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Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 8:40:14 PM4/19/15
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I tried to help a friend create a simple text file on
Macintosh OSX 10.9.5 and it was very difficult.
Right clicking didn't have any option to create a text file.
http://i.imgur.com/RkrcG3M.png
So I had to find an existing text file because I couldn't
just create an empty text file.
Once I dug around and found a text file, I then found the
"duplicate" menu, and I duplicated it to "filename copy",
but was unable to just cut and paste it without duplicating
it first.
After duplicating it, I was able to cut and paste it so
that I could put it in the folder where I wanted it to be.
But when I changed the name to a reasonable name to indicate
it was a text file, the file simply disappeared! (I had named
it something like filename.txt).
Having no idea what happened to the file I had just named
filename.txt, I tried again by duplicating and then cutting
and pasting without a filename extension, to just a file name
of "save_text".
http://i.imgur.com/Vp0LkB4.png
Only then (after far too many steps), was I able to have a
text file in the location I wanted it.
Since the Mac is different from what I am used to, I am sure
I am doing something very wrong since it can't be this complex
to do something as simple as create an empty text file where
you want it to exist with a file name that indicates it's
a text file.
Given the simple goal of
a) Creating a blank text file
b) In a desired location
c) With some indication that it's a text file
How would a Mac user have done this task?
Macintosh OSX 10.9.5 and it was very difficult.
Right clicking didn't have any option to create a text file.
http://i.imgur.com/RkrcG3M.png
So I had to find an existing text file because I couldn't
just create an empty text file.
Once I dug around and found a text file, I then found the
"duplicate" menu, and I duplicated it to "filename copy",
but was unable to just cut and paste it without duplicating
it first.
After duplicating it, I was able to cut and paste it so
that I could put it in the folder where I wanted it to be.
But when I changed the name to a reasonable name to indicate
it was a text file, the file simply disappeared! (I had named
it something like filename.txt).
Having no idea what happened to the file I had just named
filename.txt, I tried again by duplicating and then cutting
and pasting without a filename extension, to just a file name
of "save_text".
http://i.imgur.com/Vp0LkB4.png
Only then (after far too many steps), was I able to have a
text file in the location I wanted it.
Since the Mac is different from what I am used to, I am sure
I am doing something very wrong since it can't be this complex
to do something as simple as create an empty text file where
you want it to exist with a file name that indicates it's
a text file.
Given the simple goal of
a) Creating a blank text file
b) In a desired location
c) With some indication that it's a text file
How would a Mac user have done this task?
nospam
Apr 19, 2015, 8:50:19 PM4/19/15
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In article <mh1htc$3dm$2...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
start writing, then save it.
of course it doesn't, because creating a text file is not a function of
finder.
why would anyone expect such a function to be there? you don't see
create a spreadsheet or photo there either, do you?
> So I had to find an existing text file because I couldn't
> just create an empty text file.
>
> Once I dug around and found a text file, I then found the
> "duplicate" menu, and I duplicated it to "filename copy",
> but was unable to just cut and paste it without duplicating
> it first.
dragging a file is much easier than cut/paste.
...
> Given the simple goal of
> a) Creating a blank text file
> b) In a desired location
> c) With some indication that it's a text file
> How would a Mac user have done this task?
as above, launch text edit or similar, type some text and then save it
to wherever you want.
as usual, you're doing things in the most complicated and fucked up way
possible.
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> I tried to help a friend create a simple text file on
> Macintosh OSX 10.9.5 and it was very difficult.
it's very easy. launch the text edit application (or equivalent) and
> I tried to help a friend create a simple text file on
> Macintosh OSX 10.9.5 and it was very difficult.
start writing, then save it.
of course it doesn't, because creating a text file is not a function of
finder.
why would anyone expect such a function to be there? you don't see
create a spreadsheet or photo there either, do you?
> So I had to find an existing text file because I couldn't
> just create an empty text file.
>
> Once I dug around and found a text file, I then found the
> "duplicate" menu, and I duplicated it to "filename copy",
> but was unable to just cut and paste it without duplicating
> it first.
...
> Given the simple goal of
> a) Creating a blank text file
> b) In a desired location
> c) With some indication that it's a text file
> How would a Mac user have done this task?
to wherever you want.
as usual, you're doing things in the most complicated and fucked up way
possible.
Michelle Steiner
Apr 19, 2015, 9:02:54 PM4/19/15
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> I tried to help a friend create a simple text file on
> Macintosh OSX 10.9.5 and it was very difficult.
>
> Right clicking didn't have any option to create a text file.
> http://i.imgur.com/RkrcG3M.png
>
> So I had to find an existing text file because I couldn't
> just create an empty text file.
Open TextEdit. Save.
> Macintosh OSX 10.9.5 and it was very difficult.
>
> Right clicking didn't have any option to create a text file.
> http://i.imgur.com/RkrcG3M.png
>
> So I had to find an existing text file because I couldn't
> just create an empty text file.
(If you have TextEdit's preferences set to Rich Text Format, change the
document's format to Text before saving.)
Michelle Steiner
Apr 19, 2015, 9:04:22 PM4/19/15
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In article <190420152050160494%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> as above, launch text edit or similar, type some text and then save it
> to wherever you want.
You don't even have to type some text.
> as above, launch text edit or similar, type some text and then save it
> to wherever you want.
nospam
Apr 19, 2015, 9:35:45 PM4/19/15
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In article <190420151804205941%mich...@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > as above, launch text edit or similar, type some text and then save it
> > to wherever you want.
>
> You don't even have to type some text.
sure, but an empty file is pointless.
> > as above, launch text edit or similar, type some text and then save it
> > to wherever you want.
>
> You don't even have to type some text.
Michelle Steiner
Apr 19, 2015, 9:42:07 PM4/19/15
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In article <190420152135434139%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam
But that is what the OP wanted to create.
Jolly Roger
Apr 19, 2015, 9:57:25 PM4/19/15
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On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> I tried to help a friend create a simple text file on
> Macintosh OSX 10.9.5 and it was very difficult.
Changed your nym yet again, I see. You're fooling nobody.
> I tried to help a friend create a simple text file on
> Macintosh OSX 10.9.5 and it was very difficult.
That's a silly ass-backwards Windows UI design that I am glad Apple
didn't provide in OS X. And I'm not surprised at all that you would
choose that method over any other, considering your affinity for doing
things in the most convoluted, complicated manner possible.
In operating systems that aren't as schizophrenic and brain-dead as
Windows, you don't create spreadsheets, graphics, presentations, or any
other file types by right-clicking on the desktop. Instead, you run a
spreadsheet (or whatever) program and create one that way. The same
naturally applies text files.
> Given the simple goal of
> a) Creating a blank text file
> b) In a desired location
> c) With some indication that it's a text file
> How would a Mac user have done this task?
2. Save the file wherever you want it.
3. There is no step 3.
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Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 10:05:10 PM4/19/15
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
19042015205016...@nospam.invalid
> it's very easy. launch the text edit application (or equivalent)
> and start writing, then save it.
1. There is no text application in the menu, so,
2. I hit the magnifying glass and search for "text".
3. The first hit is Application "TextEdit".
4. Up comes a window saying something about iCloud dragging.
5. I switch the default from "iCloud" to "On My Mac".
6. I navigate to where I want the empty ASCII text file to be.
7. I hit the "New Document" button.
8. I paste in the desired ASCII text.
9. This creates a file named "Untitled - Edited".
10. When I press the save button, a "Save As" box comes up.
11. The box defaults to Rich Text Document.
12. There is no clear ASCII Text option, as the options are:
a. Rich Text Document
b. Rich Text document with Attachments
c. Web Page (.html)
d. Web Archive Document
e. OpenDocument Text (.odt) Document
f. Word 2007 (.docx) Document
f. Word 2003 (.xml) Document
f. Word 97 (.doc) Document
13. The closest thing to an ASCII text is the first.
14. Up pops a warning:
You cannot save this document with extension ".txt"
at the end of the name. The required extension is ".rtf".
Is this what Mac users go through every day?
Or am I still doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way)?
What selection is a plain ASCII text document?
19042015205016...@nospam.invalid
> it's very easy. launch the text edit application (or equivalent)
> and start writing, then save it.
2. I hit the magnifying glass and search for "text".
3. The first hit is Application "TextEdit".
4. Up comes a window saying something about iCloud dragging.
5. I switch the default from "iCloud" to "On My Mac".
6. I navigate to where I want the empty ASCII text file to be.
7. I hit the "New Document" button.
8. I paste in the desired ASCII text.
9. This creates a file named "Untitled - Edited".
10. When I press the save button, a "Save As" box comes up.
11. The box defaults to Rich Text Document.
12. There is no clear ASCII Text option, as the options are:
a. Rich Text Document
b. Rich Text document with Attachments
c. Web Page (.html)
d. Web Archive Document
e. OpenDocument Text (.odt) Document
f. Word 2007 (.docx) Document
f. Word 2003 (.xml) Document
f. Word 97 (.doc) Document
13. The closest thing to an ASCII text is the first.
14. Up pops a warning:
You cannot save this document with extension ".txt"
at the end of the name. The required extension is ".rtf".
Is this what Mac users go through every day?
Or am I still doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way)?
What selection is a plain ASCII text document?
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 10:11:48 PM4/19/15
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Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
190420151842061874%mich...@michelle.org
> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something
as simple and mundane as this.
It shouldn't take more than a dozen steps (see the detailed
post), which, in the end, still don't result in an ASCII
text document.
I must be doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way,
because the Mac just can't be this hard to use and inefficient).
190420151842061874%mich...@michelle.org
> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something
as simple and mundane as this.
It shouldn't take more than a dozen steps (see the detailed
post), which, in the end, still don't result in an ASCII
text document.
I must be doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way,
because the Mac just can't be this hard to use and inefficient).
Jolly Roger
Apr 19, 2015, 10:15:42 PM4/19/15
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On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420151842061874%mich...@michelle.org
>
>> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
>
> I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
>
> I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
>
> It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something
> as simple and mundane as this.
And it is. Three steps, in fact, with a rich text editor like TextEdit.
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420151842061874%mich...@michelle.org
>
>> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
>
> I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
>
> I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
>
> It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something
> as simple and mundane as this.
With a plain text editor such as TextWrangler and so on, it's just two
steps.
> It shouldn't take more than a dozen steps (see the detailed
> post), which, in the end, still don't result in an ASCII
> text document.
because you insist on doing things like you would do them on Linux or
Windows. As you have been told umpteen times, OS X ain't your
grandfather's operating system. The day you embrace it rather than
rejecting it will be the day you become productive on OS X.
> I must be doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way,
> because the Mac just can't be this hard to use and inefficient).
nospam
Apr 19, 2015, 10:16:39 PM4/19/15
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In article <mh1msl$3dm$3...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
applications are in the applications folder.
> 2. I hit the magnifying glass and search for "text".
