I have the answer...
Greg Chapman
... and it's that most of the posters here are kinda pathetic for a few
reasons. First of all - the blinder's that both sides are wearing are
pretty sad. The mindless devotion to any particular OS is SAD. Secondly,
as for the benchmark threads (G3 vs PII stuff) - you shouldn't believe
what you read. Put them side by side - I did. I won't give away the
answer.
Laughing and the organized religion-like behaviour,
--
Greg Chapman
Tools & Libraries
Electronic Arts (Canada), Inc.
Edwin E. Thorne
Greetings.
I am forwarding a message that was posted to comp.sys.mac.advocacy by one
of your employees. Does he speak for Electronic Arts? Is it corporate
policy to post insulting messages to potential customers on their news
groups?
Best regards,
Edwin E. Thorne
Start of forwarded message:
Path:
news.wwa.com!nntp.flash.net!feed.nntp.acc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!News.Vancouv
er.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news.bc.rogers.wave.ca!pc-43129.bc.rogers.wave.c
a!user
From: pixe...@well.com (Greg Chapman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: I have the answer...
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:26:23 +0100
Organization: lacking
Lines: 13
Message-ID: <pixelboy-270...@pc-43129.bc.rogers.wave.ca>
NNTP-Posting-Host: pc-43129.bc.rogers.wave.ca
Xref: news.wwa.com comp.sys.mac.advocacy:369258
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy:241832
DC
Are you kidding me? What is so bad about this? Why are people so goddamn
sensitive these days? You sent a complaint over THIS? Dude, get a life
and a clue.
-DC
Edwin E. Thorne
Christopher Smith <drsm...@usa.net> wrote in article
<6i525e$eu1$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>...
> Jees, I can just see you when you were 7 years old;
>
> Some kids: "Hey man, your shoes look really dumb"
> Edwin: "Muuuuummmmmmmm, those kids were making fun of me !"
>
snip.
Thank you for sharing your imaginings with us. Are they the result of
some drug induced stupor, or do you just go off into a delusional trance?
Brad Hutchings
Edwin wrote:
>I am forwarding a message that was posted to comp.sys.mac.advocacy by one
>of your employees. Does he speak for Electronic Arts? Is it corporate
>policy to post insulting messages to potential customers on their news
>groups?
Dude, just lighten up. This is advocacy, not Sesame Street. You get
especially bent out of shape when a developer or employee of a development
house makes any kind of statement here that isn't completely sanitized.
Speaking for me only. I don't participate here to attract customers. I
don't market on this newsgroup. I do advocate for the things that are near
and dear to my heart and my business model. Your apparent expectation that
a developer treat every troll on this newsgroup (you included) with the
respect they would treat a customer is asinine.
I may be way off base here, but I think the developers here (including the
Rhapsodians!) are the presence that keeps the discussion a little bit above
"No, Mac the Knife said this" vs. "I don't care, cuz MacOS Rumors said
this" vs. "Who cares, Bill Gates in an alien". If you don't value the
candid opinions of developers, keep pulling crap like forwarding messages
to people's employers.
Edwin, you really need to grow up. If you can't handle a little debate,
sarcasm, flaming, FUD, personal attacks, lies, and occasional slander, just
go away until you can.
Brad
<mailto: "Brad Hutchings" br...@hutchings-software.com>
<http://www.hutchings-software.com>
Got OpenDoc? Got Cyberdog? Then try Rapid-I Button. Tried it? Then buy it!
Point your Cyberdog to the Hutchings Software web site.
Edwin E. Thorne
Brad Hutchings <br...@hutchings-software.com> wrote in article
<B16B642...@207.217.155.101>...
> Edwin wrote:
>
> >I am forwarding a message that was posted to comp.sys.mac.advocacy by
one
> >of your employees. Does he speak for Electronic Arts? Is it corporate
> >policy to post insulting messages to potential customers on their news
> >groups?
>
> Dude, just lighten up. This is advocacy, not Sesame Street.
You must still watch that, seeing how it comes readily to your enfeebled
mind.
>You get
> especially bent out of shape when a developer or employee of a
development
> house makes any kind of statement here that isn't completely sanitized.
More of the slander that passes for what you think is debate. Why?
Because you are a total ass.
> Speaking for me only.
It had better be for you only. No one wants to be associated with you.
Why not? Because you are a total ass.
>I don't participate here to attract customers. I
> don't market on this newsgroup.
Ever look at your OWN signature line? More proof that you are a total
ass.
>I do advocate for the things that are near
> and dear to my heart and my business model. Your apparent expectation
that
> a developer treat every troll on this newsgroup (you included) with the
> respect they would treat a customer is asinine.
Calling a person a troll for not buying your products, or for pointing out
problems in OpenDoc makes you a total ass. You are the asinine one, Brad,
not I.
> I may be way off base here, but I think the developers here (including
the
> Rhapsodians!) are the presence that keeps the discussion a little bit
above
> "No, Mac the Knife said this" vs. "I don't care, cuz MacOS Rumors said
> this" vs. "Who cares, Bill Gates in an alien". If you don't value the
> candid opinions of developers, keep pulling crap like forwarding messages
> to people's employers.
ROTFLMAO. The guy writes a two-bit bookmark program, and now he's a
DEVELOPER. What the hell do you know about what developers think, Brad?
You're just an ass.
> Edwin, you really need to grow up. If you can't handle a little debate,
> sarcasm, flaming, FUD, personal attacks, lies, and occasional slander,
just
> go away until you can.
I can handled debate just fine. Those thing you call part of debating in
that paragraph really aren't. You think they are because you are a total
ass. I don't need advice from you on anything. Why not? Because you are
a total ass.
> Brad
>
> <mailto: "Brad Hutchings" br...@hutchings-software.com>
> <http://www.hutchings-software.com>
>
> Got OpenDoc? Got Cyberdog? Then try Rapid-I Button. Tried it? Then buy
it!
> Point your Cyberdog to the Hutchings Software web site.
See the advertisement that accompanies every Brian Hutchings post? But
he's not selling anything here, is he? Yeah, right.
Thank you Brad, for another installment of "Proof that Brian Hutchings is a
Total Ass."
Craig Koller
In article <B16B642...@207.217.155.101>, "Brad Hutchings"
<br...@hutchings-software.com> wrote:
> Edwin wrote:
>
> >I am forwarding a message that was posted to comp.sys.mac.advocacy by one
> >of your employees. Does he speak for Electronic Arts? Is it corporate
> >policy to post insulting messages to potential customers on their news
> >groups?
>
> Dude, just lighten up. This is advocacy, not Sesame Street. You get
> especially bent out of shape when a developer or employee of a development
> house makes any kind of statement here that isn't completely sanitized.
> Speaking for me only. I don't participate here to attract customers. I
> don't market on this newsgroup. I do advocate for the things that are near
> and dear to my heart and my business model. Your apparent expectation that
> a developer treat every troll on this newsgroup (you included) with the
> respect they would treat a customer is asinine.
>
> I may be way off base here, but I think the developers here (including the
> Rhapsodians!) are the presence that keeps the discussion a little bit above
> "No, Mac the Knife said this" vs. "I don't care, cuz MacOS Rumors said
> this" vs. "Who cares, Bill Gates in an alien". If you don't value the
> candid opinions of developers, keep pulling crap like forwarding messages
> to people's employers.
