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Sandman
Sep 19, 2021, 4:47:41 PM9/19/21
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So, now and then I wonder about the other side, what if I actually tried to
switch to Windows? Could it work?
I mean, the obvious answer is no, since even if we disregard our advocacy
bullet points, we're talking about 37 years of Mac usage, and that kind of
history really do create a way you are used to "how things work".
My main development tool is PHPStorm, which is a java application and runs on
Windows as well, naturally. On top of that, I just need a web browser and a
web server. Now, Apache+mariadDB can be installed on Windows, but I would
think that a safer bet would be Docker for that. So in theory my main
development environment could be more or less replicated on Windows.
So then there is the system, while MacOS and Windows certainly have different
approaches to a great number of things, most of that amounts to relearning
stuff and conventions I guess.
But in the end, Windows is no Unix, and the Unix underpinnings of OSX is
freaking awesome to have at your disposal. And while relearning how virtual
desktops work or how you install and uninstall applications is one thing -
yanking out some 30+ years of unix and linux conditioning isn't an easy task.
It's like moving from emacs to vim, really. Nothing is the same, or even
similar.
And then there's all the little details, things you never think about.
Something like the Automator app, that can create big workflows out of GUI
applications. For instance, I have a "Upload reciept" action when I print a
document, that uploads the reciepts to my web server, saves it in a database
and gives me the option of filling out information about it. AppleScript may
not be modern or even easy to use, but when it does work, it's pretty
awesome. If I hit F19 on my keyboard, an applescript goes through a list of
apps and if any one of them is running, plays or pauses it. So I can listen
to music on Spotify, watch Netflix, youtube, whatever and I hit that button
and it pauses. For the record, yes the Apple keyboard does have a play/pause
button but the app has to support it, and many do, but some don't. Hey
AppleScript :)
So the only reason to even contemplate this for the sake of contemplating
this is gaming of course - the only thing Windows actually does better. I
have a gaming computer in my office, but I do think about how it could be if
that also was my work computer. I don't know, I'm probably just fantasising,
it's late here in Sweden :)
--
Sandman
switch to Windows? Could it work?
I mean, the obvious answer is no, since even if we disregard our advocacy
bullet points, we're talking about 37 years of Mac usage, and that kind of
history really do create a way you are used to "how things work".
My main development tool is PHPStorm, which is a java application and runs on
Windows as well, naturally. On top of that, I just need a web browser and a
web server. Now, Apache+mariadDB can be installed on Windows, but I would
think that a safer bet would be Docker for that. So in theory my main
development environment could be more or less replicated on Windows.
So then there is the system, while MacOS and Windows certainly have different
approaches to a great number of things, most of that amounts to relearning
stuff and conventions I guess.
But in the end, Windows is no Unix, and the Unix underpinnings of OSX is
freaking awesome to have at your disposal. And while relearning how virtual
desktops work or how you install and uninstall applications is one thing -
yanking out some 30+ years of unix and linux conditioning isn't an easy task.
It's like moving from emacs to vim, really. Nothing is the same, or even
similar.
And then there's all the little details, things you never think about.
Something like the Automator app, that can create big workflows out of GUI
applications. For instance, I have a "Upload reciept" action when I print a
document, that uploads the reciepts to my web server, saves it in a database
and gives me the option of filling out information about it. AppleScript may
not be modern or even easy to use, but when it does work, it's pretty
awesome. If I hit F19 on my keyboard, an applescript goes through a list of
apps and if any one of them is running, plays or pauses it. So I can listen
to music on Spotify, watch Netflix, youtube, whatever and I hit that button
and it pauses. For the record, yes the Apple keyboard does have a play/pause
button but the app has to support it, and many do, but some don't. Hey
AppleScript :)
So the only reason to even contemplate this for the sake of contemplating
this is gaming of course - the only thing Windows actually does better. I
have a gaming computer in my office, but I do think about how it could be if
that also was my work computer. I don't know, I'm probably just fantasising,
it's late here in Sweden :)
--
Sandman
-hh
Sep 19, 2021, 7:21:07 PM9/19/21
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On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 4:47:41 PM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
> So, now and then I wonder about the other side, what if I actually tried to
> switch to Windows? Could it work?
For some level of "work", sure. Just like using a screw driver when you
> So, now and then I wonder about the other side, what if I actually tried to
> switch to Windows? Could it work?
don't have a paint can opener ... or a hammer /s
> I mean, the obvious answer is no, since even if we disregard our advocacy
> bullet points, we're talking about 37 years of Mac usage, and that kind of
> history really do create a way you are used to "how things work".
Understandable. I was just thinking about Lloyd Parsons this past week, as I
had a Buick SUV as my rental ... an Envision, I think. I found the first few days
with it to be downright irritating, as its controls (steering especially) was just
set up to be "too light" for my preferences. Sure it was "easy" to steer the SUV,
but it did so with very minimal feedback which made it harder overall.
> So the only reason to even contemplate this for the sake of contemplating
> this is gaming of course - the only thing Windows actually does better. I
> have a gaming computer in my office, but I do think about how it could be if
> that also was my work computer. I don't know, I'm probably just fantasising,
> it's late here in Sweden :)
and I'll hopefully find where my brother "hid" the admin password one of these
weeks so that I can actually manage it...until I get that piece of info, its not really
worth unboxing - - its potentially just a candidate to be broken down for a few parts.
