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Fred Moore
Dec 10, 2014, 12:03:24 PM12/10/14
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From today's Macintouch:
"DiskWarrior <http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html> is a
respected disk repair and recovery utility, based on unique disk
directory repair routines, from Alsoft Inc. A long-awaited DiskWarrior 5
rewrite is finally available, bringing 64-bit code to handle massive
directories (such as those created by Apple's Time Machine) while
retaining support for older Macs (even PowerPC models). Other
improvements include the ability to run from an OS X Recovery partition;
delivery on a bootable flash drive with the ability to update for newer
OS X versions; GUID partition repair; performance enhancements; and even
better disk repair and file-recovery capabilities. DiskWarrior 5 is
priced at $119.95 for Mac OS X 10.5 and later (PowerPC or Intel) and
older versions are available for earlier Macs. Upgrades for existing
owners are $59.95."
Finally!
"DiskWarrior <http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html> is a
respected disk repair and recovery utility, based on unique disk
directory repair routines, from Alsoft Inc. A long-awaited DiskWarrior 5
rewrite is finally available, bringing 64-bit code to handle massive
directories (such as those created by Apple's Time Machine) while
retaining support for older Macs (even PowerPC models). Other
improvements include the ability to run from an OS X Recovery partition;
delivery on a bootable flash drive with the ability to update for newer
OS X versions; GUID partition repair; performance enhancements; and even
better disk repair and file-recovery capabilities. DiskWarrior 5 is
priced at $119.95 for Mac OS X 10.5 and later (PowerPC or Intel) and
older versions are available for earlier Macs. Upgrades for existing
owners are $59.95."
Finally!
Jolly Roger
Dec 10, 2014, 12:07:29 PM12/10/14
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repair when you can simply restore from backup, IMO. To each his own,
though.
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bi...@mix.com
Dec 10, 2014, 12:36:43 PM12/10/14
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Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> writes:
> Personally, I'd rather invest that $120 into backups. Not much need for
> repair when you can simply restore from backup, IMO. To each his own,
> though.
Disk Warrior is handy when helping people who didn't bother to backup.
> Personally, I'd rather invest that $120 into backups. Not much need for
> repair when you can simply restore from backup, IMO. To each his own,
> though.
It can take quite a while to do its thing, but it is less expensive
than US$1700 or so to a recovery service. When it works.
Billy Y..
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Dec 10, 2014, 1:17:41 PM12/10/14
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In article <cercue...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
corruption than restore an entire hard drive. doing that can also
prevent major corruption that would end up with downtime and a full
restore.
<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> > From today's Macintouch:
> >
> > "DiskWarrior <http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html> is a
> > respected disk repair and recovery utility, based on unique disk
> > directory repair routines, from Alsoft Inc. A long-awaited DiskWarrior 5
> > rewrite is finally available, bringing 64-bit code to handle massive
> > directories (such as those created by Apple's Time Machine) while
> > retaining support for older Macs (even PowerPC models). Other
> > improvements include the ability to run from an OS X Recovery partition;
> > delivery on a bootable flash drive with the ability to update for newer
> > OS X versions; GUID partition repair; performance enhancements; and even
> > better disk repair and file-recovery capabilities. DiskWarrior 5 is
> > priced at $119.95 for Mac OS X 10.5 and later (PowerPC or Intel) and
> > older versions are available for earlier Macs. Upgrades for existing
> > owners are $59.95."
> >
> > Finally!
>
> Personally, I'd rather invest that $120 into backups. Not much need for
> repair when you can simply restore from backup, IMO. To each his own,
> though.
it's a helluva lot quicker to run diskwarrior and fix minor directory
> > From today's Macintouch:
> >
> > "DiskWarrior <http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html> is a
> > respected disk repair and recovery utility, based on unique disk
> > directory repair routines, from Alsoft Inc. A long-awaited DiskWarrior 5
> > rewrite is finally available, bringing 64-bit code to handle massive
> > directories (such as those created by Apple's Time Machine) while
> > retaining support for older Macs (even PowerPC models). Other
> > improvements include the ability to run from an OS X Recovery partition;
> > delivery on a bootable flash drive with the ability to update for newer
> > OS X versions; GUID partition repair; performance enhancements; and even
> > better disk repair and file-recovery capabilities. DiskWarrior 5 is
> > priced at $119.95 for Mac OS X 10.5 and later (PowerPC or Intel) and
> > older versions are available for earlier Macs. Upgrades for existing
> > owners are $59.95."
> >
> > Finally!
>
> Personally, I'd rather invest that $120 into backups. Not much need for
> repair when you can simply restore from backup, IMO. To each his own,
> though.
corruption than restore an entire hard drive. doing that can also
prevent major corruption that would end up with downtime and a full
restore.
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Jolly Roger
Dec 10, 2014, 1:27:36 PM12/10/14
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On 2014-12-10, bi...@MIX.COM <bi...@MIX.COM> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> writes:
>
>> Personally, I'd rather invest that $120 into backups. Not much need for
>> repair when you can simply restore from backup, IMO. To each his own,
>> though.
>
> Disk Warrior is handy when helping people who didn't bother to backup.
> It can take quite a while to do its thing, but it is less expensive
> than US$1700 or so to a recovery service. When it works.
Yes, I acknowledge there is value in the tool for some folks. I just
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> writes:
>
>> Personally, I'd rather invest that $120 into backups. Not much need for
>> repair when you can simply restore from backup, IMO. To each his own,
>> though.
>
> Disk Warrior is handy when helping people who didn't bother to backup.
> It can take quite a while to do its thing, but it is less expensive
> than US$1700 or so to a recovery service. When it works.
don't have this need myself. Like I said, to each his own.
nospam
Dec 10, 2014, 1:32:31 PM12/10/14
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In article <slrnm8h3qe....@amelia.local>, Lewis
> expensive. Pretty sure they'd make a lot more money at $40.
it wasn't always $120 which is still cheap when there is a corrupt
drive that needs fixing.
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > DiskWarrior 5 is
> > priced at $119.95 for Mac OS X 10.5 and later (PowerPC or Intel) and
> > older versions are available for earlier Macs. Upgrades for existing
> > owners are $59.95."
>
> My problem with DW is, as it always has been, that $120 is just too
> > DiskWarrior 5 is
> > priced at $119.95 for Mac OS X 10.5 and later (PowerPC or Intel) and
> > older versions are available for earlier Macs. Upgrades for existing
> > owners are $59.95."
>
> expensive. Pretty sure they'd make a lot more money at $40.
it wasn't always $120 which is still cheap when there is a corrupt
drive that needs fixing.
