> the US. It means in the case you're describing that you can get from any
> A to any B with just the one right or left turn. I'd fall asleep at the
> wheel.

>
> > (My Mac had a kernel crash a few weeks ago; obviously all Macs are
> > junk and whoever designed them should be horsewhipped. -))
>

> Gosh, a Merkin with a sense of irony. That's rare, but welcome. My best
> man was one. But then he's someone who, when I lived in Palo Alto, was
> able to deduce that I and a certain lady were having an affair, just
> from our movements around a large room hosting a crowded party, even
> though I didn't speak to her all evening - and in fact, was never closer
> to her than 10 feet or so.

And in what way is the European habit of changing the name of a
street every two or three blocks superior to the cartesian system?

--
John Varela

[John Varela]

On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 16:52:24 UTC, Erilar
<dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> A section is a mile square. Somewhere in the past, someone with the power
> to do so imposed a mathetical grid on the county. The(more or less) NS
> street that I drive (on a slight slant) down the hill is 21 1/2 Street and
> does NOT quite line up with the straight section with the same label north
> of the highway(which, by the way, is also 14th Avenue in this area). When
> my route turns to cross the creek that runs into one arm of the lake, it
> becomes 13 3/4 Avenue. Just AFTER the curve, 21 1/2 turns south from it
> along the west side of this branch of the lake. Just across the bridge, 21
> 3/4 Street turns at a sharper than right angle and curves along the east
> side of the lake until the lake cuts off this section. Further south(this
> is a long narrow lake) there is another section of 21 3/4 Street on the
> WEST side of the lake, somewhat past of the section lake that 21 1/2 has
> ended at. Meanwhile, 13 3/4 Avenue ends (temporarily) at 22nd Street, but
> will start up again further east.

I'd like to see that on a map. Could you tell us how to find it on
bing.com/maps?

--
John Varela

[Erilar]

"John Varela" <newl...@verizon.net> wrote:
.
>
> I'd like to see that on a map. Could you tell us how to find it on
> bing.com/maps?

I normally use googlemaps. This may or may not work, because it's not one
of my public maps:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&gl=us&ui=maps

[Erilar]

Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <jj5srd$v3e$2...@dont-email.me>,

> Oh come. Type an ordinary digit after some text. Select the digit. Then go:
>
> Format Menu -> Font -> Baseline -> Superscript
>
> or better still, put the cursor where you want the reference to the footnote to be. Choose:
>
> Insert Menu -> Footnote
>
> Pages inserts a new superscripted number at that point, creates space for
> the footnote text at the bottom of the page, and puts the cursor there
> for you to enter the footnote text.

Where in the Pages instructions is this hidden?

The footnotes can't be at the page bottom for this one. Personally, I
dislike endnotes intensely, but have no choice on this.
>
> I think these utterly bizarre street names have fried your brain.

No, they only do that to FedEx deliverymen.

[Erilar]

Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> "John Varela" <newl...@verizon.net> wrote:
> .
>>
>> I'd like to see that on a map. Could you tell us how to find it on
>> bing.com/maps?
>
> I normally use googlemaps. This may or may not work, because it's not one
> of my public maps:
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&gl=us&ui=maps
>
>

Talking to myself, perhaps, but it opened to a generic map until I moved it
to my browser. hmmmmmmmm

I also see I sent a message I thoight I lost. 8-)

Anyway, here's what my GPS finder says: N 45 23.898'. W 091 42.642’

I know Bing likes those.

[John Varela]

On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:33:56 UTC, Tim Streater
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-XETqXRldPHdp@localhost>,

> "John Varela" <newl...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > And in what way is the European habit of changing the name of a
> > street every two or three blocks superior to the cartesian system?
>

> I'm not aware that we do.

In preparation for a trip I have been studying the map of Paris. The
practice of changing names every few blocks isn't universal, but
it's certainly common. Take Rue de Ponthieu, which parallels the
Champs Elysee for three or four blocks then becomes Avenue Gabriel.
Avenue Gabriel goes about five blocks, takes a jog around the Place
de la Concorde, and becomes Rue de Rivoli, which continues for some
distance before becoming Rue Saint-Antoine, which plunges into the
Place de la Bastille, emerging on the other side as Rue du Faubourg
Saint-Antoine.

In London, The Mall becomes Strand becomes Fleet Street becomes
Ludgate Hill. Picadilly becomes Bloomsbury Way becomes Theobalds
Road becomes Clerkenwell Road becomes Old Street.

--
John Varela

[John Varela]

On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:29:39 UTC, Erilar
<dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> "John Varela" <newl...@verizon.net> wrote:
> .
> >
> > I'd like to see that on a map. Could you tell us how to find it on
> > bing.com/maps?
>
> I normally use googlemaps. This may or may not work, because it's not one
> of my public maps:
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&gl=us&ui=maps

That URL produces a map of most of North America.

