Deleting specific files in Mac OS X 10.5.8's Trash?

[Ant]

Hello.

In Windows and Linux/Debian's Gnome v2.30.2, I can highlight specific
file(s) to delete from its recycle bin. Can I do the same in Mac OS X
10.5.8's trash? It seems like I have to empty everything or restore the
one(s) to keep first before emptying it.

Thank you in advance. :)
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[Alan Browne]

On 2012-04-15 14:24 , Ant wrote:
> Hello.
>
> In Windows and Linux/Debian's Gnome v2.30.2, I can highlight specific
> file(s) to delete from its recycle bin. Can I do the same in Mac OS X
> 10.5.8's trash? It seems like I have to empty everything or restore the
> one(s) to keep first before emptying it.

There is a "shredder" widget you can install - shred under the dashboard.

Drag the ones you want to delete from the trash to the shredder widget.
Those will get wiped (takes a few seconds for large files/many seconds
for really large files), the rest will be left alone. The shredder can
be set to simple 1 pass, 7 pass and 35 pass (Guttman)[1]. (I use the 1
pass option). The more passes, the more time - of course.

http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/business/shredder.html

[1] Note that heavy wiping is not really needed on today's high density
disks (say 250 GB and up). The 'bit' locations are so narrow now that a
single pass is more than adequate for the paranoid and 7 pass is more
than adequate for paranoids who really have something to hide.

But, regarding the recycle bin, either stuff is there to be deleted or
not. It is not a parking spot for stuff you're not sure about. If
you're not sure you want to delete something yet, park it in a separate
folder.

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[Jolly Roger]

In article <qZKdnVKWJ8L6jxbS...@earthlink.com>,

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> Hello.
>
> In Windows and Linux/Debian's Gnome v2.30.2, I can highlight specific
> file(s) to delete from its recycle bin. Can I do the same in Mac OS X
> 10.5.8's trash? It seems like I have to empty everything or restore the
> one(s) to keep first before emptying it.
>
> Thank you in advance. :)

It sounds like you are using the trash as storage. That's generally a
bad idea. If there are items in the trash you want to keep, take them
out of the trash.

That said, if you really want to delete a single item in the trash, you
can do so on the command line with something like:

rm ~/.Trash/item_name_here

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[Király]

In comp.sys.mac.apps Ant <a...@zimage.comant> wrote:
> In Windows and Linux/Debian's Gnome v2.30.2, I can highlight specific
> file(s) to delete from its recycle bin. Can I do the same in Mac OS X
> 10.5.8's trash? It seems like I have to empty everything or restore the
> one(s) to keep first before emptying it.

Any predictions on how many posts this thread will have by the time it
fizzles out? I'm getting 135.

To empty specific items from the trash:

1) Locate all files in the trash that you don't want deleted, and move

them out of the trash.

2) Empty the trash.

3) Don't put files you want to keep in the trash. Only put them in there
when you're sure you don't want them anymore. Create a "purgatory"
folder to stash files that you think you might not want anymore but
can't bring yourself to delete just yet.

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Lang may your lum reek.

[dorayme]

In article <jmfa6b$u2k$1...@dont-email.me>,

That's a sensitive reply, K! Ever considered a career in counselling?

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[dorayme]

In article <rKKdnbQWp7N5gRbS...@giganews.com>,

Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> But, regarding the recycle bin, either stuff is there to be deleted or
> not. It is not a parking spot for stuff you're not sure about. If
> you're not sure you want to delete something yet, park it in a separate
> folder.

You can even call this separate folder "Recycle Bin" and have whatever
icon you want.

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[Alan Browne]

Király's name for it is better.

[dorayme]

In article <C56dnfe3hdpK_RbS...@giganews.com>,

Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012-04-15 18:44 , dorayme wrote:
> > In article<rKKdnbQWp7N5gRbS...@giganews.com>,
> > Alan Browne<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> But, regarding the recycle bin, either stuff is there to be deleted or
> >> not. It is not a parking spot for stuff you're not sure about. If
> >> you're not sure you want to delete something yet, park it in a separate
> >> folder.
> >
> > You can even call this separate folder "Recycle Bin" and have whatever
> > icon you want.
>
> Király's name for it is better.

I guess. To tell the truth, I have never quite understand why Win
calls it recycling, this implying just one function, namely bringing
it back. The Mac "Trash" is better! Purgatory stresses the limbo
nature. Perhaps "Limboland" would catch the two potentialities better.

