You'd have to have rocks in your head...
Edwin
... to buy a Mac Mini when you could buy this instead:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0261499
-hh
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=02...
4.21" x 13.89" x 10.87" (635 cubic inches)
19.67 lbs.
Mac mini benchmark: (84.5 cubic inches)
2" x 6.5" x 6.5"
2.9 pounds
-hh
Jim
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> ... to buy a Mac Mini when you could buy this instead:
>
> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0261499
It's not a Macintosh, you missed the important part since you're talking
to a Macintosh Advocacy NG.
Your link is to a Windows PC.
--
Jim
Edwin
> In article <1186073577.231873.164...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,> >http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=02...
>
> It's not a Macintosh, you missed the important part since you're talking
> to a Macintosh Advocacy NG.
>
> Your link is to a Windows PC.
It's you who missed the "important part," Jim, not I. This group
exists to compare the Mac to other computers, so my post is on topic
here.
But thanks for coming by to express your desperation.
Toodles.
Edwin
What point do you imagine you're making?
Steve Hix
-hh <recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
Your link truncated early...
Jim
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
That yours was far bigger than his, which in this case is a detriment.
--
Jim
Edwin
> In article <1186075442.353869.180...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 2, 12:03 pm, -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> > > Here's another 'small form factor' PC:
>
> > >http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=02...
>
> > > 4.21" x 13.89" x 10.87" (635 cubic inches)
> > > 19.67 lbs.
>
> > > Mac mini benchmark: (84.5 cubic inches)
>
> > > 2" x 6.5" x 6.5"
> > > 2.9 pounds
>
> > What point do you imagine you're making?
>
> That yours was far bigger than his, which in this case is a detriment.
Explain why this is "detriment."
Then tell how to get all the stuff from the PC into a Mac Mini.
Steve Carroll
> ... to buy a Mac Mini when you could buy this instead:
>
> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0261499
Well, other than having rocks in your head there are two other reasons that I
can think of right off the bat for buying the Mini...
1 - A dislike of Windows and Linux to the point where you are willing to pay
more to not have to be confined to using them.
2 - You wish to legally run all 3 of the mainstream OSes - Linux, Windows and
OSX - on 1 box (and it's an extremely portable box, at that).
I'd say that what you've linked to here is a good deal for "most people";)
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-hh
> -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> > Here's another 'small form factor' PC:
>
> >http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=02...
>
> > 4.21" x 13.89" x 10.87" (635 cubic inches)
> > 19.67 lbs.
>
> > Mac mini benchmark: (84.5 cubic inches)
>
> > 2" x 6.5" x 6.5"
> > 2.9 pounds
>
> > -hh
>
> Your link truncated early...
Good :-)
-hh
Sandman
> ... to buy a Mac Mini when you could buy this instead:
>
> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0261499
It's a bit too big... The point of the Mac *mini* is its size, not its
specs.
My Mac mini decodes 720p HD video in real time, which is all the CPU
power I need from it really.
--
Sandman[.net]
Sandman
> ... to buy a Mac Mini when you could buy this instead:
>
> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0261499
I think I've said it before. If you want to link to something that
competes with the Mac mini, try this one:
It's made in sweden and is a complete Windows Media Center computer in
a very small form factor. It looks very good. I don't know what it
costs.
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MuahMan
"Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> wrote in message
news:mr-853ABC.22...@News.Individual.NET...
That thing is fugly and as you say, it's built in Sweden. A country with no
work ethic (see their GDP) and 4 hour work days. PASS.
>
> --
> Sandman[.net]
nospamatall
> That thing is fugly and as you say, it's built in Sweden. A country with
> no work ethic (see their GDP) and 4 hour work days. PASS.
If you think that is a bad thing, I can see why you like windows so much.
Andy
Edwin
> In article <1186073577.231873.164...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
> It's a bit too big... The point of the Mac *mini* is its size, not its
> specs.
You may now explain why the size of a computer is more important than
what it does.
> My Mac mini decodes 720p HD video in real time, which is all the CPU
> power I need from it really.
What difference is that supposed to make to anybody else? Do you
think everybody can afford to fill their house with Apple's toys?
Jim Lee Jr.
