iPhone outsells ALL smartphones in July
Oxford
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(Reuters) - Apple Inc's iPhone outsold all smartphones in the United
States in July, its first full month on sale, accounting for 1.8 percent
of all U.S. mobile handset sales, research group iSuppli said on Tuesday.
ISuppli reiterated its forecast that Apple would sell 4.5 million
iPhones this year, rising to more than 30 million in 2011.
The two models of the iPhone on the market sold more than Research in
Motion's Blackberry series, the entire Palm portfolio and any individual
smartphone model from Motorola, Nokia or Samsung.
ISuppli classifies the iPhone as a crossover phone that competes with
both smartphones, which have personal computer-like functions such as
e-mail, and feature phones, which have extras such as cameras and music
players.
"While iSuppli has not collected historical information on this topic,
it's likely that the speed of the iPhone's rise to competitive dominance
in its segment is unprecedented in the history of the mobile-handset
market," iSuppli said.
"Apple achieved this in the face of numerous, well-entrenched
competitors."
Most buyers of iPhones in the United States in July were male, under 35
and had a college degree, iSuppli said.
A quarter of those who bought an iPhone switched to operator AT&T, which
has an exclusive service agreement for the iPhone in the United States.
The iPhone will go on sale in Europe later this year.
Larry
DD9A61.091...@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net:
> rising to more than 30 million in 2011.
Apple thinks iPhone sales will last 4 more years? I predict it may last 6
months to a year...but someone will trump it LONG before 4 years is up and
the Yuppie class will move on! They've NEVER had a phone that lasted a
year since dropping the Startacs and standard battery packs!
Larry
--
Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium"
The ultimate dirty bomb......
Edwin
> apple stock up 4.5 points on the news...
>
> -
>
> (Reuters) - Apple Inc's iPhone outsold all smartphones in the United
> States in July, its first full month on sale, accounting for 1.8 percent
> of all U.S. mobile handset sales, research group iSuppli said on Tuesday.
[snip]
"The market researchers used a survey of 2 million people which
estimated that about 1.8 percent of all cellphones sold in the US
during July were iPhones, regardless of class."
http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/09/04/iphone.outsells.in.july/
Alan Baker
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
Yes, Edwin. 1.8% of *all* cell phones sold in the U.S. in July were
iPhones. So?
Pardon me: So what relevance do you think that fact has?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Edwin
> In article <1188922899.836476.91...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 4, 10:10 am, Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > apple stock up 4.5 points on the news...
>
> > > -
>
> > > (Reuters) - Apple Inc's iPhone outsold all smartphones in the United
> > > States in July, its first full month on sale, accounting for 1.8 percent
> > > of all U.S. mobile handset sales, research group iSuppli said on Tuesday.
>
> > [snip]
>
> > "The market researchers used a survey of 2 million people which
> > estimated that about 1.8 percent of all cellphones sold in the US
> > during July were iPhones, regardless of class."
>
> >http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/09/04/iphone.outsells.in.july/
>
> Yes, Edwin. 1.8% of *all* cell phones sold in the U.S. in July were
> iPhones. So?
No, it's an estimate based on a survey says that 1.8% of all cell
phone sales were iPhones, not actual sales figures.
> Pardon me: So what relevance do you think that fact has?
It did a good job of getting you to make yourself look stupid... AGAIN!
KDT
Are you claiming that a survey of 2 million is not statistically
significant?
Jim
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
Do you even know how survey's are done and evaluated?
--
Jim
Edwin
Are you really too stupid to understand what I wrote?
Edwin
> In article <1188923591.837895.170...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 4, 11:25 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > In article <1188922899.836476.91...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sep 4, 10:10 am, Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > > > apple stock up 4.5 points on the news...
>
> > > > > -
>
> > > > > (Reuters) - Apple Inc's iPhone outsold all smartphones in the United
> > > > > States in July, its first full month on sale, accounting for 1.8
> > > > > percent
> > > > > of all U.S. mobile handset sales, research group iSuppli said on
> > > > > Tuesday.
>
> > > > [snip]
>
> > > > "The market researchers used a survey of 2 million people which
> > > > estimated that about 1.8 percent of all cellphones sold in the US
> > > > during July were iPhones, regardless of class."
>
> > > >http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/09/04/iphone.outsells.in.july/
>
> > > Yes, Edwin. 1.8% of *all* cell phones sold in the U.S. in July were
> > > iPhones. So?
>
> > No, it's an estimate based on a survey says that 1.8% of all cell
> > phone sales were iPhones, not actual sales figures.
>
> > > Pardon me: So what relevance do you think that fact has?
>
> > It did a good job of getting you to make yourself look stupid... AGAIN!
>
> Do you even know how survey's are done and evaluated?
How does the answer to that question change the fact this is only an
estimate based on a survey, and not actual sales figures?
Edwin
> Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
> DD9A61.09101104092...@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net:
>
> > rising to more than 30 million in 2011.
>
> Apple thinks iPhone sales will last 4 more years? I predict it may last 6
> months to a year...but someone will trump it LONG before 4 years is up and
> the Yuppie class will move on! They've NEVER had a phone that lasted a
> year since dropping the Startacs and standard battery packs!
>
> Larry
Hey Larry, Git 'er Done!
Alan Baker
> On Sep 4, 11:25 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > In article <1188922899.836476.91...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > On Sep 4, 10:10 am, Oxford <colalovesm...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > > apple stock up 4.5 points on the news...
> >
> > > > -
> >
> > > > (Reuters) - Apple Inc's iPhone outsold all smartphones in the United
> > > > States in July, its first full month on sale, accounting for 1.8
> > > > percent
> > > > of all U.S. mobile handset sales, research group iSuppli said on
> > > > Tuesday.
> >
> > > [snip]
> >
> > > "The market researchers used a survey of 2 million people which
> > > estimated that about 1.8 percent of all cellphones sold in the US
> > > during July were iPhones, regardless of class."
> >
> > >http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/09/04/iphone.outsells.in.july/
> >
> > Yes, Edwin. 1.8% of *all* cell phones sold in the U.S. in July were
> > iPhones. So?
>
> No, it's an estimate based on a survey says that 1.8% of all cell
> phone sales were iPhones, not actual sales figures.
What do you think the margin of error for such a survey is?
>
> > Pardon me: So what relevance do you think that fact has?
>
> It did a good job of getting you to make yourself look stupid... AGAIN!
LOL
Alan Baker
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
That's it, Edwin: you hang on to your ludicrous claim that no iPhones
were sold after the end of June just as long as you can!
Oxford
> > rising to more than 30 million in 2011.
>
> Apple thinks iPhone sales will last 4 more years? I predict it may last 6
> months to a year...but someone will trump it LONG before 4 years is up and
> the Yuppie class will move on! They've NEVER had a phone that lasted a
> year since dropping the Startacs and standard battery packs!
>
> Larry
No Larry, you have no idea of how all of this works.
Apple has 200+ patents on the iPhone, so no matter WHAT... Apple will
have the lead for 17 years or so... Apple is the outsider with far
better engineering talent than any Cell Phone company has, so Apple
completely eliminated the "cell upgrade" cycle with a SINGLE product.
Ouch!
Now anyone that gets an iPhone will have years and years of service
without upgrading, changing the battery, etc. They killed the "throw
away cell phone with one fell swoop!"
Apple builds the best cell phones on the planet and that's just a fact
the Cell Industry needs to learn.
It might take them 6 months to 4 years to understand, but when Apple
"enters" a "market"... all competitors die off rather quickly.
Apple did this with the mini and mainframe market in the early 80's, did
it again to the publishing industry, did it again with the MP3 market,
and now you are seeing them wipe out the Cell Phone Industry as we "knew
it", 65 days ago.
Apple will KILL off RIM, MOT, Symbian, Nokia, Samsung... they just don't
have the talent to compete against OSX inside a Phone.
-
Oxford
Apple is a Disruptive Company, A modern day Business Volcano.
From the day of it's creation Apple has been a disruptive force in any
market it touched. The Apple II disrupted the computer industry by
creating a personal computer the average citizen could use. The Mac was
extremely disruptive in that it allowed the rest of us to actually be
productive and creative without having to fully understand how computers
work.
The iPod disrupted the music industry big time. Now comes the iPhone
doing the same thing to the cellphone industry.
Every time Apple enters a market they turn well established, profitable
business models into obsolete mush. And the big players don't like it
one bit.
Now the cellphone industry has been seriously disrupted and players are
scurrying around like rodents trying to figure out what to do next.
This a VERY GOOD thing.
-
MuahMan
The blackberry 8830 is superior to it in every single way, shape, form, and
function.
Jim
You think a survey is insignificant since it suits your purpose, to
bash, and of course the answer doesn't fit your preconceived idea that
Apple stuff of any kind is crap.
Survey's are a tool of Market Research and are valuable tools to look at
trends.
