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Jim
Dec 15, 2011, 5:02:09 PM12/15/11
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Once upon a time, I asked edwin where you would find the electron in a
hydrogen atom. Rather than answer, he responded by harping,
trumpeting,and singing that I didn't know and furthermore, had no way of
knowing. (Moving the goalposts so-to-speak).
Of course I was reminded of this while watching Physicist Brian Green on
Nova the other day about such matters, or does the answer lie in the
clue/hint I gave edwin that he conveniently ignored? I suspect the
latter.
--
Jim
hydrogen atom. Rather than answer, he responded by harping,
trumpeting,and singing that I didn't know and furthermore, had no way of
knowing. (Moving the goalposts so-to-speak).
Of course I was reminded of this while watching Physicist Brian Green on
Nova the other day about such matters, or does the answer lie in the
clue/hint I gave edwin that he conveniently ignored? I suspect the
latter.
--
Jim
Alan Baker
Dec 15, 2011, 5:04:25 PM12/15/11
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In article <j.polaski-579D8...@news.newsguy.com>,
Jim...
...Edwin has long since crawled away.
--
"The iPhone doesn't have...
...well, since Edwin seems to have finally crawled away for good,
I guess I'll let him off the hook
...Edwin has long since crawled away.
--
"The iPhone doesn't have...
...well, since Edwin seems to have finally crawled away for good,
I guess I'll let him off the hook
Chance Furlong
Dec 15, 2011, 7:46:09 PM12/15/11
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On 12/15/11 4:04 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article<j.polaski-579D8...@news.newsguy.com>,
> Jim<j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Once upon a time, I asked Edwin where you would find the electron in a
> In article<j.polaski-579D8...@news.newsguy.com>,
> Jim<j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> hydrogen atom. Rather than answer, he responded by harping,
>> trumpeting,and singing that I didn't know and furthermore, had no way of
>> knowing. (Moving the goalposts so to speak).
>> trumpeting,and singing that I didn't know and furthermore, had no way of
>>
>> Of course I was reminded of this while watching Physicist Brian Green on
>> Nova the other day about such matters, or does the answer lie in the
>> clue/hint I gave Edwin that he conveniently ignored? I suspect the
>> Of course I was reminded of this while watching Physicist Brian Green on
>> Nova the other day about such matters, or does the answer lie in the
>> latter.
>
> Jim, Edwin has long since crawled away.
What has happened to Edwin? Was he a Mac advocate years ago before
turning troll?
Alan Baker
Dec 15, 2011, 7:49:56 PM12/15/11
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In article <_-KdnV_83NlMCXfTn...@giganews.com>,
Yup.
And then he bought a Performa 6400 and a brouhaha ensued...
...and he basically started using PCs to spite the people he'd come to
dislike because they defeated his arguments so soundly.
In this, Nicolas is starting to resemble Edwin. I know that Apple Mail
can both request and respond to requests for read receipts. I know this
because I've actually got it doing those things right now. But Nicolas
now as such a mad-on for me that he is insisting he has "proved with
rigor" that it cannot do things that in reality it can.
And then he bought a Performa 6400 and a brouhaha ensued...
...and he basically started using PCs to spite the people he'd come to
dislike because they defeated his arguments so soundly.
In this, Nicolas is starting to resemble Edwin. I know that Apple Mail
can both request and respond to requests for read receipts. I know this
because I've actually got it doing those things right now. But Nicolas
now as such a mad-on for me that he is insisting he has "proved with
rigor" that it cannot do things that in reality it can.
MuahMan
Dec 15, 2011, 8:15:45 PM12/15/11
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Edwin mindfucked Alan Baker so hard it's hysterical. Guy hasn't been
here in who knows how long and Alan still talks about him every day.
Not to mention his signature. He clubbed Alan like a baby seal. Left
Alan for dead, got bored, and left. It's nearly as much in here as it
used to be. All we have is Lloyd, KDT, and Alan, and ocassionally that
Sandman douche who is on the same level as Jimmy Lee Jr. All you need
to know is that those guys are Mac users, that alone should make NEVER
want to use or own one.
here in who knows how long and Alan still talks about him every day.
Not to mention his signature. He clubbed Alan like a baby seal. Left
Alan for dead, got bored, and left. It's nearly as much in here as it
used to be. All we have is Lloyd, KDT, and Alan, and ocassionally that
Sandman douche who is on the same level as Jimmy Lee Jr. All you need
to know is that those guys are Mac users, that alone should make NEVER
want to use or own one.
