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AES

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Nov 26, 2006, 12:32:37 PM11/26/06
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Can anyone say what's the minimal software needed to download photos
from a Canon PowerShot A710 to a Mac iBook running OS 10.3.9 via the USB
cable?

I really don't want to keep all, or in fact any, of the extensive suite
of Canon software that comes with the camera on my Mac. I just want to
download the images, in JPEG, not necessarily even RAW, format; and then
deal with them with my own software.

Thanks . . .

Mike Rosenberg

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Nov 26, 2006, 12:48:24 PM11/26/06
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AES <sie...@stanford.edu> wrote:

In all likelihood, you already have all you need on the iBook, in the
form of Image Capture and iPhoto. Just connect the camera, turn it on
(and, with some cameras, this isn't even necessary), and iPhoto will
launch automatically and ask if you want to import photos.

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AES wrote:
> Can anyone say what's the minimal software needed to download photos
> from a Canon PowerShot A710 to a Mac iBook running OS 10.3.9 via the USB
> cable?
>

Easy, buy a card reader and use none of the Canon, or Apple, software.

If the A710 does RAW then you can use one of the 3rd party RAW converters.

Greg

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Mike Rosenberg

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Nov 26, 2006, 12:55:57 PM11/26/06
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G.T. <getn...@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> Easy, buy a card reader and use none of the Canon, or Apple, software.

Even without a card reader, you can configure the Mac not to open iPhoto
or any app when a camera is connected, and it'll just mount the card as
an external volume.

G.T.

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Nov 26, 2006, 1:32:40 PM11/26/06
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Mike Rosenberg wrote:
> G.T. <getn...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
>> Easy, buy a card reader and use none of the Canon, or Apple, software.
>
> Even without a card reader, you can configure the Mac not to open iPhoto
> or any app when a camera is connected, and it'll just mount the card as
> an external volume.
>

Most Canons don't do USB mass storage.

Mike Rosenberg

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Nov 26, 2006, 1:53:27 PM11/26/06
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G.T. <getn...@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> Most Canons don't do USB mass storage.

Ah, now I understand. And, of course, many of us prefer to use card
readers anyway, for the convenience. Hmmm, we should find out if, by
chance, the OP is using a printer or all-in-one unit that includes a
card reader.

William Mitchell

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Nov 26, 2006, 1:57:45 PM11/26/06
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mike...@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) writes:

> G.T. <getn...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
> > Easy, buy a card reader and use none of the Canon, or Apple, software.
>
> Even without a card reader, you can configure the Mac not to open iPhoto
> or any app when a camera is connected, and it'll just mount the card as
> an external volume.

Actually, Canon cameras don't support this (at least mine doesn't).
However "Image Capture" will simply download the pictures.

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emelvy

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Nov 26, 2006, 2:17:09 PM11/26/06
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I have a Canon Powershot S80 and have installed on my iMac G5 all of
Canon's software (from a CD labeled "Canon Digital Camera Solution Disk
Ver. 26.0"). The Canon suite on my hard drive is contained in a folder
called Canon Utilities, of size 179.8 MB. The suite consists of
folders called CameraWindow (126.2 MB), ImageBrowser (44.7 MB), and
PhotoStitch (8.9 MB). In addition, the installation placed on my hard
disk ArcSoft's PhotoStudio in another folder, of size 19.5 MB. My hard
drive is a 250 GB unit, so the total disk space occupied by all of
these programs (just under 0.20 GB) is hardly significant.

CameraWindow is for transferring photo files. I have never used
PhotoStitch, but since it takes only 8.9 MB, there is very little disk
space to be gained by deleting it.

I don't know if CameraWindow requires the presence of ImageBrowser, but
in any case I recommend that you keep ImageBrowser. I have found it to
be extremely useful. It will show your photos (in small and enlarged
views, singly or side-by-side in groups of two, three, or four) and
will provide for printing or emailing them. ImageBrowser also shows
the intensity histogram and all technical data about the camera
settings for each photo, as well as the folders into which your photo
files have been placed. By default these folders are named by the date
the photos were taken, but you are free in ImageBrowser to rename the
folders and the photos any way you please, and to reorganize your
photos however you want to. In contrast, I have been thoroughly
baffled by iPhoto the few times I have tried to use it and found it
unwilling to rearrange photo files the way I wanted to have them
organized.