--
Jim
Jim
Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> Oxford <colalo...@mac.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
> DD9A61.091...@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net:
>
> > rising to more than 30 million in 2011.
>
> Apple thinks iPhone sales will last 4 more years? I predict it may last 6
> months to a year...but someone will trump it LONG before 4 years is up and
> the Yuppie class will move on! They've NEVER had a phone that lasted a
> year since dropping the Startacs and standard battery packs!
>
> Larry
Larry, in his lack of foresight, assumes that Apple will be standing
still and not evolving the iPhone while all others trump Apple's
offerings.
Not very forward looking there Larry.
--
Jim
George
smartphone for business purposes. Can you directly edit a spreadsheet or
document sent to your iphone? Can you use the non-existent GPS to
display your position and route?
Oxford
> > Now the cellphone industry has been seriously disrupted and players are
> > scurrying around like rodents trying to figure out what to do next.
> >
> > This a VERY GOOD thing.
> >
> > -
> The iphone is an entertainment device. Lots of folks have and use a
> smartphone for business purposes. Can you directly edit a spreadsheet or
> document sent to your iphone? Can you use the non-existent GPS to
> display your position and route?
Can you directly edit a spreadsheet on any other phone? nope! not really.
The iPhone is a high powered communication device that has already
changed the world... in 65 days! a new Apple record!
You are talking about very old "apple //" concepts, "a spreadsheet" if
it had any value would be updated through Ruby on Rails, AJAX or PHP, so
your iPhone would display the latest info every time.
A "spreadsheet" is like the postit note of the 90's.
Get with the program!
George
> George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Now the cellphone industry has been seriously disrupted and players are
>>> scurrying around like rodents trying to figure out what to do next.
>>>
>>> This a VERY GOOD thing.
>>>
>>> -
>> The iphone is an entertainment device. Lots of folks have and use a
>> smartphone for business purposes. Can you directly edit a spreadsheet or
>> document sent to your iphone? Can you use the non-existent GPS to
>> display your position and route?
>
> Can you directly edit a spreadsheet on any other phone? nope! not really.
>
Yes, really.
> The iPhone is a high powered communication device that has already
> changed the world... in 65 days! a new Apple record!
>
> You are talking about very old "apple //" concepts, "a spreadsheet" if
> it had any value would be updated through Ruby on Rails, AJAX or PHP, so
> your iPhone would display the latest info every time.
>
Thats OK, I think the "old" concepts will be around for awhile...
> A "spreadsheet" is like the postit note of the 90's.
>
> Get with the program!
So you agree that your entertainment only iphone isn't really suitable
for business use?
Steve Mackay
> George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Now the cellphone industry has been seriously disrupted and players are
>>> scurrying around like rodents trying to figure out what to do next.
>>>
>>> This a VERY GOOD thing.
>>>
>>> -
>> The iphone is an entertainment device. Lots of folks have and use a
>> smartphone for business purposes. Can you directly edit a spreadsheet or
>> document sent to your iphone? Can you use the non-existent GPS to
>> display your position and route?
>
> Can you directly edit a spreadsheet on any other phone? nope! not really.
>
> The iPhone is a high powered communication device that has already
> changed the world... in 65 days! a new Apple record!
Changed the world? Give it a rest oxford. It's a smart phone that isn't
particularly smart, nor, by most every report, it isn't even a very good
phone.
It's got a good screen, and a great web browser. Big whoop. Otherwise my
Nokia S60 is a better smart phone.
>
> You are talking about very old "apple //" concepts, "a spreadsheet" if
> it had any value would be updated through Ruby on Rails, AJAX or PHP, so
> your iPhone would display the latest info every time.
>
> A "spreadsheet" is like the postit note of the 90's.
>
> Get with the program!
I guess that Apple just came out with Apple II technology to create
their "numbers" app, eh? <eye roll>
Sandman
Note "smartphone" in the subject.
--
Sandman[.net]
Oxford
> > Can you directly edit a spreadsheet on any other phone? nope! not really.
> >
> > The iPhone is a high powered communication device that has already
> > changed the world... in 65 days! a new Apple record!
>
> Changed the world? Give it a rest oxford. It's a smart phone that isn't
> particularly smart, nor, by most every report, it isn't even a very good
> phone.
You clearly don't use an iPhone day to day do you? I do and have a
non-biased report on the actual device.
If you don't have an iPhone, there is no way you can comment on this
subject.
> It's got a good screen, and a great web browser. Big whoop. Otherwise my
> Nokia S60 is a better smart phone.
Actually, in real world use. The iPhone is like touching all data that
is connected to the planet, it's pretty cool once you start using it.
Far better screen resolution than the Nokia, they don't even have
anything in their future labs remotely close to it. At this point, Nokia
is a gonner I'm afraid. Can you say Sperry?
> > You are talking about very old "apple //" concepts, "a spreadsheet" if
> > it had any value would be updated through Ruby on Rails, AJAX or PHP, so
> > your iPhone would display the latest info every time.
> >
> > A "spreadsheet" is like the postit note of the 90's.
> >
> > Get with the program!
>
> I guess that Apple just came out with Apple II technology to create
> their "numbers" app, eh? <eye roll>
The Apple // created the first spreadsheet, that's a fact. Hard to say
what the first killer app on the iPhone will be, but it's assured nobody
else will have access to it since they don't have access to quality cell
phone hardware.
-
Steve Mackay
> Steve Mackay <steve_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Can you directly edit a spreadsheet on any other phone? nope! not really.
>>>
>>> The iPhone is a high powered communication device that has already
>>> changed the world... in 65 days! a new Apple record!
>> Changed the world? Give it a rest oxford. It's a smart phone that isn't
>> particularly smart, nor, by most every report, it isn't even a very good
>> phone.
>
> You clearly don't use an iPhone day to day do you? I do and have a
> non-biased report on the actual device.
You? non-biased? ROFLMAO! Get back to us when you take down that shrine
of Steve Jobs that you pray to every day.
>
> If you don't have an iPhone, there is no way you can comment on this
> subject.
Yeah, I can. Used it... It's useless for my needs. It'd be a cool toy,
but beyond that, what's the use? Without the ability to add
applications, it's useless.
>
>> It's got a good screen, and a great web browser. Big whoop. Otherwise my
>> Nokia S60 is a better smart phone.
>
> Actually, in real world use. The iPhone is like touching all data that
> is connected to the planet, it's pretty cool once you start using it.
> Far better screen resolution than the Nokia, they don't even have
> anything in their future labs remotely close to it. At this point, Nokia
> is a gonner I'm afraid. Can you say Sperry?
Uh huh... Nokia is a gonner... Get back to us when that happens<eye roll>
Larry
> Apple will KILL off RIM, MOT, Symbian, Nokia, Samsung... they just don't
> have the talent to compete against OSX inside a Phone.
>
You'd better hope not! Apple runs on MOTOROLA PROCESSORS!
Todd Allcock
> Hard to say
> what the first killer app on the iPhone will be
Probably the first killer iPhone app was the hack that actually let
you install APPS on it!
(It's hard to have a "killer app" on a closed device!)
--
"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
Todd Allcock
> Can you directly edit a spreadsheet on any other phone? nope! not
> really.
Which proves YOU'VE clearly never owned a smartphone, and therefore
"there is no way you can comment on this subject."
Scott
> apple stock up 4.5 points on the news...
>
> -
>
> (Reuters) - Apple Inc's iPhone outsold all smartphones in the United
> States in July, its first full month on sale, accounting for 1.8 percent
> of all U.S. mobile handset sales, research group iSuppli said on Tuesday.
>
> ISuppli reiterated its forecast that Apple would sell 4.5 million
> iPhones this year, rising to more than 30 million in 2011.
>
> The two models of the iPhone on the market sold more than Research in
> Motion's Blackberry series, the entire Palm portfolio and any individual
> smartphone model from Motorola, Nokia or Samsung.
>
> ISuppli classifies the iPhone as a crossover phone that competes with
> both smartphones, which have personal computer-like functions such as
> e-mail, and feature phones, which have extras such as cameras and music
> players.
>
> "While iSuppli has not collected historical information on this topic,
> it's likely that the speed of the iPhone's rise to competitive dominance
> in its segment is unprecedented in the history of the mobile-handset
> market," iSuppli said.
>
> "Apple achieved this in the face of numerous, well-entrenched
> competitors."
>
> Most buyers of iPhones in the United States in July were male, under 35
> and had a college degree, iSuppli said.
>
> A quarter of those who bought an iPhone switched to operator AT&T, which
> has an exclusive service agreement for the iPhone in the United States.
>
> The iPhone will go on sale in Europe later this year.
Wow- less than 2% of the market, despite spending a large fortune on viral
advertising during the time period. For Apple, that kind of market share
would be huge.
