OT: Got a really great deal...

[Alan Baker]

...on a 1998 Van Diemen Honda!

<https://static.wixstatic.com/media/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg/v1/fill/w_551,h_342,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg>

I don't know if that's my car or its sister, but that's what I'm buying.

A professionally prepared RF98 for Pro Formula F racing...

...sold to a guy for $43K who discovered he couldn't get medical
clearance for a racing license...

...sold to a guy who raced it once before deciding he'd rather race one
of his vintage cars (like his 2-time Indy 500 winning Provimi Veal
sponsored Lola)...

...and then sold to me.

At $25K, it was just too good to pass up.

:-)

[Thomas E.]

Wow, you finally followed my advice and ponied up the money for a modern car with a real engine. The SCCBC FF crowd is going to go ape-shit. Good luck, I hope it works out for you this summer! That's an incredible price too.

[Alan Baker]

Well thank you for that, Liarboy.

But I followed my OWN advice. I've known I wanted a Honda-engined
Formula F since I started having to keep a Kent in tune. For a club
racer, the convenience of an engine with electronic ignition (no
ignition timing to adjust), electronic fuel injection (no carburetor
jetting to change with changing conditions) and an alternator to keep
the battery charged (no need to charge the battery like the total loss
Kent-engined cars) is worth a lot. Not to mention that an engine running
with a restrictor and therefore operating at less than the stresses it
was designed for.

It just wasn't worth the $40K that had been the going price.

So hey: way to try and give yourself credit for something I knew before
you even knew why the name is now "Formula F".

[Thomas E.]

Liarboy, I seem to remember you passionately defending the antiquated Kent against my criticism. I seem to remember that I pointed the main Honda advantages (restrictor plate, FADEC, and fuel injection.) The alternator I missed. You said "so what" and continued to ramble on about the Kent.

LOL. There is going to be some major buzz in the pits when you show up on April 20!

[Alan Baker]

Then you are misremembering or (more likely) simply lying again.

What I defended was the Kent's PERFORMANCE against the Honda's, not its
ease of use. In fact, quite the opposite: I pointed out that the reason
a whole bunch of professional teams now ran the Honda was that it eased
the workload to keep a car running through a busy racing season.

But please, feel free to provide actual quotes, Liarboy.

Complete quotes only, thanks, with the text to which each was in reply.

:-)

>
> LOL. There is going to be some major buzz in the pits when you show
> up on April 20!

No, Liarboy. There will not. Because there is no reasonable way to keep
it a secret that I've bought a Honda.

[Thomas E.]

LOL, you have some really selective memories. There will be a buzz. All the FF drivers will want to see that new machine. You will walk around like a proud peacock - see what I have!

[Alan Baker]

And yet not a single actual quote to back up that claim...

> There will be a buzz.
> All the FF drivers will want to see that new machine. You will walk
> around like a proud peacock - see what I have!

I'm sure they will... ...but that's not "major buzz" when driver's come
over to check out the new car in the paddock. It's very minor buzz in fact.

Major buzz is when Ian Wood brings out his vintage McLaren to do demo
laps during the BCHMR.

<http://www.bchmr.ca/another-great-bchmr/>

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

When will you learn that Shitstain Baker is a low life Scumbag.

You wished it luck, and the POS wasn't man enough to thank you.

IT is a Dirt Bag, nothing, POS.

Maybe that little cocksucker will kill Itself in IT's racecar.

[Alan Baker]

You mean other than where I started with:

"Well thank you for that"

...right?

Is it that you're illiterate, or can you just not stop yourself from lying?

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

Hmmmmm...role reversal gets trundled out...+


...again.

>
> :-)


Do you really think that your snipping changed the context (look it up) of what you said, you low life Scumbag?

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

Are you so stoopid you forgot what you said in your gracious acceptance of his sincere "good luck", post?

"So hey: way to try and give yourself credit for something I knew before
you even knew why the name is now "Formula F"."

You are a Low Life Piece of shit with zero redeeming qualities. A Scumbag filled to overflowing.

:-)

[Thomas E.]

Uh, the first Honda powered FF will not cause a buzz?

Anyway, I made the suggestion that you get a Honda engine, you did it. You took my advice.

[Alan Baker]

Nope. Not really.

>
> Anyway, I made the suggestion that you get a Honda engine, you did it. You took my advice.

Nope. I'd long since realized the advantages offered by the Honda engine.

You offered a suggestion that was based on a false premise.
>

[michae...@gmail.com]

All true.

You should suggest to Shitstain that IT off Itself. Perhaps IT will take that suggestion also.

[Thomas E.]

I offered advice based on your apparent love affair with the Kent. So you lied about that too.

[Alan Baker]

No. I did not. You offered ill-considered "advice" based on your
misconception that the Honda was the more powerful engine, and I
explained that there were other reasons why the professional teams and
prep companies were running it.

[michae...@gmail.com]

Lying is a way of life with IT.

[michae...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 12:39:42 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:

Notice how Shitstain switched horses so abruptly?

I remember how IT thought the Kent was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

IT really is a sad, pathetic, nothing, Asshole.

Who in their right mind throws their business on the street in a newsgroup?

Answer, a little, insecure, masochistic narcissist.

Like who gives a shit about IT's pathetic, nothing life?

[Thomas E.]

Alan, you grossly misunderstand the difference. A Kent in top tune may have the same power, but that depends on it being in top tune. The Honda pretty much tunes itself over a broad range of RPM. The computer sets timing and mixture. There are no carb floats or jets, or distributor points, weights and springs. It's also a lot more reliable, and needs less maintenance.

If it does break, you can buy many parts at a Honda dealer, and you have factory support to lean on.

[Thomas E.]

Yep, par for the course. Everything is this self-centered misfit's idea.

[Alan Baker]

I didn't misunderstand anything, Liarboy. In fact, I told you must of that.

YOU claimed a Kent could not be competitive with a Honda. You were wrong.

>
> If it does break, you can buy many parts at a Honda dealer, and you
> have factory support to lean on.

And I knew all of that too.

[Thomas E.]

Actually you did not. I learned it here (or similar)

https://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/05/scca-approves-honda-fit-based-engine-for-formula-f/

Similar

http://autoweek.com/article/other-motorsports/honda-performance-development-stays-committed-formula-f

Your opinion of yourself as a source of Formula F knowledge is greatly exaggerated

[Alan Baker]

"most".

