I am on Tiger, PS CS, the printer is a Photosmart B109a-m.
Seems a waste of paper to make what I want on A4 - though I have
had the thought to print a few small different pics on A4,
preparing them as a montage. But then I want to use all these 6"
x 4" photo sheets that have accumulated around the place! Stick
them together to make like an A4 and put them through printer? <g>
Any tips appreciated on how to do it right from the start!
--
dorayme
It depends on the printer. Mine has a separate tray for small stuff. I
usually have card envelopes in it 8-). That way I don't have to take
everything else out to print a single envelope.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
> Never ever printed anything but A4s. But come I want to make a
> smaller print (a photo) on small paper (like 6" x 4") and I
> simply have no clue. I have made every kind of test and I
> carefully put the miserable small photo paper in the right of the
> tray and move the slider to snugly fit on its left and prepare
> the pic for the size I want, I check the Page Setup and make a
> custom size to choose (none of the things in he list seem right?
> A5 is closest.)
>
> I am on Tiger, PS CS, the printer is a Photosmart B109a-m.
I just now ran a quick test, selecting a photo from iPhoto, opting to
print using the iPhoto Print command, selecting 4 by 6 inches in the
Print options pane, and then selecting Print from within that pane. And
the result was a 4 by 6 inch print! The pane does allow you to select
which printer from a list if you have more than one.
I'm running OS X 10.6.5 and my printer is a Canon MP470.
--
James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas
On my setup it shows (in Preview from the print dialog box) a
small print smack bang in the middle of what looks like an A4! So
when I print on a tiny 6" x 4" piece of paper as explained above,
it gets just a bit of the image, the bit that gets into the top
right segment of an A4! That's my problem.
I know everyone else can do all this fine, and I know it is
extremely selfish of me to want the same! But I get real selfish
at Xmas time!
--
dorayme
> Never ever printed anything but A4s. But come I want to make a
> smaller print (a photo) on small paper (like 6" x 4") and I
> simply have no clue. I have made every kind of test and I
> Any tips appreciated on how to do it right from the start!
I'm not sure of the feed options on your printer, but my
current one, a Canon MX870, has a 2nd paper feed. There's
the tray underneath for normal everyday stuff, and there's
a flip-out sheet feed in the back. I just use the back one
for the 4x6 photo paper (and for envelopes and any other
one-off things like labels which I don't want to stick in
the tray). The back feed, in addition to having only one
dimension to adjust (width), also has a much straighter
paper path - the paper goes straight through rather then
getting bent around and re-routed as it does from the tray.
So my rec., if your printer has it, is to use the alt feed.
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You can't define a custom paper size for that printer?
--
Tom Stiller
PGP fingerprint = 5108 DDB2 9761 EDE5 E7E3 7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF
> I have made every kind of test and I
> carefully put the miserable small photo paper in the right of the
> tray and move the slider to snugly fit on its left and prepare
> the pic for the size I want, I check the Page Setup and make a
> custom size to choose (none of the things in he list seem right?
> A5 is closest.)
DRM-
I don't know why there are no common photo sizes listed in Page Setup.
I've had to create custom sizes for 4" X 6" photos and others such as an
envelope smaller than #10. I name them with a common name like
Snapshot, and include the size in the name.
Once you have the custom size setup in Page Setup, the only other
problem might be inserting the paper with the correct edge aligned.
With an adjustable tray, that should be taken care of automatically.
Fred
Well, it should but I have had no luck so far. Someone at the
Christmas lunch said to me hat you have to look "deeply into
submenus" on Macs to get this right, it is not obvious. Be nice
if someone who has same printer could say how they do it.
I have given people way over the top presents this year as a
result, printing A4 photos and putting in big frames for the dumb
reason I can't use the 6" x 4" paper around here. People are now
suspicious of me. Why was I giving them such presents, what was I
up to? I will now be viewed with great suspicion all year by
family and friends. Bo o boy, it was easier when I had my
darkroom, all I did was lower the enlarger head (and it was
electic motored - a Besseler)!
--
dorayme
> I have given people way over the top presents this year as a
> result, printing A4 photos and putting in big frames for the dumb
> reason I can't use the 6" x 4" paper around here.
DRM-
I have the Photosmart D110, which is the US version of the B110. I have
a custom 4 inch X 6 inch paper size set up in Page Setup. Printing your
message to that printer produces a 4 inch X 6 inch printout in the upper
left corner of an 8 1/2 inch X 11 inch sheet of paper, which is where
the photo paper would have been located.
I tried the same thing printing to an HP laser printer, and the text was
printed in the top center of the page, which is where it should be for
that particular printer. Paper sliders move in from each side of the
hand-feed tray, keeping smaller paper centered.
