Increasing DPI/GUI screens in Mac OS X?

[Ant]

Hello.

Does Mac OS X (10.5.8 - 10.8.3) have DPI settings like in Windows and
Linux's GUI desktops to make things bigger like GUI stuff, texts/fonts,
etc. bigger? I cannot seem to find one. I did find zoom, but that isn't
what I am looking for.

Thank you in advance. :)
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[PhillipJones]

Ant wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Does Mac OS X (10.5.8 - 10.8.3) have DPI settings like in Windows and
> Linux's GUI desktops to make things bigger like GUI stuff, texts/fonts,
> etc. bigger? I cannot seem to find one. I did find zoom, but that isn't
> what I am looking for.
>
> Thank you in advance. :)

First:
System Preferences > LCD (Macbook Pro):
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s134/sh/d5d52be0-41e3-4eb9-a358-1d0e3dffc7a1/2e4a478003e2cf5ca813306466c74c70/deep/0/Screenshot%204/11/13%2010:40%20PM.jpg

System Preferences > Accessibility:
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s134/sh/1c6925e0-713a-4c2a-837b-f2ab67fe3bcd/3a5de785d0617382d4099e2f11349f1d/deep/0/Screenshot%204/11/13%2010:46%20PM.jpg
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[JF Mezei]

On 13-04-11 21:17, Ant wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Does Mac OS X (10.5.8 - 10.8.3) have DPI settings like in Windows and
> Linux's GUI desktops to make things bigger like GUI stuff, texts/fonts,
> etc. bigger? I cannot seem to find one. I did find zoom, but that isn't
> what I am looking for.

System Preferences -> Displays (in the Hardware section). This lets you
dynamically change the display resolutions. You can also have a manu
item added to the top which, when clicked, gives you a drop donw menu of
available resulutions for each display attached to your computer.

After changing display settings, if yu do not confirm within X seconds,
it automatically reverts back to the previous setting. (in case the
screen no longer works after changing settings for instance)

It is very well done.

[Helpful Harry]

In article <516789e8$0$13580$c3e8da3$dd96...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei

The only problem is that thanks to the limitations of LCD displays, the
image on the screen is often a bit blurry at non-default resolutions. What
you gain in size, you lose in sharpness.

Helpful Harry :o)

[nospam]

In article
<HelpfulHarry-1...@203-118-187-8.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,

Helpful Harry <Helpfu...@BusyWorking.com> wrote:

> The only problem is that thanks to the limitations of LCD displays, the
> image on the screen is often a bit blurry at non-default resolutions. What
> you gain in size, you lose in sharpness.

unless it's on a retina display.

[Helpful Harry]

In article <120420130222587006%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam

I was actually going to add that I hadn't tried it on a Retina MacBook
yet. Technically even on a retina display you will lose some sharpness,
but it won't be as noticeable.

Helpful Harry :o)

[nospam]

In article
<HelpfulHarry-1...@203-118-187-8.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Helpful Harry <Helpfu...@BusyWorking.com> wrote:

> > > The only problem is that thanks to the limitations of LCD displays, the
> > > image on the screen is often a bit blurry at non-default resolutions. What
> > > you gain in size, you lose in sharpness.
> >
> > unless it's on a retina display.
>
> I was actually going to add that I hadn't tried it on a Retina MacBook
> yet. Technically even on a retina display you will lose some sharpness,
> but it won't be as noticeable.

technically yes, but it won't be noticeable at all.

[Calum]

On 12/04/2013 07:22, Helpful Harry wrote:

> The only problem is that thanks to the limitations of LCD displays, the
> image on the screen is often a bit blurry at non-default resolutions. What
> you gain in size, you lose in sharpness.

There's also a way to use the Mac developer tools to switch a non-Retina
Mac into HiDPI mode, which doubles the size of everything on the sceren
without losing sharpness. It's not the most practical solution for
day-to-day use, though.

<http://www.mactrast.com/2013/01/how-to-enable-retina-graphics-on-a-non-retina-mac/>

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[Lloyd]

In article
<HelpfulHarry-1...@203-118-187-8.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,

Yeah, just like Windows in that case.

[Ant]

Thanks for the replies, but I forgot to mention that without changing
the resolutions. :)

In comp.sys.mac.apps Ant <ANT...@zimage.com> wrote:

> Does Mac OS X (10.5.8 - 10.8.3) have DPI settings like in Windows and
> Linux's GUI desktops to make things bigger like GUI stuff, texts/fonts,
> etc. bigger? I cannot seem to find one. I did find zoom, but that isn't
> what I am looking for.