ArcSoft's PhotoStudio is an image-editing program. It is loaded by
ImageBrowser if you ask to Edit a photo file. If you have Photoshop or
Photoshop Elements, you may not need PhotoStudio, but I don't have them
and so have tried PhotoStudio for a few editing jobs. It has given me
excellent red-eye removal, more subtle and pleasing than some other
programs with one-key red-eye removal commands. Again, if you delete
PhotoStudio, you have saved less than 20 MB, which seems a bit foolish
in case you might some day want to try it for editing jobs not well
done by other programs.

emelvy

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Nov 26, 2006, 2:29:07 PM11/26/06
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G.T. wrote:

> Mike Rosenberg wrote:
> >
> >> Easy, buy a card reader and use none of the Canon, or Apple, software.
> >
> > Even without a card reader, you can configure the Mac not to open iPhoto
> > or any app when a camera is connected, and it'll just mount the card as
> > an external volume.
> >
>
> Most Canons don't do USB mass storage.
>
> Greg
>

Canon's CameraWindow (at least the version I have, 6.0.0.6) supports
transfers from USB card readers.

Mike Rosenberg

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Nov 26, 2006, 2:35:02 PM11/26/06
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emelvy <halb...@esper.com> wrote:

> Canon's CameraWindow (at least the version I have, 6.0.0.6) supports
> transfers from USB card readers.

Yes, but this is the opposite of what we're discussing here. The OP
wants to use his Canon camera with his iBook while installing the
absolute minimum Canon software, and we've already established that the
required minimum is nothing at all since Mac OS X already supports USB
card readers.

Mike Rosenberg

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Nov 26, 2006, 2:35:02 PM11/26/06
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emelvy <halb...@esper.com> wrote:

> I have a Canon Powershot S80 and have installed on my iMac G5 all of
> Canon's software (from a CD labeled "Canon Digital Camera Solution Disk

> Ver. 26.0")...

None of this answers the OP's question, though.

G.T.

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Nov 26, 2006, 5:41:59 PM11/26/06
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That's great but no help whatsoever to the original poster.

Erik Richard Sørensen

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Nov 26, 2006, 6:29:58 PM11/26/06
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Hei AES

AES wrote:
> Can anyone say what's the minimal software needed to download photos
> from a Canon PowerShot A710 to a Mac iBook running OS 10.3.9 via the USB
> cable?

There is no 'minimum' - just plug the camera to the USB, and it'll
occour on the desktop. Doubleclick on the camera icon and find the
folder containing the pictures and simply drag them to a place/folder
after your choice. - Or you can simply drag the whole folder with pics
to the folder 'Pictures' in the sidebar in Finder.


>
> I really don't want to keep all, or in fact any, of the extensive suite
> of Canon software that comes with the camera on my Mac. I just want to
> download the images, in JPEG, not necessarily even RAW, format; and then
> deal with them with my own software.

I don't use Canon myself, but I've seen the software, and I donot like
it either... So just follow instructions above for transfering the pics
to your computer.

After this, just open the picture folder on the camera and drag the
content to the trash and empty it. - Now they are also removed from the
camera... Simply and easy...

And then of course you also can use iPhoto - a part of OS X, but I find
this even worse than the Canon software. I'm having an Olympus myself,
but I haven't even installed the CamediaMaster software, though it's
rather good for organizing etc., but it's so complex in use, and it
doesn't always put the pictures, where you want to put them. So for this
use, I use GraphicsConverter - picture library mode / slideshow mode,
and then edit in Photoshop if necessary.

Cheers, ERik Richard

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Mike Rosenberg

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Nov 26, 2006, 6:58:13 PM11/26/06
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Erik Richard Sørensen <NOS...@NOSPAM.dk> wrote:

> There is no 'minimum' - just plug the camera to the USB, and it'll
> occour on the desktop.

Except that it's already been established in this thread that Canon
cameras don't work that way.