Neill Massello
Dec 10, 2014, 4:17:39 PM12/10/14
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Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> wrote:
> From today's Macintouch:
>
> "DiskWarrior <http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html> is a
> respected disk repair and recovery utility, based on unique disk
> directory repair routines, from Alsoft Inc. A long-awaited DiskWarrior 5
> rewrite is finally available, bringing 64-bit code to handle massive
> directories (such as those created by Apple's Time Machine) while
> retaining support for older Macs (even PowerPC models).
IMHO, this is the biggest selling point for the new version.
> From today's Macintouch:
>
> "DiskWarrior <http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html> is a
> respected disk repair and recovery utility, based on unique disk
> directory repair routines, from Alsoft Inc. A long-awaited DiskWarrior 5
> rewrite is finally available, bringing 64-bit code to handle massive
> directories (such as those created by Apple's Time Machine) while
> retaining support for older Macs (even PowerPC models).
Unfortunately, it comes a full seven years after Time Machine was
introduced in 10.5, during which time users got used to the fact that
DiskWarrior couldn't handle their large TM volumes. After all those
years, how many will care that it now can?
> Other improvements include the ability to run from an OS X Recovery
> partition; delivery on a bootable flash drive with the ability to update
> for newer OS X versions; GUID partition repair; performance enhancements;
> and even better disk repair and file-recovery capabilities.
In the DW comments at MacUpdate, DiskWarrior Proj-Mgr posted that "it
allows customers quick access to DiskWarrior when they need it by using
a combination of the the Recovery environment and an external device
containing DiskWarrior."
<http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11707/diskwarrior/reviews>
The partition repair is nice; but after a partition map got hosed, I
might feel better with a full reformat and restore from backup.
> DiskWarrior 5 is priced at $119.95 for Mac OS X 10.5 and later (PowerPC or
> Intel) and older versions are available for earlier Macs. Upgrades for
> existing owners are $59.95."
DW5 purchases, including upgrades.
> Finally!
But I'm wondering if many users might find this a bit of a "meh" moment.
DiskWarrior 4.4 apparently still runs in Yosemite; and if your Mac can
boot from a "retail" version of OS X, it's not hard to install it on a
16GB flash drive and add a copy of DW 4 (and other repair utilities) to
it. You won't have the Time Machine, partition repair, or other new
features, but are those worth $69? For now, I'm on the fence -- and
waiting to read more reports from users.
Christian
Dec 10, 2014, 4:56:08 PM12/10/14
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Neill Massello <nmas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It should be noted that an additional $8.95 shipping fee applies to all
> DW5 purchases, including upgrades.
It is absolutely not understandable that they do not offer an
> It should be noted that an additional $8.95 shipping fee applies to all
> DW5 purchases, including upgrades.
"electronic delivery" of the product.
Christian
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Dec 10, 2014, 5:05:27 PM12/10/14
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In article <1lwfz1o.1nz6re11qovl7eN%nmas...@yahoo.com>, Neill
didn't hit the limits of the 32 bit version.
i certainly haven't, even with 2 terabyte drives.
however, that's going to change going forward, as drive sizes continue
to get larger and larger.
> Unfortunately, it comes a full seven years after Time Machine was
> introduced in 10.5, during which time users got used to the fact that
> DiskWarrior couldn't handle their large TM volumes.
it takes a lot of time to rewrite an app, especially one such as disk
warrior which needs to be tested with all kinds of possible directory
corruption. the test matrix for that must be insane.
it took apple about 5 years to rewrite final cut for a 64 bit version
and that was only because they removed a substantial amount of
functionality, and that's also with team of programmers and a much
larger budget.
7 years is not unreasonable for a small company to completely rewrite
an app such as diskwarrior from scratch.
> After all those
> years, how many will care that it now can?
plenty, and not just those with corrupted time machine drives.
> > Other improvements include the ability to run from an OS X Recovery
> > partition; delivery on a bootable flash drive with the ability to update
> > for newer OS X versions; GUID partition repair; performance enhancements;
> > and even better disk repair and file-recovery capabilities.
>
> It's not clear that DW5 actually runs *from* the Recovery HD partition.
it does if you put it there.
> In the DW comments at MacUpdate, DiskWarrior Proj-Mgr posted that "it
> allows customers quick access to DiskWarrior when they need it by using
> a combination of the the Recovery environment and an external device
> containing DiskWarrior."
> <http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11707/diskwarrior/reviews>
>
> The partition repair is nice; but after a partition map got hosed, I
> might feel better with a full reformat and restore from backup.
the previous version didn't address partition map issues. if the new
one does, that's a *huge* improvement right there.
> > DiskWarrior 5 is priced at $119.95 for Mac OS X 10.5 and later (PowerPC or
> > Intel) and older versions are available for earlier Macs. Upgrades for
> > existing owners are $59.95."
>
> It should be noted that an additional $8.95 shipping fee applies to all
> DW5 purchases, including upgrades.
big deal.
> > Finally!
>
> But I'm wondering if many users might find this a bit of a "meh" moment.
only the haters.
> DiskWarrior 4.4 apparently still runs in Yosemite; and if your Mac can
> boot from a "retail" version of OS X, it's not hard to install it on a
> 16GB flash drive and add a copy of DW 4 (and other repair utilities) to
> it. You won't have the Time Machine, partition repair, or other new
> features, but are those worth $69? For now, I'm on the fence -- and
> waiting to read more reports from users.
$69 is nothing compared to the value of the data.
for a lot of people, having disk warrior directly support fusion
drives, core storage and drives with zillions of files (e.g., time
machine drives) is well worth it.
Massello <nmas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "DiskWarrior <http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html> is a
> > respected disk repair and recovery utility, based on unique disk
> > directory repair routines, from Alsoft Inc. A long-awaited DiskWarrior 5
> > rewrite is finally available, bringing 64-bit code to handle massive
> > directories (such as those created by Apple's Time Machine) while
> > retaining support for older Macs (even PowerPC models).
>
> IMHO, this is the biggest selling point for the new version.
not really, since for most people, 64 bit doesn't matter, since they
> > "DiskWarrior <http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html> is a
> > respected disk repair and recovery utility, based on unique disk
> > directory repair routines, from Alsoft Inc. A long-awaited DiskWarrior 5
> > rewrite is finally available, bringing 64-bit code to handle massive
> > directories (such as those created by Apple's Time Machine) while
> > retaining support for older Macs (even PowerPC models).
>
> IMHO, this is the biggest selling point for the new version.
didn't hit the limits of the 32 bit version.
i certainly haven't, even with 2 terabyte drives.
however, that's going to change going forward, as drive sizes continue
to get larger and larger.
> Unfortunately, it comes a full seven years after Time Machine was
> introduced in 10.5, during which time users got used to the fact that
> DiskWarrior couldn't handle their large TM volumes.
warrior which needs to be tested with all kinds of possible directory
corruption. the test matrix for that must be insane.
it took apple about 5 years to rewrite final cut for a 64 bit version
and that was only because they removed a substantial amount of
functionality, and that's also with team of programmers and a much
larger budget.