>>
>> YOU claimed a Kent could not be competitive with a Honda. You were wrong.
>>
>>>
>>> If it does break, you can buy many parts at a Honda dealer, and you
>>> have factory support to lean on.
>>
>> And I knew all of that too.
>
> Actually you did not. I learned it here (or similar)
>
> https://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/05/scca-approves-honda-fit-based-engine-for-formula-f/

Because you learned it there proves that I didn't know something?

LOL!

>
> Similar
>
> http://autoweek.com/article/other-motorsports/honda-performance-development-stays-committed-formula-f
>
> Your opinion of yourself as a source of Formula F knowledge is greatly exaggerated

LOL



>

[michae...@gmail.com]

IT's opinion of Itself as a source of knowledge about everything, is greatly exaggerated.

IOW: IT don't know shit.

[Thomas E.]

I'm sure that you knew those facts too. But when you claimed that you informed me of them you lied. I already knew them too.

[Alan Baker]

Whether you already knew theme or not doesn't change whether I told them
to you or not, Liarboy.

But I rate the chances that you knew a single thing about Formula Ford
(now Formula F, of course) before our discussions as precisely nil.

[Thomas E.]

Long before you explained anything I had already explored

http://www.thekentlives.com/
http://www.formulafordbc.com/

And the previously cited Honda sites. I have over 30 years of owning and driving Honda products - autos and motorcycles. I am quite familiar with the incredible engines they build.

The only item you revealed was the the F now stood for Ford and Fit.

LOL

[Alan Baker]

Easy to say...

>
> http://www.thekentlives.com/
> http://www.formulafordbc.com/
>
> And the previously cited Honda sites. I have over 30 years of owning and driving Honda products - autos and motorcycles. I am quite familiar with the incredible engines they build.
>
> The only item you revealed was the the F now stood for Ford and Fit.

LOL!

And none of that changes the fact that I told you about all of this...


...and you just didn't bother to pay attention.

[-hh]

On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 11:11:08 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 12:05:06 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> > On 2018-02-27 5:07 AM, Thomas E. wrote:

> > > [...]

> > >
> > > I'm sure that you knew those facts too. But when you claimed
> > > that you informed me of them you lied. I already knew them too.
> >
> > Whether you already knew theme or not doesn't change whether I
> > told them to you or not, Liarboy.
> >
> > But I rate the chances that you knew a single thing about Formula Ford
> > (now Formula F, of course) before our discussions as precisely nil.
>
> Long before you explained anything I had already explored
>
> http://www.thekentlives.com/
> http://www.formulafordbc.com/

Except that documentation in CSAM of Tommy's alleged knowledge via
these sources in the appropriate time period is .. where? Cite please.

> And the previously cited Honda sites.

How about a cite for these website too? Specifically, back in the period
where Alan first compared/contrasted Kents vs Honda motors in his Formula.

...because a verified source does go a lot further for actual
credibility than subsequent revisionism.


BTW, did happen across a tangential "really great deal"
for Tommy to go spend his pennies on; a different South
America cruise itinerary; 7d/6n, starting from only $1430:

<https://us.ponant.com/cruises/ocean-voyage-ocean-voyage-hanga-roa-valparaiso-a191018-4>


-hh

[michae...@gmail.com]

On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 9:33:48 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:19:02 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> > ...on a 1998 Van Diemen Honda!
> >
> > <https://static.wixstatic.com/media/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg/v1/fill/w_551,h_342,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg>
> >
> > I don't know if that's my car or its sister, but that's what I'm buying.
> >
> > A professionally prepared RF98 for Pro Formula F racing...
> >
> > ...sold to a guy for $43K who discovered he couldn't get medical
> > clearance for a racing license...
> >
> > ...sold to a guy who raced it once before deciding he'd rather race one
> > of his vintage cars (like his 2-time Indy 500 winning Provimi Veal
> > sponsored Lola)...
> >
> > ...and then sold to me.
> >
> > At $25K, it was just too good to pass up.
> >
> > :-)
>
> Wow, you finally followed my advice and ponied up the money for a modern car with a real engine. The SCCBC FF crowd is going to go ape-shit. Good luck, I hope it works out for you this summer! That's an incredible price too.

The guy "told" Shitstain he paid $43K. And Shitstain actually believed him.

These POS's are only worth $15K. Maybe less according to what Google is showing.

http://tinyurl.com/ycytj2ae

Like they say, "there's a sucker born....

[Alan Baker]

On 2018-03-06 11:30 AM, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 9:33:48 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:19:02 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> ...on a 1998 Van Diemen Honda!
>>>
>>> <https://static.wixstatic.com/media/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg/v1/fill/w_551,h_342,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg>
>>>
>>> I don't know if that's my car or its sister, but that's what I'm buying.
>>>
>>> A professionally prepared RF98 for Pro Formula F racing...
>>>
>>> ...sold to a guy for $43K who discovered he couldn't get medical
>>> clearance for a racing license...
>>>
>>> ...sold to a guy who raced it once before deciding he'd rather race one
>>> of his vintage cars (like his 2-time Indy 500 winning Provimi Veal
>>> sponsored Lola)...
>>>
>>> ...and then sold to me.
>>>
>>> At $25K, it was just too good to pass up.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> Wow, you finally followed my advice and ponied up the money for a modern car with a real engine. The SCCBC FF crowd is going to go ape-shit. Good luck, I hope it works out for you this summer! That's an incredible price too.
>
> The guy "told" Shitstain he paid $43K. And Shitstain actually believed him.

Actually, the company that sold it told me that.

>
> These POS's are only worth $15K. Maybe less according to what Google is showing.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ycytj2ae
>
> Like they say, "there's a sucker born....
>

Hmmm...

That's the older RF98K Van Diemen (you can tell by the shape of the side
pods and the roll bar), not the more desirable RF98 Formula Continental
converted back into a Formula F. Mine is this car:

<https://www.quantumracingservices.com/f1600>

And I do mean, that particular car.

In 1998, Van Diemen designed a new chassis for Formula Continental and
only updated the 1997 car for Formula F.

And then there's the fact that that car is a Kent, not a Honda:

'Fully rebuilt Kent engine in spring 2015'

Spring 2015 means 3 seasons of use, which for a Kent means in need of an
immediate rebuild.

And lastly, I looked into buying that car and spoke to a friend who runs
a very good race shop in Ontario, and he warned me off buying it.