Meantime, I have an M1 mini to get set up when I have a few moments as well;
looking at refurbishing a lot of stuff while I'm installing a new WiFi 6 system when
the fall weather turns and I can't do outside maintenance chores.
-hh
STALKING_TARGET_74
Sep 19, 2021, 9:42:33 PM9/19/21
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Computer Guy's claim that he has "no skill in making enemies" (a lie as
proved by the fact that he slammed John Gohde's site) he was seen asking
programmers how they would take down a website. That's our Prescott Computer
Guy, though, has super powers of course. Believes if your computer/IP
is online, they've got the right to use your resources, whether you like
it or not. I want Prescott Computer Guy to support their doxing accusation.
Let's see the evidence Prescott Computer Guy. When I accused Prescott
Computer Guy of socking as John Gohde I actually supported it with links.
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Snit
Sep 20, 2021, 12:33:07 AM9/20/21
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On Sep 19, 2021 at 1:47:38 PM MST, "Sandman" wrote
<sandman-867e494aa8b4...@individual.net>:
> So, now and then I wonder about the other side, what if I actually tried to
> switch to Windows? Could it work?
>
> I mean, the obvious answer is no, since even if we disregard our advocacy
> bullet points, we're talking about 37 years of Mac usage, and that kind of
> history really do create a way you are used to "how things work".
>
> My main development tool is PHPStorm, which is a java application and runs on
> Windows as well, naturally. On top of that, I just need a web browser and a
> web server. Now, Apache+mariadDB can be installed on Windows, but I would
> think that a safer bet would be Docker for that. So in theory my main
> development environment could be more or less replicated on Windows.
>
> So then there is the system, while MacOS and Windows certainly have different
> approaches to a great number of things, most of that amounts to relearning
> stuff and conventions I guess.
>
> But in the end, Windows is no Unix, and the Unix underpinnings of OSX is
> freaking awesome to have at your disposal. And while relearning how virtual
> desktops work or how you install and uninstall applications is one thing -
> yanking out some 30+ years of unix and linux conditioning isn't an easy task.
> It's like moving from emacs to vim, really. Nothing is the same, or even
> similar.
>
> And then there's all the little details, things you never think about.
> Something like the Automator app, that can create big workflows out of GUI
> applications.
For me these types of things would be the most important. Automator,
AppleScript, System Services... even the integration of color selectors and
the like (though that is less important to me now than it was in the past).
> For instance, I have a "Upload reciept" action when I print a
> document, that uploads the reciepts to my web server, saves it in a database
> and gives me the option of filling out information about it. AppleScript may
> not be modern or even easy to use, but when it does work, it's pretty
> awesome.
Right. And a lot of people depend on it, or at least are heavily tied to it.
Carroll has repeatedly told me that Apple is planning on doing away with it --
and they have made some moves to at least add JavaScript. Do you think
AppleScript is going to go away in, say, the next 3-5 years? I do not... but
Apple does have a way of letting go of the old.
> If I hit F19 on my keyboard, an applescript goes through a list of
> apps and if any one of them is running, plays or pauses it. So I can listen
> to music on Spotify, watch Netflix, youtube, whatever and I hit that button
> and it pauses. For the record, yes the Apple keyboard does have a play/pause
> button but the app has to support it, and many do, but some don't. Hey
> AppleScript :)
I do something similar with the Next / Prev buttons on my third party mouse,
as well as the middle button I use for "hide / show". I have a third party
driver that lets me set the buttons to be different things per app. I have not
looked in some time, but I know of no such tool for Windows or Linux (would
not be surprised if they do exist, though). I do know they matter a lot to me.
I can be in Pages or my Safari or Chrome and go through tabs with a button, or
show and hide invisible items in word processors and text editors or full time
lines in video editing apps. It makes a difference.
> So the only reason to even contemplate this for the sake of contemplating
> this is gaming of course - the only thing Windows actually does better. I
> have a gaming computer in my office, but I do think about how it could be if
> that also was my work computer. I don't know, I'm probably just fantasising,
> it's late here in Sweden :)
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
<sandman-867e494aa8b4...@individual.net>:
> So, now and then I wonder about the other side, what if I actually tried to
> switch to Windows? Could it work?
>
> I mean, the obvious answer is no, since even if we disregard our advocacy
> bullet points, we're talking about 37 years of Mac usage, and that kind of
> history really do create a way you are used to "how things work".
>
> My main development tool is PHPStorm, which is a java application and runs on
> Windows as well, naturally. On top of that, I just need a web browser and a
> web server. Now, Apache+mariadDB can be installed on Windows, but I would
> think that a safer bet would be Docker for that. So in theory my main
> development environment could be more or less replicated on Windows.
>
> So then there is the system, while MacOS and Windows certainly have different
> approaches to a great number of things, most of that amounts to relearning
> stuff and conventions I guess.
>
> But in the end, Windows is no Unix, and the Unix underpinnings of OSX is
> freaking awesome to have at your disposal. And while relearning how virtual
> desktops work or how you install and uninstall applications is one thing -
> yanking out some 30+ years of unix and linux conditioning isn't an easy task.