As I understand it, Purgatory is a staging post with two
possibilities, both out of this world postings. But material in the
Win "recyle bin", as in the Mac Trash, has in and out of this world
destinations, back in circulation on the Mac or gone like grandma.

btw, Alan, I think you can simply have a folder on the desktop, icon
it if you like, and actually call it "Trash" and it not clash with the
real Mac Trash. And I think I did this once. The neat thing about the
real Mac trash is its built in connections with context menus and
right clicks and key combos. But one could make a key combo command to
dump material into a purgatory or user made trash or limboland folder

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[Király]

In comp.sys.mac.system dorayme <dor...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> As I understand it, Purgatory is a staging post with two
>possibilities, both out of this world postings.

People who like to store stuff in the trash really do want it gone,
just not yet. 99.9% of it will be deleted eventually after it has spent
enough time in the trash for the user's liking.

As for purgatory, I'm not an expert; but as I understand it, 99.9% of
people who find themselves in purgatory will end up in the bad place.
Just not today, or next week. But eventually. Just like trash storage.

[dorayme]

In article <jmg6p0$8o7$1...@dont-email.me>,

m...@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) wrote:

> In comp.sys.mac.system dorayme <dor...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > As I understand it, Purgatory is a staging post with two
> >possibilities, both out of this world postings.
>

>

> As for purgatory, I'm not an expert; but as I understand it, 99.9% of
> people who find themselves in purgatory will end up in the bad place.

Excuse me? Look, I was in purgatory, I know. Very few people end up in
any bad place. The Gatekeeper is pathetically weak, easily fooled,
always going on about lurv and milk and kindness and fellow beings and
all that soppy goody goody stuff. The lodgers - all but me, see,
because I have integrity, see - made like they were meek and mild and
repentant and soooooorrrryyyy for soooo many daaaamn bloooooody
thiiiiings! So, most of these utter hypocrites managed to actually get
to heaven. I mean, for God's sake!

But not me. I really hated the idea. I told them, look, I don't want
to be with all those goofy goody goodies like Mother Theresa and I
certainly don't want to be with those utter flakes and fakes who
wangled themselves in. Send me to some proper evil place where the
folk wear their wicked hearts on their sleeves, where I can be among
my own kind, see?

However, after some enquiries, it turns out that various *false*
rumours about me had reached Hell and they were refusing me entry even
there. Can you believe that? Even there I am misunderstood and lied
about? Some of my enemies had very carefully lied to say I had some
good points and that was enough to bar me entry. Bastards and bitches!

So guess what? They needed to make room so they sent me to here on
earth, where there are all kinds and where it is difficult for a truly
evil thing like me to be among my own kind. I hate it here and suffer
badly.

> Just not today, or next week. But eventually. Just like trash storage.

I think you have your stats about purgatory wrong, Király.

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[David Ryeburn]

In article <jmfa6b$u2k$1...@dont-email.me>, m...@home.spamsucks.ca (Király)
wrote:

> 3) Don't put files you want to keep in the trash. Only put them in there
> when you're sure you don't want them anymore. Create a "purgatory"
> folder to stash files that you think you might not want anymore but
> can't bring yourself to delete just yet.

I did this back in the days of System 6.0.8. The hot-rodded Mac SE I
used at SFU had a desktop folder I added, called "PreTrash". People
would come into my office, see the PreTrash folder (only thing on the
desktop other than the hard disk icon and the garbage bin) and ask "What
the hell is that?". Not quite purgatory.

David

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[Jamie Kahn Genet]

Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> Hello.
>
> In Windows and Linux/Debian's Gnome v2.30.2, I can highlight specific
> file(s) to delete from its recycle bin. Can I do the same in Mac OS X
> 10.5.8's trash? It seems like I have to empty everything or restore the
> one(s) to keep first before emptying it.
>
> Thank you in advance. :)

If you're having this problem you're not using the trash as intended.
It's not a place to keep files you're unsure you want. It's a place to
put files you ARE sure you don't want any more. Having deleting a file
being a two step process at least - moving to trash, then emptying
trash, and possibly confirming emptying of trash too - is to give users
a chance to recover a file mistakenly moved to the trash. It isn't to
allow the trash to be used as a holding area.
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[Király]

In comp.sys.mac.system dorayme <dor...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> I think you have your stats about purgatory wrong, Király.

Like I said, I'm not an expert.

What a great thread! Only 122 posts to go...