7 years is not unreasonable for a small company to completely rewrite
an app such as diskwarrior from scratch.
> After all those
> years, how many will care that it now can?
> > Other improvements include the ability to run from an OS X Recovery
> > partition; delivery on a bootable flash drive with the ability to update
> > for newer OS X versions; GUID partition repair; performance enhancements;
> > and even better disk repair and file-recovery capabilities.
>
> It's not clear that DW5 actually runs *from* the Recovery HD partition.
> In the DW comments at MacUpdate, DiskWarrior Proj-Mgr posted that "it
> allows customers quick access to DiskWarrior when they need it by using
> a combination of the the Recovery environment and an external device
> containing DiskWarrior."
> <http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11707/diskwarrior/reviews>
>
> The partition repair is nice; but after a partition map got hosed, I
> might feel better with a full reformat and restore from backup.
one does, that's a *huge* improvement right there.
> > DiskWarrior 5 is priced at $119.95 for Mac OS X 10.5 and later (PowerPC or
> > Intel) and older versions are available for earlier Macs. Upgrades for
> > existing owners are $59.95."
>
> It should be noted that an additional $8.95 shipping fee applies to all
> DW5 purchases, including upgrades.
> > Finally!
>
> But I'm wondering if many users might find this a bit of a "meh" moment.
> DiskWarrior 4.4 apparently still runs in Yosemite; and if your Mac can
> boot from a "retail" version of OS X, it's not hard to install it on a
> 16GB flash drive and add a copy of DW 4 (and other repair utilities) to
> it. You won't have the Time Machine, partition repair, or other new
> features, but are those worth $69? For now, I'm on the fence -- and
> waiting to read more reports from users.
for a lot of people, having disk warrior directly support fusion
drives, core storage and drives with zillions of files (e.g., time
machine drives) is well worth it.
Alan Browne
Dec 10, 2014, 7:59:20 PM12/10/14
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On 2014.12.10, 12:03 , Fred Moore wrote:
> From today's Macintouch:
>
> "DiskWarrior <http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html> is a
> respected disk repair and recovery utility, based on unique disk
> directory repair routines, from Alsoft Inc.
My first company was called Alsoft (back in the early 80's). Registered
> From today's Macintouch:
>
> "DiskWarrior <http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html> is a
> respected disk repair and recovery utility, based on unique disk
> directory repair routines, from Alsoft Inc.
Co. I let it die after two projects failed to fly. Ah to be young!
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Alan Browne
Dec 10, 2014, 8:01:25 PM12/10/14
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On 2014.12.10, 12:07 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2014-12-10, Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> wrote:
>> From today's Macintouch:
>>
>> "DiskWarrior <http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html> is a
>> respected disk repair and recovery utility, based on unique disk
>> directory repair routines, from Alsoft Inc. A long-awaited DiskWarrior 5
>> rewrite is finally available, bringing 64-bit code to handle massive
>> directories (such as those created by Apple's Time Machine) while
>> retaining support for older Macs (even PowerPC models). Other
>> improvements include the ability to run from an OS X Recovery partition;
>> delivery on a bootable flash drive with the ability to update for newer
>> OS X versions; GUID partition repair; performance enhancements; and even
>> better disk repair and file-recovery capabilities. DiskWarrior 5 is
>> priced at $119.95 for Mac OS X 10.5 and later (PowerPC or Intel) and
>> older versions are available for earlier Macs. Upgrades for existing
>> owners are $59.95."
>>
>> Finally!
>
> Personally, I'd rather invest that $120 into backups. Not much need for
> repair when you can simply restore from backup, IMO. To each his own,
> though.
Tend to agree. Order disk. Here the next day. Recover from various
> On 2014-12-10, Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> wrote:
>> From today's Macintouch:
>>
>> "DiskWarrior <http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html> is a
>> respected disk repair and recovery utility, based on unique disk
>> directory repair routines, from Alsoft Inc. A long-awaited DiskWarrior 5
>> rewrite is finally available, bringing 64-bit code to handle massive
>> directories (such as those created by Apple's Time Machine) while
>> retaining support for older Macs (even PowerPC models). Other
>> improvements include the ability to run from an OS X Recovery partition;
>> delivery on a bootable flash drive with the ability to update for newer
>> OS X versions; GUID partition repair; performance enhancements; and even
>> better disk repair and file-recovery capabilities. DiskWarrior 5 is
>> priced at $119.95 for Mac OS X 10.5 and later (PowerPC or Intel) and
>> older versions are available for earlier Macs. Upgrades for existing
>> owners are $59.95."
>>
>> Finally!
>
> Personally, I'd rather invest that $120 into backups. Not much need for
> repair when you can simply restore from backup, IMO. To each his own,
> though.
backups. (TM, External drives, DVD's, etc.).
And usually the new disk is 2 - 4 times more capacity than the prior one.
Fred Moore
Dec 10, 2014, 9:04:50 PM12/10/14
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On 12/10/14 12:07 p, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Personally, I'd rather invest that $120 into backups. Not much need for
> repair when you can simply restore from backup, IMO. To each his own,
> though.
I certainly agree that secure, complete backups are imperative. However,
> Personally, I'd rather invest that $120 into backups. Not much need for
> repair when you can simply restore from backup, IMO. To each his own,
> though.
I have personally seen instances where subtle corruption can sneak into
a directory -- incorrect volume block count/totals for example. If not
corrected, these errors end up in all the backups, and the errors can
eventually cause complete directory failure with loss of some or all data.
In a commercial setting, I think it's a good idea to scan important
volumes on a regular basis to repair minor errors before they infest all
the backups and/or snowball into a catastrophic failure on the main
drives. And $60 for an upgrade to stay current is a bargain at twice the
price, as they say.
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Dec 10, 2014, 11:13:17 PM12/10/14
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In article <m69uc7$ot$1...@dont-email.me>, Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org>
wrote:
Meh. I grew accustomed to DW 4 crashing on large volumes years ago.
Recent versions of hfs_fsck can rebuild catalogs, b-trees, metadata, and
volume bitmaps to produce a consistent volume even after data has been
lost. All it doesn't do is validate Finder flags and character
encoding, and I don't think I need to waste more money and burn more DVD
blanks just for that.
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Recent versions of hfs_fsck can rebuild catalogs, b-trees, metadata, and
volume bitmaps to produce a consistent volume even after data has been
lost. All it doesn't do is validate Finder flags and character
encoding, and I don't think I need to waste more money and burn more DVD
blanks just for that.
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Dec 10, 2014, 11:22:51 PM12/10/14
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In article <O8KdnRyZ7u1-cRXJ...@giganews.com>,
backups are better.
