What is an "Atom" reader?
Salgud
with a good rating called "NetNewsWire". It says it's an "Atom"
newsreader. What does this mean? Is that a special kind that does
something different from a regular newsreader, or just a advertising
thing? It's gotten very good reviews a number of places I've looked, but
I don't want to invest as much time as I did with MTNW to end up with a
dead end.
Thanks!
Jolly Roger
Salgud <spamb...@comcast.net> wrote:
I'm pretty sure NetNewsWire is an RSS client - not an NNTP (Usenet) client.
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Salgud
Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article <g1fn2e$kug$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, Salgud
> <spamb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> link to figure out what it is!
>
> In article <g1fn2e$kug$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, Salgud
> <spamb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Well, when I google "atom newsreader" I don't even have to click on a
> link to figure out what it is!
>
Well, you're obviously much smarter than I am Dave. When I googled it,
before I posted, I saw it associated with NewsWire, but didn't see
anything more. Please, o wise one, will you deign to tell me what it is?
Frédérique & Hervé Sainct
> Still looking for a good Mac newsreader. Found one at Version Tracker
> with a good rating called "NetNewsWire". It says it's an "Atom"
> newsreader. What does this mean?
Atom is one of the two RSS formats IIRC. An Atom newsreader is indeed an
*RSS* newsreader, not an usenet one (usenet being what you are reading
right now). Netnewswire, like Vienna, are RSS newsreaders and won't read
usenet.
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Gerry
h.sa...@laposte.net.invalid (Frédérique & Hervé Sainct) wrote:
> Salgud <spamb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Still looking for a good Mac newsreader. Found one at Version Tracker
> > with a good rating called "NetNewsWire". It says it's an "Atom"
> > newsreader. What does this mean?
>
> Atom is one of the two RSS formats IIRC. An Atom newsreader is indeed an
> *RSS* newsreader, not an usenet one (usenet being what you are reading
> right now). Netnewswire, like Vienna, are RSS newsreaders and won't read
> usenet.
And for those not in the know:
RSS is a family of Web feed formats used to publish frequently updated
content such as blog entries, news headlines, and podcasts in a
standardized format.[2] An RSS document (which is called a "feed" or
"web feed"[3] or "channel") contains either a summary of content from an
associated web site or the full text. RSS makes it possible for people
to keep up with web sites in an automated manner that can be piped into
special programs or filtered displays.[3]
Mike Rosenberg
> > Well, when I google "atom newsreader" I don't even have to click on a
> > link to figure out what it is!
> >
> Well, you're obviously much smarter than I am Dave. When I googled it,
> before I posted, I saw it associated with NewsWire, but didn't see
> anything more. Please, o wise one, will you deign to tell me what it is?
Good lord! The very first link listed, "RSSOwl - A Java RSS / RDF / Atom
Newsreader | May the owl be with you," includes the description:
"Uses the SWT Eclipse library to provide a cross-platform desktop
application to read RSS subscriptions. Free software."
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h.sa...@laposte.net.invalid (Frédérique & Hervé Sainct) wrote:
> Salgud <spamb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Still looking for a good Mac newsreader. Found one at Version Tracker
> > with a good rating called "NetNewsWire". It says it's an "Atom"
> > newsreader. What does this mean?
>
> Atom is one of the two RSS formats IIRC. An Atom newsreader is indeed an
> *RSS* newsreader, not an usenet one (usenet being what you are reading
> right now). Netnewswire, like Vienna, are RSS newsreaders and won't read
> usenet.
See, what this newsgroup has too few of is people like you who answer
questions and who do not assume that the person asking the question
already knows the answers - or probably more to the point, is aware
enough to ask the questions right off that will get to his answer
immediately. Hell, anyone who spent a year in science in high school
understands that it is called research because you search and search and
re-search. And going down the wrong road what? hundreds ? or thousands?
of times made Edison a very rich and famous man. Sometimes when you are
a human who just doesn't know, you actually ask what sounds like a
stupid question because you do not know enough about the subject to get
to the meat immediately. It is a damned good thing that Edison didn't
have to put up with some of the shitheads who populate this NG.
There are, unfortunately, far too many posters who seem to use this NG
to demonstrate their sarcastic, snotty crap to those who come to this NG
for help. Some of them have, in fact, replied to the OP in this very
thread. It would be nice if they would just go away and leave this NG
to posters like you (amongst the many others who actually do try to
help those who ask) who just answer the question they are asked without
getting all bitchy and snotty in the process.
And of course if they get a response in the same tone as their snotty
response, then the flame war must begin! Their real objective has been
met! The OP has been distracted from getting his answer; others picking
up the post late never see that the question was asked in sincerity and
avoid getting involved with a flamer, and do not understand that the OP
just got upset and gave as good as he got. So the OP gets generally
shat upon and these despicable damned drones have not only not helped
anyone, they have prevented others from helping, either.