:-)

But, hey: you go right ahead and show me a Honda-powered Formula F you
can buy for that amount.

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

Golly, lots or ranting, raving and babbling trying to rationalize how you weren't screwed by a used car salesman, but...

...you were.


Bottom line, I wouldn't be caught dead in that shitbox. A race car for rank dilettantes. Look it up.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

Simple facts, Michael. Like the simple fact that the kit to convert that
Kent-engined car you found to Honda power is $15K... ...and then there's
quite a bit of work to finish the conversion.

But fortunately for me, the guy who sold it is rich enough (actually
rich enough; not like your imaginary wealth) to own quite a few toys
(like the two-time Indy 500 winning Provimi Lola), and he's selling off
the ones he doesn't want. I was just looking in the right place at the
right time.

If you have the scratch—given that you're a "multi-millionaire" this
week—why don't you buy his Formula Enterprise. He's selling that for
$25K, which is also a pretty good deal.

Or if that's too fast (or too rich) for you, he's selling two Formula
Vees for $10K

:-)

>
>
> Bottom line, I wouldn't be caught dead in that shitbox. A race car for rank dilettantes. Look it up.

"Dilettantes" like a goodly number of Formula One drivers, Michael?

:-)

What's your race car, BTW?

[michae...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 2:44:28 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2018-03-06 11:30 AM, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 9:33:48 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
> >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:19:02 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>> ...on a 1998 Van Diemen Honda!
> >>>
> >>> <https://static.wixstatic.com/media/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg/v1/fill/w_551,h_342,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg>
> >>>
> >>> I don't know if that's my car or its sister, but that's what I'm buying.
> >>>
> >>> A professionally prepared RF98 for Pro Formula F racing...
> >>>
> >>> ...sold to a guy for $43K who discovered he couldn't get medical
> >>> clearance for a racing license...
> >>>
> >>> ...sold to a guy who raced it once before deciding he'd rather race one
> >>> of his vintage cars (like his 2-time Indy 500 winning Provimi Veal
> >>> sponsored Lola)...
> >>>
> >>> ...and then sold to me.
> >>>
> >>> At $25K, it was just too good to pass up.
> >>>
> >>> :-)
> >>
> >> Wow, you finally followed my advice and ponied up the money for a modern car with a real engine. The SCCBC FF crowd is going to go ape-shit. Good luck, I hope it works out for you this summer! That's an incredible price too.
> >
> > The guy "told" Shitstain he paid $43K. And Shitstain actually believed him.
>
> Actually, the company that sold it told me that.

Yeah, they saw a sucker. What did the "company" you bought it from pay?

You can bet less than the 25K you paid. A lot less. Or did they tell you they weren't making any money.

So you actually believe the guy bought a car for 43K, and sold it for a lot less than 20K. So the guy lost about 25K, is that what you really believe? Or is your story the usual Bullshit?

BWAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

SUCKA!!!

:-)

You really are sad. Shitstain.

[michae...@gmail.com]

Golly, more Shitstain deflections!!

:-)


>
> What's your race car, BTW?

Go to Lime Rock, Shitsatin. I'll show you, and spit in your ugly face.

OK...I can't enable you any longer. Your just going to have to find a way to fill in all that empty time you have on your hands.

Later, SUCKA.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

On 2018-03-06 3:38 PM, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 2:44:28 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2018-03-06 11:30 AM, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 9:33:48 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:19:02 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> ...on a 1998 Van Diemen Honda!
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://static.wixstatic.com/media/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg/v1/fill/w_551,h_342,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if that's my car or its sister, but that's what I'm buying.
>>>>>
>>>>> A professionally prepared RF98 for Pro Formula F racing...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...sold to a guy for $43K who discovered he couldn't get medical
>>>>> clearance for a racing license...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...sold to a guy who raced it once before deciding he'd rather race one
>>>>> of his vintage cars (like his 2-time Indy 500 winning Provimi Veal
>>>>> sponsored Lola)...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...and then sold to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> At $25K, it was just too good to pass up.
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Wow, you finally followed my advice and ponied up the money for a modern car with a real engine. The SCCBC FF crowd is going to go ape-shit. Good luck, I hope it works out for you this summer! That's an incredible price too.
>>>
>>> The guy "told" Shitstain he paid $43K. And Shitstain actually believed him.
>>
>> Actually, the company that sold it told me that.
>
>
> Yeah, they saw a sucker. What did the "company" you bought it from pay?

I mean that company that sold it to the previous owner from whom I
bought it. Racers are a great community and they're more than willing to
help out other racers, so I contacted the company who used to own and
run it in the pro series about it before deciding whether or not to buy
it from the current owner. Wendell had no stake in lying to me, and I
also know what cars like these actually cost.

>
> You can bet less than the 25K you paid. A lot less. Or did they tell you they weren't making any money.

I didn't buy it from a company. I bought from an individual.

>
> So you actually believe the guy bought a car for 43K, and sold it for a lot less than 20K. So the guy lost about 25K, is that what you really believe? Or is your story the usual Bullshit?
>
> BWAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>
> SUCKA!!!
>
> :-)
>
> You really are sad. Shitstain.

What's your race car again, Michael?

You're a "multi-millionaire", so why don't you come on out to my track
and show me your stuff? Or would you be more comfortable if it was
autocross?

:-)

:-)
>

[Alan Baker]

What did I deflect from, Michael.

You pointed out a car that doesn't have a Honda and from which I was
warned away.

:-)

>
> :-)
>
>
>>
>> What's your race car, BTW?
>
> Go to Lime Rock, Shitsatin. I'll show you, and spit in your ugly face.

So we can autocross?

>
> OK...I can't enable you any longer. Your just going to have to find a way to fill in all that empty time you have on your hands.
>
> Later, SUCKA.

How many times have you failed at this, Michael?

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

yaaaaaawwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn


:-)

[Alan Baker]

Actual text from my friend with the race shop:

First message:

'I hesitate to say this but be prepared to spend a bunch. They sold a
rf91 to a friend of mine and it's take a bunch of work and money.'

Second message:

'It has been sold, came to near here. It needs a total restoration
which the fellow intends to do. I won’t say what I really think of the
condition.... '

But you go ahead and tell us how clever you are to find that car.

:-)

>>
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's your race car, BTW?
>>>
>>> Go to Lime Rock, Shitsatin. I'll show you, and spit in your ugly face.
>>
>> So we can autocross?