I see you're using Google. After their change of policy I am
avoiding Google sites to the extent possible. I never thought I
would go to a Microsoft product for protection, but I now use Bing
as my primary search engine.

--
John Varela

[nospam]

In article <jj6060$k3h$1...@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> Anyway, here's what my GPS finder says: N 45 23.898'. W 091 42.642น

>
> I know Bing likes those.

google maps didn't like that format so i did a rough conversion to
decimal coordinates and it looks like like chetek, wisconsin.

i then searched for businesses there and apparently, 1/2 and even 1/4
streets are not precise enough. they have to drop to 1/8th streets.

is there something unusual in the water up there?

this resort is at 25 3/8ths street:
<http://www.morningsideresorts.net/index.php/resortmaps/morningside-reso
rts-map>

what's really odd is the road starts due south of 25 1/4 street, yet it
is still called 25 3/8ths street, then turns to where one might expect
25 3/8ths to be. why didn't the name change at the southernmost part,
or in the east/west part?

[Wayne C. Morris]

In article <jj5vk3$gle$2...@dont-email.me>, Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid>

wrote:

> Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>

> > Oh come. Type an ordinary digit after some text. Select the digit. Then go:
> >
> > Format Menu -> Font -> Baseline -> Superscript
> >
> > or better still, put the cursor where you want the reference to the
> > footnote to be. Choose:
> >
> > Insert Menu -> Footnote
> >
> > Pages inserts a new superscripted number at that point, creates space for
> > the footnote text at the bottom of the page, and puts the cursor there
> > for you to enter the footnote text.
>
> Where in the Pages instructions is this hidden?

Hidden? It's clearly listed in the Pages User Guide table of contents: "Adding
and Editing Footnotes and Endnotes". Or look in the index under "footnotes" or
"endnotes".

> The footnotes can't be at the page bottom for this one. Personally, I
> dislike endnotes intensely, but have no choice on this.

Open the Inspector, click the leftmost icon, and click Document. Under
Footnotes & Endnotes, change the first popup menu from "Use Footnotes" to either
"Use Section Endnotes" or "Use Document Endnotes".

[AV3]

On Mar/6/2012 1:3348 PM, isw wrote:
> In article<jj549f$v77$3...@dont-email.me>,
> Erilar<dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>
>> Wes Groleau<Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>>> On 03-05-2012 09:41, erilar wrote:

>>>> ...

>
> In most cases, the<some-letter> is the letter most often associated
> with that particular diacritical mark -- Option-u gets an umlaut,
> Option-e gets accent grave, etc. So Option-u o produces o-umlaut, and
> Option-e a gives a with accent grave.
>

Option-e gets accent acute, so option-e a gives a with accent acute.
Accent grave has its own key, shared with the tilde; on a U. S. English
keyboard it is the farthest left key on the upper (numbers) row. To get
an accent grave over letters, use option-` just as you use option-e for
accent acute. The tilde obtained by shift-` is a separate sign. Use
option-n to put a tilde over letters.


My computer has U. S. Extended as the default U. S. English keyboard
layout. I don't know if the above applies to the simple U. S. or British
English keyboard layouts.


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[Patty Winter]

In article <060320121448131022%nos...@nospam.invalid>,

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>In article <jj6060$k3h$1...@dont-email.me>, Erilar
><dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>
>> Anyway, here's what my GPS finder says: N 45 23.898'. W 091 42.642น
>>
>> I know Bing likes those.
>
>google maps didn't like that format

Google Maps interprets decimal minutes just fine. I use them with
it all the time.

In this cae, I plugged in those numbers and got a closeup map of
Cameron, Wisconsin. You probably forgot to remove the extraneous
period that "Erilar" put after the latitude.


Patty

[nospam]

In article <4f56a588$0$11963$742e...@news.sonic.net>, Patty Winter

<pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:

> >> Anyway, here's what my GPS finder says: N 45 23.898'. W 091 42.642น
> >>
> >> I know Bing likes those.
> >
> >google maps didn't like that format
>
> Google Maps interprets decimal minutes just fine. I use them with
> it all the time.

i usually use decimal degrees, not dms or dm. much easier.

> In this cae, I plugged in those numbers and got a closeup map of
> Cameron, Wisconsin. You probably forgot to remove the extraneous
> period that "Erilar" put after the latitude.

i removed the period and it still complained. as i said, i did a rough
rounding to decimal. cameron is the next town up. the whole area has
wacky street names.

[Wes Groleau]

On 03-06-2012 00:44, TaliesinSoft wrote:
> On 2012-03-05 23:31:04 +0000, Tim Streater said:
>
>> Gosh, a Merkin with a sense of irony.
>
> And does everyone know just what a Merkin is? For those who don't a
> Merkin is a pubic wig. They were frequently sold to women who performed
> burlesque so they wouldn't really be naked.
>

or a cannon-cleaning brush.