> 3. The first hit is Application "TextEdit".
that's the one.
> 4. Up comes a window saying something about iCloud dragging.
> 5. I switch the default from "iCloud" to "On My Mac".
> 6. I navigate to where I want the empty ASCII text file to be.
> 7. I hit the "New Document" button.
> 8. I paste in the desired ASCII text.
> 9. This creates a file named "Untitled - Edited".
> 10. When I press the save button, a "Save As" box comes up.
> 11. The box defaults to Rich Text Document.
change that in the app's preferences before saving. it's a dumb design
to put it there, but that's what it is.
if you want to edit text files, get text wrangler, which is free.
it's by far the best text editor on any platform. even the free version
will do a shitload of stuff, including formatting html or source code,
all very configurable. there are even command line tools for it.
<http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/>
> 12. There is no clear ASCII Text option, as the options are:
> a. Rich Text Document
> b. Rich Text document with Attachments
> c. Web Page (.html)
> d. Web Archive Document
> e. OpenDocument Text (.odt) Document
> f. Word 2007 (.docx) Document
> f. Word 2003 (.xml) Document
> f. Word 97 (.doc) Document
> 13. The closest thing to an ASCII text is the first.
> 14. Up pops a warning:
> You cannot save this document with extension ".txt"
> at the end of the name. The required extension is ".rtf".
that's because it's rtf. duh.
> Is this what Mac users go through every day?
nope.
only those who try to overcomplicate things.
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> > it's very easy. launch the text edit application (or equivalent)
> > and start writing, then save it.
>
> 1. There is no text application in the menu, so,
why would that be in a menu?
> > it's very easy. launch the text edit application (or equivalent)
> > and start writing, then save it.
>
> 1. There is no text application in the menu, so,
applications are in the applications folder.
> 2. I hit the magnifying glass and search for "text".
> 3. The first hit is Application "TextEdit".
> 4. Up comes a window saying something about iCloud dragging.
> 5. I switch the default from "iCloud" to "On My Mac".
> 6. I navigate to where I want the empty ASCII text file to be.
> 7. I hit the "New Document" button.
> 8. I paste in the desired ASCII text.
> 9. This creates a file named "Untitled - Edited".
> 10. When I press the save button, a "Save As" box comes up.
> 11. The box defaults to Rich Text Document.
to put it there, but that's what it is.
if you want to edit text files, get text wrangler, which is free.
it's by far the best text editor on any platform. even the free version
will do a shitload of stuff, including formatting html or source code,
all very configurable. there are even command line tools for it.
<http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/>
> 12. There is no clear ASCII Text option, as the options are:
> a. Rich Text Document
> b. Rich Text document with Attachments
> c. Web Page (.html)
> d. Web Archive Document
> e. OpenDocument Text (.odt) Document
> f. Word 2007 (.docx) Document
> f. Word 2003 (.xml) Document
> f. Word 97 (.doc) Document
> 13. The closest thing to an ASCII text is the first.
> 14. Up pops a warning:
> You cannot save this document with extension ".txt"
> at the end of the name. The required extension is ".rtf".
> Is this what Mac users go through every day?
only those who try to overcomplicate things.
dorayme
Apr 19, 2015, 10:19:42 PM4/19/15
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In article <190420152135434139%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
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dorayme
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 10:20:41 PM4/19/15
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Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
190420151802520653%mich...@michelle.org
> Open TextEdit. Save.
>
> (If you have TextEdit's preferences set to Rich Text Format, change the
> document's format to Text before saving.)
ASCII text isn't one of the options, and, you can't even save
the file to a name that ends with the ".txt" filename extension
for portability with other platforms.
http://i.imgur.com/GifasHd.png
I must be missing something very obvious to everyone else.
Which of these TextEdit "Save As" options is the ASCII text option?
http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png
nospam
Apr 19, 2015, 10:22:20 PM4/19/15
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In article <mh1n92$3dm$4...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
launch app
paste
save
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something
> as simple and mundane as this.
>
> It shouldn't take more than a dozen steps (see the detailed
> post), which, in the end, still don't result in an ASCII
> text document.
it takes 3 steps:
> It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something
> as simple and mundane as this.
>
> It shouldn't take more than a dozen steps (see the detailed
> post), which, in the end, still don't result in an ASCII
> text document.
launch app
paste
save
nospam
Apr 19, 2015, 10:22:21 PM4/19/15
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Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 10:23:19 PM4/19/15
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Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpj4o2...@mid.individual.net
> 1. Open TextEdit (or any text editor).
> 2. Save the file wherever you want it.
> 3. There is no step 3.
http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png
cpj4o2...@mid.individual.net
> 1. Open TextEdit (or any text editor).
> 2. Save the file wherever you want it.
> 3. There is no step 3.
Which of these TextEdit "Save As" options is the ASCII text option
(so that I can save the file as a portable filename.txt)?
http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png
Jolly Roger
Apr 19, 2015, 10:23:52 PM4/19/15
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On 2015-04-20, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <mh1msl$3dm$3...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
><a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> 11. The box defaults to Rich Text Document.
>
> change that in the app's preferences before saving.
Or simply choose Format > Make Plain Text from the TextEdit menu bar.
> In article <mh1msl$3dm$3...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
><a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> 11. The box defaults to Rich Text Document.
>
> change that in the app's preferences before saving.
The TextEdit Preferences > New Document > Format setting lets you
specify whether new documents you create are plain text or rich text
format.
Regardless of which format is specified in preferences, you can always
use the Format > Make Plain Text menu command to change the current
document to the format you want.
> it's a dumb design to put it there, but that's what it is.
rich text documents by default. Providing both a default setting in
preferences along with a menu command (and key binding) to change the
format at will seems fine to me.
> if you want to edit text files, get text wrangler, which is free.
> it's by far the best text editor on any platform. even the free version
> will do a shitload of stuff, including formatting html or source code,
> all very configurable. there are even command line tools for it.
>
><http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/>
suited for editing plain text files than TextEdit, which is better
suited as a general-purpose word processor for editing rich text
documents.
Jolly Roger
Apr 19, 2015, 10:27:18 PM4/19/15
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On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
1. Open TextEdit.
2. Choose Format > Make Plain Text.
3. Save the file.
-or-
1. Open TextEdit.
2. Change Preferences > New Document > Format: Plain text.
From this point on, all you have are two steps:
1. Open TextEdit.
2. Save the file.
nospam
Apr 19, 2015, 10:28:19 PM4/19/15
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In article <mh1nul$3dm$6...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
its not in save as. pay attention. you set the app to plain text in the
app and then it will save plain text.
and don't even waste your time with text edit. get text wrangler.
<http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/>
its not in save as. pay attention. you set the app to plain text in the
app and then it will save plain text.
and don't even waste your time with text edit. get text wrangler.
<http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/>
nospam
Apr 19, 2015, 10:29:07 PM4/19/15
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In article <cpj69j...@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> > it's a dumb design to put it there, but that's what it is.
>
> Doesn't seem very dumb to me. It's a design choice that TextEdit creates
> rich text documents by default. Providing both a default setting in
> preferences along with a menu command (and key binding) to change the
> format at will seems fine to me.
there should be an option at the time of saving.
> > it's a dumb design to put it there, but that's what it is.
>
> Doesn't seem very dumb to me. It's a design choice that TextEdit creates
> rich text documents by default. Providing both a default setting in
> preferences along with a menu command (and key binding) to change the
> format at will seems fine to me.
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 10:30:22 PM4/19/15
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Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpj5qc...@mid.individual.net
> And it is. Three steps, in fact, with a rich text editor like TextEdit.
> With a plain text editor such as TextWrangler and so on, it's just two
> steps.
This isn't my Macintosh, so I'll use the default ASCII text editor that
comes with the operating system.
If TextEdit creates ASCII text, you'll have to let me know which of
these options is for ASCII text, because I don't see such an option.
http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png
If there is some other default ASCII text editor on the Macintosh, then
I don't know what it is. I searched for "TextWrangler" using the "Spotlight"
magnifying glass, but TextWrangler does not seem to be installed.
Jolly Roger
Apr 19, 2015, 10:30:25 PM4/19/15
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On 2015-04-20, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
document type in preferences is dumb.
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 10:30:58 PM4/19/15
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
19042015222219...@nospam.invalid
> it takes 3 steps:
> launch app
> paste
> save
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Jolly Roger
Apr 19, 2015, 10:32:25 PM4/19/15
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On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj5qc...@mid.individual.net
>
>> And it is. Three steps, in fact, with a rich text editor like TextEdit.
>> With a plain text editor such as TextWrangler and so on, it's just two
>> steps.
>
> I don't care what default program I use to create the ASCII text file.
> This isn't my Macintosh, so I'll use the default ASCII text editor that
> comes with the operating system.
>
> If TextEdit creates ASCII text, you'll have to let me know which of
> these options is for ASCII text, because I don't see such an option.
I already told you, and so have others - and your apparent refusal to
> cpj5qc...@mid.individual.net
>
>> And it is. Three steps, in fact, with a rich text editor like TextEdit.
>> With a plain text editor such as TextWrangler and so on, it's just two
>> steps.
>
> I don't care what default program I use to create the ASCII text file.
> This isn't my Macintosh, so I'll use the default ASCII text editor that
> comes with the operating system.
>
> If TextEdit creates ASCII text, you'll have to let me know which of
> these options is for ASCII text, because I don't see such an option.
acknowledge what you have been told doesn't mean it didn't happen.
nospam
Apr 19, 2015, 10:32:35 PM4/19/15
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In article <mh1obs$3dm$7...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
> If there is some other default ASCII text editor on the Macintosh, then
> I don't know what it is. I searched for "TextWrangler" using the "Spotlight"
> magnifying glass, but TextWrangler does not seem to be installed.
you can't be that stupid.
i gave you the link. click it, download, install and it will blow you
away. it's that good.
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> If TextEdit creates ASCII text, you'll have to let me know which of
> these options is for ASCII text, because I don't see such an option.
pay attention.
> If TextEdit creates ASCII text, you'll have to let me know which of
> these options is for ASCII text, because I don't see such an option.
> If there is some other default ASCII text editor on the Macintosh, then
> I don't know what it is. I searched for "TextWrangler" using the "Spotlight"
> magnifying glass, but TextWrangler does not seem to be installed.
i gave you the link. click it, download, install and it will blow you
away. it's that good.
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 10:32:41 PM4/19/15
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Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpj5ij...@mid.individual.net
> 1. Open TextEdit.
> 2. From the menu bar, choose Format > Make Plain Text.
> 3. Save.
And that saves a portable ASCII text file named filename.txt?
How?
http://i.imgur.com/GifasHd.png
nospam
Apr 19, 2015, 10:33:09 PM4/19/15
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In article <mh1od0$3dm$8...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
are you even reading what people write??
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> > it takes 3 steps:
> > launch app
> > paste
> > save
>
> And that saves an ASCII text file?
if you set the app to text it does.
