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Matthew David Hills

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Feb 11, 2002, 6:41:59 PM2/11/02
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Hi,
Can anyone recommend a help site or FAQ that will help with the
following issue:

I'd like to create a PDF that will eventually be printed on letterhead,
and getting a consistent margin/layout is important.

I can lay out a page and it prints with the desired margins.
Sending it to distiller, the PDF margins still look fine (using the grid
in Acrobat), but printing will typically change the margins by some
amount. (ie, the page is scaled to fit to new margins).

I've noticed that in "Acrobat Reader" there are some settings in Page Setup
that seem to affect these margins (such as "Format For..." [printer])

Any advice on where to look so that I can get these things nailed?

Thanks,
Matt
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Philip Schuler

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Feb 12, 2002, 4:17:40 PM2/12/02
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In article <a49ks7$esm$1...@usenet.Stanford.EDU>,

Matthew David Hills <hi...@Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>
> I can lay out a page and it prints with the desired margins.
> Sending it to distiller, the PDF margins still look fine (using the grid
> in Acrobat), but printing will typically change the margins by some
> amount. (ie, the page is scaled to fit to new margins).


Check your print options and make sure that you have "fit to page" turned
*off*. (Acrobat 5 uses different words -- something like "shrink oversize
objects")

Matthew David Hills

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Feb 12, 2002, 6:55:41 PM2/12/02
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Yes, this works well with the Acrobat application.

Is there an equivalent for Acrobat Reader?
(that doesn't seem to have an option to turn this shrinkage off)

Matt

Jeff Collins

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Feb 12, 2002, 8:24:57 PM2/12/02
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In article <a4ca1t$mbe$1...@usenet.Stanford.EDU>,

hi...@Stanford.EDU (Matthew David Hills) wrote:

> Philip Schuler <psch...@wam.umd.edu> wrote:
> >Matthew David Hills <hi...@Stanford.EDU> wrote:

> >Check your print options and make sure that you have "fit to page" turned
> >*off*. (Acrobat 5 uses different words -- something like "shrink oversize
> >objects")
>

> Is there an equivalent for Acrobat Reader?
> (that doesn't seem to have an option to turn this shrinkage off)

Yes. The option is on the 'Acrobat Reader' section of the print dialog.
It's called 'shrink oversize pages...'.

I missed the first part of this thread, but you know you can use the
Preview application in OS X to print, as a nimble alternative to Acrobat
Reader.

cheers,
Jeff

Matthew David Hills

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Feb 13, 2002, 1:04:35 AM2/13/02
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Jeff Collins <col...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> hi...@Stanford.EDU (Matthew David Hills) wrote:
>> Philip Schuler <psch...@wam.umd.edu> wrote:
>> >Check your print options and make sure that you have "fit to page" turned
>> >*off*. (Acrobat 5 uses different words -- something like "shrink oversize
>> >objects")
>>
>> Is there an equivalent for Acrobat Reader?
>> (that doesn't seem to have an option to turn this shrinkage off)
>
>Yes. The option is on the 'Acrobat Reader' section of the print dialog.
>It's called 'shrink oversize pages...'.

Acrobat Reader 5 for MacOSX does not have this option. (the OS9 version
does). Apple's Preview application does work better on this issue,
but I've had problems with other issues (I think it may be related to
embedded fonts)

But I think I'm set for now. (I hope Adobe gets their act together on
OS X -- Illustrator is also pretty disappointing)

Matt

Jeff Collins

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Feb 13, 2002, 3:19:19 PM2/13/02
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In article <a4cvlj$4k5$1...@usenet.Stanford.EDU>,

hi...@Stanford.EDU (Matthew David Hills) wrote:

> Jeff Collins <col...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Yes. The option is on the 'Acrobat Reader' section of the print dialog.
> >It's called 'shrink oversize pages...'.
>
> Acrobat Reader 5 for MacOSX does not have this option. (the OS9 version
> does).

Erm, I'm using the OS X version of Acrobat Reader 5.0 and it does have
that option. I took a screen shot and posted on <alt.binaries.mac> under
subject "AcroRead..." Seeing a picture might help you get oriented.

Or maybe it depends on the type of printer you select?

>Apple's Preview application does work better on this issue,
> but I've had problems with other issues (I think it may be related to
> embedded fonts)

Yes, I see problems with fonts, especially when trying to go from .dvi
to .pdf. I think it's an Apple problem with their ps interpreter...

> But I think I'm set for now. (I hope Adobe gets their act together on
> OS X -- Illustrator is also pretty disappointing)

Do you mean performance or feature set? I haven't found anything
Illustrator can't do (well, within limits of a graphics computer program
:-). Doing it quickly, however, is a different story. I figure it's
because I'm running on a Beige G3 233. Not a speedster.

cheers,
Jeff

sbt

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Feb 13, 2002, 3:58:13 PM2/13/02
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In article <collij2-40E20F...@news.bellatlantic.net>, Jeff
Collins <col...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> In article <a4cvlj$4k5$1...@usenet.Stanford.EDU>,
> hi...@Stanford.EDU (Matthew David Hills) wrote:
>

---snip---


> > But I think I'm set for now. (I hope Adobe gets their act together on
> > OS X -- Illustrator is also pretty disappointing)
>
> Do you mean performance or feature set? I haven't found anything
> Illustrator can't do (well, within limits of a graphics computer program
> :-). Doing it quickly, however, is a different story. I figure it's
> because I'm running on a Beige G3 233. Not a speedster.
>

I'm going to agree with Jeff, here. I've been very pleased with
Illustrator 10. I'm using it on a G4/400 with 768MB of RAM and it has
been quite satisfactory, actually seems faster than the same version on
OS 9.