Erik Richard Sørensen

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Nov 26, 2006, 7:14:10 PM11/26/06
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Hei Mike

Strange - I know a lot of people here, who are using Canon cameras -
especially the EOSD and IXUS models. (Some IXUS models in Wurope are
identical to some A-models in the US). _ALL_ of these just pop up as HDs
when connected...
Cheers, Erik Richard

Mike Rosenberg wrote:
> Erik Richard Sørensen <NOS...@NOSPAM.dk> wrote:
>> There is no 'minimum' - just plug the camera to the USB, and it'll
>> occour on the desktop.
>
> Except that it's already been established in this thread that Canon
> cameras don't work that way.

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Mike Rosenberg

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Nov 26, 2006, 7:29:03 PM11/26/06
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Erik Richard Sørensen <NOS...@NOSPAM.dk> wrote:

> Strange - I know a lot of people here, who are using Canon cameras -
> especially the EOSD and IXUS models. (Some IXUS models in Wurope are
> identical to some A-models in the US). _ALL_ of these just pop up as HDs
> when connected...

All I know is that two Canon users have already posted here saying this
does not work.

Shawn Hirn

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Nov 26, 2006, 10:35:51 PM11/26/06
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In article <1hpfcov.1jcyvl1ufphy1N%mike...@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>,
mike...@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:

> Erik Richard Sørensen <NOS...@NOSPAM.dk> wrote:
>
> > Strange - I know a lot of people here, who are using Canon cameras -
> > especially the EOSD and IXUS models. (Some IXUS models in Wurope are
> > identical to some A-models in the US). _ALL_ of these just pop up as HDs
> > when connected...
>
> All I know is that two Canon users have already posted here saying this
> does not work.

I have a Canon Digital Rebel. I just take out the memory card and plug
it into a card reader. It works fine.

C0mdrData

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Hei Mike

Strange - I know a lot of people here, who are using Canon cameras -
especially the EOSD and IXUS models. (Some IXUS models in Wurope are
identical to some A-models in the US). _ALL_ of these just pop up as HDs
when connected...
Cheers, Erik Richard

I believe this is true IF you install the Canon software, since doing so
will also install a driver. The best way to avoid installing the software
is to use a card reader. Card readers are a good investment anyway, since
using a camera to transfer pictures requires that the camera can power up.
If the camera were to run out of juice in the middle of transferring
pictures it is possible (not likely, but possible) to lose all of your
pictures.

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G.T.

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Nov 27, 2006, 1:54:33 AM11/27/06
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Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:
> Hei Mike
>
> Strange - I know a lot of people here, who are using Canon cameras -
> especially the EOSD and IXUS models. (Some IXUS models in Wurope are
> identical to some A-models in the US). _ALL_ of these just pop up as HDs
> when connected...

Digital Rebels and Powershots don't do USB mass storage, I didn't think
the other models did either. It's one of the lame things about Canons.

I generally trust your posts but this is the second time you've spouted
major, easy to check bullshit.

ric

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Nov 27, 2006, 6:06:14 AM11/27/06
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> Digital Rebels and Powershots don't do USB mass storage, I didn't think
> the other models did either. It's one of the lame things about Canons.
>
> I generally trust your posts but this is the second time you've spouted
> major, easy to check bullshit.
>
> Greg
> --

some do. last week i had an eos 350D and 400D on my desk trying to get
them working. i think the 350D's sold as the digital rebel in the US.
the 350d can be persuaded to appear as a usb bulk storage device by
selecting USB/PC-mode on the camera, rather than the PTP or whatever
the other mode is. the 400 can't - the feature's been removed for some
reason.
drove me batshit as it just doesn't plain work on our win2k sp4 work
clients here in ptp mode - had to use the 350D as an expensive card
reader in the end...!

i'm sure there's a reason for this but i can't see any justification
for removing the ability to appear as a usb bulk storage device on a
camera...for when you don't want to install canon's cruft, or want to
use it on a new PC...

ric

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Nov 27, 2006, 1:24:58 PM11/27/06
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In article <1164625573.9...@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>,
ric <publi...@infobubble.co.uk> wrote:

>i'm sure there's a reason for this but i can't see any justification
>for removing the ability to appear as a usb bulk storage device on a
>camera...for when you don't want to install canon's cruft, or want to
>use it on a new PC...

