Did Apple release an El Capitan v10.11.6 installer app via its App Store?

[Ant]

I downloaded the purchased El Capitan, installed it from a bootable USB
64 GB flash drive, saw v10.11.5, and then got all updates. However, it
ended up with v10.11.6 at the end. Am I missing something? If not, then
I thought Apple always have the newest version's installer in its App Store.

Thank you in advance. :)
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[Savageduck]

On 2017-02-25 02:30:31 +0000, Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> said:

> I downloaded the purchased El Capitan, installed it from a bootable USB
> 64 GB flash drive, saw v10.11.5, and then got all updates. However, it
> ended up with v10.11.6 at the end. Am I missing something? If not, then
> I thought Apple always have the newest version's installer in its App
> Store.
>
> Thank you in advance. :)

OSX 10.11.6 is, other than security updates, the final release of "El
Capitan". The next step up is to MacOS Sierra, or 10.12, currently at
10.12.3.
10.12.4 Beta 3 has just been released.
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[Ant]

Right, but was there an app installer of v10.11.6 from Apple's App
Store? I could not get that version even after deleting the older
installer app.
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[David Empson]

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> On 2/24/2017 6:54 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> > On 2017-02-25 02:30:31 +0000, Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> said:
> >
> >> I downloaded the purchased El Capitan, installed it from a bootable
> >> USB 64 GB flash drive, saw v10.11.5, and then got all updates.
> >> However, it ended up with v10.11.6 at the end. Am I missing something?
> >> If not, then I thought Apple always have the newest version's
> >> installer in its App Store.
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance. :)
> >
> > OSX 10.11.6 is, other than security updates, the final release of "El
> > Capitan". The next step up is to MacOS Sierra, or 10.12, currently at
> > 10.12.3.
> > 10.12.4 Beta 3 has just been released.
>
> Right, but was there an app installer of v10.11.6 from Apple's App
> Store?

Yes, that's the one I downloaded in July 2016. The version number of my
copy of "Install OS X El Capitan.app" is 1.7.50, and it installs OS X
10.11.6 when run.

> I could not get that version even after deleting the older
> installer app.

Did you really delete all copies of the older El Capitan installer? App
Store is rather clever about finding copies on ANY mounted drive
(excluding Time Machine backups), and updating one of them when you
download a new copy of the same OS X installer.

Installers for other major OS X versions (e.g. Mavericks, Yosemite or
Sierra) are independent, so they won't affect what gets downloaded for
El Capitan.

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[Lewis]

In message <3MKdnX-qxIiicS3F...@earthlink.com> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> I downloaded the purchased El Capitan, installed it from a bootable USB
> 64 GB flash drive, saw v10.11.5, and then got all updates. However, it
> ended up with v10.11.6 at the end. Am I missing something? If not, then
> I thought Apple always have the newest version's installer in its App Store.

Nope. They USUALLY get around to updating the image, but not always.

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[Ant]

On 2/24/2017 9:44 PM, David Empson wrote:
> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>
>> On 2/24/2017 6:54 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>> On 2017-02-25 02:30:31 +0000, Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> said:
>>>
>>>> I downloaded the purchased El Capitan, installed it from a bootable
>>>> USB 64 GB flash drive, saw v10.11.5, and then got all updates.
>>>> However, it ended up with v10.11.6 at the end. Am I missing something?
>>>> If not, then I thought Apple always have the newest version's
>>>> installer in its App Store.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you in advance. :)
>>>
>>> OSX 10.11.6 is, other than security updates, the final release of "El
>>> Capitan". The next step up is to MacOS Sierra, or 10.12, currently at
>>> 10.12.3.
>>> 10.12.4 Beta 3 has just been released.
>>
>> Right, but was there an app installer of v10.11.6 from Apple's App
>> Store?
>
> Yes, that's the one I downloaded in July 2016. The version number of my
> copy of "Install OS X El Capitan.app" is 1.7.50, and it installs OS X
> 10.11.6 when run.

Hmm!

>> I could not get that version even after deleting the older
>> installer app.
>
> Did you really delete all copies of the older El Capitan installer? App
> Store is rather clever about finding copies on ANY mounted drive
> (excluding Time Machine backups), and updating one of them when you
> download a new copy of the same OS X installer.

Hmm!! I did see App Store DOWNLOAD 6.2 GB so I assume it was the newest
version.
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[Ant]

On 2/24/2017 11:10 PM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <3MKdnX-qxIiicS3F...@earthlink.com> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>> I downloaded the purchased El Capitan, installed it from a bootable USB
>> 64 GB flash drive, saw v10.11.5, and then got all updates. However, it
>> ended up with v10.11.6 at the end. Am I missing something? If not, then
>> I thought Apple always have the newest version's installer in its App Store.
>
> Nope. They USUALLY get around to updating the image, but not always.

