Re: FTPS-capable upload clients anyone?

[sbt]

In article <dennism3-2B1985...@free.teranews.com>, Dennis M
<denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote:

> The host of my flagship website is Yahoo! Small Business, and they've
> informed me beginning Feb. 19 they're dropping support for regular FTP
> file uploading and switching to FTPS (FTP with TLS/SSL) over security
> concerns.
>
> I've always used Fetch 4.0.3 to do my FTP uploads because it gets the
> job done and is easy to use. But Fetch 4.0.3 doesn't support FTPS, so
> this means I had to upgrade to Fetch 5.6.
>
> I *HATE* Fetch 5.6 compared to 4.0.3, mostly because logging into the
> server is slow as Christmas with it and I have to dismiss some stupid
> "Fetch can not verify the identity of server" dialogue every time.
>
> I was just wondering if anyone could recommend another FTPS-capable
> upload client that can run on my older system (an old G3 PPC iMac
> running Tiger 10.4.11). If not I guess I'll have to use Fetch 5.6 and
> hold my nose, at least when using Yahoo's server.

I think you/they mean "sftp", but that point isn't really relevant. You
might want to check out RBrowser, which is what I use on my old Dual G5
PowerMac running Leopard 10.5.8. Another possibility is the PowerPC
version of FileZilla, but I believe it requires 10.5.x.

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[Kevin McMurtrie]

In article <dennism3-2B1985...@free.teranews.com>,
Dennis M <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote:

> The host of my flagship website is Yahoo! Small Business, and they've
> informed me beginning Feb. 19 they're dropping support for regular FTP
> file uploading and switching to FTPS (FTP with TLS/SSL) over security
> concerns.
>
> I've always used Fetch 4.0.3 to do my FTP uploads because it gets the
> job done and is easy to use. But Fetch 4.0.3 doesn't support FTPS, so
> this means I had to upgrade to Fetch 5.6.
>
> I *HATE* Fetch 5.6 compared to 4.0.3, mostly because logging into the
> server is slow as Christmas with it and I have to dismiss some stupid
> "Fetch can not verify the identity of server" dialogue every time.
>
> I was just wondering if anyone could recommend another FTPS-capable
> upload client that can run on my older system (an old G3 PPC iMac
> running Tiger 10.4.11). If not I guess I'll have to use Fetch 5.6 and
> hold my nose, at least when using Yahoo's server.

Hopefully they support SSH software too. FTPS has little support.

There are utilities that will use interact with a remote SSH toolkit to
create a local disk. It's not fast but it's easy.

sftp looks like FTP but uses SSH.

rcp looks like cp but the endpoints can be an SSH URL.

rsync over SSH is, by far, the fastest. It runs on both ends so it can
perform incremental directory synchronization and continuous
compression. The client launches rsync on the server automatically
using the SSH tools.
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[Wes Groleau]

On 02-13-2013 20:47, Dennis M wrote:
> The host of my flagship website is Yahoo! Small Business, and they've
> informed me beginning Feb. 19 they're dropping support for regular FTP
> file uploading and switching to FTPS (FTP with TLS/SSL) over security
> concerns.

My personal recommendation is to find a host that supports ssh and rsync.

I move files around and edit them in a local copy of my website.
Then rsync on my Mac talks to rsync on the server. They figure out
exactly what files changed and which didn't. They even figure out
somehow what PARTS of each file changed.

Then the local rsync grabs the part that changed, compresses it, sends
it to the server. The server uncompresses it, and inserts the change
into the right part of the right file.

Generally less than a minute to synchronize a hundred megabyte site.



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We would not let our enemies have guns;
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[Patty Winter]

In article <dennism3-2B1985...@free.teranews.com>,
Dennis M <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote:
>
>I've always used Fetch 4.0.3 to do my FTP uploads because it gets the
>job done and is easy to use. But Fetch 4.0.3 doesn't support FTPS, so
>this means I had to upgrade to Fetch 5.6.
>
>I *HATE* Fetch 5.6 compared to 4.0.3, mostly because logging into the
>server is slow as Christmas with it and I have to dismiss some stupid
>"Fetch can not verify the identity of server" dialogue every time.

Are you talking about FTPS connections? Because I use Fetch 5.7.3
all the time for regular FTP connections and I don't experience
either of those problems.


