C:\ONGRTLNS.W95
Christopher G. Hughes
JRCh...@cmu.edu (John Chang) wrote:
>Could someone tell me what "C:\ONGRTLNS.W95" (as in Apple's recent ads)
>means? I can't make any sense out of the name.
>
Congradulations Windows 95. It's a joke regarding Win95's supposed long
file names which appear to be at least part vaporware. Yes, one can have
long file names on a Win95 box but if the file needs to be put on a floppy
it has to be reverted to the old 8x3 format.
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means? I can't make any sense out of the name.
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John Chang
>Could someone tell me what "C:\ONGRTLNS.W95" (as in Apple's recent ads)
>means? I can't make any sense out of the name.
Thanks to dy...@fas.harvard.edu who explained the "congratulations.window95".
What is this? Welcome Microsoft, seriously? Not a good sign...
Ashley Roach
: Could someone tell me what "C:\ONGRTLNS.W95" (as in Apple's recent ads)
: means? I can't make any sense out of the name.
I don't know if you're being serious, but....
It's congratulations windows 95...the point is, IMHO, that w95 hasn't yet
lost it's dos prompt...I guess it could also be congratulating them on
copying something that apple has had for 10 years. There are probably
other implications, but that's all I'v ethought of...any other takers?
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Barry Lake
JRCh...@cmu.edu (John Chang) wrote:
> Could someone tell me what "C:\ONGRTLNS.W95" (as in Apple's recent ads)
> means? I can't make any sense out of the name.
>
Could it mean "Congratulations Windows95" ?
Barry Lake
"If you're not on the edge you're taking up too much space"
Ragnar
> Could someone tell me what "C:\ONGRTLNS.W95" (as in Apple's recent ads)
> means? I can't make any sense out of the name.
>
>
> John Chang
> Carnegie Mellon University, School of Computer Science
>
"Congratulations Win95" is what it is saying. In essence, it took the pc world
about 14 years to do what the mac originally did: use an intelligent file
naming scheme. the mac was not the first, but at least they did not clone the
bad parts of CPM like microsoft did when they released dos 1.0.
In Seattle where Microsoft is located, Apple had this taunt on the side of the
public busses going through the corporate square. Rather humorous I think.
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Jason Bobby
JRCh...@cmu.edu says...
>
>Could someone tell me what "C:\ONGRTLNS.W95" (as in Apple's recent ads)
>means? I can't make any sense out of the name.
>
lack of long file name support... (actually it has somewhat of a makeshift
one... but only if you use all 32-bit apps.. it gets complicated)
Edward Floden
JRCh...@cmu.edu (John Chang) wrote:
> Could someone tell me what "C:\ONGRTLNS.W95" (as in Apple's recent ads)
> means? I can't make any sense out of the name.
"Congratulations, Windows 95"
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Scott J. Lopez
: Could someone tell me what "C:\ONGRTLNS.W95" (as in Apple's recent ads)
: means? I can't make any sense out of the name.
It means Congratulations Windows 95, and is a stab at windows, which at the
very core of things still has a 8.3 character format FAT table (the hidden file
that stores information about files on your system). One of W95's big
"features" was that users can now have long file names. Well it turns out that
is only partially true. While W95 presents long file names you type, it
secretly converts them to 8.3 format names and maintains a table which links
your name to the hidden name. This was done for backward compatability
with old windows and for transporting files to systems that aren't running
w95. So much for progress 'eh?
Scott
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file. You'll find it at <http://www2.waikato.ac.nz/ldo/congrats_w95.gif>.
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C:\ONGRTLNS.W95 by Christopher Hughes@telep
> In article <JRChang+-300...@pika-dtd-96-98.mac.cc.cmu.edu>,
> JRCh...@cmu.edu (John Chang) wrote:
>
> >Could someone tell me what "C:\ONGRTLNS.W95" (as in Apple's recent ads)
> >means? I can't make any sense out of the name.
> >
>
> file names which appear to be at least part vaporware. Yes, one can have
> long file names on a Win95 box but if the file needs to be put on a floppy
> it has to be reverted to the old 8x3 format.
>
> --
> Christopher G. Hughes.