I still have bad memories of making RAIDs with Deskstar 75GXP drives and
having them go senile faster than the round trips on warranty
replacements.
Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.12.10, 12:07 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> > On 2014-12-10, Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> wrote:
> >> From today's Macintouch:
> >>
> >> "DiskWarrior <http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html> is a
> >> respected disk repair and recovery utility, based on unique disk
> >> directory repair routines, from Alsoft Inc. A long-awaited DiskWarrior 5
> >> rewrite is finally available, bringing 64-bit code to handle massive
> >> directories (such as those created by Apple's Time Machine) while
> >> retaining support for older Macs (even PowerPC models). Other
> >> improvements include the ability to run from an OS X Recovery partition;
> >> delivery on a bootable flash drive with the ability to update for newer
> >> OS X versions; GUID partition repair; performance enhancements; and even
> >> better disk repair and file-recovery capabilities. DiskWarrior 5 is
> >> priced at $119.95 for Mac OS X 10.5 and later (PowerPC or Intel) and
> >> older versions are available for earlier Macs. Upgrades for existing
> >> owners are $59.95."
> >>
> >> Finally!
> >
> > Personally, I'd rather invest that $120 into backups. Not much need for
> > repair when you can simply restore from backup, IMO. To each his own,
> > though.
>
> Tend to agree. Order disk. Here the next day. Recover from various
> backups. (TM, External drives, DVD's, etc.).
>
> And usually the new disk is 2 - 4 times more capacity than the prior one.
I run fsck/fsck_hfs/e2fsck even while building a replacement RAID. More
> On 2014.12.10, 12:07 , Jolly Roger wrote:
> > On 2014-12-10, Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> wrote:
> >> From today's Macintouch:
> >>
> >> "DiskWarrior <http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html> is a
> >> respected disk repair and recovery utility, based on unique disk
> >> directory repair routines, from Alsoft Inc. A long-awaited DiskWarrior 5
> >> rewrite is finally available, bringing 64-bit code to handle massive
> >> directories (such as those created by Apple's Time Machine) while
> >> retaining support for older Macs (even PowerPC models). Other
> >> improvements include the ability to run from an OS X Recovery partition;
> >> delivery on a bootable flash drive with the ability to update for newer
> >> OS X versions; GUID partition repair; performance enhancements; and even
> >> better disk repair and file-recovery capabilities. DiskWarrior 5 is
> >> priced at $119.95 for Mac OS X 10.5 and later (PowerPC or Intel) and
> >> older versions are available for earlier Macs. Upgrades for existing
> >> owners are $59.95."
> >>
> >> Finally!
> >
> > Personally, I'd rather invest that $120 into backups. Not much need for
> > repair when you can simply restore from backup, IMO. To each his own,
> > though.
>
> Tend to agree. Order disk. Here the next day. Recover from various
> backups. (TM, External drives, DVD's, etc.).
>
> And usually the new disk is 2 - 4 times more capacity than the prior one.
backups are better.
I still have bad memories of making RAIDs with Deskstar 75GXP drives and
having them go senile faster than the round trips on warranty
replacements.
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Dec 11, 2014, 6:49:42 AM12/11/14
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On 2014-12-10 21:17:37 +0000, nmas...@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) said:
> But I'm wondering if many users might find this a bit of a "meh" moment.
> DiskWarrior 4.4 apparently still runs in Yosemite; and if your Mac can
> boot from a "retail" version of OS X, it's not hard to install it on a
> 16GB flash drive and add a copy of DW 4 (and other repair utilities) to
> it. You won't have the Time Machine, partition repair, or other new
> features, but are those worth $69? For now, I'm on the fence -- and
> waiting to read more reports from users.
Exactly... and I'm a huge fan of DW.
> But I'm wondering if many users might find this a bit of a "meh" moment.
> DiskWarrior 4.4 apparently still runs in Yosemite; and if your Mac can
> boot from a "retail" version of OS X, it's not hard to install it on a
> 16GB flash drive and add a copy of DW 4 (and other repair utilities) to
> it. You won't have the Time Machine, partition repair, or other new
> features, but are those worth $69? For now, I'm on the fence -- and
> waiting to read more reports from users.
I have used DW for years... ever since Norton Utilities completely hosed my HD.
Nothing would touch the drive, except DW.
That being said, $68 for an upgrade? Maybe if I had a Time Machine
backup, or large drives - but absent that, DW 4.4 works fine with
Yosemite right now. Why upgrade now if I don't need to? It ain't the
money...
I mean, if it becomes a necessity, I can always upgrade IF I need it in
the future.
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Dec 11, 2014, 9:40:26 AM12/11/14
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In article <mcmurtrie-FE1BE...@news.sonic.net>,
(you might want to add aioe and mixmin to that, no? ah fuck it, why not
just read only your own posts and have done with it?)
--
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing room scene.
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Kevin McMurtrie <mcmu...@pixelmemory.us> wrote:
> I will not see posts from astraweb, theremailer, dizum, or google
> because they host Usenet flooders.
I wish I had your Purity of Essence ...
> I will not see posts from astraweb, theremailer, dizum, or google
> because they host Usenet flooders.
(you might want to add aioe and mixmin to that, no? ah fuck it, why not
just read only your own posts and have done with it?)
--
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing room scene.
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Brian Gordon
Dec 11, 2014, 12:06:53 PM12/11/14
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In article <slrnm8iqdn....@amelia.local>,
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>Okay, so one time? In band camp? Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> was all, like:
>corruption. Heavy corruption, yes.
>
Subtle corruption is the minor, possibly unnoticible stuff that, if
uncorrected, can lead to heavy corruption. An ounce of prevention, etc.
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Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>Okay, so one time? In band camp? Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> was all, like:
>> On 12/10/14 12:07 p, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> Personally, I'd rather invest that $120 into backups. Not much need for
>>> repair when you can simply restore from backup, IMO. To each his own,
>>> though.
>
>> I certainly agree that secure, complete backups are imperative. However,
>> I have personally seen instances where subtle corruption can sneak into
>> a directory -- incorrect volume block count/totals for example. If not
>> corrected, these errors end up in all the backups, and the errors can
>> eventually cause complete directory failure with loss of some or all data.
>
>How often has that happened? I've never seen anything like subtle
>>> Personally, I'd rather invest that $120 into backups. Not much need for
>>> repair when you can simply restore from backup, IMO. To each his own,
>>> though.
>
>> I certainly agree that secure, complete backups are imperative. However,
>> I have personally seen instances where subtle corruption can sneak into
>> a directory -- incorrect volume block count/totals for example. If not
>> corrected, these errors end up in all the backups, and the errors can
>> eventually cause complete directory failure with loss of some or all data.