Chance Furlong
Dec 15, 2011, 8:33:45 PM12/15/11
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MuahMan
Dec 15, 2011, 8:48:46 PM12/15/11
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more than he admitted. It was just you awesome Mac advocates being so
fucking stupid and irritating that made him hate Apple computers. Same
as me. Wandered in here 10 years ago with NO opinion on Apple stuff as
I had never seen it other than to throw all the Motorola macs in the
dumpster. You guys are so cultish and assholish I too hate the Mac for
life.
Tommy Troll
Dec 15, 2011, 10:53:04 PM12/15/11
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:02:09 -0600, Jim <j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net>
wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital
wrote:
Jim
Dec 16, 2011, 12:49:03 AM12/16/11
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In article <alangbaker-B859B...@news.shawcable.net>,
--
Jim
Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article <j.polaski-579D8...@news.newsguy.com>,
> Jim <j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Once upon a time, I asked edwin where you would find the electron in a
> > hydrogen atom. Rather than answer, he responded by harping,
> > trumpeting,and singing that I didn't know and furthermore, had no way of
> > knowing. (Moving the goalposts so-to-speak).
> >
> > Of course I was reminded of this while watching Physicist Brian Green on
> > Nova the other day about such matters, or does the answer lie in the
> > clue/hint I gave edwin that he conveniently ignored? I suspect the
> > latter.
>
> Jim...
>
> ...Edwin has long since crawled away.
I know Alan but the show brought back his flailing.
> In article <j.polaski-579D8...@news.newsguy.com>,
> Jim <j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Once upon a time, I asked edwin where you would find the electron in a
> > hydrogen atom. Rather than answer, he responded by harping,
> > trumpeting,and singing that I didn't know and furthermore, had no way of
> > knowing. (Moving the goalposts so-to-speak).
> >
> > Of course I was reminded of this while watching Physicist Brian Green on
> > Nova the other day about such matters, or does the answer lie in the
> > clue/hint I gave edwin that he conveniently ignored? I suspect the
> > latter.
>
> Jim...
>
> ...Edwin has long since crawled away.
--
Jim
Jim
Dec 16, 2011, 12:50:00 AM12/16/11
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In article <p4gle716fgjqcsji4...@4ax.com>,
Glad you showed us you can use Wikipedia rather than your own words.
--
Jim
--
Jim
Nashton
Dec 16, 2011, 6:44:22 AM12/16/11
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On 11-12-15 8:49 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article<_-KdnV_83NlMCXfTn...@giganews.com>,
I still use Macs and am loving it. Which makes me nothing like Edwin.
Move on Baker.
You lost an argument you didn't even understand in the first place.
I'm sure you can beg a few more people to send them emails, get to it ;)
> In article<_-KdnV_83NlMCXfTn...@giganews.com>,
Move on Baker.
You lost an argument you didn't even understand in the first place.
I'm sure you can beg a few more people to send them emails, get to it ;)
Brian Prett
Dec 16, 2011, 6:50:08 AM12/16/11
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> > In article<_-KdnV_83NlMCXfTnZ2dnUVZ_sCdn...@giganews.com>,
> >>> In article<j.polaski-579D81.16020915122...@news.newsguy.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
You got him to take the time to do all that. LOL You're in his head as
deep as Edwin was.
> >>> In article<j.polaski-579D81.16020915122...@news.newsguy.com>,
> >>> Jim<j.pola...@NOSpaMcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> >>>> Once upon a time, I asked Edwin where you would find the electron in a
> >>>> hydrogen atom. Rather than answer, he responded by harping,
> >>>> trumpeting,and singing that I didn't know and furthermore, had no way of
> >>>> knowing. (Moving the goalposts so to speak).
>
> >>>> Of course I was reminded of this while watching Physicist Brian Green on
> >>>> Nova the other day about such matters, or does the answer lie in the
> >>>> clue/hint I gave Edwin that he conveniently ignored? I suspect the
> >>>> latter.
>
> >>> Jim, Edwin has long since crawled away.
>
> >> What has happened to Edwin? Was he a Mac advocate years ago before
> >> turning troll?
>
> > Yup.
>
> > And then he bought a Performa 6400 and a brouhaha ensued...
>
> > ...and he basically started using PCs to spite the people he'd come to
> > dislike because they defeated his arguments so soundly.