>
> Edwin, you really need to grow up. If you can't handle a little debate,
> sarcasm, flaming, FUD, personal attacks, lies, and occasional slander, just
> go away until you can.
>
> Brad
>
Agreed. Edwin, it's not cool to get somebody in hot water with his employer
just for voicing an opinion. I don't care if the guy works for Apple.
What's here should stay here, and people should feel free to write pro or
can without fear of getting "told" on.
Lawson English
Edwin E. Thorne said:
> Greetings.
>
> I am forwarding a message that was posted to comp.sys.mac.advocacy by
> one
> of your employees. Does he speak for Electronic Arts? Is it corporate
> policy to post insulting messages to potential customers on their news
> groups?
[...]
[QUOTE]
> .... and it's that most of the posters here are kinda pathetic for a few
> reasons. First of all - the blinder's that both sides are wearing are
> pretty sad. The mindless devotion to any particular OS is SAD. Secondly,
> as for the benchmark threads (G3 vs PII stuff) - you shouldn't believe
> what you read. Put them side by side - I did. I won't give away the
> answer.
>
> Laughing and the organized religion-like behaviour,
Only Edwin would find this to be an example of posting "insulting messages
to potential customers."
I resemble the remarks pretty well, and I can still appreciate them.
Why can't you?
Oh, that's right. There's a difference between "dedicated" and "blind
fanaticism."
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Want Apple to license Cyberdog for third-party development? Go to:
<http://www.pcsincnet.com/petition.html>
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Edwin E. Thorne
Craig Koller <cko...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<6i5949$h...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
I would never post a message calling people pathetic that had my employer's
name tagged to it. Why not? Because I'd be fired. If the guy wants to
express his opinions here, fine. If he wants to express his opinions as a
representative of Electronic Arts, he'd better be very careful of what he
posts.
If he wants to post his opinions of software and hardware, fine. If he
wants to denigrate the posters of this NG in the name of Electronic Arts,
he had better be ready to have those messages forwarded.
Edwin E. Thorne
Christopher Smith <drsm...@usa.net> wrote in article
<6i56ur$o2m$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>...
> >>
snip.
> No, I just find it amusing when someone who is hopefully a mature adult
> finds it necessary to complain to another person's employer because he
> insulted their choice of computer in a forum well-noted for:
Go back and READ the guy's message Christopher. He's not insulting a
choice of computer, he's insulting the PEOPLE who post on this NG.
Snip of opinions of what's said on this NG.
> Like I said, if this is the way you react as a mature (maybe's that's the
> fatal flaw in my reasoning) adult then I'd guess that's the way you were
as
> a kid.
The fantasies are kicking in again. If they're not drugs or delusions,
what left? Head trauma?
snip.
Edwin E. Thorne
Lawson English <eng...@primenet.com> wrote in article
<B16B79...@206.165.43.14>...
snip.
>
> I resemble the remarks pretty well, and I can still appreciate them.
snip.
So which parts do you feel that you resemble? The "pathetic" part? The
"mindless devotion" part? The "really sad" part? Or all of them?
Lawson English
All of the above, and more. The one thing that I can proudly say that I do
NOT resemble is...
You.
Brad Hutchings
Edwin wrote:
>I can handled debate just fine. Those thing you call part of debating
in
>that paragraph really aren't.
Well, those things are what goes on here. BTW, you are exhibiting blatant
intellectual dishonesty (I'm assuming it's not stupidity) by saying I was
calling those things "debating" in that paragraph. Call me an ass if that
makes you feel good, but please don't misrepresent my ideas.
Tom Elam
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:26:23 +0100, pixe...@well.com (Greg Chapman) wrote:
>... and it's that most of the posters here are kinda pathetic for a few
>reasons. First of all - the blinder's that both sides are wearing are
>pretty sad. The mindless devotion to any particular OS is SAD. Secondly,
>as for the benchmark threads (G3 vs PII stuff) - you shouldn't believe
>what you read. Put them side by side - I did. I won't give away the
>answer.
>
>Laughing and the organized religion-like behaviour,
Great post Greg, but somebody forwarded it to your company.
---------------------------------------------
Tom Elam
The Family Home Page is at:
http://members.iquest.net/~telam/homepage.html
The universe is not only stranger than we imagine,
it's stranger than we CAN imagine
Isaac Asimov
Tom Elam
On 28 Apr 1998 16:33:28 GMT, "Edwin E. Thorne" <edwin....@rauland.com>
wrote:
>Greetings.
>
>I am forwarding a message that was posted to comp.sys.mac.advocacy by one
>of your employees. Does he speak for Electronic Arts? Is it corporate
>policy to post insulting messages to potential customers on their news
>groups?
>
>Best regards,
>Edwin E. Thorne
>
>
>... and it's that most of the posters here are kinda pathetic for a few
>reasons. First of all - the blinder's that both sides are wearing are
>pretty sad. The mindless devotion to any particular OS is SAD. Secondly,
>as for the benchmark threads (G3 vs PII stuff) - you shouldn't believe
>what you read. Put them side by side - I did. I won't give away the
>answer.
>
>Laughing and the organized religion-like behaviour,
Man Edwin, you must be having a really bad week. First the Earthlink thing,
now this. Can't anybody do or say anything without royally pissing you off?
fretwiz
In article <6i5949$h...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
cko...@worldnet.att.net (Craig Koller) wrote:
> Agreed. Edwin, it's not cool to get somebody in hot water with his employer
> just for voicing an opinion. I don't care if the guy works for Apple.
> What's here should stay here, and people should feel free to write pro or
> can without fear of getting "told" on.
If that guy is stupid enough to post here with his opinions and not do it
anonymously, he deserves what he gets. *THAT* is the REAL world... like it
or not.
Greg Chapman
>Greetings.
>
>I am forwarding a message that was posted to comp.sys.mac.advocacy by one
>of your employees. Does he speak for Electronic Arts? Is it corporate
>policy to post insulting messages to potential customers on their news
>groups?
Greetings.
This post was posted in my name, while in in fact did NOT post that
article.
If you look at the headers, it shows up from an ISP, and not from my
account... someone is spamming the groups in my name. I don't
appreciate people faking news headers to imitate myself OR my company.
I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me.
I don't post to advocacy groups - and do not read them.
Thanks to Tom Elam for bringing this to my attention.
Best of luck in resolving your differences,
(The real...)
Greg Chapman
M Rassbach
Brad Hutchings wrote:
> Edwin wrote:
>
> >I am forwarding a message that was posted to comp.sys.mac.advocacy by one
> >of your employees. Does he speak for Electronic Arts? Is it corporate
> >policy to post insulting messages to potential customers on their news
> >groups?
>
> Dude, just lighten up. This is advocacy, not Sesame Street. You get
> especially bent out of shape when a developer or employee of a development
> house makes any kind of statement here that isn't completely sanitized.
1) And people wonder why no one wants to use thier real names
And to paraphrase Edwin:
Edwin can't forgive the game makers for abandonding the Mac. So he has an axe
to grind with them all.
Ted King
In article <fretwiz-2804...@den-co53-38.ix.netcom.com>,
fre...@ix.netcom.com (fretwiz) wrote:
And the real world also is that a bunch of people can express the opinion
that to do what Edwin did over a relatively mild post is way over-reacting.