"MuahMan" <Mua...@yahue.com> wrote:
> That thing is fugly and as you say, it's built in Sweden. A country with no
> work ethic (see their GDP) and 4 hour work days. PASS.
So it is built in Sweden. Jealous?
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Jim Lee Jr.
> That thing is fugly and as you say, it's built in Sweden. A country with no
> work ethic (see their GDP) and 4 hour work days. PASS.
Jealous of the Swedes?
Edwin
> In article <1186073577.231873.164...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
> Well, other than having rocks in your head there are two other reasons that I
> can think of right off the bat for buying the Mini...
>
> 1 - A dislike of Windows and Linux to the point where you are willing to pay
> more to not have to be confined to using them.
You'd also have to be willing to use a very underpowered Mac.
> 2 - You wish to legally run all 3 of the mainstream OSes - Linux, Windows and
> OSX - on 1 box
Or you could get a regular PC and run Solaris, Linux, BSD, Windows,
etc. and not worry about Mac OS X ;-)
(and it's an extremely portable box, at that).
This is more portable, and you can use it while in transit:
Portable Powerhouse
Sony VAIO N325E/B
* Microsoft® Windows® Vista™ Home Premium
* Intel® Pentium® Dual-Core Processor T2080
* 1024MB PC4200 DDR2 RAM
* 120GB 5400 RPM SATA Hard Drive
* Dual/Double Layer DVD±RW Drive
* 15.4" WXGA Display with XBRITE-ECO Technology
$679.99
747493 / $679.99 after instant savings & $100 Micro Center mail-in
rebate / REG. $829.99
http://www.microcenter.com/index.html
> I'd say that what you've linked to here is a good deal for "most people";)
Thank you. I think so too. :-)
Edwin
> In article <1186073577.231873.164...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
> I think I've said it before. If you want to link to something that
> competes with the Mac mini, try this one:
No thanks. I'll stick to PCs that are the same price as the Mac
Mini, or less.
> http://www.kapsel.se/
>
> It's made in sweden and is a complete Windows Media Center computer in
> a very small form factor. It looks very good. I don't know what it
> costs.
Then you ought to forget mentioning it.
Jim
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
Toodles indeed! The group does not exist to compare Macs to other
computers, per se, but it exists to *advocate* the Mac and it's use,
something you're unfamiliar with.
Then there's your delusions...
--
Jim
Edwin
> In article <1186075324.625194.130...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 2, 12:05 pm, Jim <j...@NOwwa.net> wrote:
> > > In article <1186073577.231873.164...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > ... to buy a Mac Mini when you could buy this instead:
>
> > > >http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=02...
>
> > > It's not a Macintosh, you missed the important part since you're talking
> > > to a Macintosh Advocacy NG.
>
> > > Your link is to a Windows PC.
>
> > It's you who missed the "important part," Jim, not I. This group
> > exists to compare the Mac to other computers, so my post is on topic
> > here.
>
> > But thanks for coming by to express your desperation.
>
> > Toodles.
>
> Toodles indeed! The group does not exist to compare Macs to other
> computers, per se,
That's *exactly* what it exists for. I've shown you the official
charter of this group more than once.
> but it exists to *advocate* the Mac and it's use,
> something you're unfamiliar with.
I certainly can't become familiar with it from your posts.
> Then there's your delusions...
... my delusion that you can be reasoned with... my delusion that you
are capable of a rational discussion... my delusion that you're
intelligent...
iMojo
Thanks for clearing that up EdWindoze. I thought this group was to
advocate the Macintosh platform.
iMojo
Come on MooMoo Man. Stop the lies. We all know you only work 3 hours a
day flipping burgers at Denny's.
ed
news:jim-BF0DDD.1...@netnews.comcast.net...<snip>
>> It's you who missed the "important part," Jim, not I. This group
>> exists to compare the Mac to other computers, so my post is on topic
>> here.
>>
>> But thanks for coming by to express your desperation.
>>
>> Toodles.
>
>
>
> Toodles indeed! The group does not exist to compare Macs to other
> computers, per se,
you're kidding, right?