>
> > In this, Nicolas is starting to resemble Edwin. I know that Apple Mail
> > can both request and respond to requests for read receipts. I know this
> > because I've actually got it doing those things right now. But Nicolas
> > now as such a mad-on for me that he is insisting he has "proved with
> > rigor" that it cannot do things that in reality it can.
>
> I still use Macs and am loving it. Which makes me nothing like Edwin.
>
> Move on Baker.
> You lost an argument you didn't even understand in the first place.
> I'm sure you can beg a few more people to send them emails, get to it ;)- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>> Once upon a time, I asked Edwin where you would find the electron in a
> >>>> hydrogen atom. Rather than answer, he responded by harping,
> >>>> trumpeting,and singing that I didn't know and furthermore, had no way of
> >>>> knowing. (Moving the goalposts so to speak).
>
> >>>> Of course I was reminded of this while watching Physicist Brian Green on
> >>>> Nova the other day about such matters, or does the answer lie in the
> >>>> clue/hint I gave Edwin that he conveniently ignored? I suspect the
> >>>> latter.
>
> >>> Jim, Edwin has long since crawled away.
>
> >> What has happened to Edwin? Was he a Mac advocate years ago before
> >> turning troll?
>
> > Yup.
>
> > And then he bought a Performa 6400 and a brouhaha ensued...
>
> > ...and he basically started using PCs to spite the people he'd come to
> > dislike because they defeated his arguments so soundly.
>
> > In this, Nicolas is starting to resemble Edwin. I know that Apple Mail
> > can both request and respond to requests for read receipts. I know this
> > because I've actually got it doing those things right now. But Nicolas
> > now as such a mad-on for me that he is insisting he has "proved with
> > rigor" that it cannot do things that in reality it can.
>
> I still use Macs and am loving it. Which makes me nothing like Edwin.
>
> Move on Baker.
> You lost an argument you didn't even understand in the first place.
>
> - Show quoted text -
You got him to take the time to do all that. LOL You're in his head as
deep as Edwin was.
Sandman
Dec 16, 2011, 7:08:38 AM12/16/11
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In article <jcfaul$3em$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
wrote:
> I still use Macs and am loving it. Which makes me nothing like Edwin.
What made Edwin wasn't his platform choice, but his stupidity, which
you certainly share with him.
> Move on Baker.
> You lost an argument you didn't even understand in the first place.
> I'm sure you can beg a few more people to send them emails, get to it ;)
--
Sandman[.net]
wrote:
> I still use Macs and am loving it. Which makes me nothing like Edwin.
you certainly share with him.
> Move on Baker.
> You lost an argument you didn't even understand in the first place.
> I'm sure you can beg a few more people to send them emails, get to it ;)
Sandman[.net]
Tommy Troll
Dec 16, 2011, 12:26:34 PM12/16/11
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:50:00 -0600, Jim <j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net>
wrote:
It's just quicker to post a link than type all that stuff out. Yes, I
do know a bit about electron "orbits", the uncertainty principle,
quantum effects, etc. Read a few books on all that a while ago.
Anyway, knowing how to find answers is more important that knowing the
answers. If you have to depend on what you know, well that is very
limiting. If you are willing and able to go find answers, and have the
intellectual framework built to understand those answers, or do more
research until you understand, your horizons are unlimited. I would
fall into that latter category.
Dr. Elam
wrote:
do know a bit about electron "orbits", the uncertainty principle,
quantum effects, etc. Read a few books on all that a while ago.
Anyway, knowing how to find answers is more important that knowing the
answers. If you have to depend on what you know, well that is very
limiting. If you are willing and able to go find answers, and have the
intellectual framework built to understand those answers, or do more
research until you understand, your horizons are unlimited. I would
fall into that latter category.
Dr. Elam
Jim
Dec 16, 2011, 1:38:45 PM12/16/11
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In article <r9vme75a0arhd5b02...@4ax.com>,
>
> Anyway, knowing how to find answers is more important that knowing the
> answers. If you have to depend on what you know, well that is very
> limiting. If you are willing and able to go find answers, and have the
> intellectual framework built to understand those answers, or do more
> research until you understand, your horizons are unlimited. I would
> fall into that latter category.
Certainly very true Dr.Tom, but why look for and post a link when if one
does know, a simple sentence suffices?