(And they're still used in Hollywood sometimes for the purpose you mention.)

--
Wes Groleau

“A man with an experience is never
at the mercy of a man with an argument.”
— Ron Allen

[Wes Groleau]

On 03-06-2012 13:33, isw wrote:
> Many of the diacritical marks show up by typing Option-<some letter>
> (which gets you the mark), followed by typing the letter you want to
> have the mark.
>
> In most cases, the<some-letter> is the letter most often associated
> with that particular diacritical mark -- Option-u gets an umlaut,
> Option-e gets accent grave, etc. So Option-u o produces o-umlaut, and
> Option-e a gives a with accent grave.

You are assuming your reader has the same keyboard layout that you have.
This doesn't help for fractions, and it doesn't work if we have selected
a layout that does help for fractions.

--
Wes Groleau

Free speech has its limits
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW?itemid=99

[Wes Groleau]

On 03-06-2012 18:01, Wayne C. Morris wrote:
> Hidden? It's clearly listed in the Pages User Guide table of contents: "Adding
> and Editing Footnotes and Endnotes". Or look in the index under "footnotes" or
> "endnotes".

Not to mention that if I didn't know, I would just try the method Word
uses, which is the same. Or was the same before that "ribbon" came along.

--
Wes Groleau

Armchair Activism: http://www.breakthechain.org/armchair.html

[Wes Groleau]

On 03-06-2012 02:57, isw wrote:
> Not all fonts have single-glyph fractions. Open up Font Book, do
> Menu/Preview/Repertoire and then scroll around through some fonts.
> Palatino and Bookman (two of my favorites) have them; Caslon Antique and
> Comic Sans do not (or I overlooked them).

OS X is surprisingly good at substituting another font.


--
Wes Groleau

In any formula, constants (especially those obtained
from handbooks) are to be treated as variables.

[Wes Groleau]

On 03-06-2012 02:24, isw wrote:
> In article<jj45ur$i5k$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Wes Groleau<Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>
>> On 03-05-2012 02:07, isw wrote:
>>> So I dutifully told my venerable MT-NW to use UTF-8 (it had been set to
>>> "Western something-or-other"), and now I get:
>>>>>> > Why settle for 3-1/2 when you can get 31â™≥2 with the same number of
>>>>>> > keystrokes?
>>> Which is not exactly an improvement.
>>
>> That is what happens when UTF-8 is rendered by a program that thinks it
>> is "Western something-or-other" So either you didn't actually change it
>> or MT-NW muttered under its breath, "Damned if I'm gonna do that!"
>
> Could be, but if so, it's also lying about it. The pref (I just checked)
> says "Decode unlabeled articles as: Unicode UTF-8". I also have checked
> "Try to detect encodings".

First, when it left my computer, it was not unlabeled. And I doubt
eternal-september removed that header. Oh, yeah, you did say it WAS
labeled.

Is it possible that "Try to detect" took precedence? Not likely, as it
would be a stupid thing to do. But detecting UTF-8 in English is not
easy. In my post, the half was the only character where ASCII differs
from UTF-8. And there were lots of others before it.


--
Wes Groleau

“But, Professor! I didn't plagiarize! I paid someone to
write the essay for me, and that person plagiarized!"
— from http://rateyourstudents.blogspot.com

[Patty Winter]

In article <060320121617071108%nos...@nospam.invalid>,

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>In article <4f56a588$0$11963$742e...@news.sonic.net>, Patty Winter
><pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Anyway, here's what my GPS finder says: N 45 23.898'. W 091 42.642น
>> >>
>> >> I know Bing likes those.
>> >
>> >google maps didn't like that format
>>
>> Google Maps interprets decimal minutes just fine. I use them with
>> it all the time.
>
>i usually use decimal degrees, not dms or dm. much easier.

And Google Maps is fine with those, too. I was just pointing out
that one needn't convert Erilar's coordinates to make them work
with GM.

>> In this cae, I plugged in those numbers and got a closeup map of
>> Cameron, Wisconsin. You probably forgot to remove the extraneous
>> period that "Erilar" put after the latitude.
>
>i removed the period and it still complained.

Weird. Maybe it has something to do with your browser. As I said,
those coords worked fine for me simply by removing the period. I
didn't even have to remove the non-matching minute mark after the
latitude. (I did, of course, remove the spurious question mark at
the very end of the numbers.)


Patty

[erilar]

In article <4f56a588$0$11963$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:

> In this cae, I plugged in those numbers and got a closeup map of
> Cameron, Wisconsin. You probably forgot to remove the extraneous
> period that "Erilar" put after the latitude.