1. Do you have the latest printer firmware installed?
2. Do you have the latest HP printer drivers? Software Update provided
a bunch for HP just prior to the iPad OS 4 release.
3. When you added the B109 printer to System Preferences, did you let
it select a driver or did you manually pick the right one? I see there
is one listed for the B109a-m. Is that the one listed under the Options
& Supplies Driver tab for your printer? (I'm looking at the 10.6.5
version of System Preferences.)
4. If all else fails, try adding a new printer, selecting your B109,
but manually picking the HP Photosmart Wireless B109n-z driver. If no
difference, look for a B209a-m, C309a series or D110 series driver. Who
knows, one might work!
Fred
> Well, it should but I have had no luck so far. Someone at the
> Christmas lunch said to me hat you have to look "deeply into
> submenus" on Macs to get this right, it is not obvious. Be nice
> if someone who has same printer could say how they do it.
Someone led you astray. It depends, of course, on some minor
issues, like a decent and well-written printer driver, but
it should be as easy as selecting Print and then choosing
from the various options in the Print dialog box.
I print 4x6 from iPhoto and it really is that easy. Again,
though, I'm using a different printer from you and some printer
makers write much better drivers than others. I'd avoid HP,
haven't used an Epson in years, and love my current Canon.
Do we *always* want 8.5x11s or do we sometimes really only need ~4x6s?
Do we really want to have to open the paper drawer and change paper size
or paper slot? Do we really want to go into a graphics prg just to pop 4
jpgs into a simple quad? No. But we waste paper by default. Trimming 4
sides of a single 4x6 print on an 8.5x11 sheet is MORE work than just
cutting it in half twice (to get the quad into 4).
Couple years ago I found an app that split a video segment into hundreds
of grids so you could then plug unrelated random images into each grid &
you'd end up with a mosaic- whatever. But I reduced the number of images
per page to just 4 and instead of a folder of video grabs I was able to
feed it just 4 jpgs. It worked! And playing with the options I was able
to have it auto-Quad the 4 images nicely on the page with excellent
sharp color quality. Only problem was that it had thick grey belts both
vert & horiz separating the Quad images. I wanted the belts to merely be
2 lines for your sissors to cut along; this would also maximize the
image size. I contacted the developer, explained all this, sent him the
option choices I had made to get it to Quad, but he was just coming out
with a new ver & I would have had to cough up the shareware fee since I
was upgrading. He never got back to me with his adjusting the belt
thickness down to a line mods, so I gave up. But I do check the New Apps
listings for something similar, but nada, nichts.
Please, someone, invent this wheel for me!!??
[rant mode>off]
-r88
And maybe NONE might work and at the very least it will take a lot of time and
effort to work through all the suggestions people offer for something that
should be sorted before I buy the printer.
> Trimming 4 sides of a single 4x6 print on an 8.5x11 sheet is MORE work
> than just cutting it in half twice (to get the quad into 4).
Except, er, uh, four 4x6 pictures will not fit on an 8.5x11 sheet!
To be remembered is that a printer is a mechanical device with
limitations. A proper printer driver allows one to select from within
the capabilities of the printer. As I posted previously in this thread
I encountered no difficulty in printing onto 4x6 paper from my Canon
MP470 printer, the interface provided me the ability to quickly make a
few choices and get EXACTLY the results I wanted within the
capabilities of the printer.
On 12/24/10 5:14 PM, in article
1244306547314921542.017305...@news.eternal-september
.org, "Erilar" <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
It depends as much on the printer driver and associated setup options. When
I print to my Canon 6600 photo printer, I get 20 size choices, including
4"x6" and credit card sizes, most with/without borders and can select custom
sizes as well. But when I select my Brother laser printer, I get a different
set of size choices.
This is Snow Leopard with iPhoto and Aperture. Your mileage may vary. I
cannot say if your experience is determined by the printer or Photoshop
software. Try printing from iPhoto to see if that makes a difference.
I just did something similar the other day. I used Adobe InDesign to
create a single business card, saved it as a PDF (with crop marks, so I
could easily trim it later), then opened that PDF in Preview, and used
the Page Setup dialog box to print six copies per page. It was
brain-dead easy.
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With either one, are you not also offered the option of creating your
own "custom sizes"?:
<http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/page_setup_custom_sizes.png>
> In article <8nopu8...@mid.individual.net>,
> TaliesinSoft <talies...@me.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2010-12-25 22:24:58 -0600, Reatta88 said:
> >
> > > Trimming 4 sides of a single 4x6 print on an 8.5x11 sheet is MORE work
> > > than just cutting it in half twice (to get the quad into 4).
