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Frank

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Apr 27, 2012, 5:56:37 AM4/27/12

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In mail (snowleopard) on one and only one addy that I have used for
years the message bounces. It will be delivered if I reply to it but
change the mailer-daimon addy to the original addy. Included in the
bounced message header is a reply to
webmail.sysops.aol.com addy. The original recipient addy is an aol
addy. What is going on here?

Jamie Kahn Genet

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Apr 27, 2012, 6:34:06 AM4/27/12

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I'm not certain I follow you. Perhaps you could give a step by step
example of when it fails and when it works? Appending a copy of one of
the bounces with full headers might also be helpful.
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

Frank

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Apr 27, 2012, 9:07:06 AM4/27/12

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On Apr 27, 6:34 am, jami...

> I'm not certain I follow you. Perhaps you could give a step by step
> example of when it fails and when it works?

It fails when I send the message by clicking on <send>
It works when I reply by clicking on <replying> and appropriately
changing the addresses

Appending a copy of one of
> the bounces with full headers might also be helpful.

I have changed my name to johndoe on this copy and the recipient's
name to janedoe
_____________________

This message was created automatically by the Windstream mail system.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es)
failed:
jan...@aol.com
Reporting-MTA: dns; pacmmta53
Arrival-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:10:39 -0400

Final-Recipient: rfc822; jan...@aol.com
Status: 5.4.7
Action: failed
Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:32:14 -0400
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 5.4.7 [internal] exceeded max retries
without delivery
------ This is a copy of the headers of the original message. ------

Return-Path: <joh...@windstream.nett>
X-WS-COS: WSOB803
X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined
X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1
cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0
a=UT_QgiwtmQIA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=1WmJ4cHudNTB4EZRjSgA:9
a=4GlCR4qIfthT_0iXyVIA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10
a=fSmKVCG13NHsJKK1enQA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=s4dC1nWb7gLfyAfgbgAEgA==:
117
X-Cloudmark-Score: 0
Received: from [98.17.153.68] ([98.17.153.68:58445]
helo=[192.168.1.100])
by pacmmta53 (envelope-from <joh...@windstream.net>)
(ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39824M)) with ESMTP
id 5F/76-21063-F2D299F4; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:10:39 -0400
From: John Doe <john...@windstream.net>
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084)
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-649152954
Subject: Re: COLD and WINDY in VIrginia
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:10:38 -0400
In-Reply-To: <8CEEFDAFA1A84...@webmail-d181.sysops.aol.com>
To: jan...@aol.com
References: <8CEEFDAFA1A84...@webmail-d181.sysops.aol.com>
Message-Id: <6AED912A-8D07-443B...@windstream.net>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084)

Barry Margolin

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Apr 27, 2012, 10:43:48 AM4/27/12

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In article
<c96f4152-9326-48af...@c4g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,

Frank <gn...@windstream.net> wrote:

> On Apr 27, 6:34 am, jami...
> > I'm not certain I follow you. Perhaps you could give a step by step
> > example of when it fails and when it works?
>
> It fails when I send the message by clicking on <send>
> It works when I reply by clicking on <replying> and appropriately
> changing the addresses

So you originally received an email from janedoe, clicked on Reply, sent
your message, and got this bounce. What happens if you compose a brand
new message to janedoe, rather than replying to one of her messages?

The bounce message suggests that there's a communication problem between
the windstream.net server and AOL's mailer. Or maybe it's due to some
anti-spam technology.

>
>
> Appending a copy of one of
> > the bounces with full headers might also be helpful.
> I have changed my name to johndoe on this copy and the recipient's
> name to janedoe

Is the extra "t" in "Return-Path: <joh...@windstream.nett>" due to your
editing, or was it in the original?

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Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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Wes Groleau

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Apr 27, 2012, 9:41:24 PM4/27/12

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On 04-27-2012 09:07, Frank wrote:
> It fails when I send the message by clicking on<send>
> It works when I reply by clicking on<replying> and appropriately
> changing the addresses

If there is a Reply-To header, does that override editing the To
address? Or is the Reply-To have a wrong address and it automatically
inserts that in the To field, and then it works when you send?

I don't know, the whole thing is a little confusing.

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Frank

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Apr 28, 2012, 5:44:58 AM4/28/12

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On Apr 27, 9:41 pm, Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 04-27-2012 09:07, Frank wrote:
>
> > It fails when I send the message by clicking on<send>
> > It works when I reply by clicking on<replying> and appropriately
> > changing the addresses
>
> If there is a Reply-To header, does that override editing the To
> address? Or is the Reply-To have a wrong address and it automatically
> inserts that in the To field, and then it works when you send?

I go to the sent mailbox and click on <reply to> and then edit the To
field. The editing is changing the To from my address to janedoe...

Frank

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Apr 28, 2012, 5:38:33 AM4/28/12

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> So you originally received an email from janedoe, clicked on Reply, sent
> your message, and got this bounce. What happens if you compose a brand
> new message to janedoe, rather than replying to one of her messages?

it bounces

> Is the extra "t" in "Return-Path: <john...@windstream.nett>" due to your

> editing, or was it in the original?

my error in editing

Jamie Kahn Genet

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Apr 28, 2012, 8:22:05 AM4/28/12

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Frank <gn...@windstream.net> wrote:

> > So you originally received an email from janedoe, clicked on Reply, sent
> > your message, and got this bounce. What happens if you compose a brand
> > new message to janedoe, rather than replying to one of her messages?
>
> it bounces

You're certain you're not entering an incorrect address? Maybe just one
character off?

Barry Margolin

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Apr 28, 2012, 12:51:37 PM4/28/12

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In article <jnfhs5$dnv$1...@dont-email.me>,

No, Reply-to is just used when initially filling in the destination in
the reply, in place of the From header. Either way, you can then edit
the address and that will be used.

Barry Margolin

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Apr 28, 2012, 12:52:57 PM4/28/12

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In article
<c38eb1a6-1eec-4f75...@f27g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,

So the only way you can successfully send her a message is to send a
message, wait for the bounce, reply to the bounce, and then edit the
address in this reply?

I'm stumped.

Frank

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Apr 29, 2012, 7:45:08 AM4/29/12

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On Apr 28, 12:52 pm, Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> So the only way you can successfully send her a message is to send a
> message, wait for the bounce, reply to the bounce, and then edit the
> address in this reply?

That is correct.

Barry Margolin

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Apr 29, 2012, 12:19:19 PM4/29/12

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In article
<7b63de25-01a1-479a...@e42g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,

When you send this reply, do you leave all the "your message could not
be delivered" stuff from the bounce, or do you edit it down to just the
message you were trying to send?

I'm thinking that maybe there's some anti-spam going on, and when it
sees its own bounce message it lets that through.