> It's like moving from emacs to vim, really. Nothing is the same, or even
> similar.
>
> And then there's all the little details, things you never think about.
> Something like the Automator app, that can create big workflows out of GUI
> applications.
AppleScript, System Services... even the integration of color selectors and
the like (though that is less important to me now than it was in the past).
> For instance, I have a "Upload reciept" action when I print a
> document, that uploads the reciepts to my web server, saves it in a database
> and gives me the option of filling out information about it. AppleScript may
> not be modern or even easy to use, but when it does work, it's pretty
> awesome.
Carroll has repeatedly told me that Apple is planning on doing away with it --
and they have made some moves to at least add JavaScript. Do you think
AppleScript is going to go away in, say, the next 3-5 years? I do not... but
Apple does have a way of letting go of the old.
> If I hit F19 on my keyboard, an applescript goes through a list of
> apps and if any one of them is running, plays or pauses it. So I can listen
> to music on Spotify, watch Netflix, youtube, whatever and I hit that button
> and it pauses. For the record, yes the Apple keyboard does have a play/pause
> button but the app has to support it, and many do, but some don't. Hey
> AppleScript :)
as well as the middle button I use for "hide / show". I have a third party
driver that lets me set the buttons to be different things per app. I have not
looked in some time, but I know of no such tool for Windows or Linux (would
not be surprised if they do exist, though). I do know they matter a lot to me.
I can be in Pages or my Safari or Chrome and go through tabs with a button, or
show and hide invisible items in word processors and text editors or full time
lines in video editing apps. It makes a difference.
> So the only reason to even contemplate this for the sake of contemplating
> this is gaming of course - the only thing Windows actually does better. I
> have a gaming computer in my office, but I do think about how it could be if
> that also was my work computer. I don't know, I'm probably just fantasising,
> it's late here in Sweden :)
--
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
Thomas E.
Sep 20, 2021, 7:52:06 AM9/20/21
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On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 4:47:41 PM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
I've had very little experience with Mac OS, and found it frustrating. Not because it's inherently difficult if it's what you are used to, but different from Windows. If you are a Windows user Mac OS is not intuitive. You could obviously learn Windows, and it would probably do almost anything a Mac can do, but it would take time and an open mind.
On the mobile/tablet platforms I transitioned to iOS from Android about 4 years ago. It was a struggle for a few weeks. Android's settings are organized into a lot fewer top level groups. Finding iOS setting was confusing at first, but 4 years later is "intuitive". The iOS keyboard is not as good as Android, and the forms auto-input is much more limited. I still find it frustrating that iOS does not seem to know my e-mail address and pop it up every time I need it for a browser form. I use mostly MS Office and Google apps, so that was not bad at all. There are almost no differences to learn. The new iOS Office version is awesome. But again, it works well on Android too.
Windows has its own scripting language, but I have almost no experience with it. I've used some scripts others wrote to perform maintenance tasks. Seems to work, but have no idea how it compares to the Mac equivalent.
My Windows keyboard is Logitech K350. It has keys for media app and Windows volume controls, the Media Center app, calculator app, browser up-down zoom, Windows/tab task switching, Windows settings, and standby. Unlike the Mac keyboard it also has delete and backspace keys. I have never understood why Macs don't have both.
For the sake of the group please do not try to switch. Stick with what you know. We don't need you venting your frustrations as you learn a new paradigm.
-hh
Sep 20, 2021, 8:41:25 AM9/20/21
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> So finally a rainy day here and some time I can call my own. It's been a month since I even looked at CSMA.
>
> I've had very little experience with Mac OS, and found it frustrating. Not because it's
> inherently difficult if it's what you are used to, but different from Windows. If you are
> a Windows user Mac OS is not intuitive. You could obviously learn Windows, and it
> would probably do almost anything a Mac can do, but it would take time and an open mind.
I've been a "dual OS" user for 20+ years. There's little UI niggles that one finds pretty
>
> I've had very little experience with Mac OS, and found it frustrating. Not because it's
> inherently difficult if it's what you are used to, but different from Windows. If you are
> a Windows user Mac OS is not intuitive. You could obviously learn Windows, and it
> would probably do almost anything a Mac can do, but it would take time and an open mind.
quickly (such as if the keyboard tactile indents are under the index fingers or middle fingers
when touch-typing), but its not too terribly different than developing the muscle memory
familiarity with the controls layouts of two different brands of automobiles...
> On the mobile/tablet platforms I transitioned to iOS from Android about 4 years ago.
> It was a struggle for a few weeks. Android's settings are organized into a lot fewer top
> level groups. Finding iOS setting was confusing at first, but 4 years later is "intuitive".
> The iOS keyboard is not as good as Android, and the forms auto-input is much more limited.
> I still find it frustrating that iOS does not seem to know my e-mail address and pop it up
> every time I need it for a browser form.
I suspect that this probably is a "field definitions" issue from the website side, where the
OS is looking for specific HTML/XML tagging for what kind of data input its supposed to be.
Maybe iOS is simply being more stringent?
> I use mostly MS Office and Google apps, so that was not bad at all...