> > it takes 3 steps:
> > launch app
> > paste
> > save
>
> And that saves an ASCII text file?
are you even reading what people write??
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 10:33:32 PM4/19/15
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
19042015222220...@nospam.invalid
> yep.
What's your secret to simply saving a portable ASCII text
file, named filename.txt, using TextEdit?
http://i.imgur.com/GifasHd.png
Jolly Roger
Apr 19, 2015, 10:35:14 PM4/19/15
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On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj5ij...@mid.individual.net
>
>> 1. Open TextEdit.
>> 2. From the menu bar, choose Format > Make Plain Text.
>> 3. Save.
>
> And that saves a portable ASCII text file named filename.txt?
Absolutely. You think I'm lying or something?
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj5ij...@mid.individual.net
>
>> 1. Open TextEdit.
>> 2. From the menu bar, choose Format > Make Plain Text.
>> 3. Save.
>
> And that saves a portable ASCII text file named filename.txt?
> How?
>
> http://i.imgur.com/GifasHd.png
Like so:
<http://i58.tinypic.com/2wnbklv.png>
nospam
Apr 19, 2015, 10:35:27 PM4/19/15
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In article <mh1ohr$3dm$1...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
it sure as fuck doesn't look like it
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> What's your secret to simply saving a portable ASCII text
> file, named filename.txt, using TextEdit?
are you even reading these posts??????
> What's your secret to simply saving a portable ASCII text
> file, named filename.txt, using TextEdit?
it sure as fuck doesn't look like it
Jolly Roger
Apr 19, 2015, 10:36:29 PM4/19/15
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On 2015-04-20, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
as if nobody said it while claiming ____ is impossible on OS X / iOS.
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 10:36:42 PM4/19/15
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
19042015221637...@nospam.invalid
> if you want to edit text files, get text wrangler, which is free.
Jolly Roger
Apr 19, 2015, 10:37:09 PM4/19/15
to
doesn't support your silly "OS X is hard to use" troll.
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 10:37:34 PM4/19/15
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
19042015221637...@nospam.invalid
>> 14. Up pops a warning:
>> You cannot save this document with extension ".txt"
>> at the end of the name. The required extension is ".rtf".
>
> that's because it's rtf. duh.
http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png
nospam
Apr 19, 2015, 10:38:11 PM4/19/15
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In article <mh1ono$3dm$1...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
or tell the owner about it.
seriously, textwrangler is *extremely* good and free.
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> > if you want to edit text files, get text wrangler, which is free.
>
> It's not my Macintosh so I'll use the default ASCII text editor.
delete it when you're done with it.
> > if you want to edit text files, get text wrangler, which is free.
>
> It's not my Macintosh so I'll use the default ASCII text editor.
or tell the owner about it.
seriously, textwrangler is *extremely* good and free.
Jolly Roger
Apr 19, 2015, 10:38:31 PM4/19/15
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nospam
Apr 19, 2015, 10:39:16 PM4/19/15
to
In article <mh1opc$3dm$1...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
you are not paying attention. set the app to text. done.
you are not paying attention. set the app to text. done.
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 10:43:38 PM4/19/15
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
19042015223234...@nospam.invalid
> you can't be that stupid.
>
> i gave you the link. click it, download, install and it will blow you
> away. it's that good.
helping. It's a corporate Macintosh.
Given that, the default ASCII text editor that came with the Macintosh
is what I wish to use.
Everyone said that is TextEdit, and I'm perfectly fine with that if
I could just get it to save a filename.txt in ASCII format.
Which of these options is the ASCII text format?
http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 10:44:55 PM4/19/15
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
19042015223307...@nospam.invalid
>> And that saves an ASCII text file?
>
> if you set the app to text it does.
>
> are you even reading what people write??
I'm fine with that.
If someone could just answer this question, we'd be done with this thread.
Which of these options is the TextEdit ASCII text option?
http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png
nospam
Apr 19, 2015, 10:46:52 PM4/19/15
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In article <mh1p75$3dm$1...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
once again, the app defaults to rtf, so disable that *in the app*, not
the save panel.
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> If someone could just answer this question, we'd be done with this thread.
it's been answered several times.
> If someone could just answer this question, we'd be done with this thread.
once again, the app defaults to rtf, so disable that *in the app*, not
the save panel.
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 10:47:20 PM4/19/15
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Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpj6v0...@mid.individual.net
> Like so:
>
> <http://i58.tinypic.com/2wnbklv.png>
That's *exactly* what this thread is asking how to do!
Why don't I see that option in TextEdit?
nospam
Apr 19, 2015, 10:48:20 PM4/19/15
to
In article <mh1pbm$3dm$1...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> > <http://i58.tinypic.com/2wnbklv.png>
>
> That's *exactly* what this thread is asking how to do!
>
> Why don't I see that option in TextEdit?
because you're not paying attention.
> > <http://i58.tinypic.com/2wnbklv.png>
>
> That's *exactly* what this thread is asking how to do!
>
> Why don't I see that option in TextEdit?
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 10:54:52 PM4/19/15
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
19042015221637...@nospam.invalid
> change that in the app's preferences before saving.
> it's a dumb design to put it there
That's what needs to be done!
Thanks!
TextEdit > Preferences > New Document > Format (o) Plain text]
Open and Save > When Saving a File: [x] Add ".txt" extension to plain text files
It was unintuitive that I couldn't "Save As" ASCII text
by default, but this worked just fine.
It even converted the RTF document to portable ASCII text,
which now means that the original file is also fixed.
Thanks.
I'm done with this thread other than to answer questions
and respond to each post.
Thanks again.
David Empson
Apr 19, 2015, 10:58:03 PM4/19/15
to
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> 19042015223307...@nospam.invalid
>
> >> And that saves an ASCII text file?
> >
> > if you set the app to text it does.
> >
> > are you even reading what people write??
>
> Everyone says that TextEdit can save ASCII text.
> I'm fine with that.
>
> If someone could just answer this question, we'd be done with this thread.
They already did, at least three or four times.
> 19042015223307...@nospam.invalid
>
> >> And that saves an ASCII text file?
> >
> > if you set the app to text it does.
> >
> > are you even reading what people write??
>
> Everyone says that TextEdit can save ASCII text.
> I'm fine with that.
>
> If someone could just answer this question, we'd be done with this thread.
TextEdit defaults to Rich Text Format for new documents. You can change
its default for new documents to Plain Text, but you probably don't want
to fiddle with preferences as it isn't your Mac.
Once you have a new document window, you can change the mode for that
document without affecting the application default, by clicking on the
Format menu and choosing Make Plain Text (or Make Rich Text to go back
to rich mode again).
Once you have the document in plain text mode, you can save a plain text
file using File > Save. (The Save As dialog then offers a choice of
various plain text formats, including UTF-16, UTF-8 and various 8-bit
options with different character sets.)
--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 10:59:55 PM4/19/15
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
19042015222905...@nospam.invalid
> there should be an option at the time of saving.
It certainly wasn't intuitive that the 'Save As' dialog for the
default text editor had no option for saving ASCII text.
However, as you noted, there was a preference setting, which
enabled that hidden option, so now the default text editor
can actually save ASCII text.
Thanks.
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 11:00:50 PM4/19/15
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Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpj6lu...@mid.individual.net
> I agree. I just don't agree that allowing you to set the default
> document type in preferences is dumb.
the default text editor on the Macintosh easily saves ASCII
text.
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 11:01:11 PM4/19/15
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Jolly Roger
Apr 19, 2015, 11:01:43 PM4/19/15
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On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
I and others have given you instructions showing you exactly how, yet
you refuse to acknowledge them so you can continue your silly "OS X
can't do ____" game.
Boring.
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 11:02:42 PM4/19/15
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
19042015223526...@nospam.invalid
> are you even reading these posts??????
>
> it sure as fuck doesn't look like it
It certainly wasn't intuitive that the 'Save As' dialog for the
default text editor had no option for saving ASCII text
However, as you noted, there was a preference setting, which
enabled that hidden option, so now the default text editor
can actually save ASCII text.
Jolly Roger
Apr 19, 2015, 11:03:03 PM4/19/15
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On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> 19042015221637...@nospam.invalid
>
>> change that in the app's preferences before saving.
>> it's a dumb design to put it there
>
> That's what needs to be done!
> Thanks!
>
> TextEdit > Preferences > New Document > Format (o) Plain text]
So you refuse to install TextWrangler because it's not your computer,
> 19042015221637...@nospam.invalid
>
>> change that in the app's preferences before saving.
>> it's a dumb design to put it there
>
> That's what needs to be done!
> Thanks!
>
> TextEdit > Preferences > New Document > Format (o) Plain text]
but you don't mind at all changing the preferences on the machine. Makes
complete sense.
Jolly Roger
Apr 19, 2015, 11:05:30 PM4/19/15
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On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
choosing Format > Make Plain Text. Not surprised.
David Ritz
Apr 19, 2015, 11:10:39 PM4/19/15
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On Monday, 20 April 2015 00:40 -0000,
in article <mh1htc$3dm$2...@news.albasani.net>,
> Since the Mac is different from what I am used to, I am sure I am
> doing something very wrong since it can't be this complex to do
> something as simple as create an empty text file where you want it
> to exist with a file name that indicates it's a text file.
It's quite easy, actually.
> Given the simple goal of
> a) Creating a blank text file
> b) In a desired location
> c) With some indication that it's a text file
> How would a Mac user have done this task?
The easiest way I can come up with, to create a new text file, in the
directory of your choice, is via Terminal application, found in
/Applications/Utilities/. To create the file, type
touch /full/path/to/file.txt
$ touch ~/Desktop/file.txt
$ ls -alF ~/Desktop/file.txt
-rw-r--r--+ 1 dritz staff 0 Apr 19 21:42 /Users/dritz/Desktop/file.txt
$ file /Users/dritz/Desktop/file.txt
/Users/dritz/Desktop/file.txt: empty
Is that empty enough for you, Adam?
Optionally, a Mac user might launch whatever text editor they're
using, create a new document within the application and save it to
disk, wherever you want it to exist, within the Save dialog. Common
GUI Mac text editors include TextWrangler (free) and BBEdit (paid),
both from Bare Bones Software. Common CLI text editors, found in a
default Mac installation include ed, vi (asiased to vim), nano and
emacs, all of which are quite common on Unix and Unix-like platforms.
/Applications/TextEdit.app is even usable for the creation of an empty
text file, although I find it extremely limited for actual text
editing and formatting.
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David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com>
Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.
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On Monday, 20 April 2015 00:40 -0000,
in article <mh1htc$3dm$2...@news.albasani.net>,
> Since the Mac is different from what I am used to, I am sure I am
> doing something very wrong since it can't be this complex to do
> something as simple as create an empty text file where you want it
> to exist with a file name that indicates it's a text file.
It's quite easy, actually.