>
>corruption. Heavy corruption, yes.
>
Subtle corruption is the minor, possibly unnoticible stuff that, if
uncorrected, can lead to heavy corruption. An ounce of prevention, etc.
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nospam
Dec 11, 2014, 5:25:01 PM12/11/14
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In article <m6civa$rki$1...@reader1.panix.com>, Brian Gordon
<bri...@panix.com> wrote:
> >How often has that happened? I've never seen anything like subtle
> >corruption. Heavy corruption, yes.
>
> Subtle corruption is the minor, possibly unnoticible stuff that, if
> uncorrected, can lead to heavy corruption. An ounce of prevention, etc.
exactly.
> >How often has that happened? I've never seen anything like subtle
> >corruption. Heavy corruption, yes.
>
> Subtle corruption is the minor, possibly unnoticible stuff that, if
> uncorrected, can lead to heavy corruption. An ounce of prevention, etc.
John Varela
Dec 11, 2014, 6:45:32 PM12/11/14
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:07:26 UTC, Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com>
wrote:
> On 2014-12-10, Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> wrote:
> > From today's Macintouch:
> >
> > "DiskWarrior <http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html> is a
> > respected disk repair and recovery utility, based on unique disk
> > directory repair routines, from Alsoft Inc. A long-awaited DiskWarrior 5
> > rewrite is finally available, bringing 64-bit code to handle massive
> > directories (such as those created by Apple's Time Machine) while
> > retaining support for older Macs (even PowerPC models). Other
> > improvements include the ability to run from an OS X Recovery partition;
> > delivery on a bootable flash drive with the ability to update for newer
> > OS X versions; GUID partition repair; performance enhancements; and even
> > better disk repair and file-recovery capabilities. DiskWarrior 5 is
> > priced at $119.95 for Mac OS X 10.5 and later (PowerPC or Intel) and
> > older versions are available for earlier Macs. Upgrades for existing
> > owners are $59.95."
> >
> > Finally!
>
> Personally, I'd rather invest that $120 into backups. Not much need for
> repair when you can simply restore from backup, IMO. To each his own,
> though.
Several years ago my Time Machine drive was corrupted. There is no
backup to the backup. Dick Utility and Tech Tools couldn't restore
the drive but Disk Warrior did. I suppose I could have done without
a couple of years of old files, but I felt better having them
available.
Yes, I also had two current backups, one of them off-site. I lost
the place where I kept the off-site copy, so now I keep one in the
trunk of the car.
--
John Varela
wrote:
> On 2014-12-10, Fred Moore <fmo...@gcfn.org> wrote:
> > From today's Macintouch:
> >
> > "DiskWarrior <http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html> is a
> > respected disk repair and recovery utility, based on unique disk
> > directory repair routines, from Alsoft Inc. A long-awaited DiskWarrior 5
> > rewrite is finally available, bringing 64-bit code to handle massive
> > directories (such as those created by Apple's Time Machine) while
> > retaining support for older Macs (even PowerPC models). Other
> > improvements include the ability to run from an OS X Recovery partition;
> > delivery on a bootable flash drive with the ability to update for newer
> > OS X versions; GUID partition repair; performance enhancements; and even
> > better disk repair and file-recovery capabilities. DiskWarrior 5 is
> > priced at $119.95 for Mac OS X 10.5 and later (PowerPC or Intel) and
> > older versions are available for earlier Macs. Upgrades for existing
> > owners are $59.95."
> >
> > Finally!
>
> Personally, I'd rather invest that $120 into backups. Not much need for
> repair when you can simply restore from backup, IMO. To each his own,
> though.
backup to the backup. Dick Utility and Tech Tools couldn't restore
the drive but Disk Warrior did. I suppose I could have done without
a couple of years of old files, but I felt better having them
available.
Yes, I also had two current backups, one of them off-site. I lost
the place where I kept the off-site copy, so now I keep one in the
trunk of the car.
--
John Varela
David Empson
Dec 11, 2014, 7:44:17 PM12/11/14
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to flash drives.
Unfortunately they haven't improved their distribution mechanism:
upgrading to DW 5 requires them to physically post you a flash drive
containing the application, which I assume will be branded in some way
with your serial number (as was the case with the DVDs used by DW4 and
earlier).
New buyers (at full price) can get a download version immediately and
the flash drive posted to them. I don't know why they don't also offer
that for upgrades.
I expect that subsequent minor updates should be downloadable but will
need to update the official flash drive.
I ordered an upgrade to DW5 about two days ago (as soon as I was aware
of it), and they shipped it today. If I'm lucky it should just arrive
before Christmas, based on a recent US First Class Mail delivery taking
ten days to reach me in New Zealand.
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FPP
Dec 11, 2014, 9:27:46 PM12/11/14
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On 2014-12-11 19:44:15 -0500, dem...@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) said:
> Unfortunately they haven't improved their distribution mechanism:
> upgrading to DW 5 requires them to physically post you a flash drive
> containing the application, which I assume will be branded in some way
> with your serial number (as was the case with the DVDs used by DW4 and
> earlier).
>
> New buyers (at full price) can get a download version immediately and
> the flash drive posted to them. I don't know why they don't also offer
> that for upgrades.
Did it specify what size flash drive? I don't remember seeing that...
> Unfortunately they haven't improved their distribution mechanism:
> upgrading to DW 5 requires them to physically post you a flash drive
> containing the application, which I assume will be branded in some way
> with your serial number (as was the case with the DVDs used by DW4 and
> earlier).
>
> New buyers (at full price) can get a download version immediately and
> the flash drive posted to them. I don't know why they don't also offer
> that for upgrades.
I also don't understand the need for a flash drive. I already have a
ton of flash drives already... in fact, I have a flash drive for every
OS from Snow Leopard through Yosemite with a copy of DW, Onyx and
Superduper already on it.
All I really need to do is copy over DW 5, and I'm done.
Unless there's some kind of restriction on the flash drive they send
you, what is it needed for? I'm going to assume it will still run off
of a HD, rather than exclusively off the flash drive.
Otherwise, I won't be upgrading at ANY price. Running off a flash
drive may be a necessity sometimes - but I already have a number of
bootable operating systems on my tower. Flash drives are maddeningly S
L O W.
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David Empson
Dec 11, 2014, 11:21:35 PM12/11/14
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FPP <fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2014-12-11 19:44:15 -0500, dem...@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) said:
>
> > Unfortunately they haven't improved their distribution mechanism:
> > upgrading to DW 5 requires them to physically post you a flash drive
> > containing the application, which I assume will be branded in some way
> > with your serial number (as was the case with the DVDs used by DW4 and
> > earlier).
> >
> > New buyers (at full price) can get a download version immediately and
> > the flash drive posted to them. I don't know why they don't also offer
> > that for upgrades.