[Barry Margolin]

In article <v6WdnaMAbb9__vXM...@earthlink.com>,

ANT...@zimage.com (Ant) wrote:

> Thanks for the replies, but I forgot to mention that without changing
> the resolutions. :)

Many applications have Cmd-plus and Cmd-minus to increase and decrease
the size of stuff in their windows.

>
>
> In comp.sys.mac.apps Ant <ANT...@zimage.com> wrote:
>
> > Does Mac OS X (10.5.8 - 10.8.3) have DPI settings like in Windows and
> > Linux's GUI desktops to make things bigger like GUI stuff, texts/fonts,
> > etc. bigger? I cannot seem to find one. I did find zoom, but that isn't
> > what I am looking for.

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[Ant]

On 4/12/2013 1:03 PM PT, Barry Margolin typed:

> Many applications have Cmd-plus and Cmd-minus to increase and decrease
> the size of stuff in their windows.

Sure, but what about GUI stuff like menu's fonts, etc.? :)

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[Barry Margolin]

In article <pP6dnf4-DbynjPfM...@earthlink.com>,

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> On 4/12/2013 1:03 PM PT, Barry Margolin typed:
>
> > Many applications have Cmd-plus and Cmd-minus to increase and decrease
> > the size of stuff in their windows.
>
> Sure, but what about GUI stuff like menu's fonts, etc.? :)

For that, I think the only solution is zoom, which you said you already
knew about, or changing the screen resolution.

[Larry Gusaas]

On 2013-04-13 8:15 PM Ant wrote:
> On 4/12/2013 1:03 PM PT, Barry Margolin typed:
>
> > Many applications have Cmd-plus and Cmd-minus to increase and decrease
>> the size of stuff in their windows.
>
> Sure, but what about GUI stuff like menu's fonts, etc.? :)

Try TinkerTool http://www.bresink.com/osx/TinkerTool.html


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[Ant]

On 4/13/2013 7:35 PM PT, Barry Margolin typed:

>>> Many applications have Cmd-plus and Cmd-minus to increase and decrease
>>> the size of stuff in their windows.
>>
>> Sure, but what about GUI stuff like menu's fonts, etc.? :)
>
> For that, I think the only solution is zoom, which you said you already
> knew about, or changing the screen resolution.

Thanks anyways. Apple needs to add a DPI feature like other OSes. :(
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[Helpful Harry]

In article <t_edneEuNt-x9_bM...@earthlink.com>, Ant

<a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> On 4/13/2013 7:35 PM PT, Barry Margolin typed:
>
> >>> Many applications have Cmd-plus and Cmd-minus to increase and decrease
> >>> the size of stuff in their windows.
> >>
> >> Sure, but what about GUI stuff like menu's fonts, etc.? :)
> >
> > For that, I think the only solution is zoom, which you said you already
> > knew about, or changing the screen resolution.
>
> Thanks anyways. Apple needs to add a DPI feature like other OSes. :(

I think you're confusing DPI, screen resolution, and the size of the fonts
and icons.

Changing a screen's DPI won't do anything realistically useful. With a
good enough screen, you'll get sharper or blurrier text. The Retina
MacBook Pro, iPad and iPhone for example have a higher DPI, but everything
is the same size.

Changing the resolution will make everything bigger of smaller, and blurrier.

If you simply want to change the size of icons, that can be done in the
options for Finder windows. If you want to make the standard system font
larger or a different font, then there are some third party applications
that will do that and some applications have their own Preference settings
to do that. There's also ways to enlarge the mouse cursor.

Then there's the zoom options designed for helping people with a visual
disability.

Helpful Harry :o)

[Ant]

On 4/14/2013 11:28 PM PT, Helpful Harry typed:

> I think you're confusing DPI, screen resolution, and the size of the fonts
> and icons.
>
> Changing a screen's DPI won't do anything realistically useful. With a
> good enough screen, you'll get sharper or blurrier text. The Retina
> MacBook Pro, iPad and iPhone for example have a higher DPI, but everything
> is the same size.
>
> Changing the resolution will make everything bigger of smaller, and blurrier.
>
> If you simply want to change the size of icons, that can be done in the
> options for Finder windows. If you want to make the standard system font
> larger or a different font, then there are some third party applications
> that will do that and some applications have their own Preference settings
> to do that. There's also ways to enlarge the mouse cursor.
>
> Then there's the zoom options designed for helping people with a visual
> disability.