'Comp.sys.mac.advocacy is a place to carry out discssion
about the Macintosh computer family and software in comparison
with computers and software from other companies. All
comparitive articles about the Macintosh should be placed here
if posted to the comp.sys.mac newsgroups sub-tree. No articles
posted here should be cross-posted to other comp.sys.mac
newsgroups.'
> but it exists to *advocate* the Mac and it's use,
it'd be largely preaching to the choir then, if that's all you were supposed
to do here, eh? ;D
Steve Carroll
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Aug 2, 1:51 pm, Steve Carroll <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> > In article <1186073577.231873.164...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > ... to buy a Mac Mini when you could buy this instead:
> >
> > >http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=02...
> >
> > Well, other than having rocks in your head there are two other reasons that
> > I
> > can think of right off the bat for buying the Mini...
> >
> > 1 - A dislike of Windows and Linux to the point where you are willing to
> > pay
> > more to not have to be confined to using them.
>
> You'd also have to be willing to use a very underpowered Mac.
Relatively speaking, yes.
>
> > 2 - You wish to legally run all 3 of the mainstream OSes - Linux, Windows
> > and
> > OSX - on 1 box
>
> Or you could get a regular PC and run Solaris, Linux, BSD, Windows,
> etc. and not worry about Mac OS X ;-)
>
> (and it's an extremely portable box, at that).
>
> This is more portable, and you can use it while in transit:
>
> Portable Powerhouse
> Sony VAIO N325E/B
>
> * Microsoft? Windows? Vista? Home Premium
> * Intel? Pentium? Dual-Core Processor T2080
> * 1024MB PC4200 DDR2 RAM
> * 120GB 5400 RPM SATA Hard Drive
> * Dual/Double Layer DVD?RW Drive
> * 15.4" WXGA Display with XBRITE-ECO Technology
>
> $679.99
>
> 747493 / $679.99 after instant savings & $100 Micro Center mail-in
> rebate / REG. $829.99
Will they legally run all 3 OSes (that was a part of point 2)? I wonder if Apple
will ever license OSX...
> http://www.microcenter.com/index.html
>
> > I'd say that what you've linked to here is a good deal for "most people";)
>
> Thank you. I think so too. :-)
--
Edwin
> In article <1186075324.625194.130...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
If that's what you thought, why haven't you been advocating the
Mac? That's not the same as bashing Wintel and insulting PC owners,
FYI.
Edwin
> In article <1186089770.609302.158...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 2, 1:51 pm, Steve Carroll <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> > > In article <1186073577.231873.164...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > ... to buy a Mac Mini when you could buy this instead:
>
> > > >http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=02...
>
> > > Well, other than having rocks in your head there are two other reasons that
> > > I
> > > can think of right off the bat for buying the Mini...
>
> > > 1 - A dislike of Windows and Linux to the point where you are willing to
> > > pay
> > > more to not have to be confined to using them.
>
> > You'd also have to be willing to use a very underpowered Mac.
>
> Relatively speaking, yes.
Thank you. Your honesty is refreshing in this group.
>
>
>
> > > 2 - You wish to legally run all 3 of the mainstream OSes - Linux, Windows
> > > and
> > > OSX - on 1 box
>
> > Or you could get a regular PC and run Solaris, Linux, BSD, Windows,
> > etc. and not worry about Mac OS X ;-)
>
> > (and it's an extremely portable box, at that).
>
> > This is more portable, and you can use it while in transit:
>
> > Portable Powerhouse
> > Sony VAIO N325E/B
>
> > * Microsoft? Windows? Vista? Home Premium
> > * Intel? Pentium? Dual-Core Processor T2080
> > * 1024MB PC4200 DDR2 RAM
> > * 120GB 5400 RPM SATA Hard Drive
> > * Dual/Double Layer DVD?RW Drive
> > * 15.4" WXGA Display with XBRITE-ECO Technology
>
> > $679.99
>
> > 747493 / $679.99 after instant savings & $100 Micro Center mail-in
> > rebate / REG. $829.99
>
> Will they legally run all 3 OSes (that was a part of point 2)?
Probably not. But how many people think running three OS is a
reason to pay a lot more to get less in computer hardware?
> I wonder if Apple
> will ever license OSX...
Probably not until it's too late to matter.