>
> Dr. Elam
--
Jim
Tommy Troll <tom....@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:50:00 -0600, Jim <j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <p4gle716fgjqcsji4...@4ax.com>,
> > Tommy Troll <tom....@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:02:09 -0600, Jim <j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Once upon a time, I asked edwin where you would find the electron in a
> >> >hydrogen atom. Rather than answer, he responded by harping,
> >> >trumpeting,and singing that I didn't know and furthermore, had no way of
> >> >knowing. (Moving the goalposts so-to-speak).
> >> >
> >> >Of course I was reminded of this while watching Physicist Brian Green on
> >> >Nova the other day about such matters, or does the answer lie in the
> >> >clue/hint I gave edwin that he conveniently ignored? I suspect the
> >> >latter.
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital
> >
> >Glad you showed us you can use Wikipedia rather than your own words.
>
> It's just quicker to post a link than type all that stuff out. Yes, I
> do know a bit about electron "orbits", the uncertainty principle,
> quantum effects, etc. Read a few books on all that a while ago.
If so, then ONE Short Sentence would have been sufficient.
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:50:00 -0600, Jim <j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <p4gle716fgjqcsji4...@4ax.com>,
> > Tommy Troll <tom....@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:02:09 -0600, Jim <j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Once upon a time, I asked edwin where you would find the electron in a
> >> >hydrogen atom. Rather than answer, he responded by harping,
> >> >trumpeting,and singing that I didn't know and furthermore, had no way of
> >> >knowing. (Moving the goalposts so-to-speak).
> >> >
> >> >Of course I was reminded of this while watching Physicist Brian Green on
> >> >Nova the other day about such matters, or does the answer lie in the
> >> >clue/hint I gave edwin that he conveniently ignored? I suspect the
> >> >latter.
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital
> >
> >Glad you showed us you can use Wikipedia rather than your own words.
>
> It's just quicker to post a link than type all that stuff out. Yes, I
> do know a bit about electron "orbits", the uncertainty principle,
> quantum effects, etc. Read a few books on all that a while ago.
>
> Anyway, knowing how to find answers is more important that knowing the
> answers. If you have to depend on what you know, well that is very
> limiting. If you are willing and able to go find answers, and have the
> intellectual framework built to understand those answers, or do more
> research until you understand, your horizons are unlimited. I would
> fall into that latter category.
does know, a simple sentence suffices?
>
> Dr. Elam
--
Jim
Alan Baker
Dec 16, 2011, 2:50:22 PM12/16/11
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I got an email last night that contained a request for a read receipt
and Apple Mail informed me that it contained one and asked if I wanted
to send one.
That is the fact. You're ignoring this fact and insisting you've
"proved" ("with rigor" no less!) that Apple Mail cannot do this in the
face of a reality that it does do this.
That makes you JUST LIKE Edwin.
:-)
>
> Move on Baker.
> You lost an argument you didn't even understand in the first place.
> I'm sure you can beg a few more people to send them emails, get to it ;)
Nope. Even the people with whom I'm normally at odds agree with me that
> Move on Baker.
> You lost an argument you didn't even understand in the first place.
> I'm sure you can beg a few more people to send them emails, get to it ;)
you're out to lunch on this Nicolas, and as HH pointed out, you were
offered for a very reasonable price with no risk to you at all if it
didn't work a solution for a problem you claimed was such a big deal for
you that you were going to use Parallels just for Windows Live Mail.
Turning down that offer makes you the new Edwin.
:-)
Tommy Troll
Dec 16, 2011, 3:11:44 PM12/16/11
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:38:45 -0600, Jim <j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net>
Because I like baiting you
Jim
Dec 17, 2011, 1:00:13 AM12/17/11
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In article <pe9ne75gf3n038ce2...@4ax.com>,
IF you call that "baiting," I think the Phd program failed you.
--
Jim
--
Jim
Nashton
Dec 17, 2011, 7:14:57 AM12/17/11
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On 11-12-17 2:00 AM, Jim wrote:
>>>>> Glad you showed us you can use Wikipedia rather than your own words.
>>>>
>>>> It's just quicker to post a link than type all that stuff out. Yes, I
>>>> do know a bit about electron "orbits", the uncertainty principle,
>>>> quantum effects, etc. Read a few books on all that a while ago.