> Given the simple goal of
> a) Creating a blank text file
> b) In a desired location
> c) With some indication that it's a text file
> How would a Mac user have done this task?
The easiest way I can come up with, to create a new text file, in the
directory of your choice, is via Terminal application, found in
/Applications/Utilities/. To create the file, type
touch /full/path/to/file.txt
$ touch ~/Desktop/file.txt
$ ls -alF ~/Desktop/file.txt
-rw-r--r--+ 1 dritz staff 0 Apr 19 21:42 /Users/dritz/Desktop/file.txt
$ file /Users/dritz/Desktop/file.txt
/Users/dritz/Desktop/file.txt: empty
Is that empty enough for you, Adam?
Optionally, a Mac user might launch whatever text editor they're
using, create a new document within the application and save it to
disk, wherever you want it to exist, within the Save dialog. Common
GUI Mac text editors include TextWrangler (free) and BBEdit (paid),
both from Bare Bones Software. Common CLI text editors, found in a
default Mac installation include ed, vi (asiased to vim), nano and
emacs, all of which are quite common on Unix and Unix-like platforms.
/Applications/TextEdit.app is even usable for the creation of an empty
text file, although I find it extremely limited for actual text
editing and formatting.
--
David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com>
Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.
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Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 11:14:00 PM4/19/15
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Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpj72jF...@mid.individual.net
> You've already been told, but are refusing to acknowledge it
only nospam mentioned *how* to unhide the hidden entry to get the
default text editor to save as an ASCII text file with a portable
default filename extension of *.txt.
It was so unintuitive, that I had to actually try it as soon as I
understood what nospam was saying, and now everything is fine.
The answer to the question is simple once you already know the
answer, which is that you have to unhide the hidden option to save
as ASCII text, and then the default text editor saves ASCII text
files.
Thanks!
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 11:23:26 PM4/19/15
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Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpj6g3...@mid.individual.net
> 1. Open TextEdit.
> 2. Change Preferences > New Document > Format: Plain text.
Thanks.
Only nospam, up to your post above, had actually explained *how*
to unhide the hidden option for the default text editor to save as
portable ASCII text files.
Now everything is fine.
What I learned was two important things about Macintosh protocols.
1. In most operating system, you have a variety of options of how you
want to create your ASCII text files but on the Macintosh, one of
those options doesn't exist. This is fine, as long as you're aware
that this option doesn't exist, as the other options work almost
as well (depending on the need).
2. In most default text editors (on other operating systems), you can
immediately save the file as ASCII text but on the Macintosh, you
have to know to first unhide the hidden option to save ASCII text
as ASCII text (because the default text editor defaults to RTL).
Thanks for helping me understand how mac users create text files.
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 11:25:18 PM4/19/15
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
19042015222817...@nospam.invalid
> its not in save as. pay attention. you set the app to plain text in the
> app and then it will save plain text.
I don't have the Macintosh in front of me now, as the person who was
asking for help went home, but I will need to check tomorrow if unhiding
the hidden option for the default text editor to save ASCII text actually
disabled the Save As dialog by mistake.
Thanks for that warning. I'll have to check tomorrow to see if there is
still the option to Save As, or if that option now disappears.
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Michelle Steiner
Apr 19, 2015, 11:27:16 PM4/19/15
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In article <mh1rfc$i5o$2...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
hidden about it.
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj6g3...@mid.individual.net
>
> > 1. Open TextEdit.
> > 2. Change Preferences > New Document > Format: Plain text.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Only nospam, up to your post above, had actually explained *how*
> to unhide the hidden option for the default text editor to save as
> portable ASCII text files.
Actually, I explained it before he did. Further, there's nothing
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj6g3...@mid.individual.net
>
> > 1. Open TextEdit.
> > 2. Change Preferences > New Document > Format: Plain text.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Only nospam, up to your post above, had actually explained *how*
> to unhide the hidden option for the default text editor to save as
> portable ASCII text files.
hidden about it.
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 11:28:32 PM4/19/15
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mh1p4o$3dm$1...@news.albasani.net
Thanks to nospam, who had initially explained how to unhide
where he explained it in more detail, with a screenshot.)
Now everything is fine.
I learned important things about Macintosh protocols.
1. In most operating system, you have a variety of options of how you
want to create your ASCII text files but on the Macintosh, one of
those options doesn't exist. This is fine, as long as you're aware
that this option doesn't exist, as the other options work almost
as well (depending on the need).
2. In most default text editors (on other operating systems), you can
immediately save the file as ASCII text but on the Macintosh, you
have to know to first unhide the hidden option to save ASCII text
as ASCII text (because the default text editor defaults to RTL).
3. I can't check now, as the Macintosh went to its home, but, I think,
from what nospam said, that we lost the option to have the "Save As"
dialog box come up when we selected to unhide the hidden option for
the default text editor to save ASCII text. I'll have to check that
tomorrow when I have access to the Macintosh again.
mh1p4o$3dm$1...@news.albasani.net
Thanks to nospam, who had initially explained how to unhide
the hidden option for the default text editor to save as portable
ASCII text files. (And to Jolly Roger for confirming the steps,
where he explained it in more detail, with a screenshot.)
Now everything is fine.
I learned important things about Macintosh protocols.
1. In most operating system, you have a variety of options of how you
want to create your ASCII text files but on the Macintosh, one of
those options doesn't exist. This is fine, as long as you're aware
that this option doesn't exist, as the other options work almost
as well (depending on the need).
2. In most default text editors (on other operating systems), you can
immediately save the file as ASCII text but on the Macintosh, you
have to know to first unhide the hidden option to save ASCII text
as ASCII text (because the default text editor defaults to RTL).
from what nospam said, that we lost the option to have the "Save As"
dialog box come up when we selected to unhide the hidden option for
the default text editor to save ASCII text. I'll have to check that
tomorrow when I have access to the Macintosh again.
David Ritz
Apr 19, 2015, 11:30:27 PM4/19/15
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in article <mh1p4o$3dm$1...@news.albasani.net>,
Open TextEdit. Under the TextEdit menu item, select Preferences....
In the New Document pane, tick Plain text.
You may now save your plain text document, where ever you want. When
the Save dialog box is open, you can select your text encoding.
US-ASCII isn't among the default choices, but fear not. If you click
on the plain text encoding menu, you'll find that it's editable.
Select ASCII and you should be ready to rock'n'roll.
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David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com>
"Awop-bop-a-loo-mop alop-bam-boom!"
- Little Richard [Penniman] (b. 1932)
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Apr 19, 2015, 11:31:05 PM4/19/15
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In article <mh1og8$3dm$9...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
> cpj5ij...@mid.individual.net
>
> > 1. Open TextEdit.
> > 2. From the menu bar, choose Format > Make Plain Text.
> > 3. Save.
>
> And that saves a portable ASCII text file named filename.txt?
>
> How?
>
> http://i.imgur.com/GifasHd.png
You forgot step 2.
> cpj5ij...@mid.individual.net
>
> > 1. Open TextEdit.
> > 2. From the menu bar, choose Format > Make Plain Text.
> > 3. Save.
>
> And that saves a portable ASCII text file named filename.txt?
>
> How?
>
> http://i.imgur.com/GifasHd.png
You forgot step 2.
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 11:31:27 PM4/19/15
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nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
19042015224650...@nospam.invalid
> once again, the app defaults to rtf, so disable that *in the app*, not
> the save panel.
to Save As, by turning on the capability for the default text editor to
save ASCII text, but it's done.
I don't have the Macintosh in front of me, so I will have to check tomorrow
if turning on the ability for the default text editor to save ASCII text
then turns off the ability for that same editor to "Save As" other formats
(which would be weird, if that's the case).
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Michelle Steiner
Apr 19, 2015, 11:34:58 PM4/19/15
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In article <mh1n92$3dm$4...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> I must be doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way,
> because the Mac just can't be this hard to use and inefficient).
Yes, you were doing something wrong; you were trying to do something
the hardest way possible, which it seems that you are always doing.
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> I must be doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way,
> because the Mac just can't be this hard to use and inefficient).
Yes, you were doing something wrong; you were trying to do something
the hardest way possible, which it seems that you are always doing.
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Michelle Steiner
Apr 19, 2015, 11:37:49 PM4/19/15
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In article <mh1rud$i5o$5...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> > once again, the app defaults to rtf, so disable that *in the app*, not
> > the save panel.
>
> It wasn't intuitive that you have to basically turn off the capability
> to Save As, by turning on the capability for the default text editor to
> save ASCII text, but it's done.
You don't lose anything.
> > once again, the app defaults to rtf, so disable that *in the app*, not
> > the save panel.
>
> It wasn't intuitive that you have to basically turn off the capability
> to Save As, by turning on the capability for the default text editor to
> save ASCII text, but it's done.
nospam
Apr 19, 2015, 11:38:59 PM4/19/15
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In article <mh1rfc$i5o$2...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
no you didn't.
> 1. In most operating system, you have a variety of options of how you
> want to create your ASCII text files but on the Macintosh, one of
> those options doesn't exist. This is fine, as long as you're aware
> that this option doesn't exist, as the other options work almost
> as well (depending on the need).
wrong.
*one* app doesn't have it in the save panel.
what other apps do is likely to be different.
> 2. In most default text editors (on other operating systems), you can
> immediately save the file as ASCII text but on the Macintosh, you
> have to know to first unhide the hidden option to save ASCII text
> as ASCII text (because the default text editor defaults to RTL).
textwrangler.
> Thanks for helping me understand how mac users create text files.
you're making stupid generalizations again.
no you didn't.
> 1. In most operating system, you have a variety of options of how you
> want to create your ASCII text files but on the Macintosh, one of
> those options doesn't exist. This is fine, as long as you're aware
> that this option doesn't exist, as the other options work almost
> as well (depending on the need).
*one* app doesn't have it in the save panel.
what other apps do is likely to be different.
> 2. In most default text editors (on other operating systems), you can
> immediately save the file as ASCII text but on the Macintosh, you
> have to know to first unhide the hidden option to save ASCII text
> as ASCII text (because the default text editor defaults to RTL).
> Thanks for helping me understand how mac users create text files.
dorayme
Apr 19, 2015, 11:53:00 PM4/19/15
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In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1...@mako.ath.cx>,
at some stage?
--
dorayme
David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> The easiest way I can come up with, to create a new text file, in the
> directory of your choice, is via Terminal application, found in
> /Applications/Utilities/. To create the file, type
>
> touch /full/path/to/file.txt
>
> $ touch ~/Desktop/file.txt
>
> $ ls -alF ~/Desktop/file.txt
> -rw-r--r--+ 1 dritz staff 0 Apr 19 21:42 /Users/dritz/Desktop/file.txt
>
> $ file /Users/dritz/Desktop/file.txt
> /Users/dritz/Desktop/file.txt: empty
That's the easiest way eh on a Mac? Did you have a common-sense bypass
> The easiest way I can come up with, to create a new text file, in the
> directory of your choice, is via Terminal application, found in
> /Applications/Utilities/. To create the file, type
>
> touch /full/path/to/file.txt
>
> $ touch ~/Desktop/file.txt
>
> $ ls -alF ~/Desktop/file.txt
> -rw-r--r--+ 1 dritz staff 0 Apr 19 21:42 /Users/dritz/Desktop/file.txt
>
> $ file /Users/dritz/Desktop/file.txt
> /Users/dritz/Desktop/file.txt: empty
at some stage?