In the mean time, not a single AT&T commercial features the iPhone and a
random survey of AT&T retailers shows that it falls well down the list of
recommended devices when not asked for specifically.
BTW- for Apple to sell 4.5 million phones with a 1.8% market share (as the
article implies), every cellular user in the US would have to replace their
phone between now and the year. Not likely.
Scott
news:colalovesmacs-4E2...@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net:
You should take your act to the local comedy club- best material I've heard
in ages.
Scott
news:V_KdnYWXrPMWd0Db...@adelphia.com:
>
> You should take your act to the local comedy club- best material I've
> heard in ages.
>
Wait- never mind. I forgot that you were one of the mindless Apple sheep.
You'd actually have to interact with real people if you left the house. I
know how much you'd miss that poster of Steve Jobs in a Superman outfir
that you have taped up over your bed.
Jim
I forgot to mention that you just might think of this as being the
cousin of an exit poll on election day.
--
Jim
John C. Randolph
> Oxford <colalo...@mac.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
> DD9A61.091...@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net:
>
>> rising to more than 30 million in 2011.
>
> Apple thinks iPhone sales will last 4 more years?
Not of the first model, but the product line will keep on growing.
> I predict it may last 6 months to a year...but someone will trump it
> LONG before 4 years is up and the Yuppie class will move on!
Apple will trump it, just like they topped every version of the iPod.
Unlike many other companies, they understand that they'd better be the
ones who supersede their own best-selling products, like the way the
replaced the iPod mini with the iPod nano.
-jcr
John C. Randolph
> Get back to us when you take down that shrine of Steve Jobs that you
> pray to every day.
You realize, I hope, that a statement like that says far more about
you, than the person you directed it towards.
-jcr
Ness_net
Another goddam fanboy...
And, a delusional one at that.
"Oxford" <colalo...@mac.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-4E2...@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net...
Kevin Weaver
Yeah, They were so disruptive that they almost went belly up. If not for
Bill Gates handing them over 100 million.
Ness_net
Slick interface, not much else.
It "disrupted' very little - if anything.
Pull your head out fanboy!!
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Ness_net
And, by your comments, I see you certainly aren't in business.
I doubt you've ever used a spreadsheet - or you wouldn't have made
such an asinine comment.
Pull your head out fanboy!
"Oxford" <colalo...@mac.com> wrote in message
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Kurt
George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
I use it for my business. Sold my Treo because this trumped it in every
way. Far easier to use and do business with.
--
To reply by email, remove the word "space"
Ness_net
(REALLY STUPID not to have an exchangeable battery)
But I am in business and it certainly isn't a business tool.
Pull your head out fanboy!
"Oxford" <colalo...@mac.com> wrote in message
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Kurt
"Ness_net" <ric...@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
> The iPhone is a damn toy - not worth a shit for business.
>
> And, by your comments, I see you certainly aren't in business.
> I doubt you've ever used a spreadsheet - or you wouldn't have made
> such an asinine comment.
>
> Pull your head out fanboy!
>
yes a spreadsheet with 1 pt type. You do real efficient "business"
trying to work with that.
Oxford
> Jezuz....
>
> Another goddam fanboy...
>
> And, a delusional one at that.
"Ness_net" you might want to learn a little about posting to USENET.
You NEVER post at the top! That's the mark of a newbie. Plus I see you
are using Microsoft Outlook Express 6, which kinda makes you look like a
fool.
Learn a little about technology and how to communicate on the "net",
then everyone will laugh at you less.
You are dealing with well informed people here, but your comment(s) reek
of ignorance.
-
Oxford
> > Apple will KILL off RIM, MOT, Symbian, Nokia, Samsung... they just don't
> > have the talent to compete against OSX inside a Phone.
> >
>
> You'd better hope not! Apple runs on MOTOROLA PROCESSORS!
>
> Larry
Good Lord Larry! Where have you been over the last 2 years? Apple runs
only on Intel processors for their Macs and the iPhone uses an Apple
branded Samsung ARM as the processor.
Apple hasn't used Motorola processors for what 4-5 years?
But thanks for playing!
-
Oxford
> Wow- less than 2% of the market, despite spending a large fortune on viral
> advertising during the time period. For Apple, that kind of market share
> would be huge.
>
> In the mean time, not a single AT&T commercial features the iPhone and a
> random survey of AT&T retailers shows that it falls well down the list of
> recommended devices when not asked for specifically.
>
> BTW- for Apple to sell 4.5 million phones with a 1.8% market share (as the
> article implies), every cellular user in the US would have to replace their
> phone between now and the year. Not likely.
getting around 2% in less than 60 days is pretty remarkable. then
outselling all other smartphones "combined", bodes well for them to get
10-15% in 1.5 years.
AT&T clearly isn't allowed to advertise the iPhone, so not sure why you
made that comment.
Ah, we are talking about "smartphones", plus you are forgetting about
Europe where they have never seen such an advanced phone. It will sell
like blockbusters!
My sense is they will hit 10 million iPhones by Jan 1, 2008. Or pretty
darn close.
KDT
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sure you can edit spreadsheets on the iPhone....
Ness_net
(it ain't me)
Interesting you didn't address ANY valid points.
Just did the tired old (and ultra-lame) Usenet cop routine.
Used when someone is too limp-dicked to actually address the issue(s).
A sure sign of someone that has NO facts to actually stand on.
I top post because I prefer it that way. It is the way I do e-mail (and ALL
business does BTW) - and I will continue to do so even if some idiot
spouts off about it. But, business is foreign to you, I'd bet...
I've probably been around well before you could walk, much less type.
Nice try, nut NOT EVEN CLOSE moron.
"Technology" huh? You couldn't be farther from the actual truth. I've
been a network engineer for years and I fart more technology than you know.
CCNE, MCITP, MCSE, etc... What are YOU? Some dumb ass kid, I'm sure...
I have Agent and use it when I need that specific tool. I use O Express because
it works well for simple text stuff. The right tool for the job.
Now again - pull your head out FANBOY!!!
"Oxford" <colalo...@mac.com> wrote in message
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Oxford
> Sure you can edit spreadsheets on the iPhone....
>
> http://docs.googl
interesting, so another iPhone myth dies a painful death...
Ness_net
Yet, you snipe at others about being new...
"Oxford" <colalo...@mac.com> wrote in message
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Oxford
> > "Ness_net" you might want to learn a little about posting to USENET.
> >
> > You NEVER post at the top! That's the mark of a newbie. Plus I see you
> > are using Microsoft Outlook Express 6, which kinda makes you look like a
> > fool.
>
> Not only that, but Outlook Express FORCES you to top post - it has no
> other way unless you fix it manually each time you post.
>
> If you look at the headers of top posters, you will find the vast
> majority of them are using OE 6.
yeah, Microsoft makes you look foolish, this is just another example.
poor Ness_Net doesn't have the slightest clue to how the modern world
works.
So sad.
Ness_net
Attacking anything and everything - BUT the actual issue that was being
discussed. Typical, blind fanboy behavior.
Care to actually discuss technology? The "modern world"??
PLEASE attempt to actually engage me in technology issues, where I have
many years of real world, hands on engineering experience.
What do YOU have??
Blind fanboy fanaticism is all, I'd bet. Zero actual REAL knowledge...
"Oxford" <colalo...@mac.com> wrote in message
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John
"Ness_net" <ric...@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote in message
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> It is certain by your (multiple) ignorant posts that maturity escapes you.
> Attacking anything and everything - BUT the actual issue that was being
> discussed. Typical, blind fanboy behavior.
>
> Care to actually discuss technology? The "modern world"??
>
> PLEASE attempt to actually engage me in technology issues, where I have
> many years of real world, hands on engineering experience.
You lie and say you have experience in technology issues and yet you top
post!!
Oxford
> Care to actually discuss technology? The "modern world"??
>
> PLEASE attempt to actually engage me in technology issues, where I have
> many years of real world, hands on engineering experience.
Until you learn proper posting procedures on usenet, your comments are
moot. First LEARN how to post then we can communicate, until then you
appear to be a 3 year old child.
-
Scott
news:colalovesmacs-263...@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:
> Scott <how...@you.do> wrote:
>
>> Wow- less than 2% of the market, despite spending a large fortune on
>> viral advertising during the time period. For Apple, that kind of
>> market share would be huge.
>>
>> In the mean time, not a single AT&T commercial features the iPhone
>> and a random survey of AT&T retailers shows that it falls well down
>> the list of recommended devices when not asked for specifically.
>>
>> BTW- for Apple to sell 4.5 million phones with a 1.8% market share
>> (as the article implies), every cellular user in the US would have to
>> replace their phone between now and the year. Not likely.
>
> getting around 2% in less than 60 days is pretty remarkable. then
> outselling all other smartphones "combined",
Why are you comparing apples to oranges- the iPhone is NOT a smart phone.