>>>
>>> If so, then ONE Short Sentence would have been sufficient.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, knowing how to find answers is more important that knowing the
>>>> answers. If you have to depend on what you know, well that is very
>>>> limiting. If you are willing and able to go find answers, and have the
>>>> intellectual framework built to understand those answers, or do more
>>>> research until you understand, your horizons are unlimited. I would
>>>> fall into that latter category.
>>>
>>> Certainly very true Dr.Tom, but why look for and post a link when if one
>>> does know, a simple sentence suffices?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Elam
>>
>> Because I like baiting you
>
> IF you call that "baiting," I think the Phd program failed you.
>
Of course it did;)
>>>>> Glad you showed us you can use Wikipedia rather than your own words.
>>>>
>>>> It's just quicker to post a link than type all that stuff out. Yes, I
>>>> do know a bit about electron "orbits", the uncertainty principle,
>>>> quantum effects, etc. Read a few books on all that a while ago.
>>>
>>> If so, then ONE Short Sentence would have been sufficient.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, knowing how to find answers is more important that knowing the
>>>> answers. If you have to depend on what you know, well that is very
>>>> limiting. If you are willing and able to go find answers, and have the
>>>> intellectual framework built to understand those answers, or do more
>>>> research until you understand, your horizons are unlimited. I would
>>>> fall into that latter category.
>>>
>>> Certainly very true Dr.Tom, but why look for and post a link when if one
>>> does know, a simple sentence suffices?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Elam
>>
>> Because I like baiting you
>
> IF you call that "baiting," I think the Phd program failed you.
>
And maybe one of these days, Tom will let you tie his shoe laces or even
lick his feet.
Tommy Troll
Dec 17, 2011, 8:43:58 AM12/17/11
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 00:00:13 -0600, Jim <j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net>
I threw the line in, you bit on it.
Me troll, you fish
Me troll, you fish
Jim
Dec 18, 2011, 2:09:14 AM12/18/11
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In article <237pe790mgdqkae4j...@4ax.com>,
NOt hardly tommie, you only proved you can use a search engine and not
that you know. Sounds almost like edwin.
--
Jim
that you know. Sounds almost like edwin.
--
Jim
Paulie Satellite
Dec 18, 2011, 1:42:19 PM12/18/11
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"MuahMan" wrote in message
news:39ddc5b3-626b-4b57...@l19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>Edwin mindfucked Alan Baker so hard it's hysterical. Guy hasn't been
>here in who knows how long and Alan still talks about him every day.
>Not to mention his signature. He clubbed Alan like a baby seal. Left
>Alan for dead, got bored, and left.
why he won't respond to the both of you.
Tommy Troll
Dec 19, 2011, 10:24:15 AM12/19/11
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On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 01:09:14 -0600, Jim <j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net>
wrote:
>> Me troll, you fish
>
>NOt hardly tommie, you only proved you can use a search engine and not
>that you know. Sounds almost like edwin.
>
>--
>Jim
I proved that when I found current and relevant knowledge on the
question I recognized it, and posted the link. Not a random link, but
a link that made sense in the context of the question posed. Did I
prove I had the answer in my head all the time? No. But I did know
enough to find a pretty good answer that made sense to me given my
knowledge of the subject. Yes. Am I a physicist? Hardly, but it is
sure an interesting area!
What percentage of the population would have found that link in about
10 seconds, and known enough to recognize it for what it was? Pretty
low number.
wrote:
>> Me troll, you fish
>
>NOt hardly tommie, you only proved you can use a search engine and not
>that you know. Sounds almost like edwin.
>
>--
>Jim
question I recognized it, and posted the link. Not a random link, but
a link that made sense in the context of the question posed. Did I
prove I had the answer in my head all the time? No. But I did know
enough to find a pretty good answer that made sense to me given my
knowledge of the subject. Yes. Am I a physicist? Hardly, but it is
sure an interesting area!
What percentage of the population would have found that link in about
10 seconds, and known enough to recognize it for what it was? Pretty
low number.
KDT
Dec 19, 2011, 12:37:06 PM12/19/11
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On Dec 19, 10:24 am, Tommy Troll <tom.e...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 01:09:14 -0600, Jim <j.pola...@NOSpaMcomcast.net>
Yes Tommy you are such a genius because you thought of looking up the
information on an obscure site like Wikipedia....
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 01:09:14 -0600, Jim <j.pola...@NOSpaMcomcast.net>
information on an obscure site like Wikipedia....