Steve Carroll
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
Probably not many... but for those that do, this is a good option. You don't
have to convince me which will be seen as the better deal by the masses... I
was providing reasons other than "rocks", remember? Not trying to win a
popularity contest;)
Tim Murray
> 4.21" x 13.89" x 10.87" (635 cubic inches)
How much horsepower?
Snit
1186075442.3...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com on 8/2/07 10:24 AM:
One about size and weight. Obviously.
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Snit
The same reason other "better" specs are.
If you need more speed, you look for a computer with more speed.
If you need a computer that runs OS X, you look for a computer that runs OS
X.
If you need a computer that will be small and unobtrusive, you look for a
computer that will be small and unobtrusive.
There are many examples where each of those may be a requirement.
>
> Then tell how to get all the stuff from the PC into a Mac Mini.
>
There are times the PC is a better option... and times the mini is. Not
hard to understand.
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Snit
> On Aug 2, 1:51 pm, Steve Carroll <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>> In article <1186073577.231873.164...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>>> ... to buy a Mac Mini when you could buy this instead:
>>
>>> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=02...
>
>>
>> Well, other than having rocks in your head there are two other reasons that I
>> can think of right off the bat for buying the Mini...
>>
>> 1 - A dislike of Windows and Linux to the point where you are willing to pay
>> more to not have to be confined to using them.
>
> You'd also have to be willing to use a very underpowered Mac.
I will agree that the Mac mini does not have "power" in the way that many
think of it... so in a way you are right.
But for the average user, the only "power" that matters for a tool is what
that tool lets them accomplish. And for that the Mac - any Mac - is often a
more "powerful" tool than any Windows machine (by any I mean any current
ones)
>
>> 2 - You wish to legally run all 3 of the mainstream OSes - Linux, Windows and
>> OSX - on 1 box
>
> Or you could get a regular PC and run Solaris, Linux, BSD, Windows,
> etc. and not worry about Mac OS X ;-)
Sure, but since many people are best served by OS X then a slower OS X
machine may very well serve them better than a faster machine that runs
those OSs.
This is *not* to say that is universal - it most certainly is *not*.
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Sandman
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Aug 2, 3:10 pm, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
> > In article <1186073577.231873.164...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > ... to buy a Mac Mini when you could buy this instead:
> >
> > >http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=02...
> >
> > I think I've said it before. If you want to link to something that
> > competes with the Mac mini, try this one:
>
> No thanks. I'll stick to PCs that are the same price as the Mac
> Mini, or less.
And the Kapsel costs what?
> > http://www.kapsel.se/
> >
> > It's made in sweden and is a complete Windows Media Center computer in
> > a very small form factor. It looks very good. I don't know what it
> > costs.
>
> Then you ought to forget mentioning it.
Well, I think price is just one parameter. I think Kapsel is a very
good looking HTPC, rivaling the design of the Mac mini.
--
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Snit
mr-C0D0D8.07...@News.Individual.NET on 8/2/07 10:13 PM:
Agreed - though it might be a bit bigger.
Sandman
Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Aug 2, 3:04 pm, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
> > In article <1186073577.231873.164...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > ... to buy a Mac Mini when you could buy this instead:
> >
> > >http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=02...
> >
> > It's a bit too big... The point of the Mac *mini* is its size, not its
> > specs.
>
> You may now explain why the size of a computer is more important than
> what it does.
Placement, really. Space conservation. My fathers wife has a Mac mini
on her desk. Takes very little space, looks very tidy. She loves it. I
have one next to my stereo equipment and uses it as a htpc. I couldn't
even fit that HP in there.
The entire point f the Mac mini is its size.
> > My Mac mini decodes 720p HD video in real time, which is all the CPU
> > power I need from it really.
>
> What difference is that supposed to make to anybody else?
Huh? I'm betting it does the same difference as you advocating this HP
for other merits. What's the difference?
> Do you think everybody can afford to fill their house with Apple's
> toys?
Afford? The Mac mini is $599 and this HP is $540. Not a very huge
difference.
--
Sandman[.net]
Sandman
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
Yeah, it's about twice as big, but with that design, I think it's ok.