What about making everything bigger at the same time? Fonts/Texts,
icons, GUIs, etc.?
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[Barry Margolin]

In article <46mdnaK1xoaqPvbM...@earthlink.com>,

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> On 4/14/2013 11:28 PM PT, Helpful Harry typed:
>
> > I think you're confusing DPI, screen resolution, and the size of the fonts
> > and icons.
> >
> > Changing a screen's DPI won't do anything realistically useful. With a
> > good enough screen, you'll get sharper or blurrier text. The Retina
> > MacBook Pro, iPad and iPhone for example have a higher DPI, but everything
> > is the same size.
> >
> > Changing the resolution will make everything bigger of smaller, and
> > blurrier.
> >
> > If you simply want to change the size of icons, that can be done in the
> > options for Finder windows. If you want to make the standard system font
> > larger or a different font, then there are some third party applications
> > that will do that and some applications have their own Preference settings
> > to do that. There's also ways to enlarge the mouse cursor.
> >
> > Then there's the zoom options designed for helping people with a visual
> > disability.
>
> What about making everything bigger at the same time? Fonts/Texts,
> icons, GUIs, etc.?

That's what zoom does.

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Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> On 4/13/2013 7:35 PM PT, Barry Margolin typed:

>> For that, I think the only solution is zoom, which you said you
>> already knew about, or changing the screen resolution.

> Thanks anyways. Apple needs to add a DPI feature like other OSes. :(

It's not identified as DPI, as it may be in an application like
PhotoShop, but it really sounds as through you want to change your
display resolution. This would change the pixels displayed per inch.

System Preferences => Display
Select Scaled radio button, to see available screen resoltions

Everything will be rendered larger or smaller, as you desire, along
with a change of resolution, good or bad.

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[Helpful Harry]

In article <barmar-0B81B9....@news.eternal-september.org>,

Screen resolution is the answer, and I think that's what he means under
Windows too. I can't say I've ever seen a "DPI" option in Windows, but
then I don't use it that often. It's possible that some external displays
have such a feature built-in by the manufacturer, but that isn't anything
to do with Windows and certainly won't make anything bigger or smaller by
itself.

Helpful Harry :o)

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On Tuesday, 16 April 2013 08:58 +1200, in article
<HelpfulHarry-1...@203-118-187-123.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,

Helpful Harry <Helpfu...@BusyWorking.com> wrote:

> Screen resolution is the answer, and I think that's what he means
> under Windows too. I can't say I've ever seen a "DPI" option in
> Windows, but then I don't use it that often. It's possible that some
> external displays have such a feature built-in by the manufacturer,
> but that isn't anything to do with Windows and certainly won't make
> anything bigger or smaller by itself.

I think some of the confusion hinges on the fact that dpi (dots per
inch) is resolution definition for printers and scanners, not
monitors or displays; whereas ppi (pixels per inch) is used to define
resolution for displays, scanners and printers.

If Microsoft is using dpi to define display resolution, there would
appear to be some confusion, regarding the term.

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[Barry Margolin]

In article
<HelpfulHarry-1...@203-118-187-123.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,

In one of his earlier messages he said he knows about changing screen
resolution, and that's not what he wants.

I think what he's actually looking for is something like Cmd-plus, which
operates just within a single window. But he wants it to affect both
images and text uniformly -- in many applications it just applies to
text.

[dorayme]

In article <alpine.OSX.2.00.1...@mako.ath.cx>,

David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> System Preferences => Display
> Select Scaled radio button, to see available screen resoltions
>
> Everything will be rendered larger or smaller, as you desire, along
> with a change of resolution, good or bad

With LCD screens, anything but the native looks not the best, but I
know people with Macs that are happy to set it for coarser so words
are easier to read. For those of us that tend to use browsers and PDF
readers mostly for words, as well astext editors, there is no need to
set the screen to anything but the native as one can simply set larger
text inside the particular apps, gaining the advantage of better
picture viewing.

There is a little problem that, up to Snow Leopard, Apple never seems
to solve: text size on menu items! If the latter could be more user
controllable (as it is in browsers), it would be so good!