We've been struggling with the "365" deployment for the past month. With the new layers,
the PC's effective startup time has gone from a ~few minutes to closer to ~10 minutes before
each of the individual systems have been satisfied. One example is with MS-Outlook now
puts up a UI box for (re)entering credentials before it will launch, and apparently because that
needs to go ping a remote server, the UI box is completely blank for 1-5 minutes before I'm
allowed to enter credentials.
> Windows has its own scripting language, but I have almost no experience with it. I've used
> some scripts others wrote to perform maintenance tasks. Seems to work, but have no idea
> how it compares to the Mac equivalent.
After some futzing to try to unbreak it, I just abandoned it.
> My Windows keyboard is Logitech K350. It has keys for media app and Windows
> volume controls, the Media Center app, calculator app, browser up-down zoom,
> Windows/tab task switching, Windows settings, and standby.
be useful, but I've found that with a larger monitor now, I only rarely use them.
> Unlike the Mac keyboard it also has delete and backspace keys. I have never
> understood why Macs don't have both.
keyboard instead of the compact one (which lacks numeric keypad):
<https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQ052LL/A/magic-keyboard-with-numeric-keypad-us-english>
-hh
Snit
Sep 20, 2021, 9:27:59 AM9/20/21
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Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
…
> For the sake of the group please do not try to switch. Stick with what
> you know. We don't need you venting your frustrations as you learn a new paradigm.
>
…
>
> My Windows keyboard is Logitech K350. It has keys for media app and
> Windows volume controls, the Media Center app, calculator app, browser
> up-down zoom, Windows/tab task switching, Windows settings, and standby.
> Unlike the Mac keyboard it also has delete and backspace keys. I have
> never understood why Macs don't have both.
The full sized ones with keypads do.
> My Windows keyboard is Logitech K350. It has keys for media app and
> Windows volume controls, the Media Center app, calculator app, browser
> up-down zoom, Windows/tab task switching, Windows settings, and standby.
> Unlike the Mac keyboard it also has delete and backspace keys. I have
> never understood why Macs don't have both.
> For the sake of the group please do not try to switch. Stick with what
> you know. We don't need you venting your frustrations as you learn a new paradigm.
>
Sandman
Sep 20, 2021, 9:48:28 AM9/20/21
to
In article <dd1d6292-a0c5-4dc3...@googlegroups.com>, Thomas
of exploit.
> My Windows keyboard is Logitech K350. It has keys for media app and
> Windows volume controls, the Media Center app, calculator app,
> browser up-down zoom, Windows/tab task switching, Windows settings,
> and standby.
Irrelevant, I'm betting you can't play/pause youtube videos in it.
> Unlike the Mac keyboard it also has delete and
> backspace keys. I have never understood why Macs don't have both.
They do, of course.
> For the sake of the group please do not try to switch. Stick with
> what you know. We don't need you venting your frustrations as you
> learn a new paradigm.
What "you" need is so irrelevant to me that it's laughable that you would
even bring it up :)
--
Sandman
E. wrote:
> On the mobile/tablet platforms I transitioned to iOS from Android
> about 4 years ago. It was a struggle for a few weeks. Android's
> settings are organized into a lot fewer top level groups. Finding
> iOS setting was confusing at first, but 4 years later is
> "intuitive". The iOS keyboard is not as good as Android, and the
> forms auto-input is much more limited. I still find it frustrating
> that iOS does not seem to know my e-mail address and pop it up every
> time I need it for a browser form. I use mostly MS Office and Google
> apps, so that was not bad at all. There are almost no differences to
> learn. The new iOS Office version is awesome. But again, it works
> well on Android too.
Not interested in Android, don't want to be locked in to that walled garden
> On the mobile/tablet platforms I transitioned to iOS from Android
> about 4 years ago. It was a struggle for a few weeks. Android's
> settings are organized into a lot fewer top level groups. Finding
> iOS setting was confusing at first, but 4 years later is
> "intuitive". The iOS keyboard is not as good as Android, and the
> forms auto-input is much more limited. I still find it frustrating
> that iOS does not seem to know my e-mail address and pop it up every
> time I need it for a browser form. I use mostly MS Office and Google
> apps, so that was not bad at all. There are almost no differences to
> learn. The new iOS Office version is awesome. But again, it works
> well on Android too.
of exploit.
> My Windows keyboard is Logitech K350. It has keys for media app and
> Windows volume controls, the Media Center app, calculator app,
> browser up-down zoom, Windows/tab task switching, Windows settings,
> and standby.
> Unlike the Mac keyboard it also has delete and
> backspace keys. I have never understood why Macs don't have both.
> For the sake of the group please do not try to switch. Stick with
> what you know. We don't need you venting your frustrations as you
> learn a new paradigm.
even bring it up :)
--
Sandman
Thomas E.
Sep 20, 2021, 9:57:21 AM9/20/21
to
Sandman
Sep 20, 2021, 10:05:37 AM9/20/21
to
In article <36b94b6a-3b7d-4a31...@googlegroups.com>, Thomas
E. wrote:
> > > Thomas E.:
funky looking notebook, Tom.