The iPad put the period there of its own volition. It does that 8-)

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

[nospam]

In article <4f56b6af$0$11981$742e...@news.sonic.net>, Patty Winter

<pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:

> >> In this cae, I plugged in those numbers and got a closeup map of
> >> Cameron, Wisconsin. You probably forgot to remove the extraneous
> >> period that "Erilar" put after the latitude.
> >
> >i removed the period and it still complained.
>
> Weird. Maybe it has something to do with your browser.

safari

> As I said,
> those coords worked fine for me simply by removing the period. I
> didn't even have to remove the non-matching minute mark after the
> latitude. (I did, of course, remove the spurious question mark at
> the very end of the numbers.)

weird. i tried a few tweaks to it with no luck and didn't feel like
fussing with it, so i did a rough conversion in my head and was close
enough, just one town south. it has fractional street names too.

[nospam]

In article <drache-B9CFE9....@news.eternal-september.org>,

erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:

> The iPad put the period there of its own volition. It does that 8-)

you hit space bar twice which adds a period. it can be disabled.

[Walter Bushell]

In article <jj2r07$55c$1...@dont-email.me>,

Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> A section is a mile square. Somewhere in the past, someone with the power
> to do so imposed a mathetical grid on the county.

Northwest Ordinance IIRC, passed by the Continental Congress.

--
This space unintentionally left blank.

[isw]

In article <jj656s$tvv$1...@news.albasani.net>,

AV3 <arvi...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> On Mar/6/2012 1:3348 PM, isw wrote:
> > In article<jj549f$v77$3...@dont-email.me>,
> > Erilar<dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> >
> >> Wes Groleau<Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> >>> On 03-05-2012 09:41, erilar wrote:
> >>>> ...
> >
> > In most cases, the<some-letter> is the letter most often associated
> > with that particular diacritical mark -- Option-u gets an umlaut,
> > Option-e gets accent grave, etc. So Option-u o produces o-umlaut, and
> > Option-e a gives a with accent grave.
> >
>
>
> Option-e gets accent acute, so option-e a gives a with accent acute.
> Accent grave has its own key, shared with the tilde; on a U. S. English
> keyboard it is the farthest left key on the upper (numbers) row.

My mistake; I don't parley-voo.

Isaac

[Paul Sture]

Ditto with avoiding Google. At the moment I'm trying out DuckDuckGo,
which has been fine so far.



--
Paul Sture

[Walter Bushell]

In article <iekj29-...@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <pa...@sture.ch>
wrote:

IXQUICK?

[AV3]

On Mar/7/2012 5:3241 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <jj656s$tvv$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> AV3 <arvi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>

>> On Mar/6/2012 1:3348 PM, isw wrote:
>> > In article<jj549f$v77$3...@dont-email.me>,
>> > Erilar<dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Wes Groleau<Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>

>> > ...

>>
>> My computer has U. S. Extended as the default U. S. English keyboard
>> layout. I don't know if the above applies to the simple U. S. or
>> British English keyboard layouts.
>

> Doesn't matter that much, does it? I always put up the Keyboard Viewer
> anyway when it comes to such characters.
>


Actually, it does, if you want to use utf-8 layouts, which are only
available to users of U. S. Extended, Finnish, Irish, and Norwegian.
These provide a particularly convenient way to type diacritics and some
other characters.


It is beyond my personal experience today, but I suppose from my past
experience before OSX that users of other national keyboard layouts have
to use something like Keyboard Viewer to find such characters. I admire
those with good enough memory of lots of four digit/letter codes to use
the Unicode Hex Input keyboard layout regularly.


My guess is that half our regular correspondents in this newsgroup are
not native users of U. S. English.

[Erilar]

Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <proto-9AB770....@news.panix.com>,

> Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <jj2r07$55c$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>>>> A section is a mile square. Somewhere in the past, someone with the power
>>> to do so imposed a mathetical grid on the county.
>>> Northwest Ordinance IIRC, passed by the Continental Congress.
>

> No reason that anyone has to pay any attention to it, seems to me, when laying down roads.

No other county adjoining ours does 8-)


--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

[Erilar]

I know; I just didn't notice I'd done it 8-)


--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

[Erilar]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <4f56a588$0$11963$742e...@news.sonic.net>, Patty Winter
> <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
>

>>>> Anyway, here's what my GPS finder says: N 45 23.898'. W 091 42.642¹

>>>>
>>>> I know Bing likes those.
>>>
>>> google maps didn't like that format
>>
>> Google Maps interprets decimal minutes just fine. I use them with
>> it all the time.
>
> i usually use decimal degrees, not dms or dm. much easier.
>
>> In this cae, I plugged in those numbers and got a closeup map of
>> Cameron, Wisconsin. You probably forgot to remove the extraneous
>> period that "Erilar" put after the latitude.
>
> i removed the period and it still complained. as i said, i did a rough
> rounding to decimal. cameron is the next town up. the whole area has
> wacky street names.