[Paul Sture]

The original idea of Trash was to mirror the function of a trash bin in
your office. This would get emptied at the end of the day when you had
gone home, but at any point before then you could retrieve selected items
from the bin if you decided you needed them again.

That's how the analogy was explained to me.

It was always somehow lacking for me, as it didn't replace the sporting
opportunities of a real trash bin. In the punch card era I became very
proficient at hitting the bin with a discarded card from any point in the
computer room. A bin was best placed in a corner so that you had chance
to bounce the card or screwed up ball of paper from one of the walls.

:-)

--
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[dorayme]

In article
<david_ryeburn-5D0...@news.eternal-september.org>,

David Ryeburn <david_...@telus.netz> wrote:

> The hot-rodded Mac SE I
> used at SFU had a desktop folder I added, called "PreTrash". People
> would come into my office, see the PreTrash folder (only thing on the
> desktop other than the hard disk icon and the garbage bin) and ask "What
> the hell is that?". Not quite purgatory.

Yes, I did this once too, as I mentioned, I am now wondering if it was
on my SE or SE30?

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dorayme

[Paul Sture]

On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:53:19 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

> In article <d68t59-...@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <pa...@sture.ch>

> wrote:
>
>> It was always somehow lacking for me, as it didn't replace the sporting
>> opportunities of a real trash bin. In the punch card era I became very
>> proficient at hitting the bin with a discarded card from any point in
>> the computer room. A bin was best placed in a corner so that you had
>> chance to bounce the card or screwed up ball of paper from one of the
>> walls.
>

> Uh, huh. I see. You'd like to be able to pick up a file with the mouse,
> and launch it across the desktop to bounce off the side of the screen
> and into the WasteBasket, eh? Want gravity with that too?

I saw a video of someone programming something quite similar on a Mac
recently. IIRC the language used was LUA, with some appropriate gaming
libraries.



--
Paul Sture

[Thomas R. Kettler]

In article <C56dnfe3hdpK_RbS...@giganews.com>,

Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012-04-15 18:44 , dorayme wrote:
> > In article<rKKdnbQWp7N5gRbS...@giganews.com>,
> > Alan Browne<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> But, regarding the recycle bin, either stuff is there to be deleted or
> >> not. It is not a parking spot for stuff you're not sure about. If
> >> you're not sure you want to delete something yet, park it in a separate
> >> folder.
> >
> > You can even call this separate folder "Recycle Bin" and have whatever
> > icon you want.
>
> Király's name for it is better.

I remember two variants on the Trash Can in System 6 days:

1) Someone replaced the Trash icon with a Gates of Hell and when you put
something in it, it had another icon with the gates opened.

2) Another person had Oscar the Grouch pop up and sing "I Love Trash!"
when you'd Empty the Trash.
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[Sara]

In article <tkettler-2253F6...@news.eternal-september.org>,

"Thomas R. Kettler" <tket...@blownfuse.net> wrote:

>
> 2) Another person had Oscar the Grouch pop up and sing "I Love Trash!"
> when you'd Empty the Trash.

Oh! I used to have that! I'd forgotten all about it :-)

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Cats cats cats cats

[Matt Simpson]

In article <qZKdnVKWJ8L6jxbS...@earthlink.com>,
Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> In Windows and Linux/Debian's Gnome v2.30.2, I can highlight specific
> file(s) to delete from its recycle bin. Can I do the same in Mac OS X
> 10.5.8's trash? It seems like I have to empty everything or restore the
> one(s) to keep first before emptying it.

Not really an answer to your question, but a possible alternative:

TrashTimer

http://www.hieper.nl/html/trashtimer.html

automatically deletes items in the trash older than a specific age. So
you can just throw stuff in the trash and never worry about emptying it.
Eventually stuff goes away, but more recent stuff is still available.

[Paul Sture]

And I've dug that video out of my history:

"Seb Lee-Delisle: From Zero to Angry Birds in 30 minutes", where he
starts from scratch and gets something working in front of a live
audience. One interesting thing about the software tool used is that it
has a physics engine so you can give objects "physical" properties.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=LBnBml2KFFk&list=PL4850B9F46ADEFBE2&index=9&feature=plpp_video>

~38 minutes long.

--
Paul Sture

[JF Mezei]

Matt Simpson wrote:

> TrashTimer
>
> http://www.hieper.nl/html/trashtimer.html
>
> automatically deletes items in the trash older than a specific age.