Paulie Satellite
Dec 19, 2011, 2:01:06 PM12/19/11
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"Jim" wrote in message
news:j.polaski-579D8...@news.newsguy.com...
this considered worlds in confusion.
Tommy Troll
Dec 19, 2011, 2:26:02 PM12/19/11
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:37:06 -0800 (PST), KDT <scarf...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I Googled "Hydrogen electron orbit" and Wikipedia was one of the first
hits. There were many other good sites. Why re-invent the wheel by
writing an explanation when those who have done a better job have
already done it for you? That would be a very inefficient use of time.
wrote:
hits. There were many other good sites. Why re-invent the wheel by
writing an explanation when those who have done a better job have
already done it for you? That would be a very inefficient use of time.
KDT
Dec 19, 2011, 3:58:34 PM12/19/11
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On Dec 19, 2:26 pm, Tommy Troll <tom.e...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:37:06 -0800 (PST), KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com>
So you think you're one of the select few people to know something
that many people learn in 8th grade?
http://www.ocde.us/Science/Documents/Grade+8+Matter+Vocabulary.pdf
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:37:06 -0800 (PST), KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com>
that many people learn in 8th grade?
http://www.ocde.us/Science/Documents/Grade+8+Matter+Vocabulary.pdf
Tommy Troll
Dec 19, 2011, 4:45:53 PM12/19/11
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:58:34 -0800 (PST), KDT <scarf...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Try asking the next 20 people you meet and see how many semi-correct,
coherent, answers you get. Better yet, see how many people say "I'm
not quite sure, but let me do a little research and get back to you."
wrote:
coherent, answers you get. Better yet, see how many people say "I'm
not quite sure, but let me do a little research and get back to you."
Nashton
Dec 19, 2011, 7:11:29 PM12/19/11
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You are way, waaay out of your league here, fangurl.
Trust me.
Your idiotic attempt to make a point ended up in the ditch, as it always
does.
No mention of hydrogen atoms and electrons, no mention of atomic orbitals.
Nashton
Dec 19, 2011, 7:14:54 PM12/19/11
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On 11-12-15 6:04 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article<j.polaski-579D8...@news.newsguy.com>,
> Jim<j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> In article<j.polaski-579D8...@news.newsguy.com>,
> Jim<j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Once upon a time, I asked edwin where you would find the electron in a
>> hydrogen atom. Rather than answer, he responded by harping,
>> trumpeting,and singing that I didn't know and furthermore, had no way of
>> knowing. (Moving the goalposts so-to-speak).
>>
>> Of course I was reminded of this while watching Physicist Brian Green on
>> Nova the other day about such matters, or does the answer lie in the
>> clue/hint I gave edwin that he conveniently ignored? I suspect the
>> latter.
>
> Jim...
>> hydrogen atom. Rather than answer, he responded by harping,
>> trumpeting,and singing that I didn't know and furthermore, had no way of
>> knowing. (Moving the goalposts so-to-speak).
>>
>> Of course I was reminded of this while watching Physicist Brian Green on
>> Nova the other day about such matters, or does the answer lie in the
>> clue/hint I gave edwin that he conveniently ignored? I suspect the
>> latter.
>
>
> ...Edwin has long since crawled away.
>
Most Apple fangurls are intellectually deficient.
I'm sure he appreciates the pointer.
Jim
Dec 19, 2011, 8:06:08 PM12/19/11
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In article <lclue71m3jinpnvmn...@4ax.com>,
discussing it with you.
>
> What percentage of the population would have found that link in about
> 10 seconds, and known enough to recognize it for what it was? Pretty
> low number.
Anyone who can use google perhaps.
--
Jim
Tommy Troll <tom....@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 01:09:14 -0600, Jim <j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> Me troll, you fish
> >
> >NOt hardly tommie, you only proved you can use a search engine and not
> >that you know. Sounds almost like edwin.
> >
> >--
> >Jim
>
> I proved that when I found current and relevant knowledge on the
> question I recognized it, and posted the link. Not a random link, but
> a link that made sense in the context of the question posed. Did I
> prove I had the answer in my head all the time? No. But I did know
> enough to find a pretty good answer that made sense to me given my
> knowledge of the subject. Yes. Am I a physicist? Hardly, but it is
> sure an interesting area!
We can agree it is an interesting area. In fact, it might be fun
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 01:09:14 -0600, Jim <j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> Me troll, you fish
> >
> >NOt hardly tommie, you only proved you can use a search engine and not
> >that you know. Sounds almost like edwin.
