iWeb - any use for it anymore?

[Lyndon]

Can iWeb be used with any other domain hosting sites, or was it so
specific to apple that it is now useless? I notice that when you menu
select to "setup domain" that it tries to launch icloud.

Thanks
Lyndon

[nospam]

In article <lyndon-458FD4....@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>,

you can export the web site, then upload it anywhere. i think it even
supports direct ftp (it's been years since i used it).

[gtr]

On 2013-11-27 02:00:45 +0000, Lyndon said:

> Can iWeb be used with any other domain hosting sites,...

I sure can. I use it with a domain I set up with 1and1, which was
recommended here.

> ...or was it so specific to apple that it is now useless? I notice that

> when you menu
> select to "setup domain" that it tries to launch icloud.

I'm still using it and will continue to do so until it's peeled out my
cold dead hand--or, when it don't work no more.

[Beli]

In article <lyndon-458FD4....@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>,
Lyndon <lyn...@someisp.com> wrote:

I still have several sites made with iWeb at my host's servers. As far
as I know it still works.

[gtr]

On 2013-11-27 07:59:07 +0000, Beli said:

> In article <lyndon-458FD4....@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>,
> Lyndon <lyn...@someisp.com> wrote:
>
>> Can iWeb be used with any other domain hosting sites, or was it so
>> specific to apple that it is now useless? I notice that when you menu
>> select to "setup domain" that it tries to launch icloud.
>

> I still have several sites made with iWeb at my host's servers. As far
> as I know it still works.

I use iWeb to maintain a website for a local community group, and make
changes every month. In total I modify/maintain a total of about 5
websites using iWeb.

[Lyndon]

In article <lyndon-458FD4....@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>,
Lyndon <lyn...@someisp.com> wrote:

Thanks for all the replies. I will give it another look and maybe even
read the book and see if I can get it to work!

Lyndon

[gtr]

On 2013-11-27 19:32:30 +0000, Lewis said:

> In message <lyndon-458FD4....@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>

> It always could be used with any domain hosting you wanted, but it was
> much harder to sync the site in a usable way to a third party host.
>
> I would classify as useless at this point.

I'm not sure why you say harder and useless. I use it all the time
with a non-icloud/mobile.me website; I push a button, it syncs. That
easy.

[gtr]

There's a book? If you run into issues let me know, perhaps I can help.

[Invid Fan]

In article <slrnl9eri8....@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <2013112807450986714-xxx@yyyzzz>

> I must be misremembering. As I recall it I had to public the site
> locally, then manually send it to the host.

I had to do that as well, as for whatever reason iWeb didn't want to do
the uploading. This helped me learn how inefficient the damned thing
was, as I saw how many copies of the same file there were (a copy of
the background image for each page, for example). I currently use
Sandvox.

--
Chris Mack "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan' - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'

[gtr]

On 2013-11-28 16:24:39 +0000, Lewis said:

> In message <2013112807450986714-xxx@yyyzzz>

> I must be misremembering. As I recall it I had to public the site
> locally, then manually send it to the host.

Seems I remember reading that myself long ago, but that's not how it
works. You just make some switches on the publishing preferences; from
MobileMe or Local Folder to ftp server. I use the ftp server and I
continue to just hit the "publish site" button and it updates it.

[gtr]

On 2013-11-28 19:11:13 +0000, Invid Fan said:

> In article <slrnl9eri8....@mbp55.local>, Lewis
> <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>> In message <2013112807450986714-xxx@yyyzzz>
>> gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>> On 2013-11-27 19:32:30 +0000, Lewis said:
>>
>>>> In message <lyndon-458FD4....@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>
>>>> Lyndon <lyn...@someisp.com> wrote:
>>>>> Can iWeb be used with any other domain hosting sites, or was it so
>>>>> specific to apple that it is now useless? I notice that when you menu
>>>>> select to "setup domain" that it tries to launch icloud.
>>>>
>>>> It always could be used with any domain hosting you wanted, but it was
>>>> much harder to sync the site in a usable way to a third party host.
>>>>
>>>> I would classify as useless at this point.
>>
>>> I'm not sure why you say harder and useless. I use it all the time
>>> with a non-icloud/mobile.me website; I push a button, it syncs. That
>>> easy.
>>
>> I must be misremembering. As I recall it I had to public the site
>> locally, then manually send it to the host.
>
> I had to do that as well, as for whatever reason iWeb didn't want to do
> the uploading.

I'm using the last published version 3.0.4. In one of the initial
offerings (v1.x I believe), it published all/most pages as whole
images. So if there was text and you wanted clip it, it was not
available. It really sucked. To this date, I still hear people
bad-rapping iWeb 1.x because it did that so very long ago. Should
consider the failings of Word 1.x either, in considering it's current
incarnation?

I don't know when ftp server options became available, but it seemed
like they were there with the 2.x version as well.

> This helped me learn how inefficient the damned thing
> was, as I saw how many copies of the same file there were (a copy of
> the background image for each page, for example).

Bingo! That's what I'm talking about. iWeb isn't the only program that
gets improved upon, by the way!

By the way for anybody who'd like to try it, it seems you can
apparently download 3.02 or 2.04 for free directly from Apple:

3.0.2:
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1104

2.04:
http://support.apple.com/kb/dl15

[gtr]

On 2013-11-28 20:14:54 +0000, gtr said:

> 3.0.2:
> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1104
>
> 2.04:
> http://support.apple.com/kb/dl15

Say, those may only be for updating existing programs now as I ponder it.

[nospam]

In article <2013112812145425069-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> I'm using the last published version 3.0.4. In one of the initial
> offerings (v1.x I believe), it published all/most pages as whole
> images. So if there was text and you wanted clip it, it was not
> available. It really sucked. To this date, I still hear people
> bad-rapping iWeb 1.x because it did that so very long ago. Should
> consider the failings of Word 1.x either, in considering it's current
> incarnation?

the original iweb used images for text when the font was not a standard
font so that it could guarantee that it looked the way the designer
intended.

unfortunately, that made web pages huge and non-searchable.

> I don't know when ftp server options became available, but it seemed
> like they were there with the 2.x version as well.

i'm pretty sure 1.0 could export a site, which you then could upload
however you wanted.

later versions made it so you could do it directly.

however, it's been years since i used iweb, especially 1.x.

[gtr]

On 2013-11-28 20:31:26 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <2013112812145425069-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>
>> I'm using the last published version 3.0.4. In one of the initial
>> offerings (v1.x I believe), it published all/most pages as whole
>> images. So if there was text and you wanted clip it, it was not
>> available. It really sucked. To this date, I still hear people
>> bad-rapping iWeb 1.x because it did that so very long ago. Should
>> consider the failings of Word 1.x either, in considering it's current
>> incarnation?
>
> the original iweb used images for text when the font was not a standard
> font so that it could guarantee that it looked the way the designer
> intended.

Interesting; I wondered why some pages would be images and some were
left alone.

[Frank]

On Thursday, November 28, 2013 10:46:26 AM UTC-5, gtr wrote:
> In article <lyndon-458FD4....@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>,
> > Lyndon <lyn...@someisp.com> wrote:

> ..There's a book?...

Yes..iLife '06 (Avondale Media) by Jim Heid devotes a short (about 20 pp) chapter
to it.

[Wes Groleau]

On 11-28-2013, 15:14, gtr wrote:
> By the way for anybody who'd like to try it, it seems you can apparently
> download 3.02 or 2.04 for free directly from Apple:
>
> 3.0.2:
> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1104

"The following disk images couldn't be opened
..... image not recognized"

I probably wouldn't have liked it anyway.

Every web page builder I've ever tried generated HTML that was garbage.

Some of them, granted, made pages that were tolerable
on the outside....

--
Wes Groleau

“But, Professor! I didn't plagiarize! I paid someone to
write the essay for me, and that person plagiarized!"
— from http://rateyourstudents.blogspot.com

[gtr]

On 2013-12-10 05:49:45 +0000, Wes Groleau said:

> On 11-28-2013, 15:14, gtr wrote:
>> By the way for anybody who'd like to try it, it seems you can apparently
>> download 3.02 or 2.04 for free directly from Apple:
>>
>> 3.0.2:
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1104
>
> "The following disk images couldn't be opened
> ..... image not recognized"

As noted in a later post, I think that is only an update for those who
have an earlier version of iWeb.

> I probably wouldn't have liked it anyway.
>
> Every web page builder I've ever tried generated HTML that was garbage.

If they were all garbage, I can assure you that iWeb would not have
changed your opinion of web page builders.