And this is the culmination of thousands of years of evolution and
education! Harahh!
HR.
Tim Streater
Rowbotth <rowb...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
Well said. And there are other NGs where this applies, too.
Frédérique & Hervé Sainct
> There are, unfortunately, far too many posters who seem to use this NG
> to demonstrate their sarcastic (...)
you know, this has always been the case on newsgroups... One of the most
elaborated development in usenet newsreaders has been the numerous ways
of filtering, that now go far beyond blacklists (bayesian filters,
scoring...).
A capability btw that is not yet matched by RSS readers (they just
feature basic filters for now, even though they are a much more large
and vivid community than the usenet readers).
H.
Hylton Boothroyd
> Good lord! The very first link listed, "RSSOwl - A Java RSS / RDF / Atom
> Newsreader | May the owl be with you," includes the description:
>
> "Uses the SWT Eclipse library to provide a cross-platform desktop
> application to read RSS subscriptions. Free software."
Good heavens! There is not even the tiniest clue there about how those
three terms
Java RSS
RDF
Atom
relate to each other, or what addition, restriction, modification, or
alternatives the "RDF" and the "Atom" provide to the "Java RSS"!
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Rowbotth
hylton.b...@null.c0m.invalid (Hylton Boothroyd) wrote:
Ah, but you must understand that the objective of this snotty, useless
response is not to help the OP solve his problem. The objective is to
hinder and intimidate the poster, and hopefully to start a flame ware
thereby not only personally throwing sand in the original poster's eyes,
but to also stop others from assisting the OP under the misapprehension
that the OP is unbalanced and not worthy of help, thereby providing the
useless, destructive drone with some childish, infantile amusement.
Understanding this objective, it should be much easier to understand the
response. For as Doyle wrote in a Sherlock Holmes story, "You have
gotten closest to the truth when you have found that which best explains
what you see happening about you." (Paraphrased.)
H.
Matthew Lybanon
Very well put! There is no reason to be uncivil (if that is a word) on
this or any newsgroup. If the person you are responding to is an idiot,
saying "you're an idiot" is a waste of time. If a post isn't worth
responding to (for whatever reason), don't respond. Otherwise, if you
actually have something constructive to say, then say it.
Just my opinion, but why treat people you don't know any differently
than you would treat them if you met them in a social setting?
salgud
I'll add that I appreciate those who helped me out, or even tried to help
me out. To those who like to put me, and others, down because we don't know
everything that you know, I suspect your lives are vapid. I hope things get
better for you.
Mike Rosenberg
> I'll add that I appreciate those who helped me out, or even tried to help
> me out. To those who like to put me, and others, down because we don't know
> everything that you know, I suspect your lives are vapid. I hope things get
> better for you.
You'll find that most of the time it appears we're putting people down
because "you don't know everything we know", it's actually because of at
least one of the following:
1. The person has given no indication that they've any effort whatsoever
to find the information on their own. Yes, I know, that sounds harsh,
but seem people seem to believe that this is a service they're somehow
entitled to (heck, there are plenty who think this is something Google
provides), and they fail to realize we're all individuals who are
volunteering our time. If someone asks a question that a Google search
could have immediately answered, is it unreasonable to point that out?
When I was in elementary school back in the 1960s (and I'll come right
out and say I know times were different then, but in some ways I feel
they were a lot better), when someone asked the teacher how to spell
something, the teacher would tell us to look it up in the dictionary. My
parents would do the same and, in general, tell us to look things up in
the encyclopedia when that was relevant. They may well have known the
answer to the question, but looking it up ourselves was an important
process to go through.
"Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and
he'll eat for a lifetime." Hell, some people seem to think they're
entitled to have a free gourmet fish dinner custom made for them on
demand.
2. The poster seems to expect others to be mind readers. We can't
possibly automatically know things we're not specifically told. There's
nothing like asking for additional info only to get a snotty response.
There's also nothing like putting in the effort to provide a
step-by-step approach to dealing with a problem only to have the OP come
back and say he's done all that already, and it's even worse when that
person acts insulted and says something along the lines of, "What? You
think I don't already know that?!" Well, I'm sorry, but I can only know
if you've tried something if you've told me.
3. The poster is argumentative. Certainly no one who posts looking for
help is obligated to follow all the advice that's given, but it's
certainly possible to simply not follow advice, without giving the
person grief for suggesting it in the first place. I've also seen people
get upset with factual information when the facts aren't what they had
hoped for. Don't shoot the messenger.