> bodes well for them to
> get 10-15% in 1.5 years.
Um- no.
>
> AT&T clearly isn't allowed to advertise the iPhone, so not sure why
> you made that comment.
Citation?
>
> Ah, we are talking about "smartphones", plus you are forgetting about
> Europe where they have never seen such an advanced phone. It will sell
> like blockbusters!
>
> My sense is they will hit 10 million iPhones by Jan 1, 2008. Or pretty
> darn close.
>
Oh crap- you made me squirt soda all over the keyboard with that one. Ever
thought of a career in comedy?
Scott
That puts him a full year ahead of you.
Ness_net
just engage in a 'pissing match', I will simply write you off as
just another mis-informed rabid fanboy.
Your top post smoke screen is not only very transparent, it's
probably also indicative of your actual level of knowledge
on the actual subject ("technology" in your words) that was
being discussed.
"Oxford" <colalo...@mac.com> wrote in message
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Todd Allcock
> Not only that, but Outlook Express FORCES you to top post - it has
no
> other way unless you fix it manually each time you post.
Yep- scrolling to the bottom of a post and clicking there to move the
cursor sure is hard work!
I usually post from my WinMo phone using QMail, like I'm doing now,
(which also "forces" one to top post, BTW) but I generally use OE
from my desktop. It works fine for what it is.
> If you look at the headers of top posters, you will find the vast
> majority of them are using OE 6.
I nevr really noticed or cared. While I don't top post very often,
IMO it's a style choice. I tend not to particularly care which
method someone uses if they have something useful to say.
Personally, I prefer posting inline.
--
"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
Todd Allcock
> yes a spreadsheet with 1 pt type. You do real efficient "business"
> trying to work with that.
I always find it interesting when someone complains about screen size
and resolution on modern smartphones. Sure it isn't a 1084x768 17"
display, but 320x240 and 640x480 were both desktop standards not too
many years sgo. I find Excel no more difficult to use on my PPC
screen than Lotus 1-2-3 or Multiplan were on my ancient CGA displays
years ago.
A PDA/smartphone is a technological Swiss Army Knife. A very useful
collection of tools in a compact, easy to carry package. Sure, any
one of those tools pales in comparison to it's full-sized/full-
featured equivalent, but that's hardly the point, is it? No one
who's ever used the screwdriver or scissors on a Swiss Army knife
prefered it over using a real screwdriver or a real pair of scissors.
The point is that I essentially have the most important capabilities
of a low-end laptop in a device the size of a deck of cards, and,
more importantly, like the knife, I have it EVERYWHERE, unlike a pair
of scissors, screwdriver, or a laptop!
Unlike a prior poster, I won't claim you can't possibly use your
iPhone for business- but I'll guess that your business uses do not
require much more than e-mail, web access and telephony. If so,
fine. But some of us need more, and need it even when the cell
network is unavailable (docs.google.com? Google Maps? Surrre...)
That's why I find the iPhone so disappointing. It's an impressive
piece of hardware hampered by an extremely foolish (greedy?) business
plan. Third-party developers have done amazing things with the iPod.
If given "official" access to the iPhone, these and other 3rd-party
developers would've likely already turned the iPhone into a real
business-class device that'd give RIM, Symbian and MS a run for their
money. As it stands now, it's an iPod phone with webtablet, (and a
darn spiffy one!) A tremendous waste of excellent equipment.
Oxford
> > getting around 2% in less than 60 days is pretty remarkable. then
> > outselling all other smartphones "combined",
>
> Why are you comparing apples to oranges- the iPhone is NOT a smart phone.
so it's a GeniusPhone? or as people are starting to call it, the
JesusPhone :)
It's definitely smarter than any of the "smartphones" currently being
marketed. It's brilliant for sure, perhaps it deserves of higher class
of its own? is that what you are trying to say?
> > bodes well for them to
> > get 10-15% in 1.5 years.
>
> Um- no.
well sure, it could be a bit higher, but I think 10-15% is about right
for the "smartphone" market in the 36 month timeframe.
> > AT&T clearly isn't allowed to advertise the iPhone, so not sure why
> > you made that comment.
>
> Citation?
doesn't require a citation, Apple does not allow others to advertise the
iPhone. sounds like you don't know much about Apple, is that correct?
> > Ah, we are talking about "smartphones", plus you are forgetting about
> > Europe where they have never seen such an advanced phone. It will sell
> > like blockbusters!
> >
> > My sense is they will hit 10 million iPhones by Jan 1, 2008. Or pretty
> > darn close.
>
> Oh crap- you made me squirt soda all over the keyboard with that one. Ever
> thought of a career in comedy?
Perhaps you have never heard of Christmas? Apple sold 21.1 million iPods
during the 2006 holiday season. It will sell around 33 million this
year, so it's a no brainer Apple will sell around 6.5 million iPhones in
that period alone. So 10 million sounds about right.
Oxford
> > I top post because I prefer it that way. It is the way I do e-mail (and ALL
> > business does BTW) - and I will continue to do so even if some idiot
> > spouts off about it. But, business is foreign to you, I'd bet...
>
> Yes, all business email is top-posted. It's that way where I work
> also.
>
> That doesn't make it correct here. This is usenet. Only newbies top
> post (and use OE 6!) here.
>
> Seriously, you need to learn how to use the medium if you want to be
> taken seriously. Otherwise you will simply be laughed at, no matter
> what you post.
just ignore Ness_Net, even his website shows he's a massive newbie.
too funny!
-
Ness_net
how one is supposed to post. The subject is beaten to death
ad nauseam by those MUCH more opinionated than I...
As long as you edit properly, I see no difference. I care
to actually READ the content and what is being said. Not how it
is posted.
If someone were to actually ignore what is being posted
or laugh at it simply because of something so goddam trivial, it is
not my problem - it is entirely theirs.
"Bob Campbell" <b...@bob.bob> wrote in message news:bob-F3C374.2...@news.supernews.com...
> In article <oYGdnc9O3LZ6jUPb...@giganews.com>,
> "Ness_net" <ric...@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
>
>> I top post because I prefer it that way. It is the way I do e-mail (and ALL
>> business does BTW) - and I will continue to do so even if some idiot
>> spouts off about it. But, business is foreign to you, I'd bet...
>
> Yes, all business email is top-posted. It's that way where I work
> also.
>
> That doesn't make it correct here. This is usenet. Only newbies top
> post (and use OE 6!) here.
>
> Seriously, you need to learn how to use the medium if you want to be
> taken seriously. Otherwise you will simply be laughed at, no matter
> what you post.
>
> Bob
Ness_net
All of 30 seconds of effort.
Keep grasping at those straws.....
And avoid actually discussing anything.
"Oxford" <colalo...@mac.com> wrote in message
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Gene Jones
> I certainly don't want to engage in a pointless argument about
> how one is supposed to post. The subject is beaten to death
> ad nauseam by those MUCH more opinionated than I...
>
> As long as you edit properly, I see no difference. I care
> to actually READ the content and what is being said. Not how it
> is posted.
>
> If someone were to actually ignore what is being posted
> or laugh at it simply because of something so goddam trivial, it is
> not my problem - it is entirely theirs.
Answer: Because people don't communicate that way.
Question: Why should you not top post on usenet?
by the way.... LOVED your website!
its technological sophistication about knocked me out!
wow!
Oxford
> It's only a place holder, nothing more. Never was.
> All of 30 seconds of effort.
>
> Keep grasping at those straws.....
> And avoid actually discussing anything.
So you can't create a website, check.
So you don't know how USENET works, check.
you're a newbie, check.
ness_net has been plonked, check.
Mark Thompson
> > just ignore Ness_Net, even his website shows he's a massive newbie.
> >
> > too funny!
> >
> > http://www.nessnet.com/
>
> BWAHAHAH. Yep, you are right! This guy is clueless. At least it's
> not done in MS Front Page!
I see he is from Tacoma WA, one of the most backwards technological
states in the nation, so it figures.
David
Oxford
> This is 'alt.cellular.verizon', not 'alt.iphone.slobbering.fanboys'
But you will need to keep up on the iPhone news since at some point
Verizon will also be allowed to sell the iPhone. It might be 2 more
years, but you'll get a chance in time.
So don't be so bitter until then. Okay?
Todd Allcock
> > Yep- scrolling to the bottom of a post and clicking there to move
> > the cursor sure is hard work!
>
> Yes, it is, when you post dozens of messages a day!
Since I generally trim and post inline, I have to move my cursor
anyway.
As "evil" as many believe top-posting is, I much prefer it to bottom-
posters that can't be bothered to trim a single line from a 20-post
thread!
Todd Allcock
> Answer: Because people don't communicate that way.
> Question: Why should you not top post on usenet?
That's one way to look at it. Here's another:
Answer: Because you just read what is being replied to in the last
half-dozen posts...