That's my county 8-)

[Erilar]

OK, NOW I see it. But why do they have this style option in such a place
rather than as a footnote-only option? Is there another secret location for
numerical superscript NOT referring to a footnote?

[Erilar]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <jj6060$k3h$1...@dont-email.me>, Erilar

> <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>
>> Anyway, here's what my GPS finder says: N 45 23.898'. W 091 42.642¹
>>
>> I know Bing likes those.
>

> google maps didn't like that format so i did a rough conversion to
> decimal coordinates and it looks like like chetek, wisconsin.
>
> i then searched for businesses there and apparently, 1/2 and even 1/4
> streets are not precise enough. they have to drop to 1/8th streets.
>
> is there something unusual in the water up there?
>
> this resort is at 25 3/8ths street:
> <http://www.morningsideresorts.net/index.php/resortmaps/morningside-reso
> rts-map>
>
> what's really odd is the road starts due south of 25 1/4 street, yet it
> is still called 25 3/8ths street, then turns to where one might expect
> 25 3/8ths to be. why didn't the name change at the southernmost part,
> or in the east/west part?

Getting used to the system includes learning its vagaries. Adding to the
confusion is the fact that some of the towns, including the county seat,
use numbered streets that diverge from the county grid!

[Erilar]

"John Varela" <newl...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:29:39 UTC, Erilar
> <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>
>> "John Varela" <newl...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> .
>>>
>>> I'd like to see that on a map. Could you tell us how to find it on
>>> bing.com/maps?
>>
>> I normally use googlemaps. This may or may not work, because it's not one
>> of my public maps:
>>
>> http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&gl=us&ui=maps
>
> That URL produces a map of most of North America.
>
> I see you're using Google. After their change of policy I am
> avoiding Google sites to the extent possible. I never thought I
> would go to a Microsoft product for protection, but I now use Bing
> as my primary search engine.

I'm stuck with Googlemaps because I have trip itineraries there with
comments linked to web pages and redoing all of them is too onerous. It
hasn't worked properly with my iPad since they mucked it up with a
"mobile" version over a year ago: it crashes when asked to zoom more than
once or twice. It still works on the laptop, however. For maps on the iPad
I use its Maps.app, which I love. It uses google's maps with no hitches,
but I can't share them.

[Paul Magnussen]

John Varela wrote:

> In London, The Mall becomes Strand becomes Fleet Street becomes
> Ludgate Hill. Picadilly becomes Bloomsbury Way becomes Theobalds
> Road becomes Clerkenwell Road becomes Old Street.

But this one seems to be peculiarly American:

You are driving on South Main Street -- as you believe, in a southerly
direction. Next thing you know, you find you're on North Main Street.

What has happened is that you've gone from Main Street in town A to Main
Street in town B.

I took me a few moments to figure that one out, the first time.

As to fonts with fractions:

http://fractionfonts.com/

for Times and Helvetica

Paul Magnussen

[Jim Gibson]

In article <timstreater-CB87...@news.individual.net>, Tim

Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <proto-9AB770....@news.panix.com>,
> Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>

> > In article <jj2r07$55c$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> >
> > > A section is a mile square. Somewhere in the past, someone with the power
> > > to do so imposed a mathetical grid on the county.
> >
> > Northwest Ordinance IIRC, passed by the Continental Congress.
>

> No reason that anyone has to pay any attention to it, seems to me, when
> laying down roads.

In the Western U.S., the federal government gave away sections of land
to the railroads in exchange for laying tracks, but in a checkerboard
pattern: railroads were given odd-numbered sections while the
government kept the even-numbered ones. Putting roads on the line
dividing the sections means that nobody's land is divided by a road,
and nobody can control a road that is located entirely on their
property.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checkerboarding_(land)>

--
Jim Gibson

[Wayne C. Morris]

In article <jj80oq$sp5$4...@dont-email.me>, Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid>
wrote:

What do you mean by "a footnote-only option"? Any document, article or book
should use footnotes or endnotes consistently throughout; using both footnotes
and endnotes, or both numeric and non-numeric tags, would be confusing for the
reader. It therefore makes perfect sense for the footnote & endnote style
options to be located with the other options that apply to the whole document.

> Is there another secret location for
> numerical superscript NOT referring to a footnote?

YES, Pages can do superscript, just like every other word processor I've ever
used in the past 20+ years; I'm pretty sure the original MacWrite had it too.
It's no secret, it's easy to find if you just explore the Format menu and its
submenus.

Why don't you just check the Pages User Guide instead of asking others to do it
for you? Surely you can figure out how to use the Find command to look for the
word "superscript".

[erilar]

In article
<wayne.morris-C5D2...@news.eternal-september.org>,

"Wayne C. Morris" <wayne....@this.is.invalid> wrote:

> YES, Pages can do superscript, just like every other word processor I've ever
> used in the past 20+ years; I'm pretty sure the original MacWrite had it too.
>
> It's no secret, it's easy to find if you just explore the Format menu and its
> submenus.