Oh Man, ! I love you ! This is exactly the type of functionlity I
wished Apple had on OS-X.

Thanks to you, my Mac now has it !!!!

[nospam]

In article <timstreater-7F3B...@news.individual.net>, Tim

Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

> > It was always somehow lacking for me, as it didn't replace the sporting
> > opportunities of a real trash bin. In the punch card era I became very
> > proficient at hitting the bin with a discarded card from any point in the
> > computer room. A bin was best placed in a corner so that you had chance
> > to bounce the card or screwed up ball of paper from one of the walls.
>

> Uh, huh. I see. You'd like to be able to pick up a file with the mouse,
> and launch it across the desktop to bounce off the side of the screen
> and into the WasteBasket, eh? Want gravity with that too?

i guess you never saw motion finder.

[dorayme]

In article <ocdt59-...@news.sture.ch>,

Paul Sture <pa...@sture.ch> wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:53:19 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:
>
> > In article <d68t59-...@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <pa...@sture.ch>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> It was always somehow lacking for me, as it didn't replace the sporting
> >> opportunities of a real trash bin. In the punch card era I became very
> >> proficient at hitting the bin with a discarded card from any point in
> >> the computer room. A bin was best placed in a corner so that you had
> >> chance to bounce the card or screwed up ball of paper from one of the
> >> walls.
> >
> > Uh, huh. I see. You'd like to be able to pick up a file with the mouse,
> > and launch it across the desktop to bounce off the side of the screen

Like in Brickles - remember Brickles? Great game!

> > and into the WasteBasket, eh?
> > Want gravity with that too?
>



> I saw a video of someone programming something quite similar on a Mac
> recently. IIRC the language used was LUA, with some appropriate gaming
> libraries.

--

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[Alan Browne]

The only thing I don't like there is that I can't designate files for
ordinary delete and others for secure wipe. Most files I delete are
just "deleted". But transactional data (financial, proposal, marketing)
I wipe securely using a dashboard shredder widget. Secure wiping takes
a long time on really large files and usually the ones I wipe are
relatively small.

[Alan Browne]

On 2012-04-16 14:27 , JF Mezei wrote:
> Matt Simpson wrote:
>
>> TrashTimer
>>
>> http://www.hieper.nl/html/trashtimer.html
>>
>> automatically deletes items in the trash older than a specific age.
>
> Oh Man, ! I love you ! This is exactly the type of functionlity I
> wished Apple had on OS-X.

Odd that Apple mail does have it and Finder does not.

[Alan Browne]

On 2012-04-16 11:31 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article<d68t59-...@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture<pa...@sture.ch>
> wrote:
>

>> The original idea of Trash was to mirror the function of a trash bin in
>> your office. This would get emptied at the end of the day when you had
>> gone home, but at any point before then you could retrieve selected
>> items from the bin if you decided you needed them again.
>>
>> That's how the analogy was explained to me.
>

> Poor analogy. In the original Macintosh System, before multitasking, the
> trash was emptied any time you launched an application or shut off the

Depends when the analogy was given to him.

[Jamie Kahn Genet]

Thomas R. Kettler <tket...@blownfuse.net> wrote:

I had an extension back in System 6 that did the latter! :-) I was sad I
could never find a version for MacOS 8.5/8.6 which I used later on when
I bought my first Mac with my own money.

[Jamie Kahn Genet]

Paul Sture <pa...@sture.ch> wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:50:13 +1200, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
>
> > Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello.
> >>
> >> In Windows and Linux/Debian's Gnome v2.30.2, I can highlight specific
> >> file(s) to delete from its recycle bin. Can I do the same in Mac OS X
> >> 10.5.8's trash? It seems like I have to empty everything or restore the
> >> one(s) to keep first before emptying it.
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance. :)
> >
> > If you're having this problem you're not using the trash as intended.
> > It's not a place to keep files you're unsure you want. It's a place to
> > put files you ARE sure you don't want any more. Having deleting a file
> > being a two step process at least - moving to trash, then emptying
> > trash, and possibly confirming emptying of trash too - is to give users
> > a chance to recover a file mistakenly moved to the trash. It isn't to
> > allow the trash to be used as a holding area.
>
> The original idea of Trash was to mirror the function of a trash bin in
> your office. This would get emptied at the end of the day when you had
> gone home, but at any point before then you could retrieve selected items
> from the bin if you decided you needed them again.
>
> That's how the analogy was explained to me.