--
dorayme
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 19, 2015, 11:56:07 PM4/19/15
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dem...@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote in message
1m36mic.1tmh537z93w6cNMon, 20 Apr 2015 14:58:00 +1200e...@actrix.gen.nz
> They already did, at least three or four times.
Actually, only nospam mentioned that it was in the preferences and not in
the Save As dialog box, which, when I saw that, I changed it for the user
(which may or may not be a good thing if it didn't just *add* the option).
Only after I had changed it, did Jolly Roger mention the same steps.
Nobody else (IIRC) mentioned that you have to unhide a hidden option, just
to get the default text editor to save as ASCII text.
There may be a downside to this though, which is that it may be that the
default text editor, when allowed to save as ASCII text, may be disabled
from saving in any other format (which would be idiotic - but I'll have
to check when I have access to the Macintosh again tomorrow).
> TextEdit defaults to Rich Text Format for new documents. You can change
> its default for new documents to Plain Text, but you probably don't want
> to fiddle with preferences as it isn't your Mac.
I only belatedly realized, from something nospam said, that by adding
the option to save ASCII text, may have concurrently *disabled* the option
to "Save As", which would be a dumb thing, IMHO, if Apple set things up
that way. I'll have to check tomorrow - and - if that's the case, I'll
have to re-hide the hidden option.
But, if that's the case, it'd plain dumb because that means you can do
one or the other, by flipping a few switches, but that would mean there
simply isn't a Save As dialog that includes both.
I'll have to check tomorrow if that's the case.
> Once you have a new document window, you can change the mode for that
> document without affecting the application default, by clicking on the
> Format menu and choosing Make Plain Text (or Make Rich Text to go back
> to rich mode again).
That's a very odd way to do it, if I understand you correctly.
You save as the wrong format, and then you format the wrong format to the
right format?
But, interestingly, if what nospam intimated is correct (that you can't
save as ASCII text *or* something else), then that oddball method may be
the best method I can offer this Macintosh user.
> Once you have the document in plain text mode, you can save a plain text
> file using File > Save. (The Save As dialog then offers a choice of
> various plain text formats, including UTF-16, UTF-8 and various 8-bit
> options with different character sets.)
Oh oh. That's bad news. That's what nospam intimated. So, if I understand
you correctly, this user can't save ASCII text and still have the option
to save as the other formats. That's bad. Very bad. (dumb actually).
So, that means that tomorrow, I'll have to unset the option I set for
this Macintosh user, and then tell the user that they have to save first
into the wrong format, and then format into the right format (I'll have
to test if ASCII text is one of the available right formats though).
I'll test this tomorrow and report back - but this is sure way (way way)
more complex than it needs to be.
It should be as simple as "Save As" having the choice of "ASCII text" as
one of the options (along with the others).
1m36mic.1tmh537z93w6cNMon, 20 Apr 2015 14:58:00 +1200e...@actrix.gen.nz
> They already did, at least three or four times.
the Save As dialog box, which, when I saw that, I changed it for the user
(which may or may not be a good thing if it didn't just *add* the option).
Only after I had changed it, did Jolly Roger mention the same steps.
Nobody else (IIRC) mentioned that you have to unhide a hidden option, just
to get the default text editor to save as ASCII text.
There may be a downside to this though, which is that it may be that the
default text editor, when allowed to save as ASCII text, may be disabled
from saving in any other format (which would be idiotic - but I'll have
to check when I have access to the Macintosh again tomorrow).
> TextEdit defaults to Rich Text Format for new documents. You can change
> its default for new documents to Plain Text, but you probably don't want
> to fiddle with preferences as it isn't your Mac.
the option to save ASCII text, may have concurrently *disabled* the option
to "Save As", which would be a dumb thing, IMHO, if Apple set things up
that way. I'll have to check tomorrow - and - if that's the case, I'll
have to re-hide the hidden option.
But, if that's the case, it'd plain dumb because that means you can do
one or the other, by flipping a few switches, but that would mean there
simply isn't a Save As dialog that includes both.
I'll have to check tomorrow if that's the case.
> Once you have a new document window, you can change the mode for that
> document without affecting the application default, by clicking on the
> Format menu and choosing Make Plain Text (or Make Rich Text to go back
> to rich mode again).
You save as the wrong format, and then you format the wrong format to the
right format?
But, interestingly, if what nospam intimated is correct (that you can't
save as ASCII text *or* something else), then that oddball method may be
the best method I can offer this Macintosh user.
> Once you have the document in plain text mode, you can save a plain text
> file using File > Save. (The Save As dialog then offers a choice of
> various plain text formats, including UTF-16, UTF-8 and various 8-bit
> options with different character sets.)
you correctly, this user can't save ASCII text and still have the option
to save as the other formats. That's bad. Very bad. (dumb actually).
So, that means that tomorrow, I'll have to unset the option I set for
this Macintosh user, and then tell the user that they have to save first
into the wrong format, and then format into the right format (I'll have
to test if ASCII text is one of the available right formats though).
I'll test this tomorrow and report back - but this is sure way (way way)
more complex than it needs to be.
It should be as simple as "Save As" having the choice of "ASCII text" as
one of the options (along with the others).
Savageduck
Apr 19, 2015, 11:59:04 PM4/19/15
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On 2015-04-20 00:40:12 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:
> I tried to help a friend create a simple text file on
> Macintosh OSX 10.9.5 and it was very difficult.
>
> Right clicking didn't have any option to create a text file.
> http://i.imgur.com/RkrcG3M.png
>
> So I had to find an existing text file because I couldn't
> just create an empty text file.
>
> Once I dug around and found a text file, I then found the
> "duplicate" menu, and I duplicated it to "filename copy",
> but was unable to just cut and paste it without duplicating
> it first.
>
> After duplicating it, I was able to cut and paste it so
> that I could put it in the folder where I wanted it to be.
>
> But when I changed the name to a reasonable name to indicate
> it was a text file, the file simply disappeared! (I had named
> it something like filename.txt).
>
> Having no idea what happened to the file I had just named
> filename.txt, I tried again by duplicating and then cutting
> and pasting without a filename extension, to just a file name
> of "save_text".
> http://i.imgur.com/Vp0LkB4.png
>
> Only then (after far too many steps), was I able to have a
> text file in the location I wanted it.
blank, virgin text doc.
Now without typing a single character return to the menu and
*File*(while holding down the alt/option key)->*Save As*. You will see
the save dialog which will let you name this file whatever you choose,
and locate it wherever you want on that computer, in one of several
text formats.
When you open that file it will be what you wanted, a blank text file.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
> I tried to help a friend create a simple text file on
> Macintosh OSX 10.9.5 and it was very difficult.
>
> Right clicking didn't have any option to create a text file.
> http://i.imgur.com/RkrcG3M.png
>
> So I had to find an existing text file because I couldn't
> just create an empty text file.
>
> Once I dug around and found a text file, I then found the
> "duplicate" menu, and I duplicated it to "filename copy",
> but was unable to just cut and paste it without duplicating
> it first.
>
> After duplicating it, I was able to cut and paste it so
> that I could put it in the folder where I wanted it to be.
>
> But when I changed the name to a reasonable name to indicate
> it was a text file, the file simply disappeared! (I had named
> it something like filename.txt).
>
> Having no idea what happened to the file I had just named
> filename.txt, I tried again by duplicating and then cutting
> and pasting without a filename extension, to just a file name
> of "save_text".
> http://i.imgur.com/Vp0LkB4.png
>
> Only then (after far too many steps), was I able to have a
> text file in the location I wanted it.
>
> Since the Mac is different from what I am used to, I am sure
> I am doing something very wrong since it can't be this complex
> to do something as simple as create an empty text file where
> you want it to exist with a file name that indicates it's
> a text file.
>
> Since the Mac is different from what I am used to, I am sure
> I am doing something very wrong since it can't be this complex
> to do something as simple as create an empty text file where
> you want it to exist with a file name that indicates it's
> a text file.
>
> Given the simple goal of
> a) Creating a blank text file
> b) In a desired location
> c) With some indication that it's a text file
> How would a Mac user have done this task?
Open *TextEdit* go to the menu *File*->*New* and there it is a new,
> a) Creating a blank text file
> b) In a desired location
> c) With some indication that it's a text file
> How would a Mac user have done this task?
blank, virgin text doc.
Now without typing a single character return to the menu and
*File*(while holding down the alt/option key)->*Save As*. You will see
the save dialog which will let you name this file whatever you choose,
and locate it wherever you want on that computer, in one of several
text formats.
When you open that file it will be what you wanted, a blank text file.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
Savageduck
Apr 20, 2015, 12:06:10 AM4/20/15
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On 2015-04-20 02:11:47 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420151842061874%mich...@michelle.org
>
>> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
>
> I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
>
> I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
>
> It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something
> as simple and mundane as this.
>
> It shouldn't take more than a dozen steps (see the detailed
> post), which, in the end, still don't result in an ASCII
> text document.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420151842061874%mich...@michelle.org
>
>> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
>
> I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
>
> I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
>
> It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something
> as simple and mundane as this.
>
> It shouldn't take more than a dozen steps (see the detailed
> post), which, in the end, still don't result in an ASCII
> text document.
>
> I must be doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way,
> because the Mac just can't be this hard to use and inefficient).
You must be and it isn't.
> I must be doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way,
> because the Mac just can't be this hard to use and inefficient).
--
Regards,
Savageduck
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 20, 2015, 12:06:34 AM4/20/15
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David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
alpine.OSX.2.20.1...@mako.ath.cx
> None of the options shown will create a plain text document.
Thanks for plainly and clearly explaining that, as it's unintuitive
that the "Save As" dialog box for a default text editor doesn't have
the option to "Save As" ASCII text!
> Open TextEdit. Under the TextEdit menu item, select Preferences....
> In the New Document pane, tick Plain text.
Thanks also for plainly explaining how to unhide the hidden option
for the default text editor to save ASCII text.
What's also unintuive is that David Empson and nospam just intimated
unhiding the hidden option to save ASCII text also disables the option
for the user to "Save As" any other format.
So, unintuitively, the user can't just "Save as" and have the choice of
ASCII text along with the other options.
> You may now save your plain text document, where ever you want. When
> the Save dialog box is open, you can select your text encoding.
> US-ASCII isn't among the default choices, but fear not.