> >
> > Except, er, uh, four 4x6 pictures will not fit on an 8.5x11 sheet!
> >
> > To be remembered is that a printer is a mechanical device with
> > limitations. A proper printer driver allows one to select from within
> > the capabilities of the printer. As I posted previously in this thread
> > I encountered no difficulty in printing onto 4x6 paper from my Canon
> > MP470 printer, the interface provided me the ability to quickly make a
> > few choices and get EXACTLY the results I wanted within the
> > capabilities of the printer.
>
> I just did something similar the other day. I used Adobe InDesign to
> create a single business card, saved it as a PDF (with crop marks, so I
> could easily trim it later), then opened that PDF in Preview, and used
> the Page Setup dialog box to print six copies per page. It was
> brain-dead easy.
??? Where does one find Page Setup in Preview? It isn't under the File
Menu, and there is no reference to it in the Preview Help docs. I don't
see any Preference that would cause it magically to appear...
Sorry - I meant the standard print dialog box:
<http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/print-n-up.png>
Just to be clear, I'm definitely not disputing the fact that you cannot
physically fit four 4x6 images on a 8.5x11 page. I'm simply stating
that the thing Reatta88 seems to be struggling with is actually very
easy to do! ; )
... brain-dead easy.
> >
> > ??? Where does one find Page Setup in Preview? It isn't under the File
> > Menu, and there is no reference to it in the Preview Help docs. I don't
> > see any Preference that would cause it magically to appear...
>
> Sorry - I meant the standard print dialog box:
>
> <http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/print-n-up.png>
Yes; I was beginning to suspect you meant that. I haven't played with the
Custom Size option on that, but using the Business Card size choice, the
options for multiple printing are limited, with none of them matching
things like Avery business card stock. That's fine if you have a decent
paper cutter for trimming as seems to be implied by your earlier note.
I do a copy-paste replication of business cards to match the Avery
template and print them that way. A bit fussy, but it works.
On 12/26/10 12:03 PM, in article
jollyroger-B30D8...@news.individual.net, "Jolly Roger"
<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> In article <C93CD772.4AB599%bob...@comcast.net>,
> Robert Haar <bob...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> It depends as much on the printer driver and associated setup options. When
>> I print to my Canon 6600 photo printer, I get 20 size choices, including
>> 4"x6" and credit card sizes, most with/without borders and can select custom
>> sizes as well. But when I select my Brother laser printer, I get a different
>> set of size choices.
>
> With either one, are you not also offered the option of creating your
> own "custom sizes"?:
Yes, as I said.
> I used Adobe InDesign to
> create a single business card, saved it as a PDF (with crop marks, so I
> could easily trim it later), then opened that PDF in Preview, and used
> the Page Setup dialog box to print six copies per page. It was
> brain-dead easy.
Yes, nearly everything I don't want to do or have done easily is
brain dead easy.
--
dorayme
> In article <dorayme-DC7564...@albasani.net>,
> dorayme <dor...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > I have given people way over the top presents this year as a
> > result, printing A4 photos and putting in big frames for the dumb
> > reason I can't use the 6" x 4" paper around here.
>
> DRM-
>
> I have the Photosmart D110, which is the US version of the B110. I have
> a custom 4 inch X 6 inch paper size set up in Page Setup. Printing your
> message to that printer produces a 4 inch X 6 inch printout in the upper
> left corner of an 8 1/2 inch X 11 inch sheet of paper, which is where
> the photo paper would have been located.
>
> I tried the same thing printing to an HP laser printer, and the text was
> printed in the top center of the page, which is where it should be for
> that particular printer. Paper sliders move in from each side of the
> hand-feed tray, keeping smaller paper centered.
>
> 1. Do you have the latest printer firmware installed?
>
I bought the printer from an Apple store (one of the superduper
ones in town) along with a Macbook running SL. I use it to print
from my QS2002 running Tiger (in hindsight, I should have got a
wireless version!). I would be less surprised had you remarked
that I should look for an *older*, not a *newer* printer
firmware! Ditto printer drivers, ditto software update (what
would it then be called, software downdate? <g>)
Naturally I will look into your suggestions, but I cannot help
thinking I am missing something simple!
Presumably you are in effect saying that HP unwittingly supplied
a printer (which says it is fine with Tiger and clearly has "6x4"
and "envelopes" etched on its tray and sliders and about two
thousand HP apps to control everything from what I have for
breakfast to praise for when I put in genuine HP cartridges)
which it is difficult to get to print on 6x4 when the paper is
put where it logically should be put according to the tray.