Totally different from ClarisWorks or AppleWorks, neither of which made
me use three steps, chasing through 3 pull-down menus. I can now do it
more easily from PopChar, where I put the superscript numbers into
Favorites in fonts where they exist. By keeping it set in one of those,
I can add numbers where I please. Pages can open AW6 documents, but
operates on a totally different set of rules. Formerly when I upgraded
my WP, the same rules still obtained in 90% of cases.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

[Erilar]

"Wayne C. Morris" <wayne....@this.is.invalid> wrote:
> In article <jj80oq$sp5$4...@dont-email.me>, Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid>

.
>
>> Is there another secret location for
>> numerical superscript NOT referring to a footnote?
>
> YES, Pages can do superscript, just like every other word processor I've ever
> used in the past 20+ years; I'm pretty sure the original MacWrite had it too.
> It's no secret, it's easy to find if you just explore the Format menu and its
> submenus.
>
> Why don't you just check the Pages User Guide instead of asking others to do it
> for you? Surely you can figure out how to use the Find command to look for the
> word "superscript".

In every Apple WP I've used since I got my first Mac quite a few years ago,
superscript and subscript were in "styles", not "format". It seems almost
everything in Pages in in a nontraditional place.

[John Varela]

On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 22:20:59 UTC, Tim Streater
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-odPWzWh43Vuq@localhost>,
> "John Varela" <newl...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:33:56 UTC, Tim Streater
> > <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-XETqXRldPHdp@localhost>,
> > > "John Varela" <newl...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > And in what way is the European habit of changing the name of a
> > > > street every two or three blocks superior to the cartesian system?
> > >
> > > I'm not aware that we do.
> >
> > In preparation for a trip I have been studying the map of Paris. The
> > practice of changing names every few blocks isn't universal, but
> > it's certainly common. Take Rue de Ponthieu, which parallels the
> > Champs Elysee for three or four blocks then becomes Avenue Gabriel.
> > Avenue Gabriel goes about five blocks, takes a jog around the Place
> > de la Concorde, and becomes Rue de Rivoli, which continues for some
> > distance before becoming Rue Saint-Antoine, which plunges into the
> > Place de la Bastille, emerging on the other side as Rue du Faubourg
> > Saint-Antoine.

> >
> > In London, The Mall becomes Strand becomes Fleet Street becomes
> > Ludgate Hill. Picadilly becomes Bloomsbury Way becomes Theobalds
> > Road becomes Clerkenwell Road becomes Old Street.
>

> And (at least in the London case), these names mean something and have
> some history attached to them.

I'm sure they do. That wasn't the point.

Let me confess that a mile from my home is a road that begins at the
Potomac River as Chain Bridge Road in Arlington County, becomes
Dolley Madison Blvd. when it enters Fairfax County and, when it
passes through the Town of Vienna (home town of Chuck Riggs),
becomes Maple Avenue. Upon exiting Vienna it reverts to Chain Bridge
Road. It retains that name as it passes through the City of Fairfax,
but when it reenters Fairfax County it becomes Ox Road which
eventually enters Occoquan where it becomes Gordon Blvd. and ends
almost back at the Potomac. That, however, is a most unusual example
and, because these name changes occur over a stretch of about 27
miles, is not comparable to the London and Paris examples.

--
John Varela

[Wes Groleau]

On 03-07-2012 18:05, erilar wrote:
> "Wayne C. Morris"<wayne....@this.is.invalid> wrote:
>
>> YES, Pages can do superscript, just like every other word processor I've ever
>> used in the past 20+ years; I'm pretty sure the original MacWrite had it too.
>>
>> It's no secret, it's easy to find if you just explore the Format menu and its
>> submenus.
>
> Totally different from ClarisWorks or AppleWorks, neither of which made
> me use three steps, chasing through 3 pull-down menus. I can now do it
> more easily from PopChar, where I put the superscript numbers into
> Favorites in fonts where they exist. By keeping it set in one of those,
> I can add numbers where I please. Pages can open AW6 documents, but

Using that method means that Pages won't know they are footnotes and
won't renumber them when you insert another.

--
Wes Groleau

It seems a pity that psychology should have
destroyed all our knowledge of human nature.
— G. K. Chesterton

[Wes Groleau]

On 03-07-2012 10:22, AV3 wrote:
> It is beyond my personal experience today, but I suppose from my past
> experience before OSX that users of other national keyboard layouts have
> to use something like Keyboard Viewer to find such characters. I admire
> those with good enough memory of lots of four digit/letter codes to use
> the Unicode Hex Input keyboard layout regularly.

I haven't memorized very many, just the ones I use that I can't get from
a simple key combo. If I need one I haven't memorized, I look it up.
Do that a dozen times and it gets memorized with no special effort.