Sadly, what I'm going to have to do, since this isn't my Macintosh, is
re-hide the hidden option, and inform the user (along with some choice
invectives aimed squarely at the morons who devised this idiotic system)
that the best way for this user to save a file from the default Mac
text editor will likely be to use the "Save As" dialog box, and, when
portable ASCII text is desired, to either temporarily set the preference
to unhide the ASCII text option, or, to save as the wrong format, and
then format to the right format (if that's possible).
Since even the most basic capability of a text editor can't be taken
for granted on the Macintosh, I can't even take for granted that the
option to save as the wrong format and then format to the right format
will exist, when I re-hide the ASCII text option that I previously set.
So, I'll have to report back tomorrow if that's even possible, but, either
way, it's a terribly obtused' system, if you ask me for my opinion (and
the poor user will hear me swear to the heavens about having to go through
all this simply to save an ASCII text file using the default text editor!)
alpine.OSX.2.20.1...@mako.ath.cx
> None of the options shown will create a plain text document.
that the "Save As" dialog box for a default text editor doesn't have
the option to "Save As" ASCII text!
> Open TextEdit. Under the TextEdit menu item, select Preferences....
> In the New Document pane, tick Plain text.
for the default text editor to save ASCII text.
What's also unintuive is that David Empson and nospam just intimated
unhiding the hidden option to save ASCII text also disables the option
for the user to "Save As" any other format.
So, unintuitively, the user can't just "Save as" and have the choice of
ASCII text along with the other options.
> You may now save your plain text document, where ever you want. When
> the Save dialog box is open, you can select your text encoding.
> US-ASCII isn't among the default choices, but fear not.
re-hide the hidden option, and inform the user (along with some choice
invectives aimed squarely at the morons who devised this idiotic system)
that the best way for this user to save a file from the default Mac
text editor will likely be to use the "Save As" dialog box, and, when
portable ASCII text is desired, to either temporarily set the preference
to unhide the ASCII text option, or, to save as the wrong format, and
then format to the right format (if that's possible).
Since even the most basic capability of a text editor can't be taken
for granted on the Macintosh, I can't even take for granted that the
option to save as the wrong format and then format to the right format
will exist, when I re-hide the ASCII text option that I previously set.
So, I'll have to report back tomorrow if that's even possible, but, either
way, it's a terribly obtused' system, if you ask me for my opinion (and
the poor user will hear me swear to the heavens about having to go through
all this simply to save an ASCII text file using the default text editor!)
Jolly Roger
Apr 20, 2015, 12:08:08 AM4/20/15
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On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj72jF...@mid.individual.net
>
>> You've already been told, but are refusing to acknowledge it
>
> I'd have to go back to all the posts to be sure, but I think, to date,
> only nospam mentioned *how* to unhide the hidden entry to get the
> default text editor to save as an ASCII text file with a portable
> default filename extension of *.txt.
Bullshit. I told you another simpler way and you ignored it. I repeat:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj72jF...@mid.individual.net
>
>> You've already been told, but are refusing to acknowledge it
>
> I'd have to go back to all the posts to be sure, but I think, to date,
> only nospam mentioned *how* to unhide the hidden entry to get the
> default text editor to save as an ASCII text file with a portable
> default filename extension of *.txt.
1. Open TextEdit.
2. Choose Format > Make Plain Text.
3. Save the file.
Done deal. You chose instead to change the preferences on someone else's
machine, which is more complicated, and is not optimal. Again, it's no
surprise to me that you would choose the worst of solutions.
> The answer to the question is simple once you already know the
> answer, which is that you have to unhide the hidden option to save
> as ASCII text, and then the default text editor saves ASCII text
> files.
choose Format > Make Plain Text before saving.
Jolly Roger
Apr 20, 2015, 12:10:49 AM4/20/15
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On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj6g3...@mid.individual.net
>
>> 1. Open TextEdit.
>> 2. Change Preferences > New Document > Format: Plain text.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Only nospam, up to your post above, had actually explained *how*
> to unhide the hidden option for the default text editor to save as
> portable ASCII text files.
Bullshit. You ignored other responses that told you how to do it.
> cpj6g3...@mid.individual.net
>
>> 1. Open TextEdit.
>> 2. Change Preferences > New Document > Format: Plain text.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Only nospam, up to your post above, had actually explained *how*
> to unhide the hidden option for the default text editor to save as
> portable ASCII text files.
> Now everything is fine.
Not really. You changed preferences on a machine that is not yours. I
told you a simpler and better way but you ignored it.
> What I learned was two important things about Macintosh protocols.
> 1. In most operating system, you have a variety of options of how you
> want to create your ASCII text files but on the Macintosh, one of
> those options doesn't exist.
> 2. In most default text editors (on other operating systems), you can
> immediately save the file as ASCII text but on the Macintosh, you
> have to know to first unhide the hidden option to save ASCII text
> as ASCII text (because the default text editor defaults to RTL).
> Thanks for helping me understand how mac users create text files.
Jolly Roger
Apr 20, 2015, 12:12:35 AM4/20/15
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Jolly Roger
Apr 20, 2015, 12:14:16 AM4/20/15
to
On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> 19042015224650...@nospam.invalid
>
>> once again, the app defaults to rtf, so disable that *in the app*, not
>> the save panel.
>
> It wasn't intuitive that you have to basically turn off the capability
> to Save As, by turning on the capability for the default text editor to
> save ASCII text, but it's done.
Bullshit. Nothing is turned off. And you didn't even have to do that. I
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> 19042015224650...@nospam.invalid
>
>> once again, the app defaults to rtf, so disable that *in the app*, not
>> the save panel.
>
> It wasn't intuitive that you have to basically turn off the capability
> to Save As, by turning on the capability for the default text editor to
> save ASCII text, but it's done.
told you to choose Format > Make Plain Text, but that was too simple for
you, and you wanted to continue your lame troll, so you ignored it and
instead chose the more complicated path of changing default preferences.
Jolly Roger
Apr 20, 2015, 12:14:34 AM4/20/15
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On 2015-04-20, Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <mh1opc$3dm$1...@news.albasani.net>
>> 19042015221637...@nospam.invalid
>
>>>> 14. Up pops a warning:
>>>> You cannot save this document with extension ".txt"
>>>> at the end of the name. The required extension is ".rtf".
>>>
>>> that's because it's rtf. duh.
>
>> So where is the TextEdit option to simply save as ASCII text?
>> http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png
>
> Format menu -> Make Plain Text (Shift-Command-T, IIRC)
Too simple for his simple mind.
> In message <mh1opc$3dm$1...@news.albasani.net>
>> 19042015221637...@nospam.invalid
>
>>>> 14. Up pops a warning:
>>>> You cannot save this document with extension ".txt"
>>>> at the end of the name. The required extension is ".rtf".
>>>
>>> that's because it's rtf. duh.
>
>> So where is the TextEdit option to simply save as ASCII text?
>> http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png
>
> Format menu -> Make Plain Text (Shift-Command-T, IIRC)
Too simple for his simple mind.
Jolly Roger
Apr 20, 2015, 12:20:00 AM4/20/15
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On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> dem...@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote in message
> 1m36mic.1tmh537z93w6cNMon, 20 Apr 2015 14:58:00 +1200e...@actrix.gen.nz
>
>> They already did, at least three or four times.
>
> Actually, only nospam mentioned that it was in the preferences and not in
> the Save As dialog box, which, when I saw that, I changed it for the user
> (which may or may not be a good thing if it didn't just *add* the option).
>
> Only after I had changed it, did Jolly Roger mention the same steps.
No, I mentioned another much simpler way, and you flatly ignored it,
> dem...@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote in message
> 1m36mic.1tmh537z93w6cNMon, 20 Apr 2015 14:58:00 +1200e...@actrix.gen.nz
>
>> They already did, at least three or four times.
>
> Actually, only nospam mentioned that it was in the preferences and not in
> the Save As dialog box, which, when I saw that, I changed it for the user
> (which may or may not be a good thing if it didn't just *add* the option).
>
> Only after I had changed it, did Jolly Roger mention the same steps.
because you want to troll.
> Nobody else (IIRC) mentioned that you have to unhide a hidden option, just
> to get the default text editor to save as ASCII text.
Plain Text before saving. No preferences need to be changed.
>> Once you have a new document window, you can change the mode for that
>> document without affecting the application default, by clicking on the
>> Format menu and choosing Make Plain Text (or Make Rich Text to go back
>> to rich mode again).
>
> That's a very odd way to do it, if I understand you correctly.
> You save as the wrong format, and then you format the wrong format to the
> right format?
Make Plain Text (or Format > Make Rich Text if you wish) and then save
it. Only one save. Simple.
> But, interestingly, if what nospam intimated is correct (that you can't
> save as ASCII text *or* something else), then that oddball method may be
> the best method I can offer this Macintosh user.
>> Once you have the document in plain text mode, you can save a plain text
>> file using File > Save. (The Save As dialog then offers a choice of
>> various plain text formats, including UTF-16, UTF-8 and various 8-bit
>> options with different character sets.)
>
> Oh oh. That's bad news. That's what nospam intimated. So, if I understand
> you correctly, this user can't save ASCII text and still have the option
> to save as the other formats. That's bad. Very bad. (dumb actually).
and save the document accordingly.
> So, that means that tomorrow, I'll have to unset the option I set for
> this Macintosh user, and then tell the user that they have to save first
> into the wrong format, and then format into the right format (I'll have
> to test if ASCII text is one of the available right formats though).
your computer. If you had bothered to read my instructions, you'd have
known that simply choosing Format > Make Plain Text was all that you
needed to do before saving the document.
Savageduck
Apr 20, 2015, 12:20:18 AM4/20/15
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On 2015-04-20 02:36:27 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
> On 2015-04-20, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <mh1od0$3dm$8...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
>> <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> it takes 3 steps:
>>>> launch app
>>>> paste
>>>> save
>>>
>>> And that saves an ASCII text file?
>>
>> if you set the app to text it does.
>>
>> are you even reading what people write??
>
> Part of his modus operandi to ignore what he's been told and instead act
> as if nobody said it while claiming ____ is impossible on OS X / iOS.
Why does this guy have the same modus operandi as another character who
disapproved of the "Apple/Mac" way, and just couldn't figure it out?
That guy also helped little old ladies with their Mac problems, and
taught his entire family that they should do thing his way, and
nym-shifted regularly. I suspect "Adam H. Kerman's" bona fides might be
questionable.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
> On 2015-04-20, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <mh1od0$3dm$8...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
>> <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> it takes 3 steps:
>>>> launch app
>>>> paste
>>>> save
>>>
>>> And that saves an ASCII text file?
>>
>> if you set the app to text it does.
>>
>> are you even reading what people write??
>
> Part of his modus operandi to ignore what he's been told and instead act
> as if nobody said it while claiming ____ is impossible on OS X / iOS.
Why does this guy have the same modus operandi as another character who
disapproved of the "Apple/Mac" way, and just couldn't figure it out?