I suspect the reason is that Canon wants you to install their silly
software for marketing and control reason.


Phil Wheeler

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Nov 27, 2006, 1:41:46 PM11/27/06
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Mike Rosenberg wrote:
> Erik Richard Sørensen <NOS...@NOSPAM.dk> wrote:
>
>> Strange - I know a lot of people here, who are using Canon cameras -
>> especially the EOSD and IXUS models. (Some IXUS models in Wurope are
>> identical to some A-models in the US). _ALL_ of these just pop up as HDs
>> when connected...
>
> All I know is that two Canon users have already posted here saying this
> does not work.
>


Buy a card reader. Works fine and no drivers
needed for my Sandisk reader.

Phil

Cosmik Debris

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Nov 27, 2006, 2:46:35 PM11/27/06
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:54:33 +1300, G.T. <getn...@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:
>> Hei Mike
>> Strange - I know a lot of people here, who are using Canon cameras -
>> especially the EOSD and IXUS models. (Some IXUS models in Wurope are
>> identical to some A-models in the US). _ALL_ of these just pop up as
>> HDs when connected...
>
> Digital Rebels and Powershots don't do USB mass storage, I didn't think
> the other models did either. It's one of the lame things about Canons.

I don't know what a Rebel is but the Powershot that we buy in this part of
the world certainly just plug into the USB bus. The Mac recognises them
with no other software required to load into iPhoto.

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Dave Balderstone

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In article <op.tjow7...@zen-local.local>, Cosmik Debris
<cosmik...@elec.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:

We shoot EOS 10Ds and 20Ds here. They plug in via USB, and iPhoto
grabs the images.

Erik Richard Sørensen

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ric wrote:


> Greg wrote:
>> Digital Rebels and Powershots don't do USB mass storage, I didn't think
>> the other models did either. It's one of the lame things about Canons.
>>
>> I generally trust your posts but this is the second time you've spouted
>> major, easy to check bullshit.
>

> some do. last week i had an eos 350D and 400D on my desk trying to get
> them working. i think the 350D's sold as the digital rebel in the US.
> the 350d can be persuaded to appear as a usb bulk storage device by
> selecting USB/PC-mode on the camera, rather than the PTP or whatever
> the other mode is. the 400 can't - the feature's been removed for some
> reason.
> drove me batshit as it just doesn't plain work on our win2k sp4 work
> clients here in ptp mode - had to use the 350D as an expensive card
> reader in the end...!

On my own Olympus I always select 'PC Mode', så I'm sure that the camera
comes up as an external unit. and that's also what I recommend others to
select.

Infact I by this method can make mine occour in OS 9.2.2 as well with
the extension 'Apple Mass Storage Extension' + an extension/library file
from the USB DDK 1.5.5 kit called 'Missing USB Devices'. Selecting 'PC
Mode', the camera just pops up nicely...

By trying and testing more types of digicams I also have found that a
brand here in Europe called 'Medion' works nicely on both OS 9.x and OS
X, if you select 'PC mode', then they pop up as they should, though
Medion themselves write that their cameras donot work with Apple systems
- any version...

Some cameras though are more tricky in OS 9.x. Here you sometimes have
to open the extension/library 'Missing USB Devices' with a resurce
editor and add the name and model code - not model number. You then
sometimes can be lucky that the new 'Missing USB Devices' even will
recognize more models from the same brand. - Fx. do all Medion series
5500, 5600, 5700 and 7110 models now work within OS 9.0.4 to 9.2.2.

> i'm sure there's a reason for this but i can't see any justification
> for removing the ability to appear as a usb bulk storage device on a
> camera...for when you don't want to install canon's cruft, or want to
> use it on a new PC...

To me it seems as if Canon 'thinks' - believe that their software is the
best of all to use. - As I earlier wrote I don't like iPhoto, but I find
this piece of software better than the Canon stuff...