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Sandman
E. wrote:
> > > Thomas E.:
> > > My Windows keyboard is Logitech K350. It has keys for media app
> > > and Windows volume controls, the Media Center app, calculator
> > > app, browser up-down zoom, Windows/tab task switching, Windows
> > > settings, and standby. Unlike the Mac keyboard it also has
> > > delete and backspace keys. I have never understood why Macs
> > > don't have both.
> >
> > Snit:
> > > and Windows volume controls, the Media Center app, calculator
> > > app, browser up-down zoom, Windows/tab task switching, Windows
> > > settings, and standby. Unlike the Mac keyboard it also has
> > > delete and backspace keys. I have never understood why Macs
> > > don't have both.
> >
> > The full sized ones with keypads do.
>
>
> I was actually referring to the notebook keyboard.
So your windows notebook have a Logitech K350 keyboard built in? That's a
funky looking notebook, Tom.
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Sandman
Thomas E.
Sep 20, 2021, 10:08:38 AM9/20/21
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My Logitech Keyboard F Keys can also be customized. Never needed of used that feature.
I was referring to the native Mac laptop keyboard. I have never used the external Magic keyboard. Thanks for the info.
Snit
Sep 20, 2021, 10:09:35 AM9/20/21
to
On Sep 20, 2021 at 6:57:19 AM MST, ""Thomas E."" wrote
<36b94b6a-3b7d-4a31...@googlegroups.com>:
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 9:27:59 AM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> …
>>>
>>> My Windows keyboard is Logitech K350. It has keys for media app and
>>> Windows volume controls, the Media Center app, calculator app, browser
>>> up-down zoom, Windows/tab task switching, Windows settings, and standby.
>>> Unlike the Mac keyboard it also has delete and backspace keys. I have
>>> never understood why Macs don't have both.
>> The full sized ones with keypads do.
>>> For the sake of the group please do not try to switch. Stick with what
>>> you know. We don't need you venting your frustrations as you learn a new
>>> paradigm.
>>>
>>
>
With the notebooks with smaller keyboards you can use Command+Delete to get
the backspace.
<36b94b6a-3b7d-4a31...@googlegroups.com>:
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 9:27:59 AM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>> Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> …
>>>
>>> My Windows keyboard is Logitech K350. It has keys for media app and
>>> Windows volume controls, the Media Center app, calculator app, browser
>>> up-down zoom, Windows/tab task switching, Windows settings, and standby.
>>> Unlike the Mac keyboard it also has delete and backspace keys. I have
>>> never understood why Macs don't have both.
>> The full sized ones with keypads do.
>>> For the sake of the group please do not try to switch. Stick with what
>>> you know. We don't need you venting your frustrations as you learn a new
>>> paradigm.
>>>
>>
>
> I was actually referring to the notebook keyboard.
I was referring to "My Windows keyboard is Logitech K350."
With the notebooks with smaller keyboards you can use Command+Delete to get
the backspace.
Sandman
Sep 20, 2021, 10:13:08 AM9/20/21
to
In article <deac8086-6ff6-4783...@googlegroups.com>, Thomas E.
wrote:
> Strange. For years I have been on the Office 365 subscription plan
> for all my Windows laptops and iOS devices. Since day 1 I have seen
> absolutely no differences at all in Office app startup times across
> both platforms.
> My Logitech Keyboard F Keys can also be customized. Never needed of
> used that feature.
> I was referring to the native Mac laptop keyboard. I have never used
> the external Magic keyboard. Thanks for the info.
Typical Windows "advocate" logic, the built in mac laptop keyboard has less
space for keys that are available on my full-sized external keyboard,
obviously Macs are worse... :)
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Sandman
wrote:
> Strange. For years I have been on the Office 365 subscription plan
> for all my Windows laptops and iOS devices. Since day 1 I have seen
> absolutely no differences at all in Office app startup times across
> both platforms.
> My Logitech Keyboard F Keys can also be customized. Never needed of
> used that feature.
> I was referring to the native Mac laptop keyboard. I have never used
> the external Magic keyboard. Thanks for the info.
space for keys that are available on my full-sized external keyboard,
obviously Macs are worse... :)
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Sandman
Thomas E.
Sep 20, 2021, 10:17:45 AM9/20/21
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Sandman
Sep 20, 2021, 10:24:30 AM9/20/21
to
In article <0488e39b-14c6-44d3...@googlegroups.com>, Thomas E.
not have the aforementioned keys either, especially sub-17 laptops. One must
wonder what use you have of such a huge laptop.
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wrote:
> > > > > Thomas E.:
> > > > > My Windows keyboard is Logitech K350. It has keys
> > > > > for media app and Windows volume controls, the Media Center
> > > > > app, calculator app, browser up-down zoom, Windows/tab task
> > > > > switching, Windows settings, and standby. Unlike the Mac
> > > > > keyboard it also has delete and backspace keys. I have never
> > > > > understood why Macs don't have both.
> > > >
> > > > Snit:
> > > > The full sized ones with keypads do.
> > >
> > > Thomas E.:
> > > > > Thomas E.:
> > > > > My Windows keyboard is Logitech K350. It has keys
> > > > > for media app and Windows volume controls, the Media Center
> > > > > app, calculator app, browser up-down zoom, Windows/tab task
> > > > > switching, Windows settings, and standby. Unlike the Mac
> > > > > keyboard it also has delete and backspace keys. I have never
> > > > > understood why Macs don't have both.