Anybody who has been reading this newsgroup for very long and is objective
will almost certainly agree it was an over-reaction; be they Wintel
advocates or Mac advocates (which I am).
Ted King
fretwiz
In article <davking-ya0230800...@news.lodinet.com>,
dav...@lodinet.com (Ted King) wrote:
Who suggested it wasn't?
Christopher Smith
Jees, I can just see you when you were 7 years old;
Some kids: "Hey man, your shoes look really dumb"
Edwin: "Muuuuummmmmmmm, those kids were making fun of me !"
>Greetings.
>
>I am forwarding a message that was posted to comp.sys.mac.advocacy by one
>of your employees. Does he speak for Electronic Arts? Is it corporate
>policy to post insulting messages to potential customers on their news
>groups?
>
>Best regards,
>Edwin E. Thorne
>
[snip typical advocacy blather]
Christopher Smith
>>
>> Some kids: "Hey man, your shoes look really dumb"
>> Edwin: "Muuuuummmmmmmm, those kids were making fun of me !"
>>
>
>Thank you for sharing your imaginings with us. Are they the result of
>some drug induced stupor, or do you just go off into a delusional trance?
No, I just find it amusing when someone who is hopefully a mature adult
finds it necessary to complain to another person's employer because he
insulted their choice of computer in a forum well-noted for:
1. It's bias, and the vocality of people presenting their bias.
2. It's lack of eloquence.
3. It's consistent ability to offend to put forward "opinions" which will
certainly offend *someone*, *somewhere*.
Like I said, if this is the way you react as a mature (maybe's that's the
fatal flaw in my reasoning) adult then I'd guess that's the way you were as
a kid.
Oh yeah - lighten up a bit.
Christopher Smith
Edwin E. Thorne wrote in message
<01bd72dd$208703a0$c074...@edwint.rauland.com>...
>
>
>Christopher Smith <drsm...@usa.net> wrote in article
><6i56ur$o2m$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>...
>> >>
>
>snip.
>
>> No, I just find it amusing when someone who is hopefully a mature adult
>> finds it necessary to complain to another person's employer because he
>> insulted their choice of computer in a forum well-noted for:
>
>Go back and READ the guy's message Christopher. He's not insulting a
>choice of computer, he's insulting the PEOPLE who post on this NG.
Hypocrisy, I love it. Quotes from the enlightened (and slightly less than
objective) keyboard of Edwin:
"You must still watch that, seeing how it comes readily to your enfeebled
mind."
"More of the slander that passes for what you think is debate. Why?
Because you are a total ass."
"It had better be for you only. No one wants to be associated with you.
Why not? Because you are a total ass."
"Ever look at your OWN signature line? More proof that you are a total
ass."
"ROTFLMAO. The guy writes a two-bit bookmark program, and now he's a
DEVELOPER. What the hell do you know about what developers think, Brad?
You're just an ass."
"No, you are the moron Mr. Bla. You are mentally defective. Everything
you did is there for all to see, you can't change it no matter what you
say later.
Get a better brain Mr.Bla. One that works. You plainly said that you
snipped out Derek's "propaganda" WITHOUT READING IT. You did the
SELECTIVE READING you accused Derek of. YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE AND A MENTAL
DEFECTIVE, MR. BLA."
"Thank you for sharing your imaginings with us. Are they the result of
some drug induced stupor, or do you just go off into a delusional trance?"
"So which parts do you feel that you resemble? The "pathetic" part? The
"mindless devotion" part? The "really sad" part? Or all of them?"
(BTW, I think you quite easily qualify for all of "pathetic", "mindless
devotion" and "really sad"
>> Like I said, if this is the way you react as a mature (maybe's that's the
>> fatal flaw in my reasoning) adult then I'd guess that's the way you were
>as
>> a kid.
>
>The fantasies are kicking in again. If they're not drugs or delusions,
>what left? Head trauma?
Oh, just for your information Edwin:
Christopher Smith
2nd Year B Science/IT
University of Queensland, Australia
s35...@student.uq.edu.au
Greg Chapman
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:17:02 GMT, te...@iquest.net (Tom Elam) wrote:
>Great post Greg, but somebody forwarded it to your company.
I'd like to take credit for it - but I can't.
C'est forged.
But thanks for emailing me.
Cheers,
Greg Chapman
Anders Ohlsson
Edwin E. Thorne wrote:
> Lawson English <eng...@primenet.com> wrote in article
> > I resemble the remarks pretty well, and I can still appreciate them.
>
> So which parts do you feel that you resemble? The "pathetic" part?
> The
> "mindless devotion" part? The "really sad" part? Or all of them?
Don't worry Edwin, your all-time record isn't threatened.
/A
Christopher Smith
Greg Chapman wrote in message <35466fa3...@newshost.ea.com>...
Oh well then, this _does_ add an interesting twist - I wonder if Edwin
forged it :P.
Edwin E. Thorne
Brad Hutchings <br...@hutchings-software.com> wrote in article
<B16B867...@207.217.155.101>...
No, Brad, I have no "intellectual dishonesty", blatant or otherwise, nor am
I stupid. You assume that any disagreement with you is based on stupidity
because you are a total ass. It is YOU who lacks "intellectual honesty",
you blatant hypocrite.
Here's more proof that Brian Hutchings is a total ass:
The following is a cut-and-paste of an Email sent to me by the real Greg
Chapman.
On 28 Apr 1998 16:33:28 GMT, "Edwin E. Thorne"
<edwin....@rauland.com> wrote:
>Greetings.
>
>I am forwarding a message that was posted to comp.sys.mac.advocacy by one
>of your employees. Does he speak for Electronic Arts? Is it corporate
>policy to post insulting messages to potential customers on their news
>groups?
Greetings.
This post was posted in my name, while in fact did NOT post that
article.
If you look at the headers, it shows up from an ISP, and not from my
account... someone is spamming the groups in my name. I don't
appreciate people faking news headers to imitate myself OR my company.
I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me.
I don't post to advocacy groups - and do not read them.
Thanks to Tom Elam for bringing this to my attention.
Best of luck in resolving your differences,
(The real...)
Greg Chapman
So you see, my complaint exposed a forged message delivered in the name of
Electronic Arts. Yet you denigrated me for forwarding the message,
without regard for what the message said, or who may have sent it.
Why did you do it, Brad? Because you are a total ass.
Edwin E. Thorne
Here is the Email the real Greg Chapman to me:
On 28 Apr 1998 16:33:28 GMT, "Edwin E. Thorne"
<edwin....@rauland.com> wrote:
>Greetings.
>
>I am forwarding a message that was posted to comp.sys.mac.advocacy by one
>of your employees. Does he speak for Electronic Arts? Is it corporate
>policy to post insulting messages to potential customers on their news
>groups?
Greetings.
This post was posted in my name, while in fact did NOT post that
article.
If you look at the headers, it shows up from an ISP, and not from my
account... someone is spamming the groups in my name. I don't
appreciate people faking news headers to imitate myself OR my company.
I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me.
I don't post to advocacy groups - and do not read them.
Thanks to Tom Elam for bringing this to my attention.
Best of luck in resolving your differences,
(The real...)
Greg Chapman
End of Greg's email.