> Question: Why does it make sense to top post?
> > Question: Why does it make sense to top post?
> > > Question: Why does it make sense to top post?
> > > > Question: Why does it make sense to top post?
> > > > > Question: Why does it make sense to top post?
Todd Allcock
> > Sure you can edit spreadsheets on the iPhone....
> >
> > http://docs.googl
>
> interesting, so another iPhone myth dies a painful death...
As does your ability to edit or even view those documents when you
wander out of wi-fi and cellular range...
I wouldn't brag about the iPhone's ability to use web-based services
when it only illustates what on-board services it lacks. It's like
saying an FM radio is superior to an iPod because the radio's "random
playlist" is infinite! ;-)
David Fritzinger
<colalovesmacs-F48...@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <colalo...@mac.com> wrote:
> Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > > Apple will KILL off RIM, MOT, Symbian, Nokia, Samsung... they just don't
> > > have the talent to compete against OSX inside a Phone.
> > >
> >
> > You'd better hope not! Apple runs on MOTOROLA PROCESSORS!
> >
> > Larry
>
> Good Lord Larry! Where have you been over the last 2 years? Apple runs
> only on Intel processors for their Macs and the iPhone uses an Apple
> branded Samsung ARM as the processor.
>
> Apple hasn't used Motorola processors for what 4-5 years?
>
> But thanks for playing!
>
> -
Actually, more like 2 years, as I recall. The last Powerbooks and iBooks
used G4 processors, made by Freestyle (OK, that wasn't Moto, it was spun
off by Moto).
--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu, HI
Oxford
> > Good Lord Larry! Where have you been over the last 2 years? Apple runs
> > only on Intel processors for their Macs and the iPhone uses an Apple
> > branded Samsung ARM as the processor.
> >
> > Apple hasn't used Motorola processors for what 4-5 years?
> >
> > But thanks for playing!
> >
> > -
>
> Actually, more like 2 years, as I recall. The last Powerbooks and iBooks
> used G4 processors, made by Freestyle (OK, that wasn't Moto, it was spun
> off by Moto).
Good point... yeah, I was thinking of the G5's only being made by IBM.
and yes, Freescale/MOT is basically the same thing. I stand corrected.
Scott
news:colalovesmacs-11A...@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:
> Scott <how...@you.do> wrote:
>
>> > getting around 2% in less than 60 days is pretty remarkable. then
>> > outselling all other smartphones "combined",
>>
>> Why are you comparing apples to oranges- the iPhone is NOT a smart
>> phone.
>
> so it's a GeniusPhone? or as people are starting to call it, the
> JesusPhone :)
>
> It's definitely smarter than any of the "smartphones" currently being
> marketed. It's brilliant for sure, perhaps it deserves of higher class
> of its own? is that what you are trying to say?
Hardly- it will go down as the Lisa of the cellular world.
>
>> > bodes well for them to
>> > get 10-15% in 1.5 years.
>>
>> Um- no.
>
> well sure, it could be a bit higher, but I think 10-15% is about right
> for the "smartphone" market in the 36 month timeframe.
Now you're changing the measure- a sign of someone finding themself on
the bad end of the discussion. You just went from 10-15% of the market
to 10-15% of the smartphone market. You'll get whiplash from reversing
course so quickly.
>
>> > AT&T clearly isn't allowed to advertise the iPhone, so not sure why
>> > you made that comment.
>>
>> Citation?
>
> doesn't require a citation, Apple does not allow others to advertise
> the iPhone. sounds like you don't know much about Apple, is that
> correct?
No- it sounds like you made it up and can't back up the statement with
any authoritative sources.
>
>> > Ah, we are talking about "smartphones", plus you are forgetting
>> > about Europe where they have never seen such an advanced phone. It
>> > will sell like blockbusters!
>> >
>> > My sense is they will hit 10 million iPhones by Jan 1, 2008. Or
>> > pretty darn close.
>>
>> Oh crap- you made me squirt soda all over the keyboard with that one.
>> Ever thought of a career in comedy?
>
> Perhaps you have never heard of Christmas? Apple sold 21.1 million
> iPods during the 2006 holiday season. It will sell around 33 million
> this year, so it's a no brainer Apple will sell around 6.5 million
> iPhones in that period alone. So 10 million sounds about right.
Your tainted and elementary school guesses don't belong here. Come back
when you have facts.
>
B. Peg
>
> (Reuters) - Apple Inc's iPhone outsold all smartphones in the United
> States in July, its first full month on sale, accounting for 1.8 percent
> of all U.S. mobile handset sales, research group iSuppli said on Tuesday.
>
> ISuppli reiterated its forecast that Apple would sell 4.5 million
> iPhones this year, rising to more than 30 million in 2011.
>
> The two models of the iPhone on the market sold more than Research in
> Motion's Blackberry series, the entire Palm portfolio and any individual
> smartphone model from Motorola, Nokia or Samsung.
>
> ISuppli classifies the iPhone as a crossover phone that competes with
> both smartphones, which have personal computer-like functions such as
> e-mail, and feature phones, which have extras such as cameras and music
> players.
>
> "While iSuppli has not collected historical information on this topic,
> it's likely that the speed of the iPhone's rise to competitive dominance
> in its segment is unprecedented in the history of the mobile-handset
> market," iSuppli said.
>
> "Apple achieved this in the face of numerous, well-entrenched
> competitors."
What a crock. Those reporters need to find another job and quit lying and
shilling for Apple. I especially like the fact they admit "they (i.e.
iSuppli) have not collected historical information on this topic" too.
The Nokia 1100 was the best selling phone of all time at 200 MILLION units.
That's more than twice the number of iPods and Playstation 2 units sold
combined - and then some. Apple with 4.5 million phones is a drop in the
bucket to the 1100 phone. Lasts and is still in use for years. I doubt
very much if the iPhone will last that long. Apple's sheep will flock to
the next model in a couple of years.
Remember the Mac "Cube?"
B~
Oxford
> > so it's a GeniusPhone? or as people are starting to call it, the
> > JesusPhone :)
> >
> > It's definitely smarter than any of the "smartphones" currently being
> > marketed. It's brilliant for sure, perhaps it deserves of higher class
> > of its own? is that what you are trying to say?
>
> Hardly- it will go down as the Lisa of the cellular world.
now who's the comedian :)
you clearly haven't used the iPhone, case closed.
> >> > bodes well for them to
> >> > get 10-15% in 1.5 years.
> >>
> >> Um- no.
> >
> > well sure, it could be a bit higher, but I think 10-15% is about right
> > for the "smartphone" market in the 36 month timeframe.
>
> Now you're changing the measure- a sign of someone finding themself on
> the bad end of the discussion. You just went from 10-15% of the market
> to 10-15% of the smartphone market. You'll get whiplash from reversing
> course so quickly.
sorry for your confusion, but I never implied 10-15% of the entire cell
phone market. look up at the thread title, does it saying anything about
basic cell phones? nope! you made a mental mistake, case closed.
> > doesn't require a citation, Apple does not allow others to advertise
> > the iPhone. sounds like you don't know much about Apple, is that
> > correct?
>
> No- it sounds like you made it up and can't back up the statement with
> any authoritative sources.
incorrect, the iPhone is only sold through 2 channels. Apple/ATT, and
ATT cannot advertise the iPhone outside of their store. That's a fact.
> > Perhaps you have never heard of Christmas? Apple sold 21.1 million
> > iPods during the 2006 holiday season. It will sell around 33 million
> > this year, so it's a no brainer Apple will sell around 6.5 million
> > iPhones in that period alone. So 10 million sounds about right.
>
> Your tainted and elementary school guesses don't belong here. Come back
> when you have facts.
I don't use "guesses", just facts, learn how to do it and you'll be more
believable next time.
Scott
news:colalovesmacs-3D2...@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:
> Scott <how...@you.do> wrote:
>
>> > so it's a GeniusPhone? or as people are starting to call it, the
>> > JesusPhone :)
>> >
>> > It's definitely smarter than any of the "smartphones" currently
>> > being marketed. It's brilliant for sure, perhaps it deserves of
>> > higher class of its own? is that what you are trying to say?
>>
>> Hardly- it will go down as the Lisa of the cellular world.
>
> now who's the comedian :)
>
> you clearly haven't used the iPhone, case closed.
>
>> >> > bodes well for them to
>> >> > get 10-15% in 1.5 years.
>> >>
>> >> Um- no.
>> >
>> > well sure, it could be a bit higher, but I think 10-15% is about
>> > right for the "smartphone" market in the 36 month timeframe.
>>
>> Now you're changing the measure- a sign of someone finding themself
>> on the bad end of the discussion. You just went from 10-15% of the
>> market to 10-15% of the smartphone market. You'll get whiplash from
>> reversing course so quickly.