Well? Maybe since you're a "multi-millionaire", you can make it out here
to my track.

:-)

>>
>>>
>>> OK...I can't enable you any longer. Your just going to have to find a way to fill in all that empty time you have on your hands.
>>>
>>> Later, SUCKA.
>>
>> How many times have you failed at this, Michael?
>>
>> :-)
>
> yaaaaaawwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

And the failures increase....

:-)

Did you find that $15,000 Van Diemen Honda yet?

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

You seem demented. Coming unhinged?

Good.

[Alan Baker]

Do I seem demented to you? How so specifically?

You seem to be unable to live up to your own vows to yourself.

How do I know that, you ask? You're here.

[michae...@gmail.com]

On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 9:33:48 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:19:02 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> > ...on a 1998 Van Diemen Honda!
> >
> > <https://static.wixstatic.com/media/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg/v1/fill/w_551,h_342,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg>
> >
> > I don't know if that's my car or its sister, but that's what I'm buying.
> >
> > A professionally prepared RF98 for Pro Formula F racing...
> >
> > ...sold to a guy for $43K who discovered he couldn't get medical
> > clearance for a racing license...
> >
> > ...sold to a guy who raced it once before deciding he'd rather race one
> > of his vintage cars (like his 2-time Indy 500 winning Provimi Veal
> > sponsored Lola)...
> >
> > ...and then sold to me.
> >
> > At $25K, it was just too good to pass up.
> >
> > :-)
>
> Wow, you finally followed my advice and ponied up the money for a modern car with a real engine. The SCCBC FF crowd is going to go ape-shit. Good luck, I hope it works out for you this summer! That's an incredible price too.

Google 1998 Van Diemen RF98.

Twenty YsO!!!

Plenty of perfect ones out there for sale at $12K - $15K.

Like they say, there's a SUCKA born every minute. And those used car salesmen are great in reeling in the assholes.

[Alan Baker]

On 2018-03-07 9:40 AM, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 9:33:48 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:19:02 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker
>> wrote:
>>> ...on a 1998 Van Diemen Honda!
>>>
>>> <https://static.wixstatic.com/media/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg/v1/fill/w_551,h_342,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg>
>>>
>>>
>>>
I don't know if that's my car or its sister, but that's what I'm buying.
>>>
>>> A professionally prepared RF98 for Pro Formula F racing...
>>>
>>> ...sold to a guy for $43K who discovered he couldn't get medical
>>> clearance for a racing license...
>>>
>>> ...sold to a guy who raced it once before deciding he'd rather
>>> race one of his vintage cars (like his 2-time Indy 500 winning
>>> Provimi Veal sponsored Lola)...
>>>
>>> ...and then sold to me.
>>>
>>> At $25K, it was just too good to pass up.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> Wow, you finally followed my advice and ponied up the money for a
>> modern car with a real engine. The SCCBC FF crowd is going to go
>> ape-shit. Good luck, I hope it works out for you this summer!
>> That's an incredible price too.
>
>
> Google 1998 Van Diemen RF98.

Do that.

>
> Twenty YsO!!!

And yet it's still competitive at national championships.

:-)

>
> Plenty of perfect ones out there for sale at $12K - $15K.

No. There are not.

>
> Like they say, there's a SUCKA born every minute. And those used car
> salesmen are great in reeling in the assholes.

Still waiting to see the Honda engined $15K car...

[michae...@gmail.com]

On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 9:33:48 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:19:02 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> > ...on a 1998 Van Diemen Honda!
> >
> > <https://static.wixstatic.com/media/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg/v1/fill/w_551,h_342,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg>
> >
> > I don't know if that's my car or its sister, but that's what I'm buying.
> >
> > A professionally prepared RF98 for Pro Formula F racing...
> >
> > ...sold to a guy for $43K who discovered he couldn't get medical
> > clearance for a racing license...
> >
> > ...sold to a guy who raced it once before deciding he'd rather race one
> > of his vintage cars (like his 2-time Indy 500 winning Provimi Veal
> > sponsored Lola)...
> >
> > ...and then sold to me.
> >
> > At $25K, it was just too good to pass up.
> >
> > :-)
>
> Wow, you finally followed my advice and ponied up the money for a modern car with a real engine. The SCCBC FF crowd is going to go ape-shit. Good luck, I hope it works out for you this summer! That's an incredible price too.

Yeah, the used car salesman reeled Shitstain in like the fish IT is. Got 10K -12K more than that shitbox is worth.

Kinda like how we reel IT in, here.

IT's a SUCKA.

[michae...@gmail.com]

On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 9:33:48 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:19:02 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> > ...on a 1998 Van Diemen Honda!
> >
> > <https://static.wixstatic.com/media/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg/v1/fill/w_551,h_342,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg>
> >
> > I don't know if that's my car or its sister, but that's what I'm buying.
> >
> > A professionally prepared RF98 for Pro Formula F racing...
> >
> > ...sold to a guy for $43K who discovered he couldn't get medical
> > clearance for a racing license...
> >
> > ...sold to a guy who raced it once before deciding he'd rather race one
> > of his vintage cars (like his 2-time Indy 500 winning Provimi Veal
> > sponsored Lola)...
> >
> > ...and then sold to me.
> >
> > At $25K, it was just too good to pass up.
> >
> > :-)
>
> Wow, you finally followed my advice and ponied up the money for a modern car with a real engine. The SCCBC FF crowd is going to go ape-shit. Good luck, I hope it works out for you this summer! That's an incredible price too.

The car salesman probably said to Shitstain Baker, "with a car like this you could WIN, instead of losing all the time"

And Shitstain, being the idiot IT is, actually believed..... a used car salesman!!!

[Alan Baker]

You really are in a rave over this, aren't you?

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

Awwww...poor little Shitstain is forced to resort to "role reversal". Tsk, tsk.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

Have you found that $15K Van Diemen Honda yet, Michael?

Let me help you out a little:

<http://hpd.honda.com/racing-line/racing-line-store/part.aspx?program=formula-f&number=06000F21SC201>

So tell me, Michael:

Since the kit to convert an RF99 (which will also work with the RF98 FC
that my car started out as) costs $16.5K...

...how do you suppose you're going to find one for $15K complete?

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

LOL!!!

[Alan Baker]

Can't find one, huh?

Yeah...

So tell me: what's your race car? Got a pic?