:)
--
Sandman[.net]
Snit
>>> And the Kapsel costs what?
>>>
>>>>> http://www.kapsel.se/
>>>>>
>>>>> It's made in sweden and is a complete Windows Media Center computer in
>>>>> a very small form factor. It looks very good. I don't know what it
>>>>> costs.
>>>>
>>>> Then you ought to forget mentioning it.
>>>
>>> Well, I think price is just one parameter. I think Kapsel is a very
>>> good looking HTPC, rivaling the design of the Mac mini.
>>>
>> Agreed - though it might be a bit bigger.
>
> Yeah, it's about twice as big, but with that design, I think it's ok.
> :)
Depends on the needs... but it may be close enough to the size to not matter
for many purposes.
Snit
> In article <1186088950.6...@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 2, 3:04 pm, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
>>> In article <1186073577.231873.164...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>
>>> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>> ... to buy a Mac Mini when you could buy this instead:
>>>
>>>> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=02...
>>>
>>> It's a bit too big... The point of the Mac *mini* is its size, not its
>>> specs.
>>
>> You may now explain why the size of a computer is more important than
>> what it does.
>
> Placement, really. Space conservation. My fathers wife has a Mac mini
> on her desk. Takes very little space, looks very tidy. She loves it. I
> have one next to my stereo equipment and uses it as a htpc. I couldn't
> even fit that HP in there.
>
> The entire point f the Mac mini is its size.
It is also the lowest priced way to get a legal and supported copy of OS X
running.
--
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Snit
> On Aug 2, 3:10 pm, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
>> In article <1186073577.231873.164...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>>> ... to buy a Mac Mini when you could buy this instead:
>>
>>> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=02...
>>
>> I think I've said it before. If you want to link to something that
>> competes with the Mac mini, try this one:
>
> No thanks. I'll stick to PCs that are the same price as the Mac
> Mini, or less.
And I have no problem or argument with that choice. Each has benefits.
>
>> http://www.kapsel.se/
>>
>> It's made in sweden and is a complete Windows Media Center computer in
>> a very small form factor. It looks very good. I don't know what it
>> costs.
>
> Then you ought to forget mentioning it.
>
Pretty cool looking machine... looks like it is going after a similar market
as the Mac mini.... except looking at the specs it beats the mini in many
areas hands down. Not sure if they mini beats any of its specs, really,
other than, I believe, size. Would have to look at it more.
Too bad it does not run OS X. :)
Edwin
> In article <1186088950.6...@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 2, 3:04 pm, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
>> > In article <1186073577.231873.164...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>> >
>> > Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>> > > ... to buy a Mac Mini when you could buy this instead:
>> >
>> > >http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=02...
>> >
>> > It's a bit too big... The point of the Mac *mini* is its size, not its
>> > specs.
>>
>> You may now explain why the size of a computer is more important than
>> what it does.
>
> Placement, really. Space conservation. My fathers wife has a Mac mini
> on her desk. Takes very little space, looks very tidy. She loves it. I
> have one next to my stereo equipment and uses it as a htpc. I couldn't
> even fit that HP in there.
Most people don't live on a submarine, and so they don't need a computer as
small as the Mac Mini to get it to fit in. If they did, they'd be better
off buying an inexpensive laptop PC than a Mac Mini.
> The entire point f the Mac mini is its size.
IOW, there is no point to it.
>> > My Mac mini decodes 720p HD video in real time, which is all the CPU
>> > power I need from it really.
>>
>> What difference is that supposed to make to anybody else?
>
> Huh? I'm betting it does the same difference as you advocating this HP
> for other merits. What's the difference?
The difference is I got a computer that outmatched the Mac Tower available
at the time, for the price of a Mac Mini. My HP does anything a Mac Mini
can do, plus everything a workstation can do, for the price of a Mac Mini.
>> Do you think everybody can afford to fill their house with Apple's
>> toys?
>
> Afford? The Mac mini is $599 and this HP is $540. Not a very huge
> difference.
The Mac Mini is a toy. The HP is a real computer. That's a HUGE
difference.
-hh
>
> Most people don't live on a submarine...
Ain't never seen a college dorm room, eh?
> > Huh? I'm betting it does the same difference as you advocating this HP
> > for other merits. What's the difference?