>
> sorry for your confusion, but I never implied 10-15% of the entire
> cell phone market. look up at the thread title, does it saying
> anything about basic cell phones? nope! you made a mental mistake,
> case closed.
Um- no. Your words, "getting around 2% in less than 60 days is pretty
remarkable. then
outselling all other smartphones "combined", bodes well for them to get
10-15% in 1.5 years."
You clearly talk about their total market share and the 10-15% in the
same breath. You made the mistake of opening your mouth in the first
place, case closed.
>
>> > doesn't require a citation, Apple does not allow others to
>> > advertise the iPhone. sounds like you don't know much about Apple,
>> > is that correct?
>>
>> No- it sounds like you made it up and can't back up the statement
>> with any authoritative sources.
>
> incorrect, the iPhone is only sold through 2 channels. Apple/ATT, and
> ATT cannot advertise the iPhone outside of their store. That's a fact.
Citation? The lack of a citation would indicate that the stories of
AT&T purposely playing down the phone in their stores is much more
factual.
>
>> > Perhaps you have never heard of Christmas? Apple sold 21.1 million
>> > iPods during the 2006 holiday season. It will sell around 33
>> > million this year, so it's a no brainer Apple will sell around 6.5
>> > million iPhones in that period alone. So 10 million sounds about
>> > right.
>>
>> Your tainted and elementary school guesses don't belong here. Come
>> back when you have facts.
>
> I don't use "guesses", just facts, learn how to do it and you'll be
> more believable next time.
You haven't posted an independent fact in the thread, iother than the
original article. Everything is prefaced by "it's a no-brainer" and "I
think" and other less -than-factual prefaces.
Oxford
> > "While iSuppli has not collected historical information on this topic,
> > it's likely that the speed of the iPhone's rise to competitive dominance
> > in its segment is unprecedented in the history of the mobile-handset
> > market," iSuppli said.
> >
> > "Apple achieved this in the face of numerous, well-entrenched
> > competitors."
>
> What a crock. Those reporters need to find another job and quit lying and
> shilling for Apple. I especially like the fact they admit "they (i.e.
> iSuppli) have not collected historical information on this topic" too.
>
> The Nokia 1100 was the best selling phone of all time at 200 MILLION units.
but that was a cheap, throw away cell phone while the iPhone is more
like a tiny laptop.
> That's more than twice the number of iPods and Playstation 2 units sold
> combined - and then some.
your numbers are way off. there have been 109 million ipods sold, so you
need to subtract out all the playstations 2's add 9 million, then
subtract 200 million, so the cheap nokia phone has sold 81 million more,
big whoop!
> Apple with 4.5 million phones is a drop in the
> bucket to the 1100 phone. Lasts and is still in use for years. I doubt
> very much if the iPhone will last that long. Apple's sheep will flock to
> the next model in a couple of years.
but the nokia 1100 isn't in the same league as the iPhone, you are
talking about a cheap "cell phone" compared to a full featured
"smartphone".
> Remember the Mac "Cube?"
yes, and it's amazing what they sell for now days!
Oxford
> > sorry for your confusion, but I never implied 10-15% of the entire
> > cell phone market. look up at the thread title, does it saying
> > anything about basic cell phones? nope! you made a mental mistake,
> > case closed.
>
> Um- no. Your words, "getting around 2% in less than 60 days is pretty
> remarkable. then
> outselling all other smartphones "combined", bodes well for them to get
> 10-15% in 1.5 years."
>
> You clearly talk about their total market share and the 10-15% in the
> same breath. You made the mistake of opening your mouth in the first
> place, case closed.
yes, total "smartphone" marketshare. if you misread that, AND the title
of this thread, i'm sorry, but I certainly didn't intend for you to
understand it that way.
"10-15% total smartphone marketshare" in 1.5 years. Is that easier for
you to comprehend? hope so.
> >> > doesn't require a citation, Apple does not allow others to
> >> > advertise the iPhone. sounds like you don't know much about Apple,
> >> > is that correct?
> >>
> >> No- it sounds like you made it up and can't back up the statement
> >> with any authoritative sources.
> >
> > incorrect, the iPhone is only sold through 2 channels. Apple/ATT, and
> > ATT cannot advertise the iPhone outside of their store. That's a fact.
>
> Citation? The lack of a citation would indicate that the stories of
> AT&T purposely playing down the phone in their stores is much more
> factual.
A fact like this doesn't need a cite, "common knowledge" of how Apple
operates is plenty enough to cover it.
> >> > Perhaps you have never heard of Christmas? Apple sold 21.1 million
> >> > iPods during the 2006 holiday season. It will sell around 33
> >> > million this year, so it's a no brainer Apple will sell around 6.5
> >> > million iPhones in that period alone. So 10 million sounds about
> >> > right.
> >>
> >> Your tainted and elementary school guesses don't belong here. Come
> >> back when you have facts.
> >
> > I don't use "guesses", just facts, learn how to do it and you'll be
> > more believable next time.
>
> You haven't posted an independent fact in the thread, iother than the
> original article. Everything is prefaced by "it's a no-brainer" and "I
> think" and other less -than-factual prefaces.
I'm a beacon of honesty, so you'll just have to trust me.
-
Steve Mackay
> On 2007-09-04 14:34:10 -0700, Steve Mackay <steve_...@hotmail.com> said:
>
>> Get back to us when you take down that shrine of Steve Jobs that you
>> pray to every day.
>
> You realize, I hope, that a statement like that says far more about you,
> than the person you directed it towards.
>
> -jcr
>
Not really... But believe whatever you want...
Bill Kearney
> but the nokia 1100 isn't in the same league as the iPhone, you are
> talking about a cheap "cell phone" compared to a full featured
> "smartphone".
Except the iPhone ISN'T a smartphone.
George
> KDT <scarf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Sure you can edit spreadsheets on the iPhone....
>>
>> http://docs.googl
>
> interesting, so another iPhone myth dies a painful death...
Not really, I said *directly* on the iphone the same as you can do on a
smartphone. Many businesses don't allow third parts such as Google to be
involved.
Tinman
> Oxford wrote:
>> so it's a GeniusPhone? or as people are starting to call it, the
>> JesusPhone :)
>>
>> It's definitely smarter than any of the "smartphones" currently being
>> marketed. It's brilliant for sure, perhaps it deserves of higher class
>> of its own? is that what you are trying to say?
>
>
> Hardly- it will go down as the Lisa of the cellular world.
<groan> And you called him a comedian.
--
Mike
Larry
> but that was a cheap, throw away cell phone while the iPhone is more
> like a tiny laptop.
>
No it's not. A tiny laptop runs any program its operating system
supports and has STORAGE to put things in. The iPhone has neither, ON
PURPOSE, so you are totally dependent on the SUPPLIER who you must be
constantly tethered to, and paying of course, to make it functional.
Notice its firewire/USB ports to tie the external hard drive to so you
can onload/offload data/pictures/movies/stuff to/from? NOT! A tiny
laptop has plenty of ports to offload/onload with.
iPhone is a Blackberry with a touch screen.....SERVER based to make the
carrier money.....
Remember back when we were all supposed to give up our massive hard drive
PCs and use an appliance that amounted to a Java Computer where all our
data and programs were stored on a SERVER BASED system so we could be
constantly charged, over and over, for access to the data and use of the
programs? JAVA was the answer to all our problems....remember? Remember
when the users rebelled and "Just Said NO" to this scam? Is iPhone the
reincarnation to this off-site, server-based, soak 'em constantly, scam?
I can see that....can't you?
Larry
--
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The ultimate dirty bomb......
Sandman
Scott <how...@you.do> wrote:
> >> Now you're changing the measure- a sign of someone finding themself
> >> on the bad end of the discussion. You just went from 10-15% of the
> >> market to 10-15% of the smartphone market. You'll get whiplash from
> >> reversing course so quickly.
> >
> > sorry for your confusion, but I never implied 10-15% of the entire
> > cell phone market. look up at the thread title, does it saying
> > anything about basic cell phones? nope! you made a mental mistake,
> > case closed.
>
> Um- no. Your words, "getting around 2% in less than 60 days is pretty
> remarkable. then
> outselling all other smartphones "combined", bodes well for them to get
> 10-15% in 1.5 years."
>
> You clearly talk about their total market share and the 10-15% in the
> same breath. You made the mistake of opening your mouth in the first
> place, case closed.
I don't find myself agreeing with Oxford many times, but you're just
wrong here. They have 2% and he thinks they may get 10-15% in 1.5
years. Nothing about changing the scope of the percentage there.
--
Sandman[.net]
Oxford
> No it's not. A tiny laptop runs any program its operating system
> supports and has STORAGE to put things in. The iPhone has neither, ON
> PURPOSE, so you are totally dependent on the SUPPLIER who you must be
> constantly tethered to, and paying of course, to make it functional.
are we talking about 2 different iPhones? Mine has 8GB of storage and I
can store all kinda of information in there. notes, emails, webpages,
maps, phone numbers, voice mail, addressbook, stock prices, movies,
music, photos, pdf's, excel files, word docs, etc. just like my laptop.
hum. I guess your iPhone is broken?