Perhaps Apple only satisfied themselves that the printer works
all the usual things with their end of 2009 computers running SL?
> 2. Do you have the latest HP printer drivers? Software Update provided
> a bunch for HP just prior to the iPad OS 4 release.
>
> 3. When you added the B109 printer to System Preferences, did you let
> it select a driver or did you manually pick the right one? I see there
> is one listed for the B109a-m. Is that the one listed under the Options
> & Supplies Driver tab for your printer? (I'm looking at the 10.6.5
> version of System Preferences.)
>
> 4. If all else fails, try adding a new printer, selecting your B109,
> but manually picking the HP Photosmart Wireless B109n-z driver. If no
> difference, look for a B209a-m, C309a series or D110 series driver. Who
> knows, one might work!
>
Thanks, Fred, I do appreciate all this and will go through all
suggestions. Truth is that now that Xmas is gone, I have not the
same motivation to fiddle with little bits of photopaper. But I
am curious and so probably will!
I have disconnected the usb cable from the QS and will try the
Macbook that runs SL on this little nut to see if it cracks it!
That is my next step!
--
dorayme
> On 12/24/10 5:14 PM, in article
> 1244306547314921542.017305...@news.eternal-september
> .org, "Erilar" <dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>
> > dorayme <dor...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >> Never ever printed anything but A4s. But come I want to make a
> >> smaller print (a photo) on small paper (like 6" x 4") and I
> >> simply have no clue. I have made every kind of test and ...
...
> >> Any tips appreciated on how to do it right from the start!
> >
> >
> Try printing from iPhoto to see if that makes a difference.
Yes, I tried that. It seems not to matter what app I use? My
printer likes A4! It printed a rather nice close up of a flower
the other day on A4. It will happily print any size pic on A4,
centring it fine.
Perhaps 6"x4" bits of paper are simply beneath it? Perhaps I
should be proud of it!
--
dorayme
From your first post:
- Never ever printed anything but A4s. But come I want to make a
- smaller print (a photo) on small paper (like 6" x 4") and I
- simply have no clue. I have made every kind of test and I
- carefully put the miserable small photo paper in the right of the
- tray and move the slider to snugly fit on its left and prepare
- the pic for the size I want, I check the Page Setup and make a
- custom size to choose (none of the things in he list seem right?
- A5 is closest.)
It isn't clear to me what you have and have not tried. As in my note
to Jolly Roger, you should not be in Page Setup, but in the standard
print dialog. The choices you have for paper size obviously include
A4 (which you use all the time) and A5 (as you mention). If the given
list does _not_ include 4"x6" or 10x15 cm, then Manage Custom Sizes
allows you to create any paper size you wish. Click the "+" button
under the list of custom sizes (which may be empty; if not, you can
copy whatever is there by clicking "Duplicate" instead of "+"), and you
can then edit the values given for width and height and any non-
printable margins around the edges). Your new custom size will then
show up for selection in the paper size list.
This functionality should be present for any remotely modern printer,
even if the driver software is not pre-configured to show 4"x6".
This isn't quite "brain dead easy", but it's close. Your first note
suggests you _did_ stumble on the size list, but just didn't know what
to do with it (i.e., click on Manage Custom Sizes). If you actually
_have_ tried to create a custom 4x6 size, and failed, the details of
your procedure, & any error messages, would help in trouble-shooting.
Have you defined a custom size for 6x4?
> As in my note to Jolly Roger, you should not be in Page Setup, but in
> the standard print dialog.
Sorry again for that confusion! My bad.
> In article <dorayme-603D5D...@albasani.net>,
> dorayme <dor...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <jollyroger-0AEFB...@news.individual.net>,
> > Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I used Adobe InDesign to
> > > create a single business card, saved it as a PDF (with crop marks, so I
> > > could easily trim it later), then opened that PDF in Preview, and used
> > > the Page Setup dialog box to print six copies per page. It was
> > > brain-dead easy.
> >
> > Yes, nearly everything I don't want to do or have done easily is
> > brain dead easy.
>
> From your first post:
>
> - Never ever printed anything but A4s. But come I want to make a
> - smaller print (a photo) on small paper (like 6" x 4") and I
> - simply have no clue. I have made every kind of test and I
> - carefully put the miserable small photo paper in the right of the
> - tray and move the slider to snugly fit on its left and prepare
> - the pic for the size I want, I check the Page Setup and make a
> - custom size to choose (none of the things in he list seem right?
> - A5 is closest.)
>
> It isn't clear to me what you have and have not tried. ...