I am now ready to accept your apologies. ;-)
Edwin E. Thorne
M Rassbach <ma...@milestonerdl.com> wrote in article
<35466396...@milestonerdl.com>...
>
>
> Brad Hutchings wrote:
>
> > Edwin wrote:
> >
> > >I am forwarding a message that was posted to comp.sys.mac.advocacy by
one
> > >of your employees. Does he speak for Electronic Arts? Is it
corporate
> > >policy to post insulting messages to potential customers on their news
> > >groups?
> >
> > Dude, just lighten up. This is advocacy, not Sesame Street. You get
> > especially bent out of shape when a developer or employee of a
development
> > house makes any kind of statement here that isn't completely sanitized.
>
> 1) And people wonder why no one wants to use thier real names
>
> And to paraphrase Edwin:
>
> Edwin can't forgive the game makers for abandonding the Mac. So he has
an axe
> to grind with them all.
>
You're rather slow on the uptake aren't you? I didn't criticize any game
makers for abandoning the Mac. That's their choice, and the only thing I
can do in that regard is buy games from somebody else. I haven't had any
problem with getting any game I want for the Mac, BTW.
Put your thinking cap on, this is going to be a tough one for you: I
criticized the poster for insulting the PEOPLE who post on this NG in the
name of Electronic Arts. I DID NOT criticize ANYONE for not making Mac
games.
and here is the Email I got from the real Greg Chapman:
Edwin E. Thorne
Christopher Smith <drsm...@usa.net> wrote in article
<6i68kk$m6m$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>...
You're just not man enough to admit that you were wrong, and apologize, are
you Christopher?
Instead you top insult with slander.
You've said far more about your yourself with your messages than you could
ever say about me.
Edwin E. Thorne
Lawson English <eng...@primenet.com> wrote in article
> Edwin E. Thorne <edwin....@rauland.com> said:
>
> >
> >
> > Lawson English <eng...@primenet.com> wrote in article
> > <B16B79...@206.165.43.14>...
> >
> > snip.
> > >
> > > I resemble the remarks pretty well, and I can still appreciate them.
> >
> > snip.
> >
> > So which parts do you feel that you resemble? The "pathetic" part?
> The
> > "mindless devotion" part? The "really sad" part? Or all of them?
> >
>
> All of the above, and more. The one thing that I can proudly say that I
do
> NOT resemble is...
>
> You.
Good for you Lawson. You're proud to be a really sad, pathetic, mindless
devotee (by your own admission). I, OTOH, am proud to be none of those
things. If I were, it would completely invalidate my Mac advocacy.
snip.
Edwin E. Thorne
Christopher Smith <drsm...@usa.net> wrote in article
<6i5qd5$82l$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>...
>
> Edwin E. Thorne wrote in message
> <01bd72dd$208703a0$c074...@edwint.rauland.com>...
> >
> >
> >Christopher Smith <drsm...@usa.net> wrote in article
> ><6i56ur$o2m$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>...
> >> >>
> >
> >snip.
> >
> >> No, I just find it amusing when someone who is hopefully a mature
adult
> >> finds it necessary to complain to another person's employer because he
> >> insulted their choice of computer in a forum well-noted for:
> >
> >Go back and READ the guy's message Christopher. He's not insulting a
> >choice of computer, he's insulting the PEOPLE who post on this NG.
That statement is absolutely true, and I stand by it 100%.
> Hypocrisy, I love it. Quotes from the enlightened (and slightly less
than
> objective) keyboard of Edwin:
I'll replace my keyboard. ;-)
>
> "You must still watch that, seeing how it comes readily to your enfeebled
> mind."
How else would you answer someone who tells you that "life is not Sesame
Street?"
> "More of the slander that passes for what you think is debate. Why?
> Because you are a total ass."
I don't always respond well when I'm slandered. Sorry.
> "It had better be for you only. No one wants to be associated with you.
> Why not? Because you are a total ass."
This is in response to a barrage of attacks that Brad Hutchings heaped upon
me.
> "Ever look at your OWN signature line? More proof that you are a total
> ass."
This is what I said to someone who says he's not selling anything on CMSA,
yet who's signature line *is* and advertisement for his products.
> "ROTFLMAO. The guy writes a two-bit bookmark program, and now he's a
> DEVELOPER. What the hell do you know about what developers think, Brad?
> You're just an ass."
This is an appropriate response to someone who tries to make themselves
superior to others on the basis of a single Cyberdog project. Because of
his bookmarks program, Brad feels he is the ultimate authority on all
things Macintosh, and that he has the right to denigrate any who disagrees
with him.
> "No, you are the moron Mr. Bla. You are mentally defective. Everything
> you did is there for all to see, you can't change it no matter what you
> say later.
> Get a better brain Mr.Bla. One that works. You plainly said that you
> snipped out Derek's "propaganda" WITHOUT READING IT. You did the
> SELECTIVE READING you accused Derek of. YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE AND A MENTAL
> DEFECTIVE, MR. BLA."
If you'd like to cut and paste insults, look up Mr. Bla's messages. How
about that wonderful thread "MOTHERF__KING WHY? that Mr. Bla posted?
> "Thank you for sharing your imaginings with us. Are they the result of
> some drug induced stupor, or do you just go off into a delusional
trance?"
>
This is an appropriate response. I don't think someone can psychoanalyze
me from the age of 7 forward, by a few Usenet postings, unless they're
delusional. Notice that you find no fault in the attack on my reasoning
ability, only in my response to the attack.
> "So which parts do you feel that you resemble? The "pathetic" part?
The
> "mindless devotion" part? The "really sad" part? Or all of them?"
>
Lawson said that he "resembled" an insulting message. So I was curious as
to which insults he felt he resembled.
> (BTW, I think you quite easily qualify for all of "pathetic", "mindless
> devotion" and "really sad"
That quote isn't from me.
> >> Like I said, if this is the way you react as a mature (maybe's that's
the
> >> fatal flaw in my reasoning) adult then I'd guess that's the way you
were
> >as
> >> a kid.
> >
> >The fantasies are kicking in again. If they're not drugs or delusions,
> >what left? Head trauma?
This is an appropriate response. I don't think someone can psychoanalyze
me from the age of 7 forward, by a few Usenet postings, unless they're
delusional. Notice that you find no fault in the attack on my reasoning
ability, only in my response to the attack.
>
> Oh, just for your information Edwin:
>
> Christopher Smith
> 2nd Year B Science/IT
> University of Queensland, Australia
> s35...@student.uq.edu.au
That was a wonderful job of taking statements out of context, Christopher.
I notice that you included nothing of the attacks that were made on me,
that motivated me to respond in the way that I did. You are attempting to
paint a false picture of me, by making my out-of the-ordinary statements
seem like my typical posting.
Say Hi to Crocodile Dundee for me, and watch out for those Road Warriors.
;-)
Edwin E. Thorne
Christopher Smith <drsm...@usa.net> wrote in article
<6i7hlj$v1k$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>...
> >
> >
> >End of Greg's email.
> >I am now ready to accept your apologies. ;-)
>
>
> Apologies for what, exactly ?
>
You're pretty good at cutting and pasting when it suits your purposes,
Christopher. Cut and paste some of the insulting replies I received in
this thread for your answer.
Edwin E. Thorne
Christopher Smith <drsm...@usa.net> wrote in article
<6i7hh0$vcr$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>...