> >
> >--
> >Jim
>
> I proved that when I found current and relevant knowledge on the
> question I recognized it, and posted the link. Not a random link, but
> a link that made sense in the context of the question posed. Did I
> prove I had the answer in my head all the time? No. But I did know
> enough to find a pretty good answer that made sense to me given my
> knowledge of the subject. Yes. Am I a physicist? Hardly, but it is
> sure an interesting area!
discussing it with you.
>
> What percentage of the population would have found that link in about
> 10 seconds, and known enough to recognize it for what it was? Pretty
> low number.
--
Jim
KDT
Dec 19, 2011, 8:33:38 PM12/19/11
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Alan Baker
Dec 19, 2011, 9:49:34 PM12/19/11
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In article <jcok1u$rg6$2...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
wrote:
I'm delighted that your anger at constantly losing arguments has dropped
you to this level, Nicolas.
wrote:
you to this level, Nicolas.
KDT
Dec 19, 2011, 10:25:33 PM12/19/11
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On Dec 19, 7:11 pm, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
"Electrons: A negatively charged particle found around the nucleus
revolving in orbitals."
>no mention of atomic orbitals.
"Orbital: The path of an object as it revolves around another object"
Tommy Troll
Dec 20, 2011, 12:22:38 AM12/20/11
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:06:08 -0600, Jim <j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net>
wrote:
>We can agree it is an interesting area. In fact, it might be fun
>discussing it with you.
>
>>
>> What percentage of the population would have found that link in about
>> 10 seconds, and known enough to recognize it for what it was? Pretty
>> low number.
>
>Anyone who can use google perhaps.
You have to recognize it when you find the right information, not some
crackpot site that thinks atoms are really tiny alien invaders.
wrote:
>We can agree it is an interesting area. In fact, it might be fun
>discussing it with you.
>
>>
>> What percentage of the population would have found that link in about
>> 10 seconds, and known enough to recognize it for what it was? Pretty
>> low number.
>
>Anyone who can use google perhaps.
crackpot site that thinks atoms are really tiny alien invaders.
Jim
Dec 20, 2011, 1:10:09 AM12/20/11
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In article <gq60f79al78u5011p...@4ax.com>,
Tom, let me put it another way. On many things I think I can talk off
the top of my head and further on many, many more, I can *easily* find
references and I don't think either is any big feat.
Like I said, you can use a search engine, poor edwin couldn't do that or
reference anything and only try and turn the argument back on me. I
answered by giving him an old joke about Einstein going in a bar which
told the story.
Oh, and search engines are easy to find things with. Understanding
what's there can be a lot harder.
Wanna try string theory?
--
Jim
the top of my head and further on many, many more, I can *easily* find
references and I don't think either is any big feat.
Like I said, you can use a search engine, poor edwin couldn't do that or
reference anything and only try and turn the argument back on me. I
answered by giving him an old joke about Einstein going in a bar which
told the story.
Oh, and search engines are easy to find things with. Understanding
what's there can be a lot harder.
Wanna try string theory?
--
Jim
Nashton
Dec 20, 2011, 7:37:41 AM12/20/11
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Hydrogen atoms *and* electrons*.
In Baker's world, the conjunctions "or" and "and" mean the same thing.
ROTF
>
>> no mention of atomic orbitals.
>
> Page 7:
>
> "Orbital: The path of an object as it revolves around another object"
>
"An atomic orbital is a mathematical function that describes the
wave-like behavior of either one electron or a pair of electrons in an
atom."
Not pretty little pictures of atoms according to Bohr, which should not
even be taught in school.
You seem to be way over your head here too, Baker.
ROTF
Nashton
Dec 20, 2011, 7:39:46 AM12/20/11
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On 11-12-19 9:33 PM, KDT wrote:
>> You are way, waaay out of your league here, fangurl.
>>
>> Trust me.
>>
>> Your idiotic attempt to make a point ended up in the ditch, as it always
>> does.
>> No mention of hydrogen atoms and electrons, no mention of atomic orbitals.
> You see the pretty little pictures?
Sure, just not anything depicting reality.
>> You are way, waaay out of your league here, fangurl.
>>
>> Trust me.
>>
>> Your idiotic attempt to make a point ended up in the ditch, as it always
>> does.
>> No mention of hydrogen atoms and electrons, no mention of atomic orbitals.
> You see the pretty little pictures?