Rowbotth
patience and forgiveness, then maybe you should just absent yourself
from the discussion.
All of your high-sounding motives are not coming across the way it
appears that you would so much like them to do (and your motives are
extremely suspect), so maybe if you want to continue to participate and
have people take you seriously as actually wanting to help, you might
want to moderate your tone a little more to the audience and stop being
so subjective, critical and sarcastic.
Because as it is you have a very unenviable reputation and people don't
listen to you but rather tune you out and just hope to God that some
actual human with something like a heart does not get intimidated by
your style and will actually helps them out.
"Perception is reality" Try that one on for size. You are not
perceived to be helpful, approachable nor tolerant. If you are content
and happy with that state of affairs then you are welcome to continue on
as you have done so often in the past. With the accompanying perception
that a lot of people who come here for a little help and mentoring and
coaching would prefer that you would take up basket weaving or
synchronized swimming or Las Vegas stand-up comedy and just go away and
not come back.
And how do you know that the original poster has made no effort to find
out? What qualifies you to state that this cannot be their first step?
What business is it of yours, even if they have not? You are, not more
nor less than anyone else just another poster, and if your approach is
so objectionable then it behooves you to either evolve or the
alternative. If you want to expend the time, effort and energy to take
over as full time moderator, then you can impose your values upon us.
If you are not willing to do this work, then you can either participate
as an equal amongst equals or you can find something else to amuse
ytourself. Also, it seems that you are fairly sensitive to the
criticism you have received. Hence the long and smug, insulting attempt
at self-justification.
If you are so overwhelmingly disgusted by our failure to meet your
standards, then who is forcing you to maintain your subscription? Fare
thee well and get thee gone. People have a right to learn at their own
pace - and I have seen most posters learn and grow and progress
immensely with a little patience and coaching and gentle nudging in a
specific direction. I see none of that from you, and I decided to voice
an objection to your style and treatment of those you do not deem to be
your "equals". I stand by my comments as originally made.
I would personally take it as a compliment if you would just kill-filter
my name, if that is what it takes so that I am no longer subjected to
your "Teaching me to Fish" philosophy. You can do or say anything you
want as long as it does not stop others from trying to help when I have
a question or a problem.
Or what?
H.
In article <1ihykvm.mxjvs0i64jgeN%mike...@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>,
Mike Rosenberg
> You are not perceived to be helpful, approachable nor tolerant.
Certainly not by you. Were you elected to speak for everyone else?
> I would personally take it as a compliment if you would just kill-filter
> my name, if that is what it takes so that I am no longer subjected to
> your "Teaching me to Fish" philosophy. You can do or say anything you
> want as long as it does not stop others from trying to help when I have
> a question or a problem.
Here's every post of mine to threads in which you have also
participated:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/6a9gz9
Please by so kind as to point out exactly what you object to.
As for the way you've treated a lot of the people who've tried to help
you, well, reread my previous post. You can dish it out quite nicely but
you surely cannot take it.
Mike Rosenberg
> I would personally take it as a compliment if you would just kill-filter
> my name, if that is what it takes so that I am no longer subjected to
> your "Teaching me to Fish" philosophy.
If you don't want to read my posts, _you_ should be the one doing the
killfiling. I'll continue providing solutions to the problems you post
about so that others with similar problems can benefit from them if they
choose to.
Jim Carlson
mike...@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:
> Here's every post of mine to threads in which you have also
> participated:
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/6a9gz9
>
> Please by so kind as to point out exactly what you object to.
>
> As for the way you've treated a lot of the people who've tried to help
> you, well, reread my previous post. You can dish it out quite nicely but
> you surely cannot take it.
Wow, dude sure doesn't play well with others, does he?
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J.J. O'Shea
(in article <rowbotth-F6D3AB...@news.newsgroupdirect.com>):
> I would personally take it as a compliment if you would just kill-filter
> my name, if that is what it takes so that I am no longer subjected to
> your "Teaching me to Fish" philosophy. You can do or say anything you
> want as long as it does not stop others from trying to help when I have
> a question or a problem.
you're an idiot. If you don't want to read his stuff, then _you_ killfile
_him_. Telling him to killfile you is... unlikely to achieve the result
desired, unless that result is to get everyone to laugh at you. That, you
managed.
And exactly how can Mike stop someone from helping you? And why should he do
so, when you do such an excellent job? Having seen your reaction to Mike's
posts, I can say that _I_ am unlikely to assist you in the future lest you do
unto me as you've done onto him.
And, btw, your posts are now flagged to ensure that I can see and avoid them,
while still being available in the (very remote) event that I might want to
actually read one.
Enjoy the rest of your life, now.
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Rowbotth
And yet they keep coming. More and more and faster and faster.
?