> > > >
> > > > Snit:
> > > > The full sized ones with keypads do.
> > >
> > > I was actually referring to the notebook keyboard.
> >
> > Sandman:
> >
> > So your windows notebook have a Logitech K350 keyboard built in?
> > That's a funky looking notebook, Tom. -- Sandman
>
> Silly boy. My Logitech 350 is an external device. However my HP
> notebook has delete and backspace, page up, page down, insert, home,
> and end keys plus a numeric keypad with number lock. Does your Mac
> laptop have any of those keys?
It does not, but that's hardly the point, now is it? Since all PC laptops does
> > That's a funky looking notebook, Tom. -- Sandman
>
> Silly boy. My Logitech 350 is an external device. However my HP
> notebook has delete and backspace, page up, page down, insert, home,
> and end keys plus a numeric keypad with number lock. Does your Mac
> laptop have any of those keys?
not have the aforementioned keys either, especially sub-17 laptops. One must
wonder what use you have of such a huge laptop.
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-hh
Sep 20, 2021, 11:19:19 AM9/20/21
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On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 10:08:38 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:41:25 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:52:06 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > ...
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:41:25 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:52:06 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > I use mostly MS Office and Google apps, so that was not bad at all...
> >
> > We've been struggling with the "365" deployment for the past month. With the new layers,
> > the PC's effective startup time has gone from a ~few minutes to closer to ~10 minutes before
> > each of the individual systems have been satisfied. One example is with MS-Outlook now
> > puts up a UI box for (re)entering credentials before it will launch, and apparently because that
> > needs to go ping a remote server, the UI box is completely blank for 1-5 minutes before I'm
> > allowed to enter credentials.
> >
> > We've been struggling with the "365" deployment for the past month. With the new layers,
> > the PC's effective startup time has gone from a ~few minutes to closer to ~10 minutes before
> > each of the individual systems have been satisfied. One example is with MS-Outlook now
> > puts up a UI box for (re)entering credentials before it will launch, and apparently because that
> > needs to go ping a remote server, the UI box is completely blank for 1-5 minutes before I'm
> > allowed to enter credentials.
> Strange. For years I have been on the Office 365 subscription plan for all
> my Windows laptops and iOS devices. Since day 1 I have seen absolutely no
> differences at all in Office app startup times across both platforms.
I'm sure that a lot of it has to do with all of the security-based systems that
> my Windows laptops and iOS devices. Since day 1 I have seen absolutely no
> differences at all in Office app startup times across both platforms.
have been cobbled together, particularly in response to recent threats.
> My Logitech Keyboard F Keys can also be customized. Never needed of used that feature.
>
> I was referring to the native Mac laptop keyboard. I have never used the external
> Magic keyboard. Thanks for the info.
laptop is too small to support a full keyboard (w/numerical keypad) because
of form factor constraints: they're not wide enough, so it gets into a question
of which is the less ugly UI design decision: to deliberately crowd keys closer
together to squeeze in a keypad, but thereby ruin touch-typing, or to retain good
key spacing & touch-typing by sacrificing having the room to include a keypad.
I think the last time that I happened to see a keypad on a laptop was back on
one of the old 17"-18" behemoths...
-hh
Snit Michael Glasser
Sep 20, 2021, 12:52:55 PM9/20/21
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to 'produce screen casts', specifically, his clueless efforts and Snit's
efforts to help him become a better instructor. He needs recognition,
and as long as you're willing to continue do his bidding, he'll remain.
Does Snit even believe the crap Ryan Sullivan is spewing? Ryan Sullivan
- who caused more errors applying his 'band-aids' than what the computer
started with before he did a thing. It is the same thing that happens
in every group Ryan Sullivan infects.
Ryan Sullivan expects people to believe that a poster such as Snit who
he has regularly alleged to be a deceiver is someone to 'respect'? How
can he think people are THAT stupid?
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"Trump Supporters" while biking, they weren't the usual idiot type that
likes to complain about so much. Why are such folks seemingly never happy.
What is wrong with them? You've proven that it is Sockboy. That is the
problem with millennials and newer instructors don't care at all; people
from past generations (~60 yo) *should* know better than to fall for
the indoctrination BS.
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Thomas E.
Sep 20, 2021, 1:14:59 PM9/20/21
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https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/vwa/laptops/availability=In-Stock;segm=Home;brand=ENVY?jumpid=ma_lt_featured_na_5_210303
-hh
Sep 20, 2021, 3:09:36 PM9/20/21
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> Essentially all 15" HP laptops have keypad. 13" versions don't.
>
> https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/vwa/laptops/availability=In-Stock;segm=Home;brand=ENVY?jumpid=ma_lt_featured_na_5_210303
That's probably a market differentiation attempt by HP ... and the question I'd look at
>
> https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/vwa/laptops/availability=In-Stock;segm=Home;brand=ENVY?jumpid=ma_lt_featured_na_5_210303
is how physically wide is the actual keyboard, to try to assess how much they squeezed
its key widths, as this will adversely affect touch-typing.
Meantime, I've not had a keypad on my my Dell or Thinkpads for over a decade. Not
even on my widescreen T61 which I learned was impractically large/heavy for travel,
which I retired early.