I have tried to use 'Inkscape' in connection with GraphicConverter on OS
X. This is the best combination of software that I've tried until now.
Inkscape though is a bit slow, but the newest version is better than the
previous. Inkscape requires X11, - Gosh! I wish it was native X...

cheers, Erik Richard

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In article <1hpfbaf.wc3npy1tkhzbN%mike...@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>,
mike...@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:

> Erik Richard Sørensen <NOS...@NOSPAM.dk> wrote:
>
> > There is no 'minimum' - just plug the camera to the USB, and it'll
> > occour on the desktop.
>
> Except that it's already been established in this thread that Canon
> cameras don't work that way.

? I have a Canon Powershot A80. I put the card in a card reader and
do whatever I want with it -- Preview to look or PS Elements or iPhoto.
Dunna about doing anything with the card IN the camera.
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Nov 27, 2006, 6:15:46 PM11/27/06
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OK people, we have messages talking about several different concepts
here, and confusing them, and that's part of the reason there's no
agreement. Some of you are talking about transfers where the Finder is
involved, and some of you are talking about transfers that bypass the
Finder.
I own a Canon digital point-and-shoot and a Canon digital SLR.

Here is how it works if you install NO Canon software:

A. Loading into iPhoto
iPhoto recognizes Canons with no additional software because iPhoto has
support for Canons built into it. This is in iPhoto, not in the Finder.
iPhoto negotiates the USB transfer with the camera directly, bypassing
the Finder.

B. Loading into the Finder
Canons generally do not support USB Mass Storage. (Many other camera
brands such as Nikon provide an option.) If you plug in a Canon camera
without any other software, it will not show up on the desktop as a
drive. Without USB Mass Storage support, the camera does not know how
to make itself show up as a drive, and so the Mac cannot directly
negotiate the USB transfer with the camera. (An earlier post says that
the Canon 350/Rebel XT does have a USB Mass Storage setting. I will
have to try that on mine.)

C. Loading into a card reader
Canons work great with card readers because the camera is not involved.
If you put a card from a Canon into a card reader, the Mac doesn't know
it was a Canon. All it sees is a mounted volume with the JPEG or RAW
format files on the card. OS X has built-in support for both JPEG and
Canon RAW, so you see them as files in the Finder.

D. Loading into Image Capture
With the OS X Image Capture utility you can easily preview and select
which photos to download, which is useful when you are keeping 287
photos on the card as a temporary backup and you only want the last 5
photos you shot this afternoon. (Last time I checked, iPhoto still is
dumb enough to allow only an all-or-nothing download, which annoys my
friends who use iPhoto. Let me know if this has changed.) Like iPhoto,
Image Capture bypasses the Finder. If you want Image Capture to open
instead of iPhoto when you plug in a camera or card, do it from Image
Capture preferences.

So please, before any of you puts forth an opinion about what does or
does not happen with a camera, you must state which of the above
transfer types you are talking about, because it changes the equation
significantly.

If you don't want to worry about software at all, use a card reader.
Direct camera connections consume camera battery power, tie up the
camera, and risk corrupting photos through USB transmission glitches
(according to some photographers). Card readers preserve camera battery
power, free up the camera, are not driver-dependent, and are seen by
the OS as a simple file transfer.

I don't see the lack of USB Mass Storage as much of a disadvantage for
Canon because a card reader is better than a direct transfer anyway,
and a card reader is already seen as a drive.

AES

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In article <1164669346.8...@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>,
"Paul" <u53...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> OK people, we have messages talking about several different concepts
> here, and confusing them, and that's part of the reason there's no

> agreement . . . .
>
> Here is how it works . . .


THANK YOU!!!

--The OP

Grumpy AuContraire

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Nov 28, 2006, 12:35:02 AM11/28/06
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Thanks for the concise narrative. I've been following the thread and
even though I do not own a Canon, I use memory cards exclusively for
exactly the reason(s) you describe.

JT

Peter J E Brunning

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I was interested in this topic as my daughter has been asking a similar
question about a Canon Digital Ixus 300 (about 5 years old) and her Windows
XP laptop. Apparently it does not work as a standard USB drive, though my
son says he used it that way (maybe he had some extra software?) We need to
investigate when she returns from a trip away.