> Notice its firewire/USB ports to tie the external hard drive to so you
> can onload/offload data/pictures/movies/stuff to/from? NOT! A tiny
> laptop has plenty of ports to offload/onload with.
what? everyone's iPhone can do that, why can't yours?
> iPhone is a Blackberry with a touch screen.....SERVER based to make the
> carrier money.....
no, it's not server based, unless you call voice mail server based, but
all phones work that way. everything else I store IN the phone.
> Remember back when we were all supposed to give up our massive hard drive
> PCs and use an appliance that amounted to a Java Computer where all our
> data and programs were stored on a SERVER BASED system so we could be
> constantly charged, over and over, for access to the data and use of the
> programs? JAVA was the answer to all our problems....remember? Remember
> when the users rebelled and "Just Said NO" to this scam? Is iPhone the
> reincarnation to this off-site, server-based, soak 'em constantly, scam?
>
> I can see that....can't you?
no, you just don't know how the iPhone operates.
funny stuff Larry, got any more ignorance to share?
Oxford
according to the definition it sure is:
Smartphone features tend to include Internet access, e-mail access,
scheduling software, built-in camera, contact management, accelerometers
and some navigation software as well as occasionally the ability to read
business documents in a variety of formats such as PDF and Microsoft
Office.
yep, it's a smart phone!
Steve Mackay
> Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> No it's not. A tiny laptop runs any program its operating system
>> supports and has STORAGE to put things in. The iPhone has neither, ON
>> PURPOSE, so you are totally dependent on the SUPPLIER who you must be
>> constantly tethered to, and paying of course, to make it functional.
>
> are we talking about 2 different iPhones? Mine has 8GB of storage and I
> can store all kinda of information in there. notes, emails, webpages,
> maps, phone numbers, voice mail, addressbook, stock prices, movies,
> music, photos, pdf's, excel files, word docs, etc. just like my laptop.
> hum. I guess your iPhone is broken?
>
>> Notice its firewire/USB ports to tie the external hard drive to so you
>> can onload/offload data/pictures/movies/stuff to/from? NOT! A tiny
>> laptop has plenty of ports to offload/onload with.
>
> what? everyone's iPhone can do that, why can't yours?
>
>> iPhone is a Blackberry with a touch screen.....SERVER based to make the
>> carrier money.....
>
> no, it's not server based, unless you call voice mail server based, but
> all phones work that way. everything else I store IN the phone.
You're obviously confused here. Do you really OWN an iPhone? Without
being connected to the web, which *IS* server based, what can you do
with it beyond what every other phone can do?
Listen to music? My Nokia S60 can do that. Including OGG, which he
iPhone can't play
Look at pictures... My Nokia S60 can do that.
Watch Movies... My Nokia S60 can do that. Including Divx, Mpeg4, etc...
Make a phone call... My Nokia S60 can do that. But it has superior call
quality VS the iPhone. Which is more important to me.
Now, what else can my S60 do, that your iPhone can't?
Well, I have my checkbook in there http://tinyurl.com/2t2yhr
with a $50 sirfIII bluetooth GPS, and a free download of smart2go, I
have a fairly decent GPS app http://tinyurl.com/2n333c Or I could buy an
app from Tomtom, or Garmin to do the same thing. Can't do that with an
iPhone without being tethered to the web. Which is VERY impractical for
the type of trips I take(I tend to stay off the beaten path on my
motorcycle)
>> Remember back when we were all supposed to give up our massive hard drive
>> PCs and use an appliance that amounted to a Java Computer where all our
>> data and programs were stored on a SERVER BASED system so we could be
>> constantly charged, over and over, for access to the data and use of the
>> programs? JAVA was the answer to all our problems....remember? Remember
>> when the users rebelled and "Just Said NO" to this scam? Is iPhone the
>> reincarnation to this off-site, server-based, soak 'em constantly, scam?
>>
>> I can see that....can't you?
>
> no, you just don't know how the iPhone operates.
>
> funny stuff Larry, got any more ignorance to share?
Um, he's explaining it PERFECTLY.
What is an iPhone without a web 2.0 server? It's a touch screen ipod
with a mediocre phone attached to it. Without hacking it, you can't add
any new functionality to it without being tethered to the web.
Oxford
> > no, it's not server based, unless you call voice mail server based, but
> > all phones work that way. everything else I store IN the phone.
>
> You're obviously confused here. Do you really OWN an iPhone? Without
> being connected to the web, which *IS* server based, what can you do
> with it beyond what every other phone can do?
Yes, I own several, and the iPhone is no more "server based" than any
Laptop... and that is the point.
> Listen to music? My Nokia S60 can do that. Including OGG, which he
> iPhone can't play
But not through an easy to use interface. Nobody but fools want OGG, a
wretched format.
> Look at pictures... My Nokia S60 can do that.
Not as clearly or as big as I can on my iPhone, nor can it sync as easy
as it does with iPhoto. Nor can it zoom in, zoom out of an image. Nokia
SUCKS when it comes to graphics.
> Watch Movies... My Nokia S60 can do that. Including Divx, Mpeg4, etc...
Not as clearly or as big as I can on my iPhone, nor can it sync as easy
as it does with Handbreak, VisualHub and countless others. Plus the
battery life on the iPhone is about double the Nokia.
> Make a phone call... My Nokia S60 can do that. But it has superior call
> quality VS the iPhone. Which is more important to me.
Depends on your signal, both are the same if the signal is the same,
idiot!
> Now, what else can my S60 do, that your iPhone can't?
>
> Well, I have my checkbook in there http://tinyurl.com/2t2yhr
Great and I can do the same thing on the iPhone.
> with a $50 sirfIII bluetooth GPS, and a free download of smart2go, I
> have a fairly decent GPS app http://tinyurl.com/2n333c Or I could buy an
> app from Tomtom, or Garmin to do the same thing. Can't do that with an
> iPhone without being tethered to the web. Which is VERY impractical for
> the type of trips I take(I tend to stay off the beaten path on my
> motorcycle)
GPS will come to the iPhone in the same way.
> >> Remember back when we were all supposed to give up our massive hard drive
> >> PCs and use an appliance that amounted to a Java Computer where all our
> >> data and programs were stored on a SERVER BASED system so we could be
> >> constantly charged, over and over, for access to the data and use of the
> >> programs? JAVA was the answer to all our problems....remember? Remember
> >> when the users rebelled and "Just Said NO" to this scam? Is iPhone the
> >> reincarnation to this off-site, server-based, soak 'em constantly, scam?
> >>
> >> I can see that....can't you?
> >
> > no, you just don't know how the iPhone operates.
> >
> > funny stuff Larry, got any more ignorance to share?
>
> Um, he's explaining it PERFECTLY.
No he is not since he CLEARLY doesn't have an iPhone, neither do you.
You have an old fashioned Nokia, nobody wants one of those "dinosaurs"
after the iPhone appeared.
> What is an iPhone without a web 2.0 server? It's a touch screen ipod
> with a mediocre phone attached to it. Without hacking it, you can't add
> any new functionality to it without being tethered to the web.
Actually it's a Multitouch screen, the Nokia doesn't have that. Call
quality is the same and you can add anything you want to the iPhone.
Sounds like you aren't keeping up with modern day developments.
Face it Steve, you got stuck with a sucky Nokia phone and are JEALOUS of
iPhone users. You'll get one in time, don't fret!
-
Kurt
Todd Allcock <elecc...@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
> At 04 Sep 2007 18:16:27 -0700 Kurt wrote:
>
> > yes a spreadsheet with 1 pt type. You do real efficient "business"
> > trying to work with that.
>
>
> I always find it interesting when someone complains about screen size
> and resolution on modern smartphones. Sure it isn't a 1084x768 17"
> display, but 320x240 and 640x480 were both desktop standards not too
> many years sgo. I find Excel no more difficult to use on my PPC
> screen than Lotus 1-2-3 or Multiplan were on my ancient CGA displays
> years ago.
>
> A PDA/smartphone is a technological Swiss Army Knife. A very useful
> collection of tools in a compact, easy to carry package. Sure, any
> one of those tools pales in comparison to it's full-sized/full-
> featured equivalent, but that's hardly the point, is it? No one
> who's ever used the screwdriver or scissors on a Swiss Army knife
> prefered it over using a real screwdriver or a real pair of scissors.
> The point is that I essentially have the most important capabilities
> of a low-end laptop in a device the size of a deck of cards, and,
> more importantly, like the knife, I have it EVERYWHERE, unlike a pair
> of scissors, screwdriver, or a laptop!