-hh
Thomas E.
Sep 20, 2021, 6:27:09 PM9/20/21
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No numeric keypads below 15" or on Chomebooks regardless of size I have seen in stores.
My HP is great for typing.
STALKING_TARGET_03
Sep 20, 2021, 9:39:53 PM9/20/21
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out in COLA, right? How many more chances does Peter the Cöwardly Liön's
very senseless ass (a brick knows more than Peter the Cöwardly Liön and
is useful) need to prove their Commander Kinsey spamming accusation with
support? I am working on a script which will show off how weak Linux
is. He insists that he uses Linux, while you know he never saw it on
a real system and really pushed it. At one point, Peter the Cöwardly
Liön said a legitimate denizen was "obsessing" over him, which was nothing
more than replying to his posts. Gee, imagine Peter the Cöwardly Liön
trying to pin his nonsense on others, no one has ever seen that before
<sarcasm>.
Commander Kinsey's original statement stands true and correct.
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-hh
Sep 20, 2021, 10:33:29 PM9/20/21
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> Not true about HP within the Windows laptop space. 15" class Dell, Lenovo, ASUS,
> Acer and Samsung laptops all have numeric keypads.
>
> No numeric keypads below 15" or on Chomebooks regardless of size I have seen in stores.
So they differentiate based on form factor (size) for where it is feasible.
> Acer and Samsung laptops all have numeric keypads.
>
> No numeric keypads below 15" or on Chomebooks regardless of size I have seen in stores.
Of course, it’s been over a decade since I’ve chosen a 15” laptop for mobility.
> My HP is great for typing.
to a,crowded layout…probably also why Apple’s horrific keyboard failure went
unaddressed for far, far too long: I find TT on my MBP sucks.
-hh
Alan Baker
Sep 20, 2021, 10:53:10 PM9/20/21
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laptop actually is.
So what is it?
STALKING_TARGET_61
Sep 21, 2021, 2:31:37 AM9/21/21
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Rbowman continues to tap dance around the harassment allegation he wrote
about me, even tho Snit posted that he KNOWS HE LIED about it.
You're like a full moon on a cloudless night. We all see you hiding there
and thinking you are being clever. And you're so ignorant you keep doing
it. Rbowman can only speculate from the viewpoint of a psychopath. You can't
go into a rave, piss in all the hooch, deck all the children, rob the bibles
and blow chunks in the face of your host without being ridiculed.
I just use a kill filter and won't be impacted by the flooding. Rbowman's
crap has made an utter mess of my scripting via Google Groups, so I don't
make an attempt reading the group with my tablet anymore. Only thing he
has succeeded at with this flooding is that the Rbowman boycott has been
shown to clearly be the right thing.
Snit bamboozled Rbowman a bit, big f*cking deal. Why be a blubbering bastard
about it?
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STALKING_TARGET_97
Sep 21, 2021, 3:03:19 AM9/21/21
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the only database he knows, at least that I have seen. He must be programming
it to create these stupid "attack" threads. My guess, William Poaster took
Snit's code that he hacked and pretended was his... he is feeding it Google
Groups data, grabbing random paragraphs, then editing those using the Baum–Welch
method and then he actively posts them because his obsessiveness enables
him to do that practically endlessly.
Which do you think is the better troll? Snit or William Poaster? I vote
for William Poaster; only because he occasionally does comprehend what he
reads, even if, regrettably, he forgets it sometimes days later. I am about
to give up on him, myself. Like all losers, he is perpetually looking for
some way to attack, no matter how fantastic the charge. I will not read
his response to this post. He is humiliated, wants to blame others, and
will berate. Most likely opening with a conceited "*plonk*", as if what
I have written is _so_ off base. That BADish "approach" was about the last
straw, for me. I'd reply to William Poaster at once but he is a cretin who
twists what you say to implement his desire to call everyone a deceiver.
William Poaster - who caused more problems applying his 'band-aids' than
what the box started with before he did a thing.
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-hh
Sep 21, 2021, 9:57:17 AM9/21/21
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On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 11:19:19 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 10:08:38 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:41:25 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:52:06 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > ...
> > > > I use mostly MS Office and Google apps, so that was not bad at all...
> > >
> > > We've been struggling with the "365" deployment for the past month. With the new layers,
> > > the PC's effective startup time has gone from a ~few minutes to closer to ~10 minutes before
> > > each of the individual systems have been satisfied. One example is with MS-Outlook now
> > > puts up a UI box for (re)entering credentials before it will launch, and apparently because that
> > > needs to go ping a remote server, the UI box is completely blank for 1-5 minutes before I'm
> > > allowed to enter credentials.
> >
> > Strange. For years I have been on the Office 365 subscription plan for all
> > my Windows laptops and iOS devices. Since day 1 I have seen absolutely no
> > differences at all in Office app startup times across both platforms.
>
> I'm sure that a lot of it has to do with all of the security-based systems that
> have been cobbled together, particularly in response to recent threats.
Well, it looks like I should have shaken the dead chicken & walked it around the house three times
> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 10:08:38 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:41:25 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:52:06 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > ...