>
> The difference is I got a computer that outmatched the Mac Tower available
> at the time, for the price of a Mac Mini. My HP does anything a Mac Mini
> can do, plus everything a workstation can do, for the price of a Mac Mini.
"Everything", except to simply occupy less space.
-hh
Snit
>
> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> wrote in message
> news:mr-FAAD4E.07...@News.Individual.NET...
>> In article <1186088950.6...@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>> Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 2, 3:04 pm, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
>>>> In article <1186073577.231873.164...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>
>>>> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>> ... to buy a Mac Mini when you could buy this instead:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=02...
>>>>
>>>> It's a bit too big... The point of the Mac *mini* is its size, not its
>>>> specs.
>>>
>>> You may now explain why the size of a computer is more important than
>>> what it does.
>>
>> Placement, really. Space conservation. My fathers wife has a Mac mini
>> on her desk. Takes very little space, looks very tidy. She loves it. I
>> have one next to my stereo equipment and uses it as a htpc. I couldn't
>> even fit that HP in there.
>
> Most people don't live on a submarine, and so they don't need a computer as
> small as the Mac Mini to get it to fit in.
Do you really think the only people who value smaller computers are those
who live in submarines?
...
>> The entire point f the Mac mini is its size.
>
> IOW, there is no point to it.
If that size is of no value to you, Edwin, then do not buy a computer
focused on its small size... and let others who do value that be.
>>>> My Mac mini decodes 720p HD video in real time, which is all the CPU
>>>> power I need from it really.
>>>
>>> What difference is that supposed to make to anybody else?
>>
>> Huh? I'm betting it does the same difference as you advocating this HP
>> for other merits. What's the difference?
>
> The difference is I got a computer that outmatched the Mac Tower available
> at the time, for the price of a Mac Mini. My HP does anything a Mac Mini
> can do, plus everything a workstation can do, for the price of a Mac Mini.
It has benefits... as does the Mac mini. You preferred one... others
disagree. So?
Foe many the fact the mini runs OS X makes more suitable than the HP... for
others it is the size... etc.
>
>>> Do you think everybody can afford to fill their house with Apple's
>>> toys?
>>
>> Afford? The Mac mini is $599 and this HP is $540. Not a very huge
>> difference.
>
> The Mac Mini is a toy. The HP is a real computer. That's a HUGE
> difference.
Why do you think the Mac mini is a toy? Heck, the HP is likely the better
game machine - making it more of a toy. :)
--
Never stand between a dog and the hydrant. - John Peers
ed
news:1186953745....@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> "Edwin" <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>> Most people don't live on a submarine...
>
> Ain't never seen a college dorm room, eh?
when space really *is* a concern for a concern, edwin's actually right here-
a laptop makes a lot more sense. takes less space than a mini (plus monitor
and keyboard), and you can pack it away. *and* you *can* get a very
competitive windows laptop for a price similar to that of a mini.
<snip>
-hh
> "-hh" <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
> > Ain't never seen a college dorm room, eh?
>
> when space really *is* a concern for a concern, edwin's actually right here-
> a laptop makes a lot more sense. takes less space than a mini (plus monitor
> and keyboard), and you can pack it away. *and* you *can* get a very
> competitive windows laptop for a price similar to that of a mini.
It depends on the situationi & application. Afterall, aren't there
complaints about a bunch of Dell laptops that can't run for long hours
without overheating?
Besides, if you have a laptop & external monitor, its probably not any
smaller, particularly if you add a good keyboard too.
-hh
ed
yeah, if you're worried about space, you don't do that.
Edwin
> "Edwin" <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>> Most people don't live on a submarine...
>
> Ain't never seen a college dorm room, eh?
I sure have, but I've never seen one so small that a desktop computer
wouldn't fit in it.
>
>> > Huh? I'm betting it does the same difference as you advocating this HP
>> > for other merits. What's the difference?
>>
>> The difference is I got a computer that outmatched the Mac Tower
>> available
>> at the time, for the price of a Mac Mini. My HP does anything a Mac
>> Mini
>> can do, plus everything a workstation can do, for the price of a Mac
>> Mini.