>
> Edwin E. Thorne wrote in message
> <01bd7372$98f06800$c074...@edwint.rauland.com>...
> >
> >
> >
> >So you see, my complaint exposed a forged message delivered in the name
of
> >Electronic Arts. Yet you denigrated me for forwarding the message,
> >without regard for what the message said, or who may have sent it.
> >
> >Why did you do it, Brad? Because you are a total ass.
>
>
> Now *that* is spin control.
>
No, that is a reply to an attack. If Brad wants to make an ass out of
himself, I will point it out. He has been attaching insulting replies to
anything I post, because I criticized Cyberdog and OpenDoc.
Edwin E. Thorne
Christopher Smith <drsm...@usa.net> wrote in article
<6i824m$fe1$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>...
> >> >
> >> >Go back and READ the guy's message Christopher. He's not insulting
a
> >> >choice of computer, he's insulting the PEOPLE who post on this NG.
> >
> >That statement is absolutely true, and I stand by it 100%.
>
> And if you are really greatly offended by his post then I suggest you
avoid
> advocacy groups like the plague and go back to school.
snip.
Okay, I will. Send me an application for the one listed further down.
;-)
> >> Oh, just for your information Edwin:
> >>
> >> Christopher Smith
> >> 2nd Year B Science/IT
> >> University of Queensland, Australia
> >> s35...@student.uq.edu.au
> >
snip.
Edwin E. Thorne
Christopher Smith <drsm...@usa.net> wrote in article
<6i80d1$8ih$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>...
Yawn. This is getting boring. I give up. I'm going back to school or
whatever. ;-)
> Crikey [snip]
Thanks for that new word. ;-) Can you give an American equivalent for
"crikey?"
Phil Brewster
Due to ship for Mac and Windows in May, there's a beta preview at:
http://www.zdnet.com/macweek/mw_1216/rv_photoshop.html
I may need to save more than my pennies to afford it, but it looks like a
significant upgrade.
:-)
The entry price for new users has gone up by about a third, which almost
makes it more economical for them to buy Photoshop 4.0 + upgrade than
Photoshop 5.0 off the shelf, it seems to me.
<start gratuitous *.advocacy commentary>
-- Guess Adobe is hungry for more revenues from newbie Windows PS users,
while giving existing Mac PS users even less reason to switch if they have
to pay for new software..... IOW, next quarter's 'percent of sales' figures
at Adobe won't be very meaningful if taken as a symptom that 'the Mac is
dying', as per usual, even though they are likely to reflect higher Windows
revenues due to the $800 difference that now exists between new and upgrade
pricing per unit; but I anticipate Mr. Field's ritual posting of the
figures under this heading nonetheless, as per usual (it just wouldn't be
Usenet *.advocacy without them, every quarter, like clockwork.... <g>).
;-)
<end gratuitous *.advocacy commentary>
Cheers,
--------
Phil Brewster (pjbrew at ix dot netcom dot com)
Phil Brewster
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 4:43 PM, Christopher Smith <mailto:drsm...@usa.net>
wrote:
>>> Crikey [snip]
>>
>>Thanks for that new word. ;-) Can you give an American equivalent
for
>>"crikey?"
>
>
>hell" would be something you might find easier to understand :)
>
Still a bit too British, though I agree it's more likely to be familiar to
us here in America.... ;-)
'Native' American equivalents might range anywhere from 'Sheesh!' or
'Jeez!' to 'Jesus F***ing Christ!!!', depending on the level of
exasperation or surprise.
-- Just my humble contribution to furthering international
understanding....
;-)
Christopher Smith
>> Oh well then, this _does_ add an interesting twist - I wonder if Edwin
>> forged it :P.
>>
>You're just not man enough to admit that you were wrong, and apologize, are
>you Christopher?
Uh huh, when was I wrong ?
>
>Instead you top insult with slander.
Wow, guess I'm just as bad as you now right ?
>
>You've said far more about your yourself with your messages than you could
>ever say about me.
I don't *want* to say much about you Edwin, you do such an admirable job
yourself.
Christopher Smith
Christopher Smith
Christopher Smith
>> Apologies for what, exactly ?
>>
>
>Christopher. Cut and paste some of the insulting replies I received in
>this thread for your answer.
Crikey, if you were really offended by any of the "insults" you received
(most of which were deserved), then I advise that the Internet (and Usenet
advocacy groups in particular) is not a place you should spend a great deal
of time.
Christopher Smith
>> >
>> >Go back and READ the guy's message Christopher. He's not insulting a
>> >choice of computer, he's insulting the PEOPLE who post on this NG.
>
>That statement is absolutely true, and I stand by it 100%.
And if you are really greatly offended by his post then I suggest you avoid
advocacy groups like the plague and go back to school.
>> "You must still watch that, seeing how it comes readily to your enfeebled
>> mind."
>
>How else would you answer someone who tells you that "life is not Sesame
>Street?"
That would depend entirely on whether I had jsut decided to go on a moral
crusade against offensive posts in advocacy groups, as you did. Had I, then
I would have tried to avoid having a double-stnadard as much as possible and
been *polite*, or ignored it altogether.
>
>> "More of the slander that passes for what you think is debate. Why?
>> Because you are a total ass."
>
>I don't always respond well when I'm slandered. Sorry.
Exactly what is slanderous about "You get especially bent out of shape when
a developer or employee of a development house makes any kind of statement
here that isn't completely sanitized." ?
>> "Ever look at your OWN signature line? More proof that you are a total
>> ass."
>
>This is what I said to someone who says he's not selling anything on CMSA,
>yet who's signature line *is* and advertisement for his products.
So you can prove he is specifically trying to sell to CMSA ? Does he ever
post to any other newsgroups with the same .sig ?
>> "No, you are the moron Mr. Bla. You are mentally defective. Everything
>> you did is there for all to see, you can't change it no matter what you
>> say later.
>> Get a better brain Mr.Bla. One that works. You plainly said that you
>> snipped out Derek's "propaganda" WITHOUT READING IT. You did the
>> SELECTIVE READING you accused Derek of. YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE AND A MENTAL
>> DEFECTIVE, MR. BLA."
>
>If you'd like to cut and paste insults, look up Mr. Bla's messages. How
>about that wonderful thread "MOTHERF__KING WHY? that Mr. Bla posted?
Ok, I just pinged through my local news cache looking for articles by Mister
Bla (thats about 4500 messages, so probably about the last 3 days of
postings). About 1/3 the way down the list I found what might be deemed an
"insulting" post:
Mister Bla:
"GET THIS: CURRIE ACCUSED ---ME--- OF READING SELECTIVELY --FIRST--,
EVEN THOUGH HE ALMOST NEVER REPLIES TO POSTS AND READS
QUITE SELECTIVELY HIMSELF!!!!!!! WHAT HYPOCRACY IS THAT????
THEN YOU COME ALONG; STUPID FUCKING MORONIC DUMBASS,
AND ACCUSE --ME-- TOO, BECAUSE OF SOMETHING --DEREK CURRIE--
SAID BUT YOU THOUGHT --I-- HAD SAID!!! YOU NEED SOME GLASSES
IDIOT!!! AND A BRAIN NOT BOUGHT BY APPLE!!! NOW SHUT UP!!"