Anyway, I just tried my new Ixy Digital 60 (Japanese model; same as Digital
Ixus 65 and PowerShot SD630 Digital Elph) without any special Canon software
on my Windows XP PC - and it works. One can just 'open' it from the Explorer
or use the camera and scanner wizard. (The Canon CD has not been opened
though I admit I have some Panasonic software from my other camera.)

I think this proves that at least some Canon cameras support USB mass
storage, but it's possible that not all do. So before Greg makes such a
sweeping criticism, it might be more helpful and polite to be sure of his
facts.

Peter

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Erik Richard Sørensen

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Hei Peter

Peter J E Brunning wrote:
> I was interested in this topic as my daughter has been asking a similar
> question about a Canon Digital Ixus 300 (about 5 years old) and her Windows
> XP laptop. Apparently it does not work as a standard USB drive, though my
> son says he used it that way (maybe he had some extra software?) We need to
> investigate when she returns from a trip away.
>
> Anyway, I just tried my new Ixy Digital 60 (Japanese model; same as Digital
> Ixus 65 and PowerShot SD630 Digital Elph) without any special Canon software
> on my Windows XP PC - and it works. One can just 'open' it from the Explorer
> or use the camera and scanner wizard. (The Canon CD has not been opened
> though I admit I have some Panasonic software from my other camera.)

The IXUS 300 should work on both Macs and PCs without installing any of
the Canon software. - But you need to select 'PC mode' on the camera
display.

Connect the camera to the USB port and turn it on. Then there should
occour 2-3 possible choices - 'Camera' and 'PC mode' are the most
common, but on some cameras there also is a possibility of connecting
directly to a TV with capability of showing pictures.

> I think this proves that at least some Canon cameras support USB mass
> storage, but it's possible that not all do. So before Greg makes such a
> sweeping criticism, it might be more helpful and polite to be sure of his
> facts.

As I've now written more times, I haven't yet seen a Canon - or Nikon,
Panasonic, Kyocera or Olympus made camera - that can't be used on any
system from Mac OS 8.6-9.2.2, OS X 10.0.x to 10.4.x as well as Windows
98SE to XP without installing any extra software. - They do work 'out of
the box'!

Cheers, Erik Richard

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>> Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:
>>> Strange - I know a lot of people here, who are using Canon cameras -
>>> especially the EOSD and IXUS models. (Some IXUS models in Wurope are
>>> identical to some A-models in the US). _ALL_ of these just pop up as HDs
>>> when connected...
>> Digital Rebels and Powershots don't do USB mass storage, I didn't think
>> the other models did either. It's one of the lame things about Canons.
>>
>> I generally trust your posts but this is the second time you've spouted
>> major, easy to check bullshit.

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G.T.

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Nov 29, 2006, 1:33:15 PM11/29/06
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Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:
> Hei Peter
>
> Peter J E Brunning wrote:
>> I was interested in this topic as my daughter has been asking a
>> similar question about a Canon Digital Ixus 300 (about 5 years old)
>> and her Windows XP laptop. Apparently it does not work as a standard
>> USB drive, though my son says he used it that way (maybe he had some
>> extra software?) We need to investigate when she returns from a trip
>> away.
>>
>> Anyway, I just tried my new Ixy Digital 60 (Japanese model; same as
>> Digital Ixus 65 and PowerShot SD630 Digital Elph) without any special
>> Canon software on my Windows XP PC - and it works. One can just 'open'
>> it from the Explorer or use the camera and scanner wizard. (The Canon
>> CD has not been opened though I admit I have some Panasonic software
>> from my other camera.)

Probably via TWAIN/WIA.

>
> The IXUS 300 should work on both Macs and PCs without installing any of
> the Canon software. - But you need to select 'PC mode' on the camera
> display.
>
> Connect the camera to the USB port and turn it on. Then there should
> occour 2-3 possible choices - 'Camera' and 'PC mode' are the most
> common, but on some cameras there also is a possibility of connecting
> directly to a TV with capability of showing pictures.
>
>> I think this proves that at least some Canon cameras support USB mass
>> storage, but it's possible that not all do. So before Greg makes such
>> a sweeping criticism, it might be more helpful and polite to be sure
>> of his facts.
>

You're right, my info is a little dated.