Patty

[Paul Sture]

In article <dennism3-2B1985...@free.teranews.com>,
Dennis M <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote:

> The host of my flagship website is Yahoo! Small Business, and they've
> informed me beginning Feb. 19 they're dropping support for regular FTP
> file uploading and switching to FTPS (FTP with TLS/SSL) over security
> concerns.
>

> I've always used Fetch 4.0.3 to do my FTP uploads because it gets the
> job done and is easy to use. But Fetch 4.0.3 doesn't support FTPS, so
> this means I had to upgrade to Fetch 5.6.
>
> I *HATE* Fetch 5.6 compared to 4.0.3, mostly because logging into the
> server is slow as Christmas with it and I have to dismiss some stupid
> "Fetch can not verify the identity of server" dialogue every time.

That sounds like a security certificate problem. Does Fetch have a
means of importing certificates? You will probably need to ask Yahoo
support where you can get those.

> I was just wondering if anyone could recommend another FTPS-capable
> upload client that can run on my older system (an old G3 PPC iMac
> running Tiger 10.4.11). If not I guess I'll have to use Fetch 5.6 and
> hold my nose, at least when using Yahoo's server.

Like the others recommend, I use rsync, but it is a command line tool.

--
Paul Sture

[J.P. Kuypers]

In article (Dans l'article) <511c72f3$0$80184$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote (écrivait) :

Indeed 5.7.3 has some improvements and bug fixes since 5.6:

<http://fetchsoftworks.com/fetch/release-notes>
Fetch 5.7.3
- Fixed a problem with -9807 errors on FTP with TLS/SSL connections
Fetch 5.7.2
- Fixed a problem where an SFTP passphrase for a server using Two
Factor Authentication was not hidden
Fetch 5.7.1
- Changed SFTP behavior to honor SSH config settings, and no longer
require a dummy password for connections using public key
authentication
Fetch 5.7
- Added more detailed debug logging of SFTP connections
- Added support for Bonjour discovery of FTP with TLS/SSL servers
- Improved handling of SFTP host key changes
- Improved user interface for first time SFTP connections
- Improved warning message for mismatched SFTP host keys

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[Warren Oates]

In article <dennism3-2B1985...@free.teranews.com>,
Dennis M <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote:

> The host of my flagship website is Yahoo! Small Business, and they've
> informed me beginning Feb. 19 they're dropping support for regular FTP
> file uploading and switching to FTPS (FTP with TLS/SSL) over security
> concerns.
>
> I've always used Fetch 4.0.3 to do my FTP uploads because it gets the
> job done and is easy to use. But Fetch 4.0.3 doesn't support FTPS, so
> this means I had to upgrade to Fetch 5.6.
>

> I *HATE* Fetch 5.6 compared to 4.0.3, mostly because logging into the
> server is slow as Christmas with it and I have to dismiss some stupid
> "Fetch can not verify the identity of server" dialogue every time.
>

> I was just wondering if anyone could recommend another FTPS-capable
> upload client that can run on my older system (an old G3 PPC iMac
> running Tiger 10.4.11). If not I guess I'll have to use Fetch 5.6 and
> hold my nose, at least when using Yahoo's server.

I'm an old cli ncftp guy from way back, but I discovered Filezilla
recently. I needed something for Windows[1], and there it was. It's a
very nice, very cross-platform (s)ftp client for the GUI, very
configurable. I've set it up on all my machines, OS X, Linux, and
Winders, with the prefs all matching, so I know what I'm about at all
times. It's a whole lot more useful and intuitive than Cyberduck.

http://filezilla-project.org/

[1] I'm aware that the ncftp client runs on Winders, and runs quite
well. The Winders "command line" is pretty stupid otherwise though; I'd
never leave a terminal open the way I do with OS X or Linux.
--

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[David Stone]

In article <dennism3-2B1985...@free.teranews.com>,
Dennis M <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote:

> The host of my flagship website is Yahoo! Small Business, and they've
> informed me beginning Feb. 19 they're dropping support for regular FTP
> file uploading and switching to FTPS (FTP with TLS/SSL) over security
> concerns.
>
> I've always used Fetch 4.0.3 to do my FTP uploads because it gets the
> job done and is easy to use. But Fetch 4.0.3 doesn't support FTPS, so
> this means I had to upgrade to Fetch 5.6.
>
> I *HATE* Fetch 5.6 compared to 4.0.3, mostly because logging into the
> server is slow as Christmas with it and I have to dismiss some stupid
> "Fetch can not verify the identity of server" dialogue every time.