Of course, it was interesting to note it was a reply to this message, by you
Edwin:
"GET THIS: YOU SAID YOU SNIPPED DEREK'S "PROPAGANDA" WITHOUT READING
IT!!! GET TREATEMENT FOR YOUR CONDITION MR. BLA. STUPIDITY IS 100%
CURABLE. DON'T PUT IT OFF ANY LONGER"
More from Mister Bla:
"GET THIS INTO YOUR MORONIC AppleBrainSystem(tm)!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE THE MORONIC DUMBASS IDIOT GUILTY OF ACCUSING SOMEONE ON
THE BASIS OF WHAT OTHERS SAID!!!!!!!!! GET GLASSES, GET A BRAIN, GET A NEW
NEWSREADER!!! AND FINALLY; SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!"
However once again in reply to this post of yours Edwin:
"I find nothing but errors in your post because YOU'RE STUPID. YOU CAN'T
EVEN READ WHAT YOU WROTE YOURSELF! YOU ARE A TOTALLY MENTALLY DEFECTIVE,
STUPID, DUMB ASS, MORON!"
That particular message continues on with more of the same (from both
parties, and others).
And out of the 4500 messages in comp.sys.mac.advocacy that was the only one
I could find from Mister Bla which had anything "insulting" in it. It seems
to me that while Mister Bla's first language is obviously not English, he
has a fairly good grasp on expletives :) however it also appears he also
only uses them when provoked (which is definitely the right word) by other
people - notably you and fretwitz.
>
>> "Thank you for sharing your imaginings with us. Are they the result of
>> some drug induced stupor, or do you just go off into a delusional
>trance?"
>>
>This is an appropriate response. I don't think someone can psychoanalyze
>me from the age of 7 forward, by a few Usenet postings, unless they're
>delusional. Notice that you find no fault in the attack on my reasoning
>ability, only in my response to the attack.
I wouldn't call it particularly appropriate, but then again I'm hardly in an
objective position. It was, however, the type of reaction I would have
expected from a toungue-in-cheek comment judging a childish an immature
action from a childish and immature person.
>> >> Like I said, if this is the way you react as a mature (maybe's that's
>the
>> >> fatal flaw in my reasoning) adult then I'd guess that's the way you
>were
>> >as
>> >> a kid.
>> >
>> >The fantasies are kicking in again. If they're not drugs or delusions,
>> >what left? Head trauma?
>
>This is an appropriate response. I don't think someone can psychoanalyze
>me from the age of 7 forward, by a few Usenet postings, unless they're
>delusional. Notice that you find no fault in the attack on my reasoning
>ability, only in my response to the attack.
I wasn't trying to psychoanalyse you, I was making a toungue-in-cheek (you
know what that is, right ?) comment about the type of action I would have
expected from someone with the maturity of a young child.
>
>>
>> Oh, just for your information Edwin:
>>
>> Christopher Smith
>> 2nd Year B Science/IT
>> University of Queensland, Australia
>> s35...@student.uq.edu.au
>
>That was a wonderful job of taking statements out of context, Christopher.
> I notice that you included nothing of the attacks that were made on me,
>that motivated me to respond in the way that I did. You are attempting to
>paint a false picture of me, by making my out-of the-ordinary statements
>seem like my typical posting.
Most of the "attacks" (I use the term loosely) on you were the result of a
fairly typical reaction to what you did. Since the vast majority of
reactions were along the same lines, I'd say the people have judged. As for
a picture of you Edwin, I did the same search for your name through the same
number of messages as I did for Mister Bla - I found a hell of a lot more
calling people dumbasses and questioning the mental abilities with *your*
name attached.
>
>Say Hi to Crocodile Dundee for me, and watch out for those Road Warriors.
>;-)
Sure thing, right after I feed the kangaroos :)
Christopher Smith
Michael James Lawler
"Edwin E. Thorne" <edwin....@rauland.com> writes:
>Say Hi to Crocodile Dundee for me, and watch out for those Road Warriors.
>;-)
You mean 'Mad Max' and friends. 'Road Warriors' was the U.S. title.
cheers,
Michael Lawler.
Carl Bond
In article <6i8aag$lv5$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>, "Christopher Smith"
<drsm...@usa.net> wrote:
What, you mean "cripes?"
--
"I urge you to be different. I urge you to buy Macintosh. You'll
personally reap the benefits and you'll have great strength. Enjoy."
<Carl Bond> <cb...@earthlink.net>
BadSeed76
>You mean 'Mad Max' and friends. 'Road Warriors' was the U.S. title.
Actually Road Warrior was the sequel to Mad Max...or maybe its vice versa...
christian
David Field
On 29 Apr 98 20:37:43 -0600, "Phil Brewster" <pjb...@nospam.com>
wrote:
Actually, Phil, I seem to remember Adobe introducing a new rev of
PageMaker at some $200 or more greater list price, and it settled down
to the usual retail within a couple of months.
I think this is Adobe's way of getting money from the "must have it
NOW" crowd.
I want to know what they've done with MMX in the PC version.
David.
Phil Brewster
Probably so. I wasn't looking much past the first quarter after its release
in terms of impact on 'percent of sales', etc.
>I think this is Adobe's way of getting money from the "must have it
>NOW" crowd.
>
>I want to know what they've done with MMX in the PC version.
>
I haven't heard of anything MMX-specific -- then again, I've only seen the
'feature lists' reported on in the 'MacWeek' previews (where celebration of
any new MMX enhancements in the Windows version would typically be quite,
ehm, reserved, shall we say?.... <g>).
I thought Adobe had pretty much already tweaked the 'MMXCore' plugin (or
whatever the MMX accelerator itself is called....) as much as they could
for Windows PS 4.0.1, but I suppose there are always other filters and such
that they can try to accelerate in future releases.
The more consistent Adobe can make the movement from one operation to
another in the Windows version speed-wise, the better I think it will be
for users 'over yonder'. -- FWIW, a colleague recently described the
movement from MMX to non-MMX functions in the current Windows version as
being akin to 'a Ferrari on a freeway suddenly hitting wet tar
pavement'..... ;-)
Hopefully this was an exaggeration (?). He's one of these 'nouveau NT'
types (i.e., a PC newbie), so I did manage to muster all the objectivity I
could and suggest it might've been something else like the memory/file size
ratio in whatever he was working on at the time or the processor time-slice
(foreground/background task) allocations for NT on his machine that caused
him to feel like he was hitting against an invisible wall every so often.
Since it seemed to happen mostly in Photoshop, however, I dunno....
Though neither of us could pinpoint it any further, it actually sounded to
me like the former: just another variant on ye olde 'when you've hit the
swap file, you'll know it' syndrome -- which seems to be a 'cross-platform
feature' of Photoshop, no matter how much memory you (or NT) throw at the
beast....
Dang! I must be slipping. -- I can't even make a decent *.advocacy point
with a perfectly good analogy like the Ferrari hitting wet tar, any
more!....
John Savard
"Christopher Smith" <drsm...@usa.net> wrote:
>Crikey, if you were really offended by any of the "insults" you received
>(most of which were deserved), then I advise that the Internet (and Usenet
>advocacy groups in particular) is not a place you should spend a great deal
>of time.
Absolutely none of the insults were deserved, if they were responses
to a forged post he didn't write.