So, App Store didn't do it for v10.11.6? :( David Empson said his
downloaded installer was v10.11.6. :/
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[David Empson]

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> On 2/24/2017 9:44 PM, David Empson wrote:
> > Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/24/2017 6:54 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> >>> On 2017-02-25 02:30:31 +0000, Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> said:
> >>>
> >>>> I downloaded the purchased El Capitan, installed it from a bootable
> >>>> USB 64 GB flash drive, saw v10.11.5, and then got all updates.
> >>>> However, it ended up with v10.11.6 at the end. Am I missing something?
> >>>> If not, then I thought Apple always have the newest version's
> >>>> installer in its App Store.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you in advance. :)
> >>>
> >>> OSX 10.11.6 is, other than security updates, the final release of "El
> >>> Capitan". The next step up is to MacOS Sierra, or 10.12, currently at
> >>> 10.12.3.
> >>> 10.12.4 Beta 3 has just been released.
> >>
> >> Right, but was there an app installer of v10.11.6 from Apple's App
> >> Store?
> >
> > Yes, that's the one I downloaded in July 2016. The version number of my
> > copy of "Install OS X El Capitan.app" is 1.7.50, and it installs OS X
> > 10.11.6 when run.
>
> Hmm!

So what version is your installer application you used to create a
bootable installer?

I happen to have kept archive copies of all the installers, most of
which I downloaded within a day or two of Apple releasing each minor
version. Assuming Apple didn't do a quiet update subsequently, here they
are:

Installer OS X Version

1.7.28 10.11.0
1.7.33 10.11.1
1.7.37 10.11.2
1.7.41 10.11.3
1.7.44 10.11.4
1.7.46 10.11.5
1.7.50 10.11.6

(Again, to find the installer version, use Finder's Get Info on the
"Install OS X El Capitan" app. Finding the version it will install
without going ahead with an install is easiest if you use Pacifist to
examine the installer packages, but it can also be found if you dig
inside the application via Show Package Contents: mount
Contents/SharedSupport/InstallESD.dmg. Inside that is a hidden file
BaseSystem.dmg: mount that, then look at its
System/Library/CoreServices/SystemVersion.plist.)


I just downloaded a fresh copy of the El Capitan installer from App
Store (on another Mac, which definitely has no El Capitan installer on
any of its drives), and I got version 1.7.50, which installs OS X
10.11.6.

Therefore a current download of El Capitan from App Store is indeed the
installer for OS X 10.11.6.

If your bootable installer installed 10.11.5 (or earlier), you must have
done something wrong.

> >> I could not get that version even after deleting the older
> >> installer app.
> >
> > Did you really delete all copies of the older El Capitan installer? App
> > Store is rather clever about finding copies on ANY mounted drive
> > (excluding Time Machine backups), and updating one of them when you
> > download a new copy of the same OS X installer.
>
> Hmm!! I did see App Store DOWNLOAD 6.2 GB so I assume it was the newest
> version.

It would have downloaded the latest version. Installers for older minor
versions El Capitan are not available.

As I said, a possible explanation is that App Store might not have
downloaded it in the location you expected, because you already had
another copy of the El Capitan installer somewhere else, which it
replaced.

If you then also had yet another copy of the El Capitan installer, you
might have used an older one to create your bootable installer, not
realising that a different copy of the installer had been updated by the
download.

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[Ant]

Hm! Is the v10.11.5 app file supposed to be v1.7.50 when using Finder's
Get Info?
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[David Empson]

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> On 2/25/2017 2:49 AM, David Empson wrote:
> >

[...]

> > Installer OS X Version
> >
[...]
> > 1.7.46 10.11.5
> > 1.7.50 10.11.6
> >

[...]

> > I just downloaded a fresh copy of the El Capitan installer from App
> > Store (on another Mac, which definitely has no El Capitan installer on
> > any of its drives), and I got version 1.7.50, which installs OS X
> > 10.11.6.
> >
> > Therefore a current download of El Capitan from App Store is indeed the
> > installer for OS X 10.11.6.

[...]

> Hm! Is the v10.11.5 app file supposed to be v1.7.50 when using Finder's
> Get Info?

No, as I said, if the installer application version is 1.7.50, then it
will install 10.11.6 (either if run directly, or if used to create a
bootable installer, which I have done from mine).

I gave instructions in my previous post for how to confirm which version
of OS X is inside the installer. (Incidentally, this got easier for
Sierra because Apple added a Contents/SharedSupport/InstallInfo.plist
file which contains the macOS version number.)

There must be another reason why you ended up with a 10.11.5 bootable
installer, such as my suggestion that you actually have more than one
copy of the El Capitan installer, and used the wrong one to create your
installer.

Where is your installer version 1.7.50 located? Is it in the
Applications folder on your startup volume, or somewhere else?

Did you use the createinstallmedia command as documented by Apple, or
some other method?

https://support.apple.com/HT201372

Note that those instructions assume your installer is in /Applications
and has not been renamed. If it is somewhere else you need to modify the
example, using the actual path to your installer application both at the
start of the command, and in the --applicationpath parameter.