I have never had that problem, using Fetch 5.7.1. Then again, the
sites I've connected to using SFTP all have correct security
certificates. Perhaps if your hosting service is switching to SFTP,
they will make sure to have the correct certificates?

> I was just wondering if anyone could recommend another FTPS-capable
> upload client that can run on my older system (an old G3 PPC iMac
> running Tiger 10.4.11). If not I guess I'll have to use Fetch 5.6 and
> hold my nose, at least when using Yahoo's server.

You could try using the built-in client via Terminal, although it's
a little more work if you've not used it before (as you have to get
all the commands and syntax correct).

[Paul Sture]

In article <511cec09$0$21020$c3e8da3$1cbc...@news.astraweb.com>,

Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <dennism3-2B1985...@free.teranews.com>,
> Dennis M <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote:
>
> > The host of my flagship website is Yahoo! Small Business, and they've
> > informed me beginning Feb. 19 they're dropping support for regular FTP
> > file uploading and switching to FTPS (FTP with TLS/SSL) over security
> > concerns.
> >
> > I've always used Fetch 4.0.3 to do my FTP uploads because it gets the
> > job done and is easy to use. But Fetch 4.0.3 doesn't support FTPS, so
> > this means I had to upgrade to Fetch 5.6.
> >
> > I *HATE* Fetch 5.6 compared to 4.0.3, mostly because logging into the
> > server is slow as Christmas with it and I have to dismiss some stupid
> > "Fetch can not verify the identity of server" dialogue every time.
> >
> > I was just wondering if anyone could recommend another FTPS-capable
> > upload client that can run on my older system (an old G3 PPC iMac
> > running Tiger 10.4.11). If not I guess I'll have to use Fetch 5.6 and
> > hold my nose, at least when using Yahoo's server.
>
> I'm an old cli ncftp guy from way back, but I discovered Filezilla
> recently. I needed something for Windows[1], and there it was. It's a
> very nice, very cross-platform (s)ftp client for the GUI, very
> configurable. I've set it up on all my machines, OS X, Linux, and
> Winders, with the prefs all matching, so I know what I'm about at all
> times. It's a whole lot more useful and intuitive than Cyberduck.
>
> http://filezilla-project.org/

Although I don't need it often, I have found that Filezilla will manage
to transfer a complete website reliably. This has saved the day on
quite a few occasions where the ftp command line client was suffering
from timeouts or line hangs.

> [1] I'm aware that the ncftp client runs on Winders, and runs quite
> well. The Winders "command line" is pretty stupid otherwise though; I'd
> never leave a terminal open the way I do with OS X or Linux.

I am told that Powershell is the way to go nowadays. Yes there is a
learning curve but if I were doing more on Winders I'd take the time to
learn it; I find the "command line" hostile.

--
Paul Sture

[J.P. Kuypers]

In article (Dans l'article)

<dennism3-E7E5C5...@free.teranews.com>, Dennis M
<denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote (�crivait)�:

> ... does 5.7.3 run on Intel machines only?

Indeed
<http://fetchsoftworks.com/fetch/download/>

--
Jean-Pierre Kuypers

[Jolly Roger]

In article <dennism3-CE5B6E...@free.teranews.com>,
Dennis M <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote:

> In article <no.email-692765...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> David Stone <no.e...@domain.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > In article <dennism3-2B1985...@free.teranews.com>,
> > > Dennis M <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > I *HATE* Fetch 5.6 compared to 4.0.3, mostly because logging into the
> > > server is slow as Christmas with it and I have to dismiss some stupid
> > > "Fetch can not verify the identity of server" dialogue every time.
> >
> > I have never had that problem, using Fetch 5.7.1. Then again, the
> > sites I've connected to using SFTP all have correct security
> > certificates. Perhaps if your hosting service is switching to SFTP,
> > they will make sure to have the correct certificates?
>

> Thanks, I may write to Yahoo support and tell them a certificate problem
> is causing that dialogue in Fetch. At least I can get rid of that
> annoyance.

It'd be nice if Fetch would allow you to accept the certificate anyway,
like you can in most web browsers.