Likewise, though without the time limit. However you never wanted to
count on keeping anything you trashed, was what I was taught. So same
idea :-)

> It was always somehow lacking for me, as it didn't replace the sporting
> opportunities of a real trash bin. In the punch card era I became very
> proficient at hitting the bin with a discarded card from any point in the
> computer room. A bin was best placed in a corner so that you had chance
> to bounce the card or screwed up ball of paper from one of the walls.
>
> :-)

Heh, I used to find it helped relieve stress to shred and mangle hard
copy work that just wasn't working out. The digital equivalent simply
isn't satisfying enough. Apple needs to add more violent graphics and
animations to trashing.

[Jamie Kahn Genet]

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <d68t59-...@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <pa...@sture.ch>
> wrote:
>

> > The original idea of Trash was to mirror the function of a trash bin in
> > your office. This would get emptied at the end of the day when you had
> > gone home, but at any point before then you could retrieve selected
> > items from the bin if you decided you needed them again.
> >
> > That's how the analogy was explained to me.
>

> Poor analogy. In the original Macintosh System, before multitasking, the
> trash was emptied any time you launched an application or shut off the

> computer. Of course, you could empty it upon command as you can still do
> now.

Hey, I'd forgotten that :-) Was that back in System 6 and earlier? By
what version was the trash saved?

[nospam]

In article <michelle-01F06C...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > Poor analogy. In the original Macintosh System, before multitasking,
> > > the trash was emptied any time you launched an application or shut off
> > > the computer. Of course, you could empty it upon command as you can
> > > still do now.
> >
> > Hey, I'd forgotten that :-) Was that back in System 6 and earlier? By
> > what version was the trash saved?
>

> According to WikiPedia, it was System 7.

because multifinder was running.

> However, I believe that with MultiFinder in Systems 5 and 6, it also didn't
> empty when switching to another application, although it would empty if the
> Finder were quit or the computer shut down.

my recollection is that was the case, and if you didn't enable
multifinder, the trash was emptied on app launch.

i also vaguely remember trash being emptied on floppy ejects because it
would be confusing to insert a floppy that had stuff in the trash can.

> Also with System 7 and earlier, emptying the trash blocked any other use of
> the Finder until the emptying had finished. Mac OS 8 had multithreading,
> which allowed other Finder operations while the trash was being emptied.

oh yea.. and file copies too.

[nospam]

In article <michelle-619250...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> > > > Hey, I'd forgotten that :-) Was that back in System 6 and earlier?
> > > > By what version was the trash saved?
> > >
> > > According to WikiPedia, it was System 7.
> >
> > because multifinder was running.
>

> No, because even if you turned off the computer, the trash wouldn't empty.

you're taking that too literally.

in system 6, the user had the choice to user or not use multifinder. in
system 7, multifinder was no longer a choice, thus 'always running.'

change that to 'always enabled' to make it more clear.

[Helpful Harry]

In article <1kioxcr.1oazxagc9aackN%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz>,

I've probably still got a copy of the Oscar extension on a floppy disk.
Unfortunately my PowerMac's floppy drive no longer works (it may only need
a clean and realignment, but I've actually taken it out and used the drive
bay for a second hard drive).

You can of course still change the Trash icons to have the "Gates of Hell"
in Mac OS X though. There's numerous icon sets around to replace the Trash
empty and full icons with various things.

Another thing I've sometimes done for people (in both Mac OS "Classic"
versions and Mac OS X) is use the squeaky "Oh No!" from the Lemmings games
as the error beep sound.

Helpful Harry :o)

[nospam]

In article <michelle-970F65...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> You are misunderstanding me. In System 6 and earlier, if you turned off
> the computer, the trash would be emptied. In System 7 and later, it would
> not be emptied. That had nothing to do with Multifinder; it was a redesign
> of the trash.

ok, i thought you were talking about when it was emptied on app launch.

[JF Mezei]

Michelle Steiner wrote:
>That had nothing to do with Multifinder; it was a redesign
> of the trash.