>
> Did it specify what size flash drive? I don't remember seeing that...
I expect it is in the order of 8 GB, as it needs to be big enough to fit
> On 2014-12-11 19:44:15 -0500, dem...@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) said:
>
> > Unfortunately they haven't improved their distribution mechanism:
> > upgrading to DW 5 requires them to physically post you a flash drive
> > containing the application, which I assume will be branded in some way
> > with your serial number (as was the case with the DVDs used by DW4 and
> > earlier).
> >
> > New buyers (at full price) can get a download version immediately and
> > the flash drive posted to them. I don't know why they don't also offer
> > that for upgrades.
>
> Did it specify what size flash drive? I don't remember seeing that...
a bootable OS X system copied from your startup volume.
> I also don't understand the need for a flash drive. I already have a
> ton of flash drives already... in fact, I have a flash drive for every
> OS from Snow Leopard through Yosemite with a copy of DW, Onyx and
> Superduper already on it.
>
> All I really need to do is copy over DW 5, and I'm done.
> Unless there's some kind of restriction on the flash drive they send
> you, what is it needed for? I'm going to assume it will still run off
> of a HD, rather than exclusively off the flash drive.
their branding or copy protection mechanism. I'll know more when it
arrives and I have time to look at it.
> Otherwise, I won't be upgrading at ANY price. Running off a flash
> drive may be a necessity sometimes - but I already have a number of
> bootable operating systems on my tower. Flash drives are maddeningly S
> L O W.
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FPP
Dec 12, 2014, 3:12:18 AM12/12/14
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flash? I'm hoping that's true... but I think I'll wait until I hear
from you after you've gotten your copy.
Please drop us a line when you get the chance.
I don't remember their current copy protection scheme requiring a
password before I copied the app to my flash drives. I recall it
asking way back when... but that was years ago.
Neill Massello
Dec 12, 2014, 4:36:23 AM12/12/14
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David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> I expect it is in the order of 8 GB, as it needs to be big enough to fit
> a bootable OS X system copied from your startup volume.
My layman's WAG is that the Recovery HD partition will be the source for
> I expect it is in the order of 8 GB, as it needs to be big enough to fit
> a bootable OS X system copied from your startup volume.
updating the DW flash drive. That would leave most the heavy lifting --
selecting the essential components necessary for booting the hardware in
question -- to Apple, keep DW's updater app relatively simple, and
exploit the RAM disk approach used by Recovery HD. Alsoft's promotional
material makes a point of stating that DiskWarrior 5 is designed to run
in the Recovery HD environment as well as in a full OS installation.
The bootable DW optical discs came in under 2GB, and my Mavericks
Recovery partition is only 650MB, so it could probably be managed on a
4GB drive. But Alsoft will probably use at least an 8, as the paltry
additional cost is well worth the added flexibility.
FPP
Dec 12, 2014, 5:32:11 AM12/12/14
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full OS would probably be a good thing.
When you wipe a HD, and reinstall from a backup, the Recovery partition
gets hosed in the process. Since I have multiple drives and multiple
operating systems, I've never really been without any number of drives
from which to launch recovery tools... just not an Apple installed
recovery drive.
David Empson
Dec 12, 2014, 6:52:39 AM12/12/14
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> Your assuming that you'll be able to just copy DW 5 over to an existing
> flash? I'm hoping that's true... but I think I'll wait until I hear
> from you after you've gotten your copy.
>
> Please drop us a line when you get the chance.
Will do.
> flash? I'm hoping that's true... but I think I'll wait until I hear
> from you after you've gotten your copy.
>
> Please drop us a line when you get the chance.
> I don't remember their current copy protection scheme requiring a
> password before I copied the app to my flash drives. I recall it
> asking way back when... but that was years ago.
is printed on the DVD supplied by Alsoft, and when they supplied an
update, you needed to insert your DVD and enter your serial number (I
recall being annoyed by this once because you can't read the serial
number off the DVD while it is in the drive, so you need to remember it
or write it down); the updater then copied the DVD and burned a new one
with an updated application.
Once you got through all of that rigmarole, there was no problem copying
the application off the DVD and installing it on your hard drive (or
another drive). It has been such a long time since I did that for DW4, I
don't recall whether it asked for the serial number again when running
such a copy for the first time, or whether it was already burned into
the application before it was copied from the DVD.
Whichever was the case, I expect there will be a similar mechanism for
the flash drive supplied by Alsoft for DW5.
--
David Empson
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David Empson
Dec 12, 2014, 6:52:40 AM12/12/14
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Neill Massello <nmas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>
> > I expect it is in the order of 8 GB, as it needs to be big enough to fit
> > a bootable OS X system copied from your startup volume.
>
> My layman's WAG is that the Recovery HD partition will be the source for
> updating the DW flash drive.
DW5 supports OS X 10.5.8 and later, and there is no recovery partition
> David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>
> > I expect it is in the order of 8 GB, as it needs to be big enough to fit
> > a bootable OS X system copied from your startup volume.
>
> My layman's WAG is that the Recovery HD partition will be the source for
> updating the DW flash drive.
prior to 10.7, so it can't be depending on the recovery partition at
least for older OS X versions.
They could be using a mixed solution: copy a predefined subset of files
for 10.5.x or 10.6.x; use the recovery partition for 10.7.x and later.
No doubt it will make more sense once someone actually gets it and
reports on the details.
> That would leave most the heavy lifting -- selecting the essential
> components necessary for booting the hardware in question -- to Apple,
> keep DW's updater app relatively simple, and exploit the RAM disk approach
> used by Recovery HD. Alsoft's promotional material makes a point of
> stating that DiskWarrior 5 is designed to run in the Recovery HD
> environment as well as in a full OS installation.
have an obvious way of launching anything outside its standard set of
applications, other than going via Terminal and typing in commands.
> The bootable DW optical discs came in under 2GB, and my Mavericks
> Recovery partition is only 650MB, so it could probably be managed on a
> 4GB drive. But Alsoft will probably use at least an 8, as the paltry
> additional cost is well worth the added flexibility.
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz
Neill Massello
Dec 12, 2014, 11:32:44 AM12/12/14
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David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> DW5 supports OS X 10.5.8 and later, and there is no recovery partition
> prior to 10.7, so it can't be depending on the recovery partition at
> least for older OS X versions.
>
> They could be using a mixed solution: copy a predefined subset of files
> for 10.5.x or 10.6.x; use the recovery partition for 10.7.x and later.
The flash drive doesn't need any modifications to boot older Intel Macs.
> DW5 supports OS X 10.5.8 and later, and there is no recovery partition
> prior to 10.7, so it can't be depending on the recovery partition at
> least for older OS X versions.
>
> They could be using a mixed solution: copy a predefined subset of files
> for 10.5.x or 10.6.x; use the recovery partition for 10.7.x and later.