> As I've now written more times, I haven't yet seen a Canon - or Nikon,
> Panasonic, Kyocera or Olympus made camera - that can't be used on any
> system from Mac OS 8.6-9.2.2, OS X 10.0.x to 10.4.x as well as Windows
> 98SE to XP without installing any extra software. - They do work 'out of
> the box'!

My Digital Rebel and my A70 do either Normal=TWAIN or PTP, they do not
do USB mass storage.

That's probably why Canon says (regarding the Rebel XT):

"To connect your compatible Canon digital camera with a Windows XP
pre-installed computer via USB cable, you need to install the
appropriate USB WIA driver on your computer."

Greg

>
> Cheers, Erik Richard
>
>> "G.T." <getn...@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
>> news:12ml2t9...@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:
>>>> Strange - I know a lot of people here, who are using Canon cameras -
>>>> especially the EOSD and IXUS models. (Some IXUS models in Wurope are
>>>> identical to some A-models in the US). _ALL_ of these just pop up as
>>>> HDs when connected...
>>> Digital Rebels and Powershots don't do USB mass storage, I didn't
>>> think the other models did either. It's one of the lame things about
>>> Canons.
>>>
>>> I generally trust your posts but this is the second time you've
>>> spouted major, easy to check bullshit.
>


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Nov 29, 2006, 1:36:10 PM11/29/06
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On 2006-11-29 10:33:15 -0800, "G.T." <getn...@dslextreme.com> said:

>>> Anyway, I just tried my new Ixy Digital 60 (Japanese model; same as
>>> Digital Ixus 65 and PowerShot SD630 Digital Elph) without any special
>>> Canon software on my Windows XP PC - and it works. One can just 'open'
>>> it from the Explorer or use the camera and scanner wizard. (The Canon
>>> CD has not been opened though I admit I have some Panasonic software
>>> from my other camera.)
>
> Probably via TWAIN/WIA.

I thought that TWAIN was irrelevant under Mac os x.

Is this specifically a Windows discussion?
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Thank you and have a nice day.

Erik Richard Sørensen

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Nov 29, 2006, 2:43:50 PM11/29/06
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Hei Greg

G.T. wrote:
> Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:

>> As I've now written more times, I haven't yet seen a Canon - or Nikon,
>> Panasonic, Kyocera or Olympus made camera - that can't be used on any
>> system from Mac OS 8.6-9.2.2, OS X 10.0.x to 10.4.x as well as Windows
>> 98SE to XP without installing any extra software. - They do work 'out
>> of the box'!
>
> My Digital Rebel and my A70 do either Normal=TWAIN or PTP, they do not
> do USB mass storage.

Are you sure that you have the latest internal Canon firmware/software
in the camera?

If I set my Olympus or Medion to PTP, it also results in no connection
to any computer - Mac or Windows. The camera _MUST_ be set to "PC Mode"
picture transfer.

> That's probably why Canon says (regarding the Rebel XT):
>
> "To connect your compatible Canon digital camera with a Windows XP
> pre-installed computer via USB cable, you need to install the
> appropriate USB WIA driver on your computer."

Hm, it might be this "...a Windows XP pre-installed..." that is the
-------------
culprit. All of the Windows users that I know, who are using Canon
digicams are all using full retail installs of WinXP.

cheers, Erik Richard

G.T.

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Nov 29, 2006, 3:05:28 PM11/29/06
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"gtr" <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote in message news:200611291036108930-xxx@yyyzzz...

No, but that's just because I don't know how scanners are handled on OS X,
but OS X still treats cameras that don't do USB Mass Storage as either
scanners or PTP.