However, it is not the people who criticized the bad post, who
responded to what they saw, but the forger who owes any apologies.
John Savard
....:::Mister Bla
Christopher Smith wrote<6i824m$fe1$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>...
>>> >
>>> >Go back and READ the guy's message Christopher. He's not insulting a
>>> >choice of computer, he's insulting the PEOPLE who post on this NG.
>>
>>That statement is absolutely true, and I stand by it 100%.
>
>And if you are really greatly offended by his post then I suggest you avoid
>advocacy groups like the plague and go back to school.
I agree; if some people feel we`re acting like childish arses(which to me seems to
be the whole point of this group ;), they have all rights to tell us without
responses like Edwin`s. This only shows how easily Edwin is offended, and
will ultimately backfire... Stupid "move" IMO, Edwin...
<snip>
>>> "More of the slander that passes for what you think is debate. Why?
>>> Because you are a total ass."
>>
>>I don't always respond well when I'm slandered. Sorry.
>
>Exactly what is slanderous about "You get especially bent out of shape when
>a developer or employee of a development house makes any kind of statement
>here that isn't completely sanitized." ?
I`m asking the same question...
<snip>
>>> "No, you are the moron Mr. Bla. You are mentally defective. Everything
>>> you did is there for all to see, you can't change it no matter what you
>>> say later.
>>> Get a better brain Mr.Bla. One that works. You plainly said that you
>>> snipped out Derek's "propaganda" WITHOUT READING IT. You did the
>>> SELECTIVE READING you accused Derek of. YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE AND A MENTAL
>>> DEFECTIVE, MR. BLA."
>>
>>If you'd like to cut and paste insults, look up Mr. Bla's messages. How
>>about that wonderful thread "MOTHERF__KING WHY? that Mr. Bla posted?
What about it? I have nothing to hide, anyone`s in fact -encouraged- to take a look
on what I posted in that thread. In Norway, you see, those four letter words
are usually not seen as very offending. I`m sorry if my cultural bias offended -you-,
but that is of no concern to me.
>Ok, I just pinged through my local news cache looking for articles by Mister
>Bla (thats about 4500 messages, so probably about the last 3 days of
>postings).
What?! Is that the cache or me? ;-)
> About 1/3 the way down the list I found what might be deemed an
>"insulting" post:
>Mister Bla:
>"GET THIS: CURRIE ACCUSED ---ME--- OF READING SELECTIVELY --FIRST--,
>EVEN THOUGH HE ALMOST NEVER REPLIES TO POSTS AND READS
>QUITE SELECTIVELY HIMSELF!!!!!!! WHAT HYPOCRACY IS THAT????
>THEN YOU COME ALONG; STUPID FUCKING MORONIC DUMBASS,
>AND ACCUSE --ME-- TOO, BECAUSE OF SOMETHING --DEREK CURRIE--
>SAID BUT YOU THOUGHT --I-- HAD SAID!!! YOU NEED SOME GLASSES
>IDIOT!!! AND A BRAIN NOT BOUGHT BY APPLE!!! NOW SHUT UP!!"
>
>Of course, it was interesting to note it was a reply to this message, by you
>Edwin:
>"GET THIS: YOU SAID YOU SNIPPED DEREK'S "PROPAGANDA" WITHOUT READING
>IT!!! GET TREATEMENT FOR YOUR CONDITION MR. BLA. STUPIDITY IS 100%
>CURABLE. DON'T PUT IT OFF ANY LONGER"
What I wrote above was in fact a somewhat laughing attempt to better
Edwin`s use of all caps. I think it turned out pretty well...
>More from Mister Bla:
>"GET THIS INTO YOUR MORONIC AppleBrainSystem(tm)!!!!!!!!!!!!
>YOU ARE THE MORONIC DUMBASS IDIOT GUILTY OF ACCUSING SOMEONE ON
>THE BASIS OF WHAT OTHERS SAID!!!!!!!!! GET GLASSES, GET A BRAIN, GET A NEW
>NEWSREADER!!! AND FINALLY; SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!"
>
>However once again in reply to this post of yours Edwin:
>"I find nothing but errors in your post because YOU'RE STUPID. YOU CAN'T
>EVEN READ WHAT YOU WROTE YOURSELF! YOU ARE A TOTALLY MENTALLY DEFECTIVE,
>STUPID, DUMB ASS, MORON!"
Again, Edwin`s use of all caps had me ROTFLMAO a long time afterwards.
It was really thoughtful of him to do that, because I needed to rid myself
of a little stress...
>That particular message continues on with more of the same (from both
>parties, and others).
>And out of the 4500 messages in comp.sys.mac.advocacy that was the only one
>I could find from Mister Bla which had anything "insulting" in it. It seems
>to me that while Mister Bla's first language is obviously not English, he
>has a fairly good grasp on expletives :) however it also appears he also
>only uses them when provoked (which is definitely the right word) by other
>people - notably you and fretwitz.
It has been one of my goals to make these two individuals understand
that they`re doing this group no good with their continuous assaults
of Wintel advocates, notably me, but also a few others. It is very true
that English is not my first language, and though I probably have a few
errors when it comes to the way I build my sentences, at least my
grammatics are ususally correct ;). And remember that not -all- usenet
posters has English as their first language. I think they earn as much
respect as "the rest" do. All in all, I agree wholeheartedly; I have only
used expletives when I feel I`m in my right to do so. I believe I have
NEVER been the first to flame, with a few exceptions such as the
thread Edwin mentioned above(though I was pretty upset then, too..=)
<snip>
>>That was a wonderful job of taking statements out of context, Christopher.
>> I notice that you included nothing of the attacks that were made on me,
>>that motivated me to respond in the way that I did. You are attempting to
>>paint a false picture of me, by making my out-of the-ordinary statements
>>seem like my typical posting.
>
>Most of the "attacks" (I use the term loosely) on you were the result of a
>fairly typical reaction to what you did. Since the vast majority of
>reactions were along the same lines, I'd say the people have judged. As for
>a picture of you Edwin, I did the same search for your name through the same
>number of messages as I did for Mister Bla - I found a hell of a lot more
>calling people dumbasses and questioning the mental abilities with *your*
>name attached.
Though I have done no searches on Edwin`s posts, I can imagine you`re
right. Edwin seems to me to be a person who first of all takes this way too
serious, and second of all lets people piss him off far too easily. I believe
he should try to remove those characteristics some way; maybe he should
spend some time in flame groups or something...
--
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fretwiz
In article <6ibd3v$ml9$1...@news1.sol.no>, "....:::Mister Bla"
<bla8226@.SPAM?NO!.online.no> wrote:
> I agree; if some people feel we`re acting like childish arses(which to
me seems to
> be the whole point of this group ;), they have all rights to tell us without
> responses like Edwin`s. This only shows how easily Edwin is offended, and
> will ultimately backfire... Stupid "move" IMO, Edwin...
Bla, you only feel this way because you're almost an adolescent,(and not a
very bright one at that).
> What about it? I have nothing to hide, anyone`s in fact -encouraged- to
take a look
> on what I posted in that thread. In Norway, you see, those four letter words
> are usually not seen as very offending. I`m sorry if my cultural bias
offended -you-,
> but that is of no concern to me.
You're a liar here as well Bla. You're main motive is to yank peoples
chains and you know it. It's fun for you to try and play with the 'big
people'.