If I want to type Chinese, Japanese, Cherokee, etc. I just switch to an
appropriate keyboard layout

--
Wes Groleau

Guidelines for judging others:
1. Don't attribute to malice that which
can be adequately explained by stupidity.
2. Don't attribute to stupidity that which
can be adequately explained by ignorance.
3. Don't attribute to ignorance that which
can be adequately explained by misunderstanding.
4. Don't attribute to misunderstanding that which
can be adequately explained by alcohol.

[Walter Bushell]

In article <isw-DCCF80.23570905032012@[216.168.3.50]>,
isw <i...@witzend.com> wrote:

> In article <drache-D05E69....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <jj2hfb$74f$2...@dont-email.me>,

> > Erilar <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> >

> > > > Are your browser and e-mail set to default to UTF-8 ? If not, try it
> > > > and
> > > > see if it fixes the problem.
> > >
> > > I can't tell on the iPad; I'll have to look on the laptop. However, I've
> > > had strange things happen to some characters in replies on usenet
> > > generally
> > > or found oddities in others' posts.
> >
> > OK, I'm on the laptop, and can't find a way to choose UTF-8. It only
> > offers Western(Mac OS Roman) or a European Mac OS????
> >
> > I also can't find ready-made fractions anywhere, even when I pull up
> > font samples including things I can only add to documents I'm going to
> > print, so I apparently don't have a choice anyway 8-)
>
> Not all fonts have single-glyph fractions. Open up Font Book, do
> Menu/Preview/Repertoire and then scroll around through some fonts.
> Palatino and Bookman (two of my favorites) have them; Caslon Antique and
> Comic Sans do not (or I overlooked them).
>
> Isaac

But in any rate do not write three and a half as 31/2 which I have to
assume is 15.5.

[Paul Sture]

On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:22:35 -0500, AV3 wrote:

> Actually, it does, if you want to use utf-8 layouts, which are only
> available to users of U. S. Extended, Finnish, Irish, and Norwegian.
> These provide a particularly convenient way to type diacritics and some
> other characters.
>

Another benefit of buying a US Extended English keyboard. My primary
reason for doing that was to get []{} / # \ without having to reach for
Alt and Alt-Shift combinations when programming on a Swiss German
keyboard. The salesman was curious about my purchase until I explained
why I wanted it, so opened up the keyboard to see for himself and
immediately spotted what I was talking about. I think I made a convert
there :-)

>
> It is beyond my personal experience today, but I suppose from my past
> experience before OSX that users of other national keyboard layouts have
> to use something like Keyboard Viewer to find such characters. I admire
> those with good enough memory of lots of four digit/letter codes to use
> the Unicode Hex Input keyboard layout regularly.

Having used Digital LKxxx keyboards since the late 1980s I feel sorry for
them. Those keyboards had a Compose key which allowed you to get
accented characters: "Compose e /" got you é for example.

>
> My guess is that half our regular correspondents in this newsgroup are
> not native users of U. S. English.

It's not just that; US keyboards can be hard to find in other countries.
My local Apple Store has been offering them as an option with new systems
for a several years, but many dealers don't offer it. For non-Apple
systems they can still be hard to find. I could have probably made a
tidy side income from importing them a few years ago, but my day job was
demanding enough as it was.

--
Paul Sture

[Paul Sture]

On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 21:55:05 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

> In article <070320121253038763%jimsg...@gmail.com>,

> What do you mean by "control a road"? Either it's the public highway, in
> which case the views of the property owner on both sides of the road are
> immaterial, or it's a private road and will be marked thus.

The way I read that I wondered if Jim meant to write "nobody can control
a road that *isn't* located entirely on their property."

FWIW there were a couple of private roads in the (UK) village I grew up
in. Both could have been handy shortcuts for commuters, so the residents
left sections of them in a poor state of repair, potholes and all.

--
Paul Sture

[Wes Groleau]

On 03-07-2012 10:22, AV3 wrote:

> Actually, it does, if you want to use utf-8 layouts, which are only
> available to users of U. S. Extended, Finnish, Irish, and Norwegian.
> These provide a particularly convenient way to type diacritics and some
> other characters.

I'm not sure what you mean. What is a utf-8 layout?

The other items you mentioned a keyboard layouts, so if you are using
one of them, you can't be using another. If you just mean UTF-8
encoding, not so. UTF-8 encoding determines how the character is
encoded in a file or message. It is independent of the keyboard layout
which merely determines which UniCode character is assigned to each
keycode pattern.