I do not believe that Apple had hired Jonathan Ive yet. So Apple
couldn't have created a "designer trash" yet :-)

With Ive on board, you can expect a sleek looking trash can, made of
brushed aluminium, and of course with a lighted Apple logo on it (lights
up whenever you throw something into the can, with a Siri voice thanking
you for using iTrash :-)

[Paul Sture]

On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:31:14 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> In article <d68t59-...@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <pa...@sture.ch>
> wrote:
>
>> The original idea of Trash was to mirror the function of a trash bin in
>> your office. This would get emptied at the end of the day when you had
>> gone home, but at any point before then you could retrieve selected
>> items from the bin if you decided you needed them again.
>>
>> That's how the analogy was explained to me.
>

> Poor analogy. In the original Macintosh System, before multitasking,
> the trash was emptied any time you launched an application or shut off
> the computer. Of course, you could empty it upon command as you can
> still do now.

Like I said, that was how it was explained to me by someone who had
played with a Lisa. I didn't get my hands on an Apple system until many
years later.



--
Paul Sture

[Jim Janney]

dorayme <dor...@optusnet.com.au> writes:

> In article <C56dnfe3hdpK_RbS...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2012-04-15 18:44 , dorayme wrote:
>> > In article<rKKdnbQWp7N5gRbS...@giganews.com>,
>> > Alan Browne<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> >> But, regarding the recycle bin, either stuff is there to be deleted or
>> >> not. It is not a parking spot for stuff you're not sure about. If
>> >> you're not sure you want to delete something yet, park it in a separate
>> >> folder.
>> >
>> > You can even call this separate folder "Recycle Bin" and have whatever
>> > icon you want.
>>
>> Király's name for it is better.
>

> I guess. To tell the truth, I have never quite understand why Win
> calls it recycling, this implying just one function, namely bringing
> it back. The Mac "Trash" is better!

Legal reasons mostly: see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation

Although you can make an argument for calling it recycling, since the
freed disk space becomes available for reuse.

--
Jim Janney

[dorayme]

In article <2py5pt1...@shell.xmission.com>,

Jim Janney <jja...@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

> dorayme <dor...@optusnet.com.au> writes:
>
> > In article <C56dnfe3hdpK_RbS...@giganews.com>,
> > Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2012-04-15 18:44 , dorayme wrote:
> >> > In article<rKKdnbQWp7N5gRbS...@giganews.com>,
> >> > Alan Browne<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> But, regarding the recycle bin, either stuff is there to be deleted or
> >> >> not. It is not a parking spot for stuff you're not sure about. If
> >> >> you're not sure you want to delete something yet, park it in a separate
> >> >> folder.
> >> >
> >> > You can even call this separate folder "Recycle Bin" and have whatever
> >> > icon you want.
> >>
> >> Király's name for it is better.
> >
> > I guess. To tell the truth, I have never quite understand why Win
> > calls it recycling, this implying just one function, namely bringing
> > it back. The Mac "Trash" is better!
>
> Legal reasons mostly:

You mean legal reasons for the Mac name. I would be disappointed if
this was "mostly". Trash is so perfectly good.

I now and then rummage in my waste paper basket to fish things out but
I throw stuff in because I sincerely believe at the time that I never
want them again.

I had a small disaster of years back: I had a high qualitymatt cutter
for pictures and it disappeared one day. It was kept on a shelf just
above a waste bin. It must have fallen in and been thrown out. I never
got over this trauma and in honour of it (the cutter, *not* the
trauma, I am not *that* mad!), I now frame pictures by ripping the
rectangles out of the matts with my bare hands. You know how you have
"rounded rectangles"? Well, goddamit, mine are more "monster rects".
They have a certain style that I have come to like. It has even
changed the sort of photography I do. I take a lot of pictures now of
honorary men and they look good in my frames.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation
>
> Although you can make an argument for calling it recycling, since the
> freed disk space becomes available for reuse.

Ah, that is the first thought that anyone has ever said that makes a
some sense, thanks! It never occurred to me. It is rich in geek,
certainly not the language for mum and dad user interface talk. Trash
is good and the reason I think it *should* mostly be used.

--
dorayme

[Király]

In comp.sys.mac.apps dorayme <dor...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> You mean legal reasons for the Mac name. I would be disappointed if
> this was "mostly". Trash is so perfectly good.
>
> I now and then rummage in my waste paper basket to fish things out but
> I throw stuff in because I sincerely believe at the time that I never
> want them again.

Which is fine. Putting things in your waste paper basked that you want
to keep, OTOH, is a bad idea, as is using the Mac Trash to store files
you want to keep.

I remember a monster thread somewhere started by someone upset that
Finder would not allow him to make a folder in the Trash. He wanted to
organize his Trash into subfolders so that he can easily find stuff in
there that he wants back. Bad idea.

--
K.

Lang may your lum reek.