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

Comon, Shitstain, we both know they're out there. I'm not going to work for nothing for a nothing such as you.

>
> Yeah...
>
> So tell me: what's your race car? Got a pic?

I don't share my life with scumbags such as you.

Meet me at Lime Rock and I'll show you, and spit in your ugly face.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

No, actually.

I know they are NOT out there... ...because I've looked.

I have found precisely two FF Hondas offered for less than I bought mine
for; bother were asking $20K and I didn't want either.

>>
>> Yeah...
>>
>> So tell me: what's your race car? Got a pic?
>
>
> I don't share my life with scumbags such as you.

You mean you'll talk and talk, but you never have proof.

>
> Meet me at Lime Rock and I'll show you, and spit in your ugly face.

Meet me at Mission, present your racing license and I'll school you.

Oh.. ...but you'd actually have to have a license, now wouldn't you?

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

"Proof"? To a nothing shitstain such as you?

> >
> > Meet me at Lime Rock and I'll show you, and spit in your ugly face.
>
> Meet me at Mission, present your racing license and I'll school you.
>
> Oh.. ...but you'd actually have to have a license, now wouldn't you?
>
> :-)

More demented raves.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

No clever comeback, Michael?

What am I saying? You never have a CLEVER comeback.

:-)

>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah...
>>>>
>>>> So tell me: what's your race car? Got a pic?
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't share my life with scumbags such as you.
>>
>> You mean you'll talk and talk, but you never have proof.
>
> "Proof"? To a nothing shitstain such as you?

As I said, all talk.

>
>
>
>>>
>>> Meet me at Lime Rock and I'll show you, and spit in your ugly face.
>>
>> Meet me at Mission, present your racing license and I'll school you.
>>
>> Oh.. ...but you'd actually have to have a license, now wouldn't you?
>>
>> :-)
>
>
> More demented raves.

Do you have a racing license, Michael?

[Thomas E.]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 5:05:30 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 11:11:08 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 12:05:06 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> > > On 2018-02-27 5:07 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure that you knew those facts too. But when you claimed
> > > > that you informed me of them you lied. I already knew them too.
> > >
> > > Whether you already knew theme or not doesn't change whether I
> > > told them to you or not, Liarboy.
> > >
> > > But I rate the chances that you knew a single thing about Formula Ford
> > > (now Formula F, of course) before our discussions as precisely nil.
> >
> > Long before you explained anything I had already explored
> >
> > http://www.thekentlives.com/
> > http://www.formulafordbc.com/
>
> Except that documentation in CSAM of Tommy's alleged knowledge via
> these sources in the appropriate time period is .. where? Cite please.
>
>
>
> > And the previously cited Honda sites.
>
> How about a cite for these website too? Specifically, back in the period
> where Alan first compared/contrasted Kents vs Honda motors in his Formula.
>
> ...because a verified source does go a lot further for actual
> credibility than subsequent revisionism.
>
>
> BTW, did happen across a tangential "really great deal"
> for Tommy to go spend his pennies on; a different South
> America cruise itinerary; 7d/6n, starting from only $1430:
>
> <https://us.ponant.com/cruises/ocean-voyage-ocean-voyage-hanga-roa-valparaiso-a191018-4>
>
>
> -hh
Good price for 7 days. Mine is 16 days, over 2x as long.

[Thomas E.]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:33:53 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:

> On 2018-03-04 8:11 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 12:05:06 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> >> On 2018-02-27 5:07 AM, Thomas E. wrote:

> >>> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 1:33:05 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>> On 2018-02-25 9:01 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 7:24:38 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2018-02-25 4:23 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 12:48:07 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2018-02-21 9:39 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 1:08:39 AM UTC-5, Alan Baker
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2018-02-20 5:51 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 3:51:20 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-02-19 12:46 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 3:34:12 PM UTC-5, Alan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Baker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-02-19 12:27 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 1:07:33 PM UTC-5,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-02-19 6:33 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:19:02 PM UTC-5,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...on a 1998 Van Diemen Honda!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://static.wixstatic.com/media/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg/v1/fill/w_551,h_342,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/5e6366_ec4c38e8461c4ed3a47e0d5737cca0d9.jpg>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't know if that's my car or its sister, but that's what I'm buying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A professionally prepared RF98 for Pro Formula
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> F racing...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...sold to a guy for $43K who discovered he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't get medical clearance for a racing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> license...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...sold to a guy who raced it once before
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deciding he'd rather race one of his vintage
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cars (like his 2-time Indy 500 winning Provimi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Veal sponsored Lola)...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and then sold to me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At $25K, it was just too good to pass up.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you finally followed my advice and ponied up
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the money for a modern car with a real engine.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The SCCBC FF crowd is going to go ape-shit. Good
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> luck, I hope it works out for you this summer!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's an incredible price too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well thank you for that, Liarboy.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I followed my OWN advice. I've known I wanted
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Honda-engined Formula F since I started having to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep a Kent in tune. For a club racer, the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convenience of an engine with electronic ignition
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (no ignition timing to adjust), electronic fuel
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> injection (no carburetor jetting to change with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing conditions) and an alternator to keep the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> battery charged (no need to charge the battery like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the total loss Kent-engined cars) is worth a lot.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention that an engine running with a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restrictor and therefore operating at less than
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the stresses it was designed for.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It just wasn't worth the $40K that had been the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going price.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So hey: way to try and give yourself credit for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something I knew before you even knew why the name
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is now "Formula F".
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liarboy, I seem to remember you passionately
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defending the antiquated Kent against my criticism. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to remember that I pointed the main Honda
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advantages (restrictor plate, FADEC, and fuel
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> injection.) The alternator I missed. You said "so
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what" and continued to ramble on about the Kent.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you are misremembering or (more likely) simply
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lying again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I defended was the Kent's PERFORMANCE against the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honda's, not its ease of use. In fact, quite the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> opposite: I pointed out that the reason a whole bunch
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of professional teams now ran the Honda was that it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eased the workload to keep a car running through a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> busy racing season.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But please, feel free to provide actual quotes,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liarboy.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Complete quotes only, thanks, with the text to which
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each was in reply.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL. There is going to be some major buzz in the pits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you show up on April 20!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Liarboy. There will not. Because there is no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable way to keep it a secret that I've bought a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honda.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL, you have some really selective memories.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And yet not a single actual quote to back up that claim...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There will be a buzz. All the FF drivers will want to see
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that new machine. You will walk around like a proud
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> peacock - see what I have!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they will... ...but that's not "major buzz" when
> >>>>>>>>>>>> driver's come over to check out the new car in the paddock.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's very minor buzz in fact.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Major buzz is when Ian Wood brings out his vintage McLaren
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to do demo laps during the BCHMR.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.bchmr.ca/another-great-bchmr/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Uh, the first Honda powered FF will not cause a buzz?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Nope. Not really.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I made the suggestion that you get a Honda engine,
> >>>>>>>>>>> you did it. You took my advice.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Nope. I'd long since realized the advantages offered by the
> >>>>>>>>>> Honda engine.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You offered a suggestion that was based on a false premise.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I offered advice based on your apparent love affair with the
> >>>>>>>>> Kent. So you lied about that too.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> No. I did not. You offered ill-considered "advice" based on your
> >>>>>>>> misconception that the Honda was the more powerful engine, and I
> >>>>>>>> explained that there were other reasons why the professional teams
> >>>>>>>> and prep companies were running it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Alan, you grossly misunderstand the difference. A Kent in top tune
> >>>>>>> may have the same power, but that depends on it being in top tune.
> >>>>>>> The Honda pretty much tunes itself over a broad range of RPM. The
> >>>>>>> computer sets timing and mixture. There are no carb floats or jets,
> >>>>>>> or distributor points, weights and springs. It's also a lot more
> >>>>>>> reliable, and needs less maintenance.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I didn't misunderstand anything, Liarboy. In fact, I told you must of that.
> >>>>
> >>>> "most".
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> YOU claimed a Kent could not be competitive with a Honda. You were wrong.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If it does break, you can buy many parts at a Honda dealer, and you
> >>>>>>> have factory support to lean on.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And I knew all of that too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Actually you did not. I learned it here (or similar)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/05/scca-approves-honda-fit-based-engine-for-formula-f/
> >>>>
> >>>> Because you learned it there proves that I didn't know something?
> >>>>
> >>>> LOL!
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Similar
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://autoweek.com/article/other-motorsports/honda-performance-development-stays-committed-formula-f
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Your opinion of yourself as a source of Formula F knowledge is greatly exaggerated
> >>>>
> >>>> LOL

> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm sure that you knew those facts too. But when you claimed that you informed me of them you lied. I already knew them too.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Whether you already knew theme or not doesn't change whether I told them
> >> to you or not, Liarboy.
> >>
> >> But I rate the chances that you knew a single thing about Formula Ford
> >> (now Formula F, of course) before our discussions as precisely nil.
> >
> > Long before you explained anything I had already explored
>

> Easy to say...
>
> >
> > http://www.thekentlives.com/
> > http://www.formulafordbc.com/
> >
> > And the previously cited Honda sites. I have over 30 years of owning and driving Honda products - autos and motorcycles. I am quite familiar with the incredible engines they build.
> >
> > The only item you revealed was the the F now stood for Ford and Fit.
>
> LOL!
>
> And none of that changes the fact that I told you about all of this...
>
>
> ...and you just didn't bother to pay attention.

And that is total BS. You repeated what I already knew from web searches.
Namely, that the Honda Fit is a much better engine than the antique Kent.

[Alan Baker]

On 2018-03-07 4:47 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> I'm sure that you knew those facts too. But when you claimed that you informed me of them you lied. I already knew them too.
>>>>>
>>>> Whether you already knew theme or not doesn't change whether I told them
>>>> to you or not, Liarboy.
>>>>
>>>> But I rate the chances that you knew a single thing about Formula Ford
>>>> (now Formula F, of course) before our discussions as precisely nil.
>>> Long before you explained anything I had already explored
>> Easy to say...
>>
>>> http://www.thekentlives.com/
>>> http://www.formulafordbc.com/
>>>
>>> And the previously cited Honda sites. I have over 30 years of owning and driving Honda products - autos and motorcycles. I am quite familiar with the incredible engines they build.
>>>
>>> The only item you revealed was the the F now stood for Ford and Fit.
>> LOL!
>>
>> And none of that changes the fact that I told you about all of this...
>>
>>
>> ...and you just didn't bother to pay attention.
> And that is total BS. You repeated what I already knew from web searches.
> Namely, that the Honda Fit is a much better engine than the antique Kent.

And you were looking this stuff up before our discussions...

...why exactly, Liarboy?

[michae...@gmail.com]

It should be amusing to see how well Shitstain does next racing season. IT probably believes that a, he, he, he "better" car, will allow IT to win.

But the problem was never the car. The car just didn't crash into all those other cars on it's own.

Plus, Shitstain is frightened of speed. You have seen the videos of IT toodeling around like IT was on a Sunday drive, haven't you? IT likes to take turns wide and slow and cut into passing traffic because IT can't seem to steer and think at the same time.

My grandma could outdrive that Asshole.

[Alan Baker]

On 2018-03-08 4:43 AM, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Long before you explained anything I had already explored
>>> Easy to say...
>>>
>>>> http://www.thekentlives.com/
>>>> http://www.formulafordbc.com/
>>>>
>>>> And the previously cited Honda sites. I have over 30 years of owning and driving Honda products - autos and motorcycles. I am quite familiar with the incredible engines they build.
>>>>
>>>> The only item you revealed was the the F now stood for Ford and Fit.
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> And none of that changes the fact that I told you about all of this...
>>>
>>>
>>> ...and you just didn't bother to pay attention.
>> And that is total BS. You repeated what I already knew from web searches.
>> Namely, that the Honda Fit is a much better engine than the antique Kent.
> It should be amusing to see how well Shitstain does next racing season. IT probably believes that a, he, he, he "better" car, will allow IT to win.
>
> But the problem was never the car. The car just didn't crash into all those other cars on it's own.
>
> Plus, Shitstain is frightened of speed. You have seen the videos of IT toodeling around like IT was on a Sunday drive, haven't you? IT likes to take turns wide and slow and cut into passing traffic because IT can't seem to steer and think at the same time.
>
> My grandma could outdrive that Asshole.

LOL!

I won two races and turned lap times as fast or faster than the best FF
drivers out there, Michael.

Facts trump your raving.

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

Two races, in four seasons!!! Impreeeeesssssiiiivvvveeeeeeee.

BWAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

One of the races was by default come to think of it.

You are, and always will be a loser, and your daddi know it.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

Amazingly, one gets better at things as one gains experience.