> This functionality should be present for any remotely modern printer,
> even if the driver software is not pre-configured to show 4"x6".
>
> This isn't quite "brain dead easy", but it's close. Your first note
> suggests you _did_ stumble on the size list, but just didn't know what
> to do with it (i.e., click on Manage Custom Sizes). If you actually
> _have_ tried to create a custom 4x6 size, and failed, the details of
> your procedure, & any error messages, would help in trouble-shooting.
Yes, thanks. I did make a custom size at some stage when printing
from PS. But then when I went to iPhoto, the 6x4 was there as a
standard option in some print dialog of this app.
I am wondering how to tell you what I have done that does not
involve me in taking up hours and screenshots put up on
webservers etc. It would be lucky for me if someone with the same
printer wrote out a simple algorithim of how they got success.
I have just tried to print from my Macbook and while the PS CS4
print dialog is very impressive and loaded with every kind of
option, I don't think the printer "gets it".
I am at this very moment downloading the latest drivers (as Fred
suggested). Will take it from there after this and report back. I
will simply try to print from Macbook with SL to avoid
communicating about older QS and Tiger to all you modern young
things.
--
dorayme
> Have you defined a custom size for 6x4?
Yes.
--
dorayme
And exactly what happened when you printed using that custom size and
placed a piece of 6x4 paper into the printer?
> Inability to think outside the box afflicts software writers, printer
> marketers, you name it, but these particular folk we can wonder about
> in this regard.
Um, yeah. It seems to affect writers on usenet, too.
> Why can't they think like a normal user would, to
> whit: if your everyday printing paper is 8.5x11 (or A4 which is
> roughly the same thing), would not the option 'quad printing' 4 images
> per sheet by simply pushing a button and [selecting 4 jpg files >
> print] be a valuable feature. All you would need in addition would be
Have you ever actually looked at the dialog box of print options
which comes up when you print? There is exactly such an option.
There's also 4x6 paper if you don't want to cut anything.
> In article <dorayme-831C62...@albasani.net>,
> dorayme <dor...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <jollyroger-79596...@news.individual.net>,
> > Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Have you defined a custom size for 6x4?
> >
> > Yes.
>
> And exactly what happened when you printed using that custom size and
> placed a piece of 6x4 paper into the printer?
It is described in the thread: "On my setup it shows (in Preview
from the print dialog box) a small print smack bang in the middle
of what looks like an A4! So when I print on a tiny 6" x 4" piece
of paper as explained above, it gets just a bit of the image, the
bit that gets into the top right segment of an A4! That's my
problem."
Anyway, I had success last night on the Macbook. It is not easy
to say what quite was the deciding factor but I downloaded the
latest HP software for this printer that says it works for Tiger
and later.
I notice this morning that one likely relevant software (HP
Photosmart Print.app in Applications under an HP folder) was the
same version as what I had before from the DVD that came with the
printer. The Photosmart B109a-m.app (in user/Library under
Printers) was different as were some other things like the
installer app. I also used PS CS4 (rather than PS CS as on my
Tiger).
I have run the HP software update app on my Tiger just now and it
says the software is up to date! It is lying in the sense that I
now know the latest package from HP online has later versions of
some things (whether they are relevant or not, I am not sure).
I have not fiddled with the Tiger desktop yet to have another go
or update software but am happy that at least the Macbook can
print on 6x4 bits of paper. One thing I might have not done when
installing the HP software before on the MB was have the printer
connected, it was tied to the QS back then.
--
dorayme
You are giving so few details, it's hard to say whether you are doing
something wrong (which I highly suspect), or whether software is somehow
at fault (which I doubt).
Thanks for the pointer.
> There's also 4x6 paper if you don't want to cut anything.
>
--
r88
> But I could not get all 4 pics *into* Preview v4.2 PRINT/PREVIEW in
> order to use those options. Figured it out: open 4 pics in PreView
> then select all 4 thumbs in right column (Doh!). Then FILE/PRINT
> gives: "print 4 images" and you can play with the multi image
Yeah - there is a little bit of subtlety with regard to how
Preview handles multiple documents. Pics are usually individual
files, one per pic, and you are trying to therefore print multiple
documents as a single multi-page document. Preview, as you found,
allows you to do that for photos pretty nicely. If you select the
multiple photos at once and drop them as a batch on to Preview,
they'll come up rather like if they were one larger multi page
document. And then you can do as you were asking.
As far as I know, that only works for photos. If you open up
multiple PDFs, for example, since each one may be a multi-page
document in itself, I don't think it'll put them all into one
larger virtual document the same way.
> Thanks for the pointer.
No problem. Nice to see the followup and that your problem
is now solved.