--
--Spenser

Matthew David Hills

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Feb 13, 2002, 8:52:15 PM2/13/02
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Jeff Collins <col...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Acrobat Reader 5 for MacOSX does not have this option. (the OS9 version
>> does).
>
>Erm, I'm using the OS X version of Acrobat Reader 5.0 and it does have
>that option. I took a screen shot and posted on <alt.binaries.mac> under
>subject "AcroRead..." Seeing a picture might help you get oriented.

I'll counter with my own screenshot:

http://tina.stanford.edu/~hills/acroread_print.jpg

(can you email me your screenshot? -- my news server doesn't pick up the
binaries newsgroup)

>> But I think I'm set for now. (I hope Adobe gets their act together on
>> OS X -- Illustrator is also pretty disappointing)
>
>Do you mean performance or feature set? I haven't found anything
>Illustrator can't do (well, within limits of a graphics computer program
>:-).

Things I dislike:
- performance
- printing (pressing "preview" prints correctly; pressing "print" sends
raw postscript to the printer, which prints as garbage... I've read
something about this possibly being related to PDF vs. PS on MacOS)
The two things I like about Illustrator:
- multi-byte language handling
- postscript import (not perfect, but better than competition
that I've seen)

Consequently, I prefer Freehand 10 for most of my illustration work.

Matt

Jeff Collins

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Feb 13, 2002, 10:12:37 PM2/13/02
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In article <a4f58f$4n1$1...@usenet.Stanford.EDU>,

hi...@Stanford.EDU (Matthew David Hills) wrote:

> Jeff Collins <col...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> Acrobat Reader 5 for MacOSX does not have this option. (the OS9 version
> >> does).
> >
> >Erm, I'm using the OS X version of Acrobat Reader 5.0 and it does have
> >that option. I took a screen shot and posted on <alt.binaries.mac> under
> >subject "AcroRead..." Seeing a picture might help you get oriented.
>
> I'll counter with my own screenshot:
>
> http://tina.stanford.edu/~hills/acroread_print.jpg
>
> (can you email me your screenshot? -- my news server doesn't pick up the
> binaries newsgroup)

Weird. I've got an "Acrobat Reader" selection on the pulldown menu
between "printer features" and "summary". I put the screenshot at
<http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze22kt4/dialog.jpg>

I dunno what the deal could be... Maybe someone else'll have seen this?

Jeff

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Matthew David Hills

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Feb 14, 2002, 10:50:19 AM2/14/02
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Jeff Collins <col...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> hi...@Stanford.EDU (Matthew David Hills) wrote:
>> I'll counter with my own screenshot:
>>
>> http://tina.stanford.edu/~hills/acroread_print.jpg
>>
>Weird. I've got an "Acrobat Reader" selection on the pulldown menu
>between "printer features" and "summary". I put the screenshot at
><http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze22kt4/dialog.jpg>

Problem solved... the Acrobat Reader 5.0.5 update adds this
functionality.

I'm a happy camper

Matt

Jeff Collins

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Feb 14, 2002, 3:12:07 PM2/14/02
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In article <a4gmbr$n7g$1...@usenet.Stanford.EDU>,

hi...@Stanford.EDU (Matthew David Hills) wrote:

> Jeff Collins <col...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> > hi...@Stanford.EDU (Matthew David Hills) wrote:
> >> I'll counter with my own screenshot:
> >>
> >> http://tina.stanford.edu/~hills/acroread_print.jpg
> >>
> >Weird. I've got an "Acrobat Reader" selection on the pulldown menu
> >between "printer features" and "summary". I put the screenshot at
> ><http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze22kt4/dialog.jpg>
>
> Problem solved... the Acrobat Reader 5.0.5 update adds this
> functionality.

Ah, I should've thought of that. Strange because when I do a get info on
Acrobat Reader in the Finder, the program doesn't say anything about
5.0.5: just reads as 5.0. I did update to 5.0.5 though.

Anyway, glad you figured it out.

sbt

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Feb 14, 2002, 8:47:38 PM2/14/02
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In article <a4f58f$4n1$1...@usenet.Stanford.EDU>, Matthew David Hills
<hi...@Stanford.EDU> wrote:

> Things I dislike:
> - performance
> - printing (pressing "preview" prints correctly; pressing "print" sends
> raw postscript to the printer, which prints as garbage... I've read
> something about this possibly being related to PDF vs. PS on MacOS)
> The two things I like about Illustrator:
> - multi-byte language handling
> - postscript import (not perfect, but better than competition
> that I've seen)
>
> Consequently, I prefer Freehand 10 for most of my illustration work.

As noted in another message, I find the performance on both a G3/400
PowerBook and a G4/400 desktop to be quite reasonable.

Printing works fine for me, whether I am printing to a color (Epson)
inkjet or to a LaserWriter IIf. No problems with it sending raw
PostScript to either printer.

Frankly, I've never been able to get comfortable with Freehand, but
different strokes for different folks. If it works for you, that's
great.

--Spenser

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