That guy also helped little old ladies with their Mac problems, and
taught his entire family that they should do thing his way, and
nym-shifted regularly. I suspect "Adam H. Kerman's" bona fides might be
questionable.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 20, 2015, 12:20:52 AM4/20/15
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Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
190420152037478396%mich...@michelle.org
>> It wasn't intuitive that you have to basically turn off the capability
>> to Save As, by turning on the capability for the default text editor to
>> save ASCII text, but it's done.
>
> You don't lose anything.
you *do* (temporarily) lose the capability to Save As whenever you set
the capability to save to ASCII text in the default editor preferences.
It's almost as if Apple made saving ASCII as convoluted & unintuitive as
possible; but, I now think I understand what you folks do every day
to have the option to save *either* as ASCII or some other format
from your default text editor.
You either:
a. Temporarily unhide the preference to save ASCII and then save
the ASCII file and then re-hide the preference to save ASCII.
or, you:
b. Temporarily save as the wrong format (e.g., RTF), and then
you go to the Format menu and then you save into the desired
format (i.e., ASCII text).
Given those are the *only* two options that solve the problem using
the default text editor, I can see now (in spades) why nospam and
others were advising a text editor other than the default TextEdit.
I'll explain to the Mac user tomorrow these (IMHO) idiotic options.
JF Mezei
Apr 20, 2015, 12:21:29 AM4/20/15
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Creating an empty file:
Terminal.App (in utilities)
$ touch Myfilename.txt
done.
Terminal.App (in utilities)
$ touch Myfilename.txt
done.
Jolly Roger
Apr 20, 2015, 12:22:49 AM4/20/15
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On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
> Sadly, what I'm going to have to do, since this isn't my Macintosh, is
> re-hide the hidden option, and inform the user (along with some choice
> invectives aimed squarely at the morons who devised this idiotic system)
> that the best way for this user to save a file from the default Mac
> text editor will likely be to use the "Save As" dialog box, and, when
> portable ASCII text is desired, to either temporarily set the preference
> to unhide the ASCII text option, or, to save as the wrong format, and
> then format to the right format (if that's possible).
For the fucking last time:
>
> Sadly, what I'm going to have to do, since this isn't my Macintosh, is
> re-hide the hidden option, and inform the user (along with some choice
> invectives aimed squarely at the morons who devised this idiotic system)
> that the best way for this user to save a file from the default Mac
> text editor will likely be to use the "Save As" dialog box, and, when
> portable ASCII text is desired, to either temporarily set the preference
> to unhide the ASCII text option, or, to save as the wrong format, and
> then format to the right format (if that's possible).
1. Open TextEdit
2. Choose Format > Make Plain Text (or Make Rich Text).
3. Save the document.
No preferences need be changed.
> Since even the most basic capability of a text editor can't be taken
> for granted on the Macintosh
> I can't even take for granted that the
> option to save as the wrong format and then format to the right format
> will exist, when I re-hide the ASCII text option that I previously set.
>
> So, I'll have to report back tomorrow if that's even possible, but, either
> way, it's a terribly obtused' system, if you ask me for my opinion (and
> the poor user will hear me swear to the heavens about having to go through
> all this simply to save an ASCII text file using the default text editor!)
Jolly Roger
Apr 20, 2015, 12:24:54 AM4/20/15
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JF Mezei
Apr 20, 2015, 12:25:10 AM4/20/15
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On 15-04-19 22:11, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
Then you no longer wabt ab empty text file.
> I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
TextEdit application
Textedit Menu -> Preferences. "New Document" Format = Plain Text.
Save preferences.
Whenebver you want a new file, you start Textedit, File -> New and voila.
For a better plain text editor, look for TextWrangler. Not sure the URL
for download.
Savageduck
Apr 20, 2015, 12:26:57 AM4/20/15
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On 2015-04-20 02:44:54 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> 19042015223307...@nospam.invalid
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>
>>> And that saves an ASCII text file?
>>
>> if you set the app to text it does.
>>
>> are you even reading what people write??
>
> Everyone says that TextEdit can save ASCII text.
>>> And that saves an ASCII text file?
>>
>> if you set the app to text it does.
>>
>> are you even reading what people write??
>
> I'm fine with that.
>
> If someone could just answer this question, we'd be done with this thread.
>
> Which of these options is the TextEdit ASCII text option?
> http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png
Here, for one last time.
Open TextEdit
go to File->New
go to Format->Make Plain Text
Enter all the ASCII you want.
go to File+Option->Save As
and you will see this:
<https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_110.jpg>
--
Regards,
Savageduck
Your Name
Apr 20, 2015, 12:27:47 AM4/20/15
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In article <55347ec8$0$54724$c3e8da3$fdf4...@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Nope, You go to the AppStore and purchase the MyTextFile document for
25c. ;-)
25c. ;-)
Jolly Roger
Apr 20, 2015, 12:31:50 AM4/20/15
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On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420152037478396%mich...@michelle.org
>
>>> It wasn't intuitive that you have to basically turn off the
>>> capability to Save As, by turning on the capability for the default
>>> text editor to save ASCII text, but it's done.
>>
>> You don't lose anything.
>
> Actually, if what nospam, David Empson, and David Ritz said is true,
> you *do* (temporarily) lose the capability to Save As whenever you set
> the capability to save to ASCII text in the default editor
> preferences.
Bullshit:
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420152037478396%mich...@michelle.org
>
>>> It wasn't intuitive that you have to basically turn off the
>>> capability to Save As, by turning on the capability for the default
>>> text editor to save ASCII text, but it's done.
>>
>> You don't lose anything.
>
> Actually, if what nospam, David Empson, and David Ritz said is true,
> you *do* (temporarily) lose the capability to Save As whenever you set
> the capability to save to ASCII text in the default editor
> preferences.
1. Format > Make Plain Text. 2. Save the document.
The only thing that is lost is you - hopelessly.
> It's almost as if Apple made saving ASCII as convoluted & unintuitive
> as possible
default. And you have chosen to ignore the simple Format > Make Plain
Text menu command.
>; but, I now think I understand what you folks do every day to have the
>option to save *either* as ASCII or some other format from your default
>text editor.
> You either: a. Temporarily unhide the preference to save ASCII and
> then save the ASCII file and then re-hide the preference to save
> ASCII.
>
> or, you:
>
> b. Temporarily save as the wrong format (e.g., RTF), and then you go
> to the Format menu and then you save into the desired format (i.e.,
> ASCII text).
set the format, dummy. Set the format, and then save. Duh.
Also, you missed a third option (which is actually what most people do):
Use a better (and free) plain text editor, such as TextWrangler.
> Given those are the *only* two options that solve the problem using
> the default text editor
> I can see now (in spades) why nospam and others were advising a text
> editor other than the default TextEdit.
*many* more features that are designed with plain text editing in mind,
while TextEdit features are mostly designed for rich text. Apparently
nobody ever taught you to use the right tool for the job.
> I'll explain to the Mac user tomorrow these (IMHO) idiotic options.
dorayme
Apr 20, 2015, 12:33:47 AM4/20/15
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In article <55347fa4$0$4647$b1db1813$46de...@news.astraweb.com>,
Text, if it is defaulted to Rich Text, or choose Rich Text if it is
defaulted to Plain.
If you know the default, you can change it for the doc you are working
on via the Format menu or simply Shift Command T.
--
dorayme
JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> TextEdit application
> Textedit Menu -> Preferences. "New Document" Format = Plain Text.
> Save preferences.
>
> Whenebver you want a new file, you start Textedit, File -> New and voila.
On my TextEdit on SL, you can go to the Format menu and choose Plain
> TextEdit application
> Textedit Menu -> Preferences. "New Document" Format = Plain Text.
> Save preferences.
>
> Whenebver you want a new file, you start Textedit, File -> New and voila.
Text, if it is defaulted to Rich Text, or choose Rich Text if it is
defaulted to Plain.
If you know the default, you can change it for the doc you are working
on via the Format menu or simply Shift Command T.
--
dorayme
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 20, 2015, 12:34:23 AM4/20/15
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Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpjcol...@mid.individual.net
> Bullshit. Nothing is turned off.
the default text editor to save either to ASCII or as one of the other formats.
As I noted, I will test this tomorrow, but from what David Empson (et al.)
intimated, I will advise the user that there are only two options when using
the default text editor to save to ASCII text files and still have the
option to save to the other available formats.
Either the Mac user temporarily saves to the wrong format and then formats
to the desired format, or the Mac user temporarily sets the preferences to
save to ASCII and then immediately unsets those preferences which then
turns back on the ability to save as the other available formats.
It's amazing what the Mac users put up with, but, certainly I see now
(in spades) why nospam (et al.) suggested a different text editor than
the default.
David Ritz
Apr 20, 2015, 12:35:48 AM4/20/15
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step, or even two step solution. ;)
The solution Adam appears to have ended up using, TextEdit.app,
required many, not necessarily intuitive steps. IIRC, I'm the only
person to point out that his specific request for ASCII encoding
required changing yet another default, as TextEdit defaults to UTF-8
(good), but ASCII isn't even among the default choices available, in
the application's Save as dialog.
Of course, I understand that he should have been asking about plain
text, rather than a quite specific ASCII text encoding, as these are
different concepts.
Do you have a problem with a simple, quite straight forward way of
creating an empty text file, as requested. After it's been created,
double-clicking on that file will, by default, open as a plain text
file, in TextEdit, for editing.
(Here, it will open in BBEdit 11.0.3, as it is configured as _my_
default GUI text editor. Rich text files still open in TextEdit, by
default.)
--
David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com>
Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.
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On Monday, 20 April 2015 13:52 +1000,
in article <do_ray_me-0B012...@aioe.org>,
dorayme <do_r...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1...@mako.ath.cx>,
> David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> The easiest way I can come up with, to create a new text file, in
>> the directory of your choice, is via Terminal application, found in
>> /Applications/Utilities/. To create the file, type
>> touch /full/path/to/file.txt
> In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1...@mako.ath.cx>,
> David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> The easiest way I can come up with, to create a new text file, in
>> the directory of your choice, is via Terminal application, found in
>> /Applications/Utilities/. To create the file, type
>> touch /full/path/to/file.txt
> That's the easiest way eh on a Mac? Did you have a common-sense
> bypass at some stage?
Criticize all you like, but I've yet to see anyone else offer a one
> bypass at some stage?
step, or even two step solution. ;)
The solution Adam appears to have ended up using, TextEdit.app,
required many, not necessarily intuitive steps. IIRC, I'm the only
person to point out that his specific request for ASCII encoding
required changing yet another default, as TextEdit defaults to UTF-8
(good), but ASCII isn't even among the default choices available, in
the application's Save as dialog.
Of course, I understand that he should have been asking about plain
text, rather than a quite specific ASCII text encoding, as these are
different concepts.
Do you have a problem with a simple, quite straight forward way of
creating an empty text file, as requested. After it's been created,
double-clicking on that file will, by default, open as a plain text
file, in TextEdit, for editing.