Greg


Paul

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Nov 29, 2006, 5:59:31 PM11/29/06
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G.T. wrote:
> > > Probably via TWAIN/WIA.
> >
> > I thought that TWAIN was irrelevant under Mac os x.
> >
> > Is this specifically a Windows discussion?
>
> No, but that's just because I don't know how scanners are handled on OS X,
> but OS X still treats cameras that don't do USB Mass Storage as either
> scanners or PTP.
>
> Greg

As far as TWAIN and OS X, Image Capture uses it. From the OS X Image
Capture help file:

"Image Capture works with scanners that have driver software for Mac OS
X. It also works with some TWAIN-compatible scanners.

To find out if your scanner is compatible with Mac OS X, check with the
scanner's manufacturer, or go to the peripheral compatibility webpage
at www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/devices.html.

If Image Capture doesn't recognize your scanner, be sure to install the
software that came with the scanner.
If that doesn't work, chooses Devices > Browse Devices. Under TWAIN
devices, select your scanner, and select "Use TWAIN Interface." Then
Click Connect. To learn how to perform scans with the dialog that
appears, see the documentation that came with your scanner."

Joe Fisher

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I have a Canon S2 IS. I plug it in, it pops up as a removable disk.
Joe
"Mike Rosenberg" <mike...@TOGROUPmacconsult.com> wrote in message
news:1hpfbaf.wc3npy1tkhzbN%> Except that it's already been established in

Joe Fisher

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"C0mdrData" <C0md...@BEAMMEUP.hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:oztah.18978$tb6....@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...

>
> "Erik Richard Sørensen" <NOS...@NOSPAM.dk> wrote in message
> news:456a2dd1$0$4151$ba62...@nntp02.dk.telia.net...
> Hei Mike
>
> Strange - I know a lot of people here, who are using Canon cameras -
> especially the EOSD and IXUS models. (Some IXUS models in Wurope are
> identical to some A-models in the US). _ALL_ of these just pop up as HDs
> when connected...
> Cheers, Erik Richard
>
> I believe this is true IF you install the Canon software, since doing so
> will also install a driver.

I have a Canon S2 IS, I have never installed any of the Canon software.
Joe


dorayme

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In article <8aqdnZYZDMLsoRHY...@centurytel.net>,
"Joe Fisher" <storm...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I have a Sony Cybershot and unlike for the PCs, it just comes up
as a disk. No need to install the software that comes on a cd
with it.

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frank

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Dec 22, 2006, 10:17:02 PM12/22/06
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Hate to sound like a weenie here but I installed all the Canon software -
great stuff. Downloader, organizer, editor, panoramic stitcher.

OTOH,before I installed anything on my MacBook Pro, I plugged in the XTi, and
as I've come to expect with Macintosh, nothing appeared to happen - same
as plugging into the DSL at a friend's, plugging in an external USB modem,
plugging in my son's iPod (though that did appear on the desktop), sitting
in a meeting at school connected to the fiber network but in no way
authenticated to Novell when the administrator to my left asked me to
print what I had on the screen - Bon-freaking-jour - picked the nearest
room out of printers displayed from six buildings and it simply went off.

No ding-dong, no pop-ups, no Wizards, no confirmation dialogs, no warning
dialogs, no dialogs that ask if I want to do what I just asked to to. Oh,
yes the Canon simply appeared when I opened iPhoto. Just like everything
else on this Mac - first surprise was having it connected to the home
network when I took it fresh out of the box and set it up and at the end
of the process it announced it was going to register me with Apple. My
instinctive reaction was - oh, that's not going to work until I set up
Internet access, but of course - it simply did.

I'm about to install, just for a brief moment and it's a test, only a test
- Windows XP in yet another Parallels window. That, for just as long as
it takes to test it and delete it, will join Debian Linux running in
another Parallels window, and Ubuntu in another. A-freaking-mazing.

I've used Linux exclusively at home since 1998 and it rocks - truly kicks
the monkey's ass for speed and productivity, and I've spent nearly as much
time in X11 on this new Mac (just over a month old) so these lightning
quick and drop-dead-simple Linux installs are largely superfluous so after
I mess with these two distros I've never tried before I'll probably drop
them and maybe play with something else - but it's all there in Darwin.

It's all there!

Frank

dorayme

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In article <pan.2006.12.23....@localnet.com>,
frank <fpir...@localnet.com> wrote:

I love this kind of talk...

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