> It has been one of my goals to make these two individuals understand
> that they`re doing this group no good with their continuous assaults
> of Wintel advocates, notably me, but also a few others.
Gee Bla, up above you said it seems the point of the group is to make
childish arses of ourselves. If you believe this, then why would you care
what anyone posts? Grow up little boy, you're not smart enough to outfox
the 'big people'. I don't see how you could be more full of shit and stay
alive.
fretwiz
> And if you are really greatly offended by his post then I suggest you avoid
> advocacy groups like the plague and go back to school.
WHY should he listen to one of your suggestions? Who are you, his father?
> That would depend entirely on whether I had jsut decided to go on a moral
> crusade against offensive posts in advocacy groups, as you did. Had I, then
> I would have tried to avoid having a double-stnadard as much as possible and
> been *polite*, or ignored it altogether.
Why would you start doing this now? I haven't seen you do it to date.
> That particular message continues on with more of the same (from both
> parties, and others).
> And out of the 4500 messages in comp.sys.mac.advocacy that was the only one
> I could find from Mister Bla which had anything "insulting" in it. It seems
> to me that while Mister Bla's first language is obviously not English, he
> has a fairly good grasp on expletives :) however it also appears he also
> only uses them when provoked (which is definitely the right word) by other
> people - notably you and fretwitz.
I've never seen this fretwitz guy, but I have unquestionably provoked Bla
because that is what he expected, I merely gave it to him. As MANY other
Wintel users here will admit, Bla comes here for entertainment. I'll
entertain him and anyone else if they so desire.
> I wouldn't call it particularly appropriate, but then again I'm hardly in an
> objective position. It was, however, the type of reaction I would have
> expected from a toungue-in-cheek comment judging a childish an immature
> action from a childish and immature person.
You're right here, you're NOT in an objective position.
> I wasn't trying to psychoanalyse you, I was making a toungue-in-cheek (you
> know what that is, right ?) comment about the type of action I would have
> expected from someone with the maturity of a young child.
I'm not in an objective position, but It stinks of a lie here.
> Most of the "attacks" (I use the term loosely) on you were the result of a
> fairly typical reaction to what you did. Since the vast majority of
> reactions were along the same lines, I'd say the people have judged.
What people? The Wintel cretins who frequent this NG? You're a walking
comedy. Get a grip....
>As for a picture of you Edwin, I did the same search for your name
through the >same number of messages as I did for Mister Bla - I found a
hell of a lot more
>calling people dumbasses and questioning the mental abilities with *your*
>name attached.
Yeah, these same 'people' that replied to this thread. You should leave
your computer now and then to gain a broader perspective of what your
missing out of life.
Go talk to the kangaroos.
fretwiz
In article <6icuc8$mm5$1...@supernews.com>, "Zico" <Zico...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> fretwiz wrote:
>
> >It's fun for you to try and play with the 'big people'.
>
>
> Truly the funniest thing in this newsgroup all week. fretwiz,
> he of the computer knowledge which can fit on the head of a
> pin, talking about others trying to play with the 'big people.'
>
> If you'd like to play with the "big people" once in a while, fretwiz,
> it's time for you to actually learn something about computers.
> Out of ALL the Mac or Wintel folks, you're the only one who has
> to rely on personal attacks for all of your arguments. If you
> think that you actually gain respect from it, you're more clueless
> than we thought.
>
> Your children must be truly proud.
>
> Z
You can't possibly have been thinking when you wrote what you did here. I
must admit, even I thought you were smarter than this. But what else is
new right? If you were, you would have been forced to see the irony of
your first sentence. This post actually confirms what I have known and I'm
sure many have suspected for quite some time. Zico, you are the supreme
idiot for assuming anothers knowledge on a topic when you have no proof
one way or another what that knowledge might be. This is comical!
Statements like these are generally reserved for use by juveniles, and
that is obviously what we are dealing with. What is my knowledge of
computers Zico? You are as clueless about it as you claim I am. I realize
that in the past you have taken the risk of looking like an idiot and
failed, but this time there is no risk,(no questions here, it's plain for
all to see). I've made it quite clear on this NG that my goals were to
harrass the Wintel cretin crowd, plain and simple. Where have I stated
otherwise? I've not hidden my agenda like most of you Wintel liars. If I
can make it less fun to hassle Mac users I will do so. I don't care who
likes it or not. There will be people who will disagree if Wintel users
should come in here and do what they do. I guess it's beyond your ken to
see that I am one of them. One need not be a computer guru to participate
in a Mac ADVOCACY NG, so I think your criteria is as out of whack as it
can get, (along with most of what you post). It's funny too, that you
compare knowledge of computers with being an adult, at least until one
considers the source. Am I dropping to a juvenile level by engaging
myself with Wintel users the way I do? Of course! As Bla so hypocritically
pointed out, this group exists to make asses of ourselves. I'm trying my
best, but you Zico, have turned it into an art form. With regards to this
I am one of the little people. And You? They don't come any bigger.
P.S. - Do you really think YOU have earned respect from any Mac users on
this Mac ADVOCACY NG? This *IS* a Mac group little boy.
Michel Vuijlsteke
Edwin E. Thorne wrote:
> I am forwarding a message that was posted to comp.sys.mac.advocacy by one
> of your employees. Does he speak for Electronic Arts? Is it corporate
> policy to post insulting messages to potential customers on their news
> groups?
You sad, sad, little person.
Michel Vuijlsteke
Michel Vuijlsteke
Michel Vuijlsteke
Edwin E. Thorne
Michel Vuijlsteke <mic...@netpoint.be> wrote in article
<355C60BF...@netpoint.be>...
Did you follow that thread and learn that I exposed the poster as an
imposter by forwarding his message, you typical Wintel Troll?
Edwin
P.S. It wasn't necessary to show off Windows NT by posting the same
message three times.
Edwin E. Thorne
Michel Vuijlsteke <mic...@netpoint.be> wrote in article
> Edwin E. Thorne wrote:
>
> > I am forwarding a message that was posted to comp.sys.mac.advocacy by
one
> > of your employees. Does he speak for Electronic Arts? Is it
corporate
> > policy to post insulting messages to potential customers on their news
> > groups?
>
> You sad, sad, little person.
>
> Michel Vuijlsteke
>
Duplicate posting number two. Who's sad Einstein?
Edwin E. Thorne
Michel Vuijlsteke <mic...@netpoint.be> wrote in article
> Edwin E. Thorne wrote:
>
> > I am forwarding a message that was posted to comp.sys.mac.advocacy by
one
> > of your employees. Does he speak for Electronic Arts? Is it
corporate
> > policy to post insulting messages to potential customers on their news
> > groups?
>
> You sad, sad, little person.
>
> Michel Vuijlsteke
>
Duplicate posting #3. You should learn how to use what passes for a news
reader on the piece of crap you're using.
Jason S.
Edwin E. Thorne posted the following to comp.sys.mac.advocacy:
>P.S. It wasn't necessary to show off Windows NT by posting the same
>message three times.
So _that's_ what Microsoft means by "multitasking" ;)
--
If FreeBSD actually did that, I would concede that FreeBSD was any more
"correct" than Linux is, but not even the FreeBSD people can justify
that kind of performance loss.
-- Linus Torvalds on comp.unix.advocacy