>
> "Everything", except to simply occupy less space.
Why would I give up functionality in my computer just for the sake of
occupying less space? My desk, both at work and at home, can easily
accommodate a full sized tower computer.
--
"But SunOS was just a purchased OS. Like Apple,
Sun purchased and [sic] OS and then developed it. No more."
-- Alan "Wrong Again" Baker
Edwin
news:C2E4C927.8B566%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com...
> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> stated in post
> Sa6dnWnWOK9G5SLb...@comcast.com on 8/12/07 2:18 PM:
>
>>
>> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> wrote in message
>> news:mr-FAAD4E.07...@News.Individual.NET...
>>> In article <1186088950.6...@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Edwin <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 2, 3:04 pm, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
>>>>> In article <1186073577.231873.164...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>
>>>>> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>> ... to buy a Mac Mini when you could buy this instead:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=02...
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a bit too big... The point of the Mac *mini* is its size, not its
>>>>> specs.
>>>>
>>>> You may now explain why the size of a computer is more important than
>>>> what it does.
>>>
>>> Placement, really. Space conservation. My fathers wife has a Mac mini
>>> on her desk. Takes very little space, looks very tidy. She loves it. I
>>> have one next to my stereo equipment and uses it as a htpc. I couldn't
>>> even fit that HP in there.
>>
>> Most people don't live on a submarine, and so they don't need a computer
>> as
>> small as the Mac Mini to get it to fit in.
>
> Do you really think the only people who value smaller computers are those
> who live in submarines?
When are you going to give any reason why anybody else would value the size
of the Mac Mini for its size alone, and who wouldn't be better off with a
laptop computer, or a tablet computer?
> ...
>>> The entire point f the Mac mini is its size.
>>
>> IOW, there is no point to it.
>
> If that size is of no value to you, Edwin, then do not buy a computer
> focused on its small size... and let others who do value that be.
Your whining will not get you off the hook for supporting your Mac Mini
advocacy.
>>>>> My Mac mini decodes 720p HD video in real time, which is all the CPU
>>>>> power I need from it really.
>>>>
>>>> What difference is that supposed to make to anybody else?
>>>
>>> Huh? I'm betting it does the same difference as you advocating this HP
>>> for other merits. What's the difference?
>>
>> The difference is I got a computer that outmatched the Mac Tower
>> available
>> at the time, for the price of a Mac Mini. My HP does anything a Mac
>> Mini
>> can do, plus everything a workstation can do, for the price of a Mac
>> Mini.
>
> It has benefits... as does the Mac mini. You preferred one... others
> disagree. So?
So you have yet to prove the Mac Mini has any benefit derived from its size.
> Foe many the fact the mini runs OS X makes more suitable than the HP...
> for
> others it is the size... etc.
Ipse dixit.
>>
>>>> Do you think everybody can afford to fill their house with Apple's
>>>> toys?
>>>
>>> Afford? The Mac mini is $599 and this HP is $540. Not a very huge
>>> difference.
>>
>> The Mac Mini is a toy. The HP is a real computer. That's a HUGE
>> difference.
>
> Why do you think the Mac mini is a toy?
Because it was crippled to achieve its small size.
> Heck, the HP is likely the better
> game machine - making it more of a toy. :)
A "toy" that overmatches a Mac tower.
Snit
> "-hh" <recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:1186953745....@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>> "Edwin" <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Most people don't live on a submarine...
>>>
>> Ain't never seen a college dorm room, eh?
>>
> I sure have, but I've never seen one so small that a desktop computer wouldn't
> fit in it.
>
>>
>>>> Huh? I'm betting it does the same difference as you advocating this HP for
>>>> other merits. What's the difference?
>>>>
>>> The difference is I got a computer that outmatched the Mac Tower available
>>> at the time, for the price of a Mac Mini. My HP does anything a Mac Mini
>>> can do, plus everything a workstation can do, for the price of a Mac Mini.
>>>
>> "Everything", except to simply occupy less space.
>>
> Why would I give up functionality in my computer just for the sake of
> occupying less space? My desk, both at work and at home, can easily
> accommodate a full sized tower computer.
If size is not important to you then do not get a mini. I personally am
getting an iMac - fits my needs much better.