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[Ant]

I figured out what happened. I never updated 2012's MBP's El Capitan
installer app copy. I accidently use its installer file to update a few
days ago. Argh. :( Mystery solved! :)
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[Lewis]

In message <uYidnY9SSokx2izF...@earthlink.com> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> On 2/24/2017 11:10 PM, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <3MKdnX-qxIiicS3F...@earthlink.com> Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>> I downloaded the purchased El Capitan, installed it from a bootable USB
>>> 64 GB flash drive, saw v10.11.5, and then got all updates. However, it
>>> ended up with v10.11.6 at the end. Am I missing something? If not, then
>>> I thought Apple always have the newest version's installer in its App Store.
>>
>> Nope. They USUALLY get around to updating the image, but not always.

> So, App Store didn't do it for v10.11.6?

I didn't say that.

> :( David Empson said his downloaded installer was v10.11.6. :/

I think we've long ago established the basic rule for these newsgroups:
"David is right."

I certainly recall downloading an OS X installer from the MAS and not
getting the latest version, but my feeling is that was 10.7.x or 10.8.x
and it might have been too close to the update.

Unlike David I do not keep all the old installers, only the $LATEST for
each version (so I have 10.7, 10.8, 10.9, 10.11, 10.11, and as soon as
10.12.4 comes out I'll grab the installer for that).

I am probably going to dump 10.8 through 10.10 since there is no reason
to run those versions and no hardware that maxes out at those. If it can
run 10.8, it can run 10.11.

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[android]

In article <3MKdnX-qxIiicS3F...@earthlink.com>,

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> I downloaded the purchased El Capitan, installed it from a bootable USB
> 64 GB flash drive, saw v10.11.5, and then got all updates. However, it
> ended up with v10.11.6 at the end. Am I missing something? If not, then
> I thought Apple always have the newest version's installer in its App Store.
>
> Thank you in advance. :)

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[David Empson]

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <uYidnY9SSokx2izF...@earthlink.com> Ant
> <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> > On 2/24/2017 11:10 PM, Lewis wrote:
> > :( David Empson said his downloaded installer was v10.11.6. :/
>
> I think we've long ago established the basic rule for these newsgroups:
> "David is right."

Heh.

> I certainly recall downloading an OS X installer from the MAS and not
> getting the latest version, but my feeling is that was 10.7.x or 10.8.x
> and it might have been too close to the update.

I vaguely recall something around that era - I think the full installer
for one minor version was released at least a day later than the other
updates.

Something similar happened with 10.12.1: the App Store update arrived
first, then a few days later, Apple released the delta update and full
installer (coinciding with the release of the Late 2016 MacBook Pro,
which had the same software build as the delayed releases).

> Unlike David I do not keep all the old installers, only the $LATEST for
> each version (so I have 10.7, 10.8, 10.9, 10.11, 10.11, and as soon as
> 10.12.4 comes out I'll grab the installer for that).

It turns out I didn't keep copies of all the full installers: I have
gaps in intermediate versions for 10.7.x, 10.8.x and 10.9.x, probably
because I never downloaded them due to not needing them at the time.
Back then, my Internet connection was slower and had a data cap, so not
keen to do multi-gigabyte downloads for no particular reason. I do have
all of the .0 installers and the latest minor versions, and all the
minor versions for 10.10 and later.

I keep the older minor versions on my Drobo, on the off chance I might
need to refer to them again for some reason (as in this case, to check
version numbers).

If I had some obscure software testing reason where I needed an interim
minor version of an OS, I could get away with keeping just the original
release (e.g. 10.12.0) and the latest version, since combo updates will
bring the original up to any intervening version.

I also keep the installers for latest minor version of each OS handy so
I have them available when away from home.

I had a use for an older installer (10.12.0) recently: I was trying to
track down an obscure bug that Apple introduced in 10.12.1, which varied
depending on the installation method: full install or delta update
exhibited the problem, but updating via App Store or App Store then
delta update did not, even though the system build number ended up the
same in three of those cases. By the time I'd tried various combinations
to narrow down the pattern, I found that Apple had already fixed the
problem in a 10.2.2 beta, before I had a chance to file a bug report.
The fix was confirmed once 10.2.2 was released and I had time to try the
problem combinations again using the 10.2.2 full installer, delta and
combo updates. There are a lot of partitions and OS installations on
that computer, which I can probably delete now. :-)

> I am probably going to dump 10.8 through 10.10 since there is no reason
> to run those versions and no hardware that maxes out at those. If it can
> run 10.8, it can run 10.11.

I'm still supporting people who are not willing to upgrade from 10.8
through 10.10 due to worries about software compatiblity or user
interface changes, so I'm not quite ready to get rid of those ones yet.
I'm encouraging them to at least do a trial upgrade to see how it goes.

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[David Empson]

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> I figured out what happened. I never updated 2012's MBP's El Capitan
> installer app copy. I accidently use its installer file to update a few
> days ago. Argh. :( Mystery solved! :)

Ah, good. No mystery download in a funny place after all. Glad you have
worked it out.

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[Happy.Hobo]

On 2/26/17 12:50 AM, David Empson wrote:
> It turns out I didn't keep copies of all the full installers: I have
> gaps in intermediate versions for 10.7.x, 10.8.x and 10.9.x, probably
> because I never downloaded them due to not needing them at the time.

I have built a USB installer for every major version and occasionally
updated one of them. I've never used one for my own hardware, but twice
have used one to rescue someone else.