From the DW 5 requirements page:
"The DiskWarrior Recovery flash drive ships with the ability to start up
any Intel Mac that originally came with OS X 10.4, 10.5 or 10.6
installed. If you have a newer Intel Mac, you can use the included
DiskWarrior Recovery Maker to update the DiskWarrior Recovery flash
drive to start up your newer Mac."
<http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/requirements.html>
Paul Sture
Dec 13, 2014, 10:24:09 AM12/13/14
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tells me that not all USB sticks are made equal. I was not alone in this,
and yes, the same USB sticks that failed under DiskMaker X _did_ work with
the Terminal incantations.
My take on this is that by providing a USB stick, the DW folks are
ensuring that one of a known quality will be used in conjunction with
their software product. I can imagine that they will be saving on long
term support costs here by avoiding the situation where customers swear
blind that their self-provided USB sticks are OK but in fact aren't
(could be inferior quality and we cannot ignore the possibility of
lurking malware on a USB stick that has been used previously).
>> Otherwise, I won't be upgrading at ANY price. Running off a flash
>> drive may be a necessity sometimes - but I already have a number of
>> bootable operating systems on my tower. Flash drives are maddeningly
>> S L O W.
times during a recovery operation.
--
Is recronstruction something which is rebuilt periodically in UNIX?
Paul Sture
Dec 13, 2014, 10:24:10 AM12/13/14
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> It didn't ask for a "password": for DW4 and earlier, the serial number
> is printed on the DVD supplied by Alsoft, and when they supplied an
> update, you needed to insert your DVD and enter your serial number (I
> recall being annoyed by this once because you can't read the serial
> number off the DVD while it is in the drive, so you need to remember it
> or write it down); the updater then copied the DVD and burned a new one
> with an updated application.
That can be a real pain in the neck, particularly where the OS either
> is printed on the DVD supplied by Alsoft, and when they supplied an
> update, you needed to insert your DVD and enter your serial number (I
> recall being annoyed by this once because you can't read the serial
> number off the DVD while it is in the drive, so you need to remember it
> or write it down); the updater then copied the DVD and burned a new one
> with an updated application.
refuses to open the DVD drawer or once opened tries to close it before
you have had chance to remove the disk.
FWIW I got into the habit of taking a photo of serial numbers when I was
doing Windows installations a few years ago. The Windows authorisation
key would typically be attached to the computer but other software keys
would be on discs or paper; it was much easier to pull the lot together
for a system by pasting photos into one document.
--
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and 19 others to install new sockets to do it their own way.
FPP
Dec 13, 2014, 3:49:34 PM12/13/14
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On 2014-12-13 12:15:39 +0000, Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> said:
> On 2014-12-12, David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>>
>> It didn't ask for a "password": for DW4 and earlier, the serial number
>> is printed on the DVD supplied by Alsoft, and when they supplied an
>> update, you needed to insert your DVD and enter your serial number (I
>> recall being annoyed by this once because you can't read the serial
>> number off the DVD while it is in the drive, so you need to remember it
>> or write it down); the updater then copied the DVD and burned a new one
>> with an updated application.
>
> That can be a real pain in the neck, particularly where the OS either
> refuses to open the DVD drawer or once opened tries to close it before
> you have had chance to remove the disk.
>
> FWIW I got into the habit of taking a photo of serial numbers when I was
> doing Windows installations a few years ago. The Windows authorisation
> key would typically be attached to the computer but other software keys
> would be on discs or paper; it was much easier to pull the lot together
> for a system by pasting photos into one document.
I also use 1Password for my password logins. I just store any new
> On 2014-12-12, David Empson <dem...@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>>
>> It didn't ask for a "password": for DW4 and earlier, the serial number
>> is printed on the DVD supplied by Alsoft, and when they supplied an
>> update, you needed to insert your DVD and enter your serial number (I
>> recall being annoyed by this once because you can't read the serial
>> number off the DVD while it is in the drive, so you need to remember it
>> or write it down); the updater then copied the DVD and burned a new one
>> with an updated application.
>
> That can be a real pain in the neck, particularly where the OS either
> refuses to open the DVD drawer or once opened tries to close it before
> you have had chance to remove the disk.
>
> FWIW I got into the habit of taking a photo of serial numbers when I was
> doing Windows installations a few years ago. The Windows authorisation
> key would typically be attached to the computer but other software keys
> would be on discs or paper; it was much easier to pull the lot together
> for a system by pasting photos into one document.
software keys in there. So long as you do it religiously, you can't
lose any registration info.
As far as flash media goes, I've never found one that wouldn't boot.
Some wouldn't work with DiskmakerX, but I can always just do an install
from Apple's own installer.
It takes eons, but it works...
Kevin McMurtrie
Dec 17, 2014, 1:38:11 AM12/17/14
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In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-2SeOZxMsC3dy@localhost>,
Get a newer version of fsck_hfs. The old one would abort if there was
permanent data loss while the new can continue. This gets you past the
infamous cross-linked files problem. (Two or more files destroyed
because they're overlapping)
--
permanent data loss while the new can continue. This gets you past the
infamous cross-linked files problem. (Two or more files destroyed
because they're overlapping)
--
Neill Massello
Dec 20, 2014, 2:25:46 PM12/20/14
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And from a MacInTouch reader on 20 December, a very useful report.
<http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/harddrives/index.html#d20dec2014>
<http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/harddrives/index.html#d20dec2014>
FPP
Dec 21, 2014, 2:23:32 AM12/21/14
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That alone will probably stop me from buying it. Every time I think
about to buying it, I remember that I have to wait to get it on a flash
drive, and the urge passes.
Dumbest thing I've ever heard of...
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nospam
Dec 22, 2014, 1:27:49 PM12/22/14
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In article <slrnm9ffa5....@amelia.local>, Lewis
> reinforced with how long it took them to release a 64bit update.
by that metric, apple is a 90s company because apple took about as long
to release a 64 bit version of final cut pro, and that's only by
removing a lot of features in the process.
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> > I'm still pissed that I can't simply download the upgrade.
>
> This tells me they are still a 90s company with 90s mentality. That is
> > I'm still pissed that I can't simply download the upgrade.
>
> reinforced with how long it took them to release a 64bit update.
by that metric, apple is a 90s company because apple took about as long
to release a 64 bit version of final cut pro, and that's only by
removing a lot of features in the process.
Greg Pratt
Jan 19, 2015, 1:13:29 PM1/19/15
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In article <1lwgn2p.fsfp8b1s028liN%christi...@ghanart.org>,
Christian <christi...@ghanart.org> wrote:
>Neill Massello <nmas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> It should be noted that an additional $8.95 shipping fee applies to all
>> DW5 purchases, including upgrades.