:-)

>
> BWAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
>
> One of the races was by default come to think of it.

Really? Which one was that?

>
> You are, and always will be a loser, and your daddi know it.

Have you found that $15K Van Diemen Honda yet? Maybe you can buy it, and
come out and show me your stuff. You know... ...being a
"multi-millionaire" and all.

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

Upon reflection, why don't you prove your bullshit story wins.

There was one that was questionable, but only one. Else you would have been trumpeting them all over Usenet.

ESAD. The world would be better off without you.

[michae...@gmail.com]

Really, I don't remember either. Suppose you prove it, Shitstain.

>
> >
> > You are, and always will be a loser, and your daddi know it.
>
> Have you found that $15K Van Diemen Honda yet? Maybe you can buy it, and
> come out and show me your stuff. You know... ...being a
> "multi-millionaire" and all.
>
> :-)

Awwwwww, Shitstain is forced to resort to smoke and hot air.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

Unlike you, I can and do prove what I say:

April 29, 2017:

<https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Sessions/4349431>

Not just first in class, but first overall, beating both an FC driven by
eventual winner of that class for the season and an F1000 which is a car
with a lap record more than 6 seconds better than the FF. My best lap
was only about 7 hundredths of a second slower than the best lap of the
race (by the aforementioned FC).

August 19, 2017:

<https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Sessions/4563542#all-results>

First in FF and second overall behind a much, much faster car driven by
a four time SCCA Runoffs champion.

>
> There was one that was questionable, but only one. Else you would have been trumpeting them all over Usenet.

You lose. And you'vw also proven yourself a liar (again) because you
previously commented on both of these wins.

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/AeDDyUvqG2Q/aP_OB5EdAgAJ>

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/nk1b3jEvtWE/QnYOMz4ECgAJ>

[Alan Baker]

I already proved I did win two races last year, Michael.

Your claim is that I won by default...

...so you prove it.

>
>
>>
>>>
>>> You are, and always will be a loser, and your daddi know it.
>>
>> Have you found that $15K Van Diemen Honda yet? Maybe you can buy it, and
>> come out and show me your stuff. You know... ...being a
>> "multi-millionaire" and all.
>>
>> :-)
>
> Awwwwww, Shitstain is forced to resort to smoke and hot air.

The smoke and hot air is all yours, Michael.

Found that car yet?

[michae...@gmail.com]

My goodness!!!!! Quite some raves. You sound demented.

:-)

And no proof. No surprise.

[Alan Baker]

I provided in reply to your OTHER recent post, Michael:

'Upon reflection, why don't you prove your bullshit story wins.

There was one that was questionable, but only one. Else you would have

been trumpeting them all over Usenet.'
<d9a4a90b-d0ab-40a6...@googlegroups.com>


To which I replied with this:

'Unlike you, I can and do prove what I say:

April 29, 2017:

<https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Sessions/4349431>

Not just first in class, but first overall, beating both an FC driven by
eventual winner of that class for the season and an F1000 which is a car
with a lap record more than 6 seconds better than the FF. My best lap
was only about 7 hundredths of a second slower than the best lap of the
race (by the aforementioned FC).

August 19, 2017:

<https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Sessions/4563542#all-results>

First in FF and second overall behind a much, much faster car driven by

a four time SCCA Runoffs champion.'
<p7s5j6$m53$1...@gioia.aioe.org>


But you'll now try and pretend that exchange never happened, right?

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

So you beat the second string once, on a fluke. And you finished second, once.

BFD.

Is that like you being prom king? But we know you never had a date for the prom.

IAE: keep up the demented raving. It's amusing.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

No. I beat the first string twice, Michael. I won both those FF races
over Doug Floer who went on to win the championship.

The car to which I finished second in August was in a completely
different class.

Sorry you haven't yet figured out multi-class race groups.

[michae...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 3:46:25 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2018-03-08 12:42 PM, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> >> On 2018-03-08 12:00 PM, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 2:47:56 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>> On 2018-03-08 11:45 AM, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 1:43:51 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2018-03-08 4:43 AM, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Long before you explained anything I had already explored
> >>>>>>>>> Easy to say...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.thekentlives.com/
> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.formulafordbc.com/

BTW, Shitstain, the races are divided by classes. So you lied...

...yet again.

But keep raving. I'm moving on. You can now be a self proclaimed winner.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

On 2018-03-08 12:52 PM, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 3:46:25 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2018-03-08 12:42 PM, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 3:15:38 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2018-03-08 12:00 PM, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 2:47:56 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2018-03-08 11:45 AM, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 1:43:51 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2018-03-08 4:43 AM, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Long before you explained anything I had already explored
>>>>>>>>>>> Easy to say...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.thekentlives.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.formulafordbc.com/
>
>
>
> BTW, Shitstain, the races are divided by classes. So you lied...

The races are divided by classes, as I explicitly pointed out with the
words "first overall" and "first in class".

>
> ...yet again.
>
> But keep raving. I'm moving on. You can now be a self proclaimed winner.

You're running away...

...again...

...if you actually have the willpower.

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

yaaaawwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...raving...

...still.

Guess you didn't win after all. But you are, and always will be...

...a loser.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

> ...a loser.\

Looks like you didn't have the willpower...

...just as I predicted.

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

Golly....still babbling like a demented baboon.!!!! And smells as bad!!

:-)

[Alan Baker]

Wow. You can't stop coming back for more, can you!

You got beat and you pretend you won, and say you're "moving on"...

...but here you are!

LOL!

[michae...@gmail.com]

WOW!!!! You just can't help raving. You were shown for the liar you are and just can't accept it.

FYI: If I were your daddies son, he would have been very proud of me, and my accomplishments.

As for you, he thought you were a DLS. And he was correct, you are a...

...DLS.

LOL!!

[michae...@gmail.com]

OK, gotta go now, Shitstain. I have a dinner res at The Woods. Nice place, but a nickel and dimer such as you will never get to dine in such a place.

I'll get my dog Mugsy, a filet. You OTOH will be sucking on a hot dog. Literally.

Bye.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

No. I showed the proof you asked for.

No reasonable person expects that I need to win over anything other than
other Formula Fords, Michael, but I still did win one race overall.

>
> FYI: If I were your daddies son, he would have been very proud of
> me, and my accomplishments.