>
> Peasant Syndrome ©
The joke is poorly based. Long file names aren't vapor. They work, but
of course, only new programs understand them. To maintain
compatibility, the long file names are shortened to 8.3, but the name is
intact to Win95. Just FYI, "Congratulations Windows 95" would be saved
as c:\congra~0
On a floppy you'd see a:\congra~0 when you put it in a DOS machine dir
a: would yield congra~0 Total 1 file. If you went to another Win95
machine it would appear as Congratulations Windows 95 in the a: window.
You would think Apple could find something better to pick on (they're
are better ones in Win95).
Have fun,
Ned
Edward Brekelbaum eb...@andrew.cmu.edu
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"Windows is watching you."- GRRussell
Bjorn Vennstrom
Lopez) wrote:
> One of W95's big
> "features" was that users can now have long file names. Well it turns out that
> is only partially true. While W95 presents long file names you type, it
> secretly converts them to 8.3 format names and maintains a table which links
> your name to the hidden name. This was done for backward compatability
> with old windows and for transporting files to systems that aren't running
> w95. So much for progress 'eh?
What happens when the file containing the table gets corrupted? How do
users find their files, not knowing what the long file name was converted
to?
Bjorn
Sangria
says...
>> One of W95's big
>> "features" was that users can now have long file names. Well it turns out that
>> is only partially true. While W95 presents long file names you type, it
>> secretly converts them to 8.3 format names and maintains a table which links
>> your name to the hidden name. This was done for backward compatability
>> with old windows and for transporting files to systems that aren't running
>> w95. So much for progress 'eh?
>
>What happens when the file containing the table gets corrupted? How do
>users find their files, not knowing what the long file name was converted
>to?
My but the FUD level is getting thick...
Win95 doesn't "secretly" convert the LFN into a 8.3 format.
It stores LFN in LFN format. What it will do is "create" a
8.3 format name as well to allow old applications to be
able to deal with the various files.
The way Win95 (and WinNT) creates these 8.3 names is by taking
the first six characters of the LFN (minus spaces) and appending
to the end a "~" + number followed by the .extension clipped to
three characters.
So 'This Long File Name.Text' would be converted to 'ThisLo~1.Tex'.
And this is done for the first six files, ie., you'll fine ThisLo~1.Tex,
ThisLo~2.Tex, ... , ThisLo~6.Tex. After which the system will
generate a hash entry and use it instead.
BTW, there is no "table" where this information is kept. Infact,
under VFAT there is only one table to start with--File Allocation
Table (the T in VFAT). And if you hose this table, you don't have
a file system anymore.
Win95's file system's weakness is not the LFN support, but the
very fact that Win95 uses the brain-dead VFAT file system and
all it's limitations.
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willie* chang
bjorn.v...@cmb.ki.se (Bjorn Vennstrom) wrote:
> In article <424bir$f...@sol.pepboys.com>, slo...@sol.pepboys.com (Scott J.
> Lopez) wrote:
>
> > One of W95's big
> > "features" was that users can now have long file names. Well it turns
out that
> > is only partially true. While W95 presents long file names you type, it
> > secretly converts them to 8.3 format names and maintains a table which links
> > your name to the hidden name.
> > w95. So much for progress 'eh?
As usual, "patch and pray", peecee H/W and S/W are like kit car except
it's a shopping cart in the kit -- kit cart.
> What happens when the file containing the table gets corrupted? How do
> users find their files, not knowing what the long file name was converted
> to?
C:\ONGRTLNS.W95 ;)
Actually it will be just codes left, like, A2K3TU54.R6P, H8TG223L.B39,
V0Z3SW7M.QE0, ...
It's like the usual peecee technologies mentioned before:
640K RAM extended by patching paging technology -> infinity (of bugs and grief)
2 comm ports patched by switching to and back -> 4 comm ports
4 IRQ's patched by switching to and back -> 8 IRQ's
now...
8.3-letter file names patches by a lookup table -> 100-letter names.
"TAH-DAH! It works!", a MediocreSoft programmer's horraying.
When the table is messed up, hey, what fun! Another job security for those
so-called Weirdos engineers/consultants but actually just peecee janitors.
;) That's how their jobs are secured, they don't like Mac, too perfectly
done and too little work need be done (too lil money to earn).
> Bjorn
Travel, not grumble!
willie* cha...@nmt.edu http://nmt.edu/~changw