Unless you think that anyone uses this model to study the atom.
Which you probably do.
Flunker.
KDT
Dec 20, 2011, 10:02:04 AM12/20/11
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make the electrons act differently than other atoms?
>
>
> >> no mention of atomic orbitals.
>
> > Page 7:
>
> > "Orbital: The path of an object as it revolves around another object"
>
> Atomic orbitals as in in this:
>
> "An atomic orbital is a mathematical function that describes the
> wave-like behavior of either one electron or a pair of electrons in an
> atom."
> Not pretty little pictures of atoms according to Bohr, which should not
> even be taught in school.
>
> You seem to be way over your head here too, Baker.
>
> ROTF
Paulie Satellite
Dec 20, 2011, 11:38:03 AM12/20/11
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"Jim" wrote in message
news:j.polaski-9AB4D...@news.newsguy.com...
In article <gq60f79al78u5011p...@4ax.com>,
Tommy Troll <tom....@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:06:08 -0600, Jim
> <j.po...@NOSpaMcomcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >We can agree it is an interesting area. In fact, it might be fun
> >discussing it with you.
> >
> >>
> >> What percentage of the population would have found that link in
> >> about
> >> 10 seconds, and known enough to recognize it for what it was?
> >> Pretty
> >> low number.
> >
> >Anyone who can use google perhaps.
>
> You have to recognize it when you find the right information, not
> some
> crackpot site that thinks atoms are really tiny alien invaders.
>Tom, let me put it another way. On many things I think I can talk off
>the top of my head and further on many, many more, I can *easily*
>find
>references and I don't think either is any big feat.
>Like I said, you can use a search engine, poor edwin couldn't do that
>or
>reference anything and only try and turn the argument back on me. I
>answered by giving him an old joke about Einstein going in a bar
>which
>told the story.
>Oh, and search engines are easy to find things with. Understanding
>what's there can be a lot harder.
>Wanna try string theory?
Wow, a real Einstein. Do you even know how to wipe your ass?
Jim
Dec 20, 2011, 11:55:15 AM12/20/11
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In article <LR2Iq.22062$Ee3....@newsfe04.iad>,
You,the alias Paulie Satellite(not even a good one in troll-terms)
posted this but said nothing.
--
Jim
posted this but said nothing.
--
Jim
Alan Baker
Dec 20, 2011, 1:30:31 PM12/20/11
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In article <jcpvij$sld$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.ca>
wrote:
And if you follow the definitions, you'd read that the nucleus is a part
of the atom, and hence ties together electrons and hydrogen *ATOMS*.
Oh, and I'm not KDT.
>
>
> >
> >> no mention of atomic orbitals.
> >
> > Page 7:
> >
> > "Orbital: The path of an object as it revolves around another object"
> >
>
> Atomic orbitals as in in this:
>
> "An atomic orbital is a mathematical function that describes the
> wave-like behavior of either one electron or a pair of electrons in an
> atom."
> Not pretty little pictures of atoms according to Bohr, which should not
> even be taught in school.
>
> You seem to be way over your head here too, Baker.
LOL
wrote:
of the atom, and hence ties together electrons and hydrogen *ATOMS*.
Oh, and I'm not KDT.
>
>
> >
> >> no mention of atomic orbitals.
> >
> > Page 7:
> >
> > "Orbital: The path of an object as it revolves around another object"
> >
>
> Atomic orbitals as in in this:
>
> "An atomic orbital is a mathematical function that describes the
> wave-like behavior of either one electron or a pair of electrons in an
> atom."
> Not pretty little pictures of atoms according to Bohr, which should not
> even be taught in school.
>
> You seem to be way over your head here too, Baker.
Nashton
Dec 21, 2011, 2:37:58 PM12/21/11
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On 20/12/11 2:10 AM, Jim wrote:
> Wanna try string theory?
>
Sure, anything you had in mind?
> Wanna try string theory?
>
Sure, anything you had in mind?
Jim
Dec 26, 2011, 12:32:42 AM12/26/11
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In article <SRLHq.10203$aW6....@newsfe09.iad>,
No...I know alias paulie.
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Jim
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Jim
Paulie Satellite
Dec 26, 2011, 7:15:21 PM12/26/11
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"Jim" wrote in message
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Paulie Satellite
Dec 26, 2011, 7:18:25 PM12/26/11
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"Jim" wrote in message
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You speakie English maybe.
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