--
One who makes no mistakes, never makes anything.
Edwin
--
"But SunOS was just a purchased OS. Like Apple,
Sun purchased and [sic] OS and then developed it. No more."
-- Alan "Wrong Again" Baker
"Snit" <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
news:C2E4FF66.8B5F1%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com...
You failed to show any reason why anybody would need to have a computer as
small as the Mac Mini.
Sandman
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> > Placement, really. Space conservation. My fathers wife has a Mac mini
> > on her desk. Takes very little space, looks very tidy. She loves it. I
> > have one next to my stereo equipment and uses it as a htpc. I couldn't
> > even fit that HP in there.
>
> Most people don't live on a submarine, and so they don't need a computer as
> small as the Mac Mini to get it to fit in.
Sure, but most people like to conserve space even so, and like it when
things look tidy. No rocket science, really.
> If they did, they'd be better
> off buying an inexpensive laptop PC than a Mac Mini.
A laptop takes more space than a Mac mini.
> > The entire point f the Mac mini is its size.
>
> IOW, there is no point to it.
Your other words are not in relation to my words.
> >> > My Mac mini decodes 720p HD video in real time, which is all the CPU
> >> > power I need from it really.
> >>
> >> What difference is that supposed to make to anybody else?
> >
> > Huh? I'm betting it does the same difference as you advocating this HP
> > for other merits. What's the difference?
>
> The difference is I got a computer that outmatched the Mac Tower available
> at the time, for the price of a Mac Mini. My HP does anything a Mac Mini
> can do, plus everything a workstation can do, for the price of a Mac Mini.
"This HP" was the HP you gave lip service to in this thread, not the
budget system you bought a year ago or so.
> >> Do you think everybody can afford to fill their house with Apple's
> >> toys?
> >
> > Afford? The Mac mini is $599 and this HP is $540. Not a very huge
> > difference.
>
> The Mac Mini is a toy. The HP is a real computer. That's a HUGE
> difference.
Ah, the "Mac is a toy" angle. :-D
--
Sandman[.net]
Sandman
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> >> Why would I give up functionality in my computer just for the sake of
> >> occupying less space? My desk, both at work and at home, can easily
> >> accommodate a full sized tower computer.
> >
> > If size is not important to you then do not get a mini. I personally am
> > getting an iMac - fits my needs much better.
>
> You failed to show any reason why anybody would need to have a computer as
> small as the Mac Mini.
Space conservation. LIke if you want to put it next to your TV, or
have a huge PC connected to your monitor already and just want to add
a Mac mini to switch between.
Or if you have a beautiful Cinema display, the mac mini is a gorgeous
piece next to it. Small and efficient, and very fast.
--
Sandman[.net]
Edwin
> In article <VYednckHIMr9eiLb...@comcast.com>,
> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Why would I give up functionality in my computer just for the sake of
>> >> occupying less space? My desk, both at work and at home, can easily
>> >> accommodate a full sized tower computer.
>> >
>> > If size is not important to you then do not get a mini. I personally
>> > am
>> > getting an iMac - fits my needs much better.
>>
>> You failed to show any reason why anybody would need to have a computer
>> as
>> small as the Mac Mini.
>
> Space conservation. LIke if you want to put it next to your TV,
I don't know anybody who can't fit a regular sized tower PC next to their
TV.
> or
> have a huge PC connected to your monitor already and just want to add
> a Mac mini to switch between.
IOW, you want the Mac Mini for a toy.
> Or if you have a beautiful Cinema display, the mac mini is a gorgeous
> piece next to it. Small and efficient, and very fast.
IOW, style without substance. Form without function.
You failed to prove your case, and nobody is surprised.
Edwin
> In article <Sa6dnWnWOK9G5SLb...@comcast.com>,
> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> > Placement, really. Space conservation. My fathers wife has a Mac mini
>> > on her desk. Takes very little space, looks very tidy. She loves it. I
>> > have one next to my stereo equipment and uses it as a htpc. I couldn't
>> > even fit that HP in there.
>>
>> Most people don't live on a submarine, and so they don't need a computer
>> as
>> small as the Mac Mini to get it to fit in.