I told you, Michael: "daddies" is the plural, "daddy's" is the possessive.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

Like I can't afford a $39 rack of lamb?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLL

>
> I'll get my dog Mugsy, a filet. You OTOH will be sucking on a hot
> dog. Literally.

Actually, tonight I'll be joining my brother and family for our weekly
dinner before we do some more recording.

:-)

>
> Bye.

Do you mean it this time?

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

Of course you can, as long as your bro or mommie picks up the tab.

>
> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLL
>
> >
> > I'll get my dog Mugsy, a filet. You OTOH will be sucking on a hot
> > dog. Literally.
>
> Actually, tonight I'll be joining my brother and family for our weekly
> dinner before we do some more recording.

Are you going to take a shower and put on some clean clothes for the occasion?


I ordered a small filet for Mugsy, the waiter handed me one with the chefs compliments(he has met Mugsy), and said, "here is one that is a little small for us to serve, but we're sure Mugsy will love it."

[Alan Baker]

Have you found that $15K Van Diemen Honda yet?

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

Google could be your friend, but you really believed the used car salesman was.

NEWSFLASH.. He wasn't, he screwed you royally. And now you are forced to defend your screw-up.

But the sad reality is; inheritance babies aren't too good with the value of a dollar.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

If that were true, it could be your friend...

...but you can't produce a single thing.

:-)

>
> NEWSFLASH.. He wasn't, he screwed you royally. And now you are forced to defend your screw-up.
>
> But the sad reality is; inheritance babies aren't too good with the value of a dollar.
>
> :-)
>

Figured out multi-class run groups yet?

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

Much newer, Shitstin.

http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/vandiemn/1157731498/1157731498ss.htm

[Alan Baker]

Not a formula ford, Michael.

That's a car I can't run in any class in North America.

It's still more than $15K.

Or don't you understand foreign currencies?

[michae...@gmail.com]

You only "won" because the second string was racing, and the fastest guy had a motor issue. Your times were well below the average.


But it's going to be a long time before you "win" anothr.

I see long string of crashes coming.

Advise; when you're toodling along with your head up your ass as if you're the only guy on the track, look before you cut over.


BTW; how much money did you "win"?

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

The car is much newer than yours, Shitstain, or don't you understand that a much newer year costs more money. And $18K for something four years newer is $7K less than what you got screwed out of.

You asked, I gave you a link, now fuck off, I can't keep enabling you.

Advise, get out of the house, get a job, or, do some charitable work, take a shower, put on some clean clothes or off yourself.

[Alan Baker]

The car is FIVE years newer... ...and completely irrelevant...

...because it's not a Formula F.

Hint: in the racing game, finding oddball cars you can't run in any
group is easy.

:-)

>
> You asked, I gave you a link, now fuck off, I can't keep enabling you.

You googled "van diemen honda 15000" and clicked on the first link you
saw...

...and it was wrong.

[Alan Baker]

I beat Doug both times, Michael. Given that he went on to win the season
championship and is the current lap record holder in FF, how do you
figure he's second string?

And if my times were "well below average", how is it that I won over him
and not someone else?

>
>
> But it's going to be a long time before you "win" anothr.
>
> I see long string of crashes coming.
>
> Advise; when you're toodling along with your head up your ass as if
> you're the only guy on the track, look before you cut over.

LOL!

>
>
> BTW; how much money did you "win"?

This is club racing, Michael.

[michae...@gmail.com]

My goodness, a desperate deflection!!

Bottom line, you could have gotten a car FOUR YEARS NEWER, for SEVEN THOUSAND LESS!!

Now lets hear you crow again about your "great deal".

But I'll keep my eye open for one for $15K. I'm sure one will turn up.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

Bottom line:

It's not a Formula F.

It wasn't for sale, but it was sold and you don't know when, and
therefore you don't know the exchange rate at the time of the sale.

Oh, and don't forget the greater cost of shipping from Europe which
would easily add another $2K to its cost.

:-)

>
> Now lets hear you crow again about your "great deal".
>
> But I'll keep my eye open for one for $15K. I'm sure one will turn up.

So far, you're batting zero.

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

So far the only thing you're doing is blowing smoke and deflections.

You lost, loser.

Bottom line; the used car salesman fucked you. You spent at least $7k more for a four year older car.

:-)

OK, you lost, want to crawl into the tall weeds to lick your wounds, or do I have to kick your head in more?

:-)

[Alan Baker]

It's not a deflection that I was buying a Formula F, and you understood
that with your first "find".

>
> You lost, loser.
>
> Bottom line; the used car salesman fucked you. You spent at least
> $7k more for a four year older car.

Bottom line:

Not a Formula F.

Actual sale price in dollars unknown because you presented a car sold in
Euros at some past date for which you don't know the exchange rate.

Additional costs with shipping a car from Europe would have to be
factored in.

>
> :-)
>
> OK, you lost, want to crawl into the tall weeds to lick your wounds,
> or do I have to kick your head in more?

LOL!

>
> :-)
>

[michae...@gmail.com]

It can be run in FF, liarboy. Without a problem.

Now run along and off yourself, you lost, and I, WON!!!

[Alan Baker]

No. It can't. You can't run anything in FF that doesn't match the rules
found in:

<https://www.scca.com/downloads/40283-gcr-march-2018/download>

Which says:

'Formula F: A formula for single-seat, tubular frame, flat bottom,
open-wheel racing cars using standard Ford 1600 “crossflow” pushrod
engines, or a Honda Fit 1500 (L15A7) overhead cam engine, with firewall,
floor, and safety equipment conforming to the GCR.'

Your Honda motorcyle-engined "Formula X" Van Diemen isn't eligible.

[michae...@gmail.com]

yaaaaawwwwnnnnnnnnnnn FIVE YEARS NEWER, SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS CHEAPER!!!

Rave on, Shitstain.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

And still not of any use...

...because it's not a Formula F...

...and you still don't actually know what it cost...

...because you don't know when it was sold.

So you still haven't found a Van Diemen Honda I could have actually
bought...

...much less the Van Diemen Honda Formula F you were supposed to find.

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

Rave on, Shitstain.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

"Five years newer"? Yup. Not very important, but true.

"Seven thousand dollars cheaper"? Well no one can know that, because we
don't know the exchange rate when it sold.

But most of all, it's not eligible for my racing class.

>
> Rave on, Shitstain.

Irony.

:-)

[michae...@gmail.com]

As I said, rave on.

:-)