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[Warren Oates]

In article <nospam-5B9367....@news.chingola.ch>,

Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:

> I am told that Powershell is the way to go nowadays. Yes there is a
> learning curve but if I were doing more on Winders I'd take the time to
> learn it; I find the "command line" hostile.

Thanks for the tip; I'd never heard of it. I'll take a look at it.
Windows is a new thing for me, as a day-to-day OS.

[Warren Oates]

In article <slrnkhqfr8...@mbp55.local>,
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> I don't use ftp enough to futz with anything. I have ncftp, it has the
> very few ftp sites I ever need to access (maybe once a year?), and
> setting up something else would take me decades to recoup the time.

I use it for the machines on my LAN. Our website is stable; I just ssh
in and turn on-and-off the Christmas ornaments every year.

[Wes Groleau]

On 02-14-2013 11:44, Paul Sture wrote:
> I am told that Powershell is the way to go nowadays. Yes there is a
> learning curve but if I were doing more on Winders I'd take the time to
> learn it; I find the "command line" hostile.

??

I haven't used it much but I never saw any indication that Powershell
was not a shell.

--
Wes Groleau

A pessimist says the glass is half empty.
An optimist says the glass is half full.
An engineer says somebody made the glass
twice as big as it needed to be.

[Paul Sture]

In article <kfk79e$4il$1...@dont-email.me>,

Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> On 02-14-2013 11:44, Paul Sture wrote:
> > I am told that Powershell is the way to go nowadays. Yes there is a
> > learning curve but if I were doing more on Winders I'd take the time to
> > learn it; I find the "command line" hostile.
>
> ??
>
> I haven't used it much but I never saw any indication that Powershell
> was not a shell.

I was referring to what I know as the traditional "DOS command line".

To be fair much of my criticism of that comes from the utilities which on
an error simply regurgitate the help, without any indication of what you did
wrong.

--
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[Paul Sture]

In article <511d719c$0$59608$c3e8da3$66d3...@news.astraweb.com>,

Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <nospam-5B9367....@news.chingola.ch>,
> Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:
>
> > I am told that Powershell is the way to go nowadays. Yes there is a
> > learning curve but if I were doing more on Winders I'd take the time to
> > learn it; I find the "command line" hostile.
>
> Thanks for the tip; I'd never heard of it. I'll take a look at it.
> Windows is a new thing for me, as a day-to-day OS.

PowerShell comes in two flavours, from the traditional command prompt
and "PowerShell ISE" - I assume the ISE stands for Interactive Script
Editor.

Tip: The versions I have used to date don't come with the full help out
of the box. To download this you run either flavour of PowerShell with
admin privileges[1] and issue the command "update-help".

"Getting Started with Windows PowerShell"

<http://technet.microsoft.com/library/hh857337.aspx>

[1] yes, it's dumb - if you try without admin privileges it will do the
downloading and tell you at the end that it failed, and advise you run
again with admin privilege.

--
Paul Sture

[Paul Sture]

In article <slrnkhqfm9...@mbp55.local>,
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <nospam-3F8E32....@news.chingola.ch>

> Paul Sture <nos...@sture.ch> wrote:
> > In article <dennism3-2B1985...@free.teranews.com>,
> > Dennis M <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> The host of my flagship website is Yahoo! Small Business, and they've
> >> informed me beginning Feb. 19 they're dropping support for regular FTP
> >> file uploading and switching to FTPS (FTP with TLS/SSL) over security
> >> concerns.
> >>
> >> I've always used Fetch 4.0.3 to do my FTP uploads because it gets the
> >> job done and is easy to use. But Fetch 4.0.3 doesn't support FTPS, so
> >> this means I had to upgrade to Fetch 5.6.
> >>
> >> I *HATE* Fetch 5.6 compared to 4.0.3, mostly because logging into the
> >> server is slow as Christmas with it and I have to dismiss some stupid
> >> "Fetch can not verify the identity of server" dialogue every time.
>
> > That sounds like a security certificate problem. Does Fetch have a
> > means of importing certificates? You will probably need to ask Yahoo
> > support where you can get those.
>

> Sounds to me like yahoo went cheap-ass and is not using a real cert, no?

It depends how it's set up. If Dennis is using Fetch to talk to
<his-server.com>, that won't have a cert unless he has paid extra to get
one.

I see that my hosting ISP offers 3 basic certificate packages from
approx 80 to 300 USD per year, and naturally they have much more
expensive options too.

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