>
> Unlike a prior poster, I won't claim you can't possibly use your
> iPhone for business- but I'll guess that your business uses do not
> require much more than e-mail, web access and telephony. If so,
> fine. But some of us need more, and need it even when the cell
> network is unavailable (docs.google.com? Google Maps? Surrre...)
>
> That's why I find the iPhone so disappointing. It's an impressive
> piece of hardware hampered by an extremely foolish (greedy?) business
> plan. Third-party developers have done amazing things with the iPod.
> If given "official" access to the iPhone, these and other 3rd-party
> developers would've likely already turned the iPhone into a real
> business-class device that'd give RIM, Symbian and MS a run for their
> money. As it stands now, it's an iPod phone with webtablet, (and a
> darn spiffy one!) A tremendous waste of excellent equipment.
The problem with the PDAs is that they try to be everything for
everybody.
I refused to look at 40 field spreadsheets on my Treo. The Word to Go
was cumbersome (text editing with the tiny keyboard was a really
inefficient use of my time).
Laptop is so much faster and a much better use of my time. Iget the
feeling that some people's work up here is primarily reading
spreadsheets and Word docs while travelling. If so, you probably do need
something that is designed to read these docs.
I own a pretty busy design company, and where some of it is managerial,
the iPhone's ease of use and functions greatly simplified my life.
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Tinman
> Oxford wrote:
>
> You're obviously confused here. Do you really OWN an iPhone? Without being
> connected to the web, which *IS* server based, what can you do with it
> beyond what every other phone can do?
Let's see, ssh, ftp, Apache, BitchX, Perl, Ruby, Python.
Then there's a downright excellent NES emulator for games (along with other
native games), plenty of file management tools, the ability to send or email
any file on the device (and yes that can include Office documents), a
command line that any 'nix user would love.
To compare the iPhone to "every other phone" is just plain silly.
It's not just a phone, it's a computing device running one of the most
comprehensive OS's I have ever seen on a mobile device. With all of the
modding I have done my iPhone is still 10x more stable than my Palm OS
Treo--and any WinMob device I've owned too.
I could go on and on, but this is only the beginning...
>
> Listen to music? My Nokia S60 can do that. Including OGG, which he iPhone
> can't play
My Treo played music too. Guess what? Barely used it. The iPhone's wonderful
iTunes integration changed that.
>
> Look at pictures... My Nokia S60 can do that.
So what? So could every phone I've owned since 2002. Doesn't mean it they
did it as well as my iPhone. Fact is they didn't.
>
> Watch Movies... My Nokia S60 can do that. Including Divx, Mpeg4, etc...
>
See above. And pixels count.
> Make a phone call... My Nokia S60 can do that. But it has superior call
> quality VS the iPhone. Which is more important to me.
>
I have zero issues with call quality. In fact it is greatly improved over
the Treo I used for the last 2 years.
> Now, what else can my S60 do, that your iPhone can't?
I could list more, but your mind appears closed...
--
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Peter Hayes
> Scott <how...@you.do> wrote:
>
> > >
> > >> > bodes well for them to
> > >> > get 10-15% in 1.5 years.
> > >>
> > >> Um- no.
> > >
> > > well sure, it could be a bit higher, but I think 10-15% is about right
> > > for the "smartphone" market in the 36 month timeframe.
Since when did 1.5 years = 36 months?
<...>
> > > doesn't require a citation, Apple does not allow others to advertise
> > > the iPhone. sounds like you don't know much about Apple, is that
> > > correct?
> >
> > No- it sounds like you made it up and can't back up the statement with
> > any authoritative sources.
>
> incorrect, the iPhone is only sold through 2 channels. Apple/ATT, and
> ATT cannot advertise the iPhone outside of their store. That's a fact.
http://www.pmptoday.com/2007/06/03/three-att-iphone-ads-says-its-coming-
june-29th/
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Peter
Steve Mackay
> Steve Mackay <steve_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> no, it's not server based, unless you call voice mail server based, but
>>> all phones work that way. everything else I store IN the phone.
>> You're obviously confused here. Do you really OWN an iPhone? Without
>> being connected to the web, which *IS* server based, what can you do
>> with it beyond what every other phone can do?
>
> Yes, I own several, and the iPhone is no more "server based" than any
> Laptop... and that is the point.
Really? So go somewhere with no wifi access or cell phone access and
tell us this<eye roll> You're stuck with an ipod at that point.
>
>> Listen to music? My Nokia S60 can do that. Including OGG, which he
>> iPhone can't play
>
> But not through an easy to use interface. Nobody but fools want OGG, a
> wretched format.
Yeah, who would want a smaller, better sounding format... <eye roll>
>
>> Look at pictures... My Nokia S60 can do that.
>
> Not as clearly or as big as I can on my iPhone, nor can it sync as easy
> as it does with iPhoto. Nor can it zoom in, zoom out of an image. Nokia
> SUCKS when it comes to graphics.
Yes I can zoom in and out. No, I don't have as big of a screen. Nor do I
want a device that large and fragile.
>
>> Watch Movies... My Nokia S60 can do that. Including Divx, Mpeg4, etc...
>
> Not as clearly or as big as I can on my iPhone, nor can it sync as easy
> as it does with Handbreak, VisualHub and countless others. Plus the
> battery life on the iPhone is about double the Nokia.
ROFLMAO! You can go a week with your iphone without a charge? That
sounds highly optimistic.
>
>> Make a phone call... My Nokia S60 can do that. But it has superior call
>> quality VS the iPhone. Which is more important to me.
>
> Depends on your signal, both are the same if the signal is the same,
> idiot!
Um no.. But keep telling yourself that.
>
>> Now, what else can my S60 do, that your iPhone can't?
>>
>> Well, I have my checkbook in there http://tinyurl.com/2t2yhr
>
> Great and I can do the same thing on the iPhone.
Really? How?<here is where oxtard runs>
>
>> with a $50 sirfIII bluetooth GPS, and a free download of smart2go, I
>> have a fairly decent GPS app http://tinyurl.com/2n333c Or I could buy an
>> app from Tomtom, or Garmin to do the same thing. Can't do that with an
>> iPhone without being tethered to the web. Which is VERY impractical for
>> the type of trips I take(I tend to stay off the beaten path on my
>> motorcycle)
>
> GPS will come to the iPhone in the same way.
uh huh...
>
>>>> Remember back when we were all supposed to give up our massive hard drive
>>>> PCs and use an appliance that amounted to a Java Computer where all our
>>>> data and programs were stored on a SERVER BASED system so we could be
>>>> constantly charged, over and over, for access to the data and use of the
>>>> programs? JAVA was the answer to all our problems....remember? Remember
>>>> when the users rebelled and "Just Said NO" to this scam? Is iPhone the
>>>> reincarnation to this off-site, server-based, soak 'em constantly, scam?
>>>>
>>>> I can see that....can't you?
>>> no, you just don't know how the iPhone operates.
>>>
>>> funny stuff Larry, got any more ignorance to share?
>> Um, he's explaining it PERFECTLY.
>
> No he is not since he CLEARLY doesn't have an iPhone, neither do you.
> You have an old fashioned Nokia, nobody wants one of those "dinosaurs"
> after the iPhone appeared.
>
>> What is an iPhone without a web 2.0 server? It's a touch screen ipod
>> with a mediocre phone attached to it. Without hacking it, you can't add
>> any new functionality to it without being tethered to the web.
>
> Actually it's a Multitouch screen, the Nokia doesn't have that.
Nor do I want it.
> Call
> quality is the same
No, it's not. The Nokia is superior in call quality.
> and you can add anything you want to the iPhone.
No, you can't. You cannot add applications to the iphone. You can RUN
web 2.0 apps on it. But without hacking it, you're stuck.
> Sounds like you aren't keeping up with modern day developments.
No, I am. I'm just not the rabbid fanboi that
>
> Face it Steve, you got stuck with a sucky Nokia phone and are JEALOUS of
> iPhone users. You'll get one in time, don't fret!
If I wanted an iPhone, I'd have one. It's too fragile, can't change the
battery myself, no GPS, No expense tracking, etc...
Tinman
--
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Tinman
> Just announced. Yep, a $200 price drop!!!
>
11:12 am: "But we want to get even more aggressive with this. Take a look at
the iPhone. You know, the surveys are in: the customer satisfaction numbers
on the iPhone are off the charts. They're higher from iPhone owners than any
Apple product. Ever. They LOVE them. We want to make the iPhone even MORE
affordable for even more people."
"So we're going to do something about that today. We're on track to ship our
1 millionth iPhone this month -- to get ready for the holidays here's what
we're going to do. It's clear customers want the 8GB model -- it's not going
to sell for 599 anymore."
"Starting today effective immediately, we're pricing it at just $399." (HUGE
applause.)
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Oxford
> Since when did 1.5 years = 36 months?
that darn / divide by 2 button!
my mistake.