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[dorayme]

In article <barmar-1ED2E5....@news.eternal-september.org>,

Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> I think what he's actually looking for is something like Cmd-plus, which
> operates just within a single window. But he wants it to affect both
> images and text uniformly -- in many applications it just applies to
> text.

In some browsers, my Safari and Firefox, for example, there are two
sorts of enlargement possibilities. One makes both images and text
larger, a real zoom (with some sophistication in that the text is not
just pixel zoomed but mathematically following the internal specs of
the fonts, they always remaining beautifully sharp (at least on a Mac,
not so lovely on Windoze from what I have seen). The other just
enlarges text and leaves images at whatever the HTML/CSS author
specifies for them.

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[Paul Sture]

In article <dorayme-C5D72D...@news.albasani.net>,

There was also a problem back in Panther/Tiger days with the Address
Book app. cmd-+ would only magnify the phone number, which was sodding
useless if you were trying to read other info.

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[Ant]

> > > I think you're confusing DPI, screen resolution, and the size of the fonts
> > > and icons.
> > >
> > > Changing a screen's DPI won't do anything realistically useful. With a
> > > good enough screen, you'll get sharper or blurrier text. The Retina
> > > MacBook Pro, iPad and iPhone for example have a higher DPI, but everything
> > > is the same size.
> > >
> > > Changing the resolution will make everything bigger of smaller, and
> > > blurrier.
> > >
> > > If you simply want to change the size of icons, that can be done in the
> > > options for Finder windows. If you want to make the standard system font
> > > larger or a different font, then there are some third party applications
> > > that will do that and some applications have their own Preference settings
> > > to do that. There's also ways to enlarge the mouse cursor.
> > >
> > > Then there's the zoom options designed for helping people with a visual
> > > disability.
> >
> > What about making everything bigger at the same time? Fonts/Texts,
> > icons, GUIs, etc.?

> That's what zoom does.

But that's only one area and not the whole fullsrceen. :(
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[Ant]

> In one of his earlier messages he said he knows about changing screen
> resolution, and that's not what he wants.

> I think what he's actually looking for is something like Cmd-plus, which
> operates just within a single window. But he wants it to affect both
> images and text uniformly -- in many applications it just applies to
> text.

Well, I prefer everything not just that application.

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[Helpful Harry]

In article <qtCdnah_xrCWPvHM...@earthlink.com>,

ANT...@zimage.com (Ant) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think you're confusing DPI, screen resolution, and the size of the
> > > > fonts and icons.
> > > >
> > > > Changing a screen's DPI won't do anything realistically useful. With a
> > > > good enough screen, you'll get sharper or blurrier text. The Retina
> > > > MacBook Pro, iPad and iPhone for example have a higher DPI, but
> > > > everything is the same size.
> > > >
> > > > Changing the resolution will make everything bigger of smaller, and
> > > > blurrier.
> > > >
> > > > If you simply want to change the size of icons, that can be done in the
> > > > options for Finder windows. If you want to make the standard system font
> > > > larger or a different font, then there are some third party applications
> > > > that will do that and some applications have their own Preference
> > > > settings to do that. There's also ways to enlarge the mouse cursor.
> > > >
> > > > Then there's the zoom options designed for helping people with a visual
> > > > disability.
> > >
> > > What about making everything bigger at the same time? Fonts/Texts,
> > > icons, GUIs, etc.?
> >
> > That's what zoom does.
>
> But that's only one area and not the whole fullsrceen. :(

You can zoom the whole screen, but that of course putr some of the screen
off the actual LCD display. When you move the mouse to the edge of the
screen the Desktop or whatever will scroll to show the previous off-screen
area.

The only real answer to what you want to achieve is to change the display
resolution, but for some peculiar reason you don't want to do that.

Helpful Harry :o)

[JF Mezei]

On 13-04-15 21:02, Ant wrote:

>> That's what zoom does.
>
> But that's only one area and not the whole fullsrceen. :(

For me, CTRL and then the "sroll up/down" on the mouse cause the zooming
to act on all 3 screens connected to my Mac. This is not something you
use n a permanent bases, but you can use it to temperarily zoome in to
see a picture or small text.

Changing the screen resolution in the "Display" proeferences (or on the
top menu bar) allows you to increase the size of GUI objects AND cause
OS-X to re-arrange your desktop to fit things into the smaller screen
real-estate.