>
>It is absolutely not understandable that they do not offer an
>"electronic delivery" of the product.
Following placement of my order last week, Alsoft contacted me via
e-mail over the weekend to verify my delivery address. I had moved
since my original purchase of DiskWarrior some years ago, and neither
the billing nor the shipping address matched what they had on file.
My suspicion is that they are starting fresh with new serial numbers
(the one used for all prior versions was the same one I got with the
initial purchase), as well as making sure customer records are up to
date.
It's also possible they're having some sort of licensing or technical
issue WRT providing bootable CD or DVD images.
I'll have to wait for the arrival of my USB stick to find out. And I
intend to check out what's on it before actually using it.
--
Gregory Pratt g...@panix.com
South Orange, NJ, USA http://www.panix.com/~gp/
"You're only given one little spark of madness. You mustn't lose it."
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Christian <christi...@ghanart.org> wrote:
>Neill Massello <nmas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> It should be noted that an additional $8.95 shipping fee applies to all
>> DW5 purchases, including upgrades.
>
>It is absolutely not understandable that they do not offer an
>"electronic delivery" of the product.
Following placement of my order last week, Alsoft contacted me via
e-mail over the weekend to verify my delivery address. I had moved
since my original purchase of DiskWarrior some years ago, and neither
the billing nor the shipping address matched what they had on file.
My suspicion is that they are starting fresh with new serial numbers
(the one used for all prior versions was the same one I got with the
initial purchase), as well as making sure customer records are up to
date.
It's also possible they're having some sort of licensing or technical
issue WRT providing bootable CD or DVD images.
I'll have to wait for the arrival of my USB stick to find out. And I
intend to check out what's on it before actually using it.
--
Gregory Pratt g...@panix.com
South Orange, NJ, USA http://www.panix.com/~gp/
"You're only given one little spark of madness. You mustn't lose it."
PGP Key Fingerprint: DC60 FCDE 91E2 3D41 91A3 45DB B474 3D3A 3621 AAFE
David Empson
Jan 19, 2015, 4:48:34 PM1/19/15
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Greg Pratt <g...@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <1lwgn2p.fsfp8b1s028liN%christi...@ghanart.org>,
> Christian <christi...@ghanart.org> wrote:
> >Neill Massello <nmas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It should be noted that an additional $8.95 shipping fee applies to all
> >> DW5 purchases, including upgrades.
> >
> >It is absolutely not understandable that they do not offer an
> >"electronic delivery" of the product.
>
> Following placement of my order last week, Alsoft contacted me via
> e-mail over the weekend to verify my delivery address. I had moved
> since my original purchase of DiskWarrior some years ago, and neither
> the billing nor the shipping address matched what they had on file.
>
> My suspicion is that they are starting fresh with new serial numbers
> (the one used for all prior versions was the same one I got with the
> initial purchase), as well as making sure customer records are up to
> date.
I can confirm the serial numbers have changed - the new pattern is
> In article <1lwgn2p.fsfp8b1s028liN%christi...@ghanart.org>,
> Christian <christi...@ghanart.org> wrote:
> >Neill Massello <nmas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It should be noted that an additional $8.95 shipping fee applies to all
> >> DW5 purchases, including upgrades.
> >
> >It is absolutely not understandable that they do not offer an
> >"electronic delivery" of the product.
>
> Following placement of my order last week, Alsoft contacted me via
> e-mail over the weekend to verify my delivery address. I had moved
> since my original purchase of DiskWarrior some years ago, and neither
> the billing nor the shipping address matched what they had on file.
>
> My suspicion is that they are starting fresh with new serial numbers
> (the one used for all prior versions was the same one I got with the
> initial purchase), as well as making sure customer records are up to
> date.
XXXX-XXXX-XXXX rather than LLNNNNNN.
> It's also possible they're having some sort of licensing or technical
> issue WRT providing bootable CD or DVD images.
suitable drive on almost all current Macs, and many dating back to 2008.
As I haven't bought a new licence, I'm not sure what form the
download-only version takes, but I expect it doesn't include a bootable
system. Their licence for that system may require distributing it on
physical media.
> I'll have to wait for the arrival of my USB stick to find out. And I
> intend to check out what's on it before actually using it.
has the DiskWarrior application and associated files, the other is a
bootable "DiskWarrior Recovery" partition containing Mac OS X 10.6.7
(10J4136).
The OS X build number implies this was a model-specific or other special
build of 10.6.7, not a general release. It is three builds earlier than
the last DVD which was distributed with the iMac (Mid 2011) and MacBook
Pro Early 2011), and it isn't listed on Apple's support page of Mac OS X
builds that were distributed, so it may be a special build for utility
vendors.
It is new enough to boot all Macs which originally shipped with Snow
Leopard, and is also compatible with all Intel Macs which originally
shipped with Tiger or Leopard.
For newer Macs, you can create your own bootable flash drive (or update
the supplied one) using the DiskWarrior Recovery Maker application. It
works by copying the recovery partition (Lion or later) and making a
minor change to the copy to add DiskWarrior to the recovery menu.
You can also run DiskWarrior from a standard recovery partition, with
the DiskWarrior USB flash drive inserted, by going into Terminal (from
the Utilities menu) and typing
/Volumes/DW/go
--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz
Asger H J
Jan 26, 2015, 5:50:36 AM1/26/15
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>
> not really, since for most people, 64 bit doesn't matter, since they
> didn't hit the limits of the 32 bit version.
>
> i certainly haven't, even with 2 terabyte drives.
> however, that's going to change going forward, as drive sizes continue
> to get larger and larger.
It has nothing to do with drive size. Or file sizes for that matter.
It has to do with directory size.
And those can be enormous on TimeMachine disks
John Varela
Jan 26, 2015, 5:50:44 PM1/26/15
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 10:50:34 UTC, Asger H J <as...@hojland-it.dk>
wrote:
Yes. The old version of Disk Warrior doesn't work on my 4 TB Time
Machine drive.
FYI: My Time Machine displays dates going back to December 2012 but
only dates for the last year or so were viewable. Click on an
earlier date and nothing happened. So I wanted to run Disk Warrior
on it, but it wouldn't run. Just now I went into Time Machine and
now I can view my system contents from December 2012. The disk
miraculously fixed itself, so who needs to spend a C-note on a Disk
Warrior update?
--
John Varela
wrote:
Machine drive.
FYI: My Time Machine displays dates going back to December 2012 but
only dates for the last year or so were viewable. Click on an
earlier date and nothing happened. So I wanted to run Disk Warrior
on it, but it wouldn't run. Just now I went into Time Machine and
now I can view my system contents from December 2012. The disk
miraculously fixed itself, so who needs to spend a C-note on a Disk
Warrior update?
--
John Varela
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