(Here, it will open in BBEdit 11.0.3, as it is configured as _my_
default GUI text editor. Rich text files still open in TextEdit, by
default.)
--
David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com>
Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.
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Savageduck
Apr 20, 2015, 12:37:14 AM4/20/15
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On 2015-04-20 03:56:05 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:
> dem...@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote in message
> 1m36mic.1tmh537z93w6cNMon, 20 Apr 2015 14:58:00 +1200e...@actrix.gen.nz
>
>> They already did, at least three or four times.
>
> Actually, only nospam mentioned th...
> dem...@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote in message
> 1m36mic.1tmh537z93w6cNMon, 20 Apr 2015 14:58:00 +1200e...@actrix.gen.nz
>
>> They already did, at least three or four times.
>
Damn! Why do I think you are Liam O'Connor, Alphonse, Arnaud, Danny
Diamico, Juan Camillo Blanco, Vinny P, et al wearing another sock?
--
Regards,
Savageduck
Jolly Roger
Apr 20, 2015, 12:41:29 AM4/20/15
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On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>> Bullshit. Nothing is turned off. And you didn't even have to do that.
>> I told you to choose Format > Make Plain Text, but that was too
>> simple for you, and you wanted to continue your lame troll, so you
>> ignored it and instead chose the more complicated path of changing
>> default preferences.
>
>> I told you to choose Format > Make Plain Text, but that was too
>> simple for you, and you wanted to continue your lame troll, so you
>> ignored it and instead chose the more complicated path of changing
>> default preferences.
>
> Thanks, in part to you, I better understand what Mac users do when
> using the default text editor to save either to ASCII or as one of the
> other formats.
Nope, you still don't get it. You are either extremely dense, or you are
> using the default text editor to save either to ASCII or as one of the
> other formats.
trolling.
> As I noted, I will test this tomorrow, but from what David Empson (et
> al.) intimated, I will advise the user that there are only two options
> when using the default text editor to save to ASCII text files and
> still have the option to save to the other available formats.
>
> Either the Mac user temporarily saves to the wrong format and then
> formats to the desired format,
There is absolutely no reason to save to the wrong format. All you need
to do is choose Format > Make Plain|Rich Text from the menu bar before
you save the document. Done deal.
> or the Mac user temporarily sets the preferences to save to ASCII and
> then immediately unsets those preferences which then turns back on the
> ability to save as the other available formats.
Plain|Rich Text before you save the document. Done deal.
> It's amazing what the Mac users put up with
trolls. You're a clueless idiot.
> but, certainly I see now (in spades) why nospam (et al.) suggested a
> different text editor than the default.
plain text editing while TextEdit's features are design primarily for
rich text.
Michelle Steiner
Apr 20, 2015, 12:42:23 AM4/20/15
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In article <mh1tcl$i5o$6...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
> > Once you have the document in plain text mode, you can save a plain text
> > file using File > Save. (The Save As dialog then offers a choice of
> > various plain text formats, including UTF-16, UTF-8 and various 8-bit
> > options with different character sets.)
>
> Oh oh. That's bad news. That's what nospam intimated. So, if I
> understand you correctly, this user can't save ASCII text and still
> have the option to save as the other formats.
No, you do not understand correctly.
> So, that means that tomorrow, I'll have to unset the option I set for
> this Macintosh user, and then tell the user that they have to save first
> into the wrong format, and then format into the right format (I'll have
> to test if ASCII text is one of the available right formats though).
Why in the world would you do that when it is completely unnecessary
and counterproductive?
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> I only belatedly realized, from something nospam said, that by adding
> the option to save ASCII text, may have concurrently *disabled* the option
> to "Save As"
You realized no such thing; where do you get such idiotic notions?
> I only belatedly realized, from something nospam said, that by adding
> the option to save ASCII text, may have concurrently *disabled* the option
> to "Save As"
> > Once you have the document in plain text mode, you can save a plain text
> > file using File > Save. (The Save As dialog then offers a choice of
> > various plain text formats, including UTF-16, UTF-8 and various 8-bit
> > options with different character sets.)
>
> Oh oh. That's bad news. That's what nospam intimated. So, if I
> understand you correctly, this user can't save ASCII text and still
> have the option to save as the other formats.
> So, that means that tomorrow, I'll have to unset the option I set for
> this Macintosh user, and then tell the user that they have to save first
> into the wrong format, and then format into the right format (I'll have
> to test if ASCII text is one of the available right formats though).
and counterproductive?
Savageduck
Apr 20, 2015, 12:42:27 AM4/20/15
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On 2015-04-20 04:06:33 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:
> David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> alpine.OSX.2.20.1...@mako.ath.cx
>
>> None of the options shown will create a plain text document.
>
> Thanks for plainly and clearly explaining that, as it's unintuitive
> that the "Save As" dialog box for a default text editor doesn't have
> the option to "Save As" ASCII text!
Do you not understand that if you do not format the text as PLAIN TEXT
> David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> alpine.OSX.2.20.1...@mako.ath.cx
>
>> None of the options shown will create a plain text document.
>
> Thanks for plainly and clearly explaining that, as it's unintuitive
> that the "Save As" dialog box for a default text editor doesn't have
> the option to "Save As" ASCII text!
you will only be able to save as a file type which will read a RICH
TEXT format.
You do not have to go into preferences, just go to the menu, and click
on *Format* and you can toggle between PLAIN TEXT and RICH TEXT.
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Regards,
Savageduck
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 20, 2015, 12:43:17 AM4/20/15
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Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpjd3d...@mid.individual.net
> No, I mentioned another much simpler way, and you flatly ignored it,
> because you want to troll.
Mac users apparently endure in order to have both the option of saving
to ASCII text and the option of Saving As other formats, at the same
time, from the default text editor.
These Mac users either:
a. Temporarily save to the wrong format, and then convert the file to
the desired format, or, the Mac users...
b. Temporarily unhide the "Save To ASCII" option in the preferences,
then they save the file to ASCII, and then they re-hide the ASCII
option in the preferences.
Those are the *only* two ways that have been suggested for using the
default text editor. Of those two methods, yes, I agree with you.
Option (a) is clearly simpler than option (b).
Jolly Roger
Apr 20, 2015, 12:43:57 AM4/20/15
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On 2015-04-20, David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> On Monday, 20 April 2015 13:52 +1000,
> in article <do_ray_me-0B012...@aioe.org>,
> dorayme <do_r...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1...@mako.ath.cx>,
>> David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>> The easiest way I can come up with, to create a new text file, in
>>> the directory of your choice, is via Terminal application, found in
>>> /Applications/Utilities/. To create the file, type
>
>>> touch /full/path/to/file.txt
>
>> That's the easiest way eh on a Mac? Did you have a common-sense
>> bypass at some stage?
>
> Criticize all you like, but I've yet to see anyone else offer a one
> step, or even two step solution. ;)
In TextEdit:
>
> On Monday, 20 April 2015 13:52 +1000,
> in article <do_ray_me-0B012...@aioe.org>,
> dorayme <do_r...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1...@mako.ath.cx>,
>> David Ritz <dr...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>> The easiest way I can come up with, to create a new text file, in
>>> the directory of your choice, is via Terminal application, found in
>>> /Applications/Utilities/. To create the file, type
>
>>> touch /full/path/to/file.txt
>
>> That's the easiest way eh on a Mac? Did you have a common-sense
>> bypass at some stage?
>
> Criticize all you like, but I've yet to see anyone else offer a one
> step, or even two step solution. ;)
1. Choose Format > Make Plain Text.
2. Save.
Good enough for me.
> The solution Adam appears to have ended up using, TextEdit.app,
> required many, not necessarily intuitive steps.
> IIRC, I'm the only
> person to point out that his specific request for ASCII encoding
> required changing yet another default, as TextEdit defaults to UTF-8
> (good), but ASCII isn't even among the default choices available, in
> the application's Save as dialog.
saving the document. No preferences needed to be changed.
Jolly Roger
Apr 20, 2015, 12:44:13 AM4/20/15
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Michelle Steiner
Apr 20, 2015, 12:46:28 AM4/20/15
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In article <mh1vkd$i5o$9...@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
> It's amazing what the Mac users put up with, but, certainly I see now
> (in spades) why nospam (et al.) suggested a different text editor than
> the default.
It is amazing that we put up with you. You are either deliberately
misconstruing what we have been telling you, or you are too stupid to
understand what we have been telling you.
Stop trying to help people with Macintosh problems or questions; you
are totally unqualified to help them.
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> Either the Mac user temporarily saves to the wrong format and then formats
> to the desired format, or the Mac user temporarily sets the preferences to
> save to ASCII and then immediately unsets those preferences which then
> turns back on the ability to save as the other available formats.
That is totally untrue.
> Either the Mac user temporarily saves to the wrong format and then formats
> to the desired format, or the Mac user temporarily sets the preferences to
> save to ASCII and then immediately unsets those preferences which then
> turns back on the ability to save as the other available formats.
> It's amazing what the Mac users put up with, but, certainly I see now
> (in spades) why nospam (et al.) suggested a different text editor than
> the default.
misconstruing what we have been telling you, or you are too stupid to
understand what we have been telling you.
Stop trying to help people with Macintosh problems or questions; you
are totally unqualified to help them.
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 20, 2015, 12:47:21 AM4/20/15
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Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in message
slrnmj8t1d....@amelia.local
>>> it takes 3 steps:
>>> launch app paste save
>
Actually, I know know how it works, based on what David Empson (et al.)
intimated, which is that it's far more steps if you *also* want to
preserve the option to save *as* other formats in addition to being able
to save *to* ASCII.
Basically, the use model the Mac users employ with the default text
editor to enable *either* ASCII text or the other available formats is
either to temporarily save to the wrong format and then convert to the
desired ASCII format, or, to temporarily set the preferences to only save
to ASCII text, and then unset the preferences once done.
Given that seems to be what everyone is intimating, there are far more
than three steps if you want to preserve your options.
However, I do agree, if you give up on your options, you can manage to
get the default text editor to save to ASCII text in just 3 steps.
slrnmj8t1d....@amelia.local
>>> it takes 3 steps:
>>> launch app paste save
>
>> And that saves an ASCII text file?
>
> Yes.
>
Actually, I know know how it works, based on what David Empson (et al.)
intimated, which is that it's far more steps if you *also* want to
preserve the option to save *as* other formats in addition to being able
to save *to* ASCII.
Basically, the use model the Mac users employ with the default text
editor to enable *either* ASCII text or the other available formats is
either to temporarily save to the wrong format and then convert to the
desired ASCII format, or, to temporarily set the preferences to only save
to ASCII text, and then unset the preferences once done.
Given that seems to be what everyone is intimating, there are far more
than three steps if you want to preserve your options.
However, I do agree, if you give up on your options, you can manage to
get the default text editor to save to ASCII text in just 3 steps.
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