> > > > I use mostly MS Office and Google apps, so that was not bad at all...
> > >
> > > We've been struggling with the "365" deployment for the past month. With the new layers,
> > > the PC's effective startup time has gone from a ~few minutes to closer to ~10 minutes before
> > > each of the individual systems have been satisfied. One example is with MS-Outlook now
> > > puts up a UI box for (re)entering credentials before it will launch, and apparently because that
> > > needs to go ping a remote server, the UI box is completely blank for 1-5 minutes before I'm
> > > allowed to enter credentials.
> >
> > Strange. For years I have been on the Office 365 subscription plan for all
> > my Windows laptops and iOS devices. Since day 1 I have seen absolutely no
> > differences at all in Office app startup times across both platforms.
>
> I'm sure that a lot of it has to do with all of the security-based systems that
> have been cobbled together, particularly in response to recent threats.
after making that comment yesterday...
Its now nearly 10AM and I've had the pleasure of three (3) BSOD's this morning on my Windows PC;
it *finally* seems stable at the moment, possibly because I chose to not log into MS OneDrive (yet).
My guess is that it looks like they've added a Cloud-based web browser (Menlo security?) and
that may be fighting with the Cisco VPN software.
-hh
Thomas E.
Sep 24, 2021, 7:34:36 AM9/24/21
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Specs, note the keyboard.
HP ENVY Laptop - 15t touch H379430014
• HP ENVY - 15t Touch Laptop
• 1 TB PCIe® NVMe™ M.2 SSD
• Full-size island-style backlit keyboard
• 16GB DDR4-2133 SDRAM (2 x 8GB)
• Intel® 802.11ac (2x2) Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® 4.2 Combo
• 15.6" diagonal FHD IPS UWVA BrightView WLED-backlit (1920 x 1080) Touchscreen (for HD Camera)
• Windows 10 Home 64
• HP Wide Vision HD Webcam with Dual Digital Microphone (For Touch)
• 3-cell 52 WHr Lithium-ion Battery
• Intel® Core™ i7-7560U (2.4 GHz, up to 3.8 GHz, 4 MB cache, 2 cores) + Intel® Iris™ Plus Graphics 640
Thomas E.
Sep 24, 2021, 7:36:58 AM9/24/21
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Diesel Cook
Sep 24, 2021, 11:09:17 AM9/24/21
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Is Snit working on being just as much of a deceitful liar as Rbowman is
already known as being?
Do you believe the lies Rbowman is spewing?
There is no question this is an insomniac troll writing because some
of them are direct responses in very specific ways which proves they are
a response. Which can only be Rbowman. "Somewhere between 1995 or 2002
I trusted Snit, the absolutely angry liar" - Rbowman. I am a complete
fan of 3d printers, because that's where all the compelling ingenuity
is happening. Snit bamboozled Rbowman some, big fscking deal. No need
to be a whiny jackass about it?
I am about to give up on him, myself. Like all jerks, he is always looking
for some way to attack, no matter how goofy the allegation. I will not
see his response to this post. He is embarrassed, wants to blame others,
and will fly off the handle. Most likely starting with a dismissive "<crickets>",
as if what I've written is SO hard to understand. That BADish "response"
was the final indignity, for me.
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Alan Baker
Sep 24, 2021, 12:57:54 PM9/24/21
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>
> Specs, note the keyboard.
>
> HP ENVY Laptop - 15t touch H379430014
> • HP ENVY - 15t Touch Laptop
> • 1 TB PCIe® NVMe™ M.2 SSD
> • Full-size island-style backlit keyboard
> • 16GB DDR4-2133 SDRAM (2 x 8GB)
> • Intel® 802.11ac (2x2) Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® 4.2 Combo
> • 15.6" diagonal FHD IPS UWVA BrightView WLED-backlit (1920 x 1080) Touchscreen (for HD Camera)
> • Windows 10 Home 64
> • HP Wide Vision HD Webcam with Dual Digital Microphone (For Touch)
> • 3-cell 52 WHr Lithium-ion Battery
> • Intel® Core™ i7-7560U (2.4 GHz, up to 3.8 GHz, 4 MB cache, 2 cores) + Intel® Iris™ Plus Graphics 640
'Please enter a valid serial number, product number or product name'
But here is a current offering in that same space (ENVY 15" touchscreen):
<https://www.hp.com/ca-en/shop/product.aspx?id=10M52UA&opt=ABL&sel=NTB>
Note the lack of a "full-size" keyboard.
There are currently only two "ENVY" HP laptops for sale with numeric
keypads...
...and they're both 17" displays.
Michael Glasser
Sep 24, 2021, 3:06:24 PM9/24/21
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people about what he is, vs the single one he earned? Time to blame the
lack of many eyes!
I could respond to Chris directly but he's an imbecile who distorts your
words to effect his craving to call everyone a troll.
Chris says I'm not 'able' to call out their lies, and they aren't going
to admit to any prior harm they caused. Rather, I'm expected to ignore
it all, and let them start from scratch so they can just repeat the process
all over again, while they accept no responsibility for what they say and
do online towards myself?
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Branimir Maksimovic
Sep 24, 2021, 7:47:05 PM9/24/21
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He have tendency, not to know how to properly FORMAT TEXT.
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