--
Wes Groleau

“Missing a train is only painful if you run after it!”
— Nassim Nicholas Taleb

[Jim Gibson]

In article <cvcn29-...@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <pa...@sture.ch>
wrote:

> On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 21:55:05 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:
>
> > In article <070320121253038763%jimsg...@gmail.com>,
> > Jim Gibson <jimsg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >

> >>
> >> In the Western U.S., the federal government gave away sections of land
> >> to the railroads in exchange for laying tracks, but in a checkerboard
> >> pattern: railroads were given odd-numbered sections while the
> >> government kept the even-numbered ones. Putting roads on the line
> >> dividing the sections means that nobody's land is divided by a road,
> >> and nobody can control a road that is located entirely on their
> >> property.
> >>
> >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checkerboarding_(land)>
> >
> > What do you mean by "control a road"? Either it's the public highway, in
> > which case the views of the property owner on both sides of the road are
> > immaterial, or it's a private road and will be marked thus.
>
> The way I read that I wondered if Jim meant to write "nobody can control
> a road that *isn't* located entirely on their property."

No, I meant that if a road runs entirely through your property, it is a
private road and you can forbid anyone else from using it. I am not
trying to argue whether or not this is legal, just that it makes some
sense to put a road on the boundary between two sections so that
neither land-owner can claim the road as their own.

--
Jim Gibson

[AV3]

On Mar/8/2012 7:3142 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
> On 03-07-2012 10:22, AV3 wrote:
>> Actually, it does, if you want to use utf-8 layouts, which are only
>> available to users of U. S. Extended, Finnish, Irish, and Norwegian.
>> These provide a particularly convenient way to type diacritics and some
>> other characters.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean. What is a utf-8 layout?

I may err in terminology, but I referred to the "U" keyboard layouts, i.
e, those with a letter "u" suspended below the national flag of U. S.
Extended, Finnish, Irish, and Norwegian. I assume that "u" indicates
Unicode or utf-8. On those four keyboard layouts there are keyboard
shortcuts for almost all the diacritics and special characters of Latin
alphabet European languages. The only sign lacking in the U. S. Extended
keyboard is the undotted i of Turkish. It used to be option-i, but it
seems to have been dropped with no replacement. The shortcuts generally
follow the pattern I indicated for accents acute and grave.

>
> The other items you mentioned a keyboard layouts, so if you are using
> one of them, you can't be using another. If you just mean UTF-8
> encoding, not so. UTF-8 encoding determines how the character is encoded
> in a file or message. It is independent of the keyboard layout which
> merely determines which UniCode character is assigned to each keycode
> pattern.
>

Again, I am going on my own assumption, but it seems to me that those
four keyboard layouts were designed to facilitate typing the diacritics
and other characters of the languages I mentioned above. Other keyboard
layouts, like French and German, customarily use separate keys for each
of their special characters with diacritics, not leaving enough free
keys for all the diacritics of all the other languages. I. e., German
keyboard layout users may not have full access to the diacritics of
Lithuanian, Hungarian, or Polish, and they may not care as much about
such deprivation as I would were I not a user of U. S. Extended. The
British English keyboard layout occupies a good number of option keys
with the complete Greek alphabet.

[Wes Groleau]

On 03-08-2012 21:24, Jim Gibson wrote:
> No, I meant that if a road runs entirely through your property, it is a
> private road and you can forbid anyone else from using it. I am not

In some (if not all) parts of USA, you cannot use ownership of the road
as justification for preventing someone from getting to and from land he
owns when there is no other way.

[Wes Groleau]

On 03-08-2012 23:33, AV3 wrote:
> Again, I am going on my own assumption, but it seems to me that those
> four keyboard layouts were designed to facilitate typing the diacritics
> and other characters of the languages I mentioned above. Other keyboard

The much larger number of dead-keys does suggest that as a
purpose--perhaps that is what "Extended" means. I have no clue what the
'U' means (maybe it's not even a 'U') but it definitely doesn't mean UTF-8.
All keyboard layouts produce (conceptually) some subset of UniCode,
and whether those characters get encoded in UTF-8, UTF-16, or whatever
is determined by the program they are being sent to.

[PhillipJones]

Wes Groleau wrote:
> On 03-08-2012 21:24, Jim Gibson wrote:
>> No, I meant that if a road runs entirely through your property, it is a
>> private road and you can forbid anyone else from using it. I am not
>
> In some (if not all) parts of USA, you cannot use ownership of the road
> as justification for preventing someone from getting to and from land he
> owns when there is no other way.
>

I can think of an example to bolster Wes Point.

On one side of my Family, The family home place was sold at auction
because the Uncle that finally owned it developed Alzheimer's and the
Money was need to place him ina Rest home that looked after such
patients. Any way there was a Family Cemetery. All the land in and
round the cemetery was sold. But Family members still living have the
right to get to it and maintain it.

On the other side of the Family the land around that family cemetery
was sold. It up on a Hil next to woods. The only way Family members can
get to it is through the current land owners yard. There is no road to
speak of. In both Cases the land owners ca not refuse passage to the
cemeteries, for any reason. If they are abandoned due to all remain
ancestors and their generations to follow have died out or can no longer
get their the thaye can do what they want.