[Helpful Harry]

In article <alpine.OSX.2.00.1...@mako.ath.cx>, David Ritz
<dr...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 16 April 2013 08:58 +1200, in article
> <HelpfulHarry-1...@203-118-187-123.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
> Helpful Harry <Helpfu...@BusyWorking.com> wrote:
> >
> > Screen resolution is the answer, and I think that's what he means
> > under Windows too. I can't say I've ever seen a "DPI" option in
> > Windows, but then I don't use it that often. It's possible that some
> > external displays have such a feature built-in by the manufacturer,
> > but that isn't anything to do with Windows and certainly won't make
> > anything bigger or smaller by itself.
>
> I think some of the confusion hinges on the fact that dpi (dots per
> inch) is resolution definition for printers and scanners, not
> monitors or displays; whereas ppi (pixels per inch) is used to define
> resolution for displays, scanners and printers.
>
> If Microsoft is using dpi to define display resolution, there would
> appear to be some confusion, regarding the term.

PPI or DPI makes no real difference. Even if it was possible to change the
DPI or PPI of a display, it won't (or at least shouldn't) change the size
of an object on it. A two inch long button will still be two inches long.

Changing the resolution of the display will change the size of objects
since an object that is 20 pixels long will become bigger if the 13"
display is lowered from 1024x768 to 800x600. It means you fit less on
screen and on LCD displays things become blurrier.

As usual, it is Microsoft that is causing this confusing. Apparently you
can scale objects on the screen in Windows 7 and 8, and they have stupidly
called it changing the DPI of the display, but in reality it's doing
nothing of the sort. It's simply scaling everything on screen bigger or
smaller.
<http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/change-your-monitors-dots-per-inch-dpi-setting.html>

Helpful Harry :o)

[JF Mezei]

On 13-04-15 21:31, Helpful Harry wrote:

> display is lowered from 1024x768 to 800x600. It means you fit less on
> screen and on LCD displays things become blurrier.

Not true. This is different from zooming.

Text and vector objects such as window decorations, textual buttons etc
will be rendered according to the new size. Bitmapped icons will of
course be rendered at bigger size so their imperfections may become
visible, but will not be "fuzzy".

OSX will recreate your desktop to fit the new screen size instead od
scaling it up/down. It will also reposition the icons/documenst on your
desktop to fit inside the new smaller screen real-estate.

[dorayme]

In article <516cb070$0$47095$c3e8da3$9b4f...@news.astraweb.com>,

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Bitmapped icons will of
> course be rendered at bigger size so their imperfections may become
> visible, but will not be "fuzzy".

Depends on what you mean by "fuzzy".

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[Ant]

> > > > What about making everything bigger at the same time? Fonts/Texts,
> > > > icons, GUIs, etc.?
> > >
> > > That's what zoom does.
> >
> > But that's only one area and not the whole fullsrceen. :(

> You can zoom the whole screen, but that of course putr some of the screen
> off the actual LCD display. When you move the mouse to the edge of the
> screen the Desktop or whatever will scroll to show the previous off-screen
> area.

That's annoying.

> The only real answer to what you want to achieve is to change the display
> resolution, but for some peculiar reason you don't want to do that.

Yeah, that is the best option to use from all the provided ones. :(

[Helpful Harry]

In article <zqydnVggW55QKPDM...@earthlink.com>,

ANT...@zimage.com (Ant) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > What about making everything bigger at the same time? Fonts/Texts,
> > > > > icons, GUIs, etc.?
> > > >
> > > > That's what zoom does.
> > >
> > > But that's only one area and not the whole fullsrceen. :(
> >
> > You can zoom the whole screen, but that of course putr some of the screen
> > off the actual LCD display. When you move the mouse to the edge of the
> > screen the Desktop or whatever will scroll to show the previous off-screen
> > area.
>
> That's annoying.
>
>
> > The only real answer to what you want to achieve is to change the display
> > resolution, but for some peculiar reason you don't want to do that.
>
> Yeah, that is the best option to use from all the provided ones. :(

It's the exact same effect. The only difference is that the display will
look a bit blurrier (unless you're using a Retina Mac Book Pro).

The so-called changing of the "DPI" under Windows simply enlarges
everything, so you'll still get less on-screen. Any bitmap graphical
elemnts will at best look blurry in this method too.


Helpful Harry :o)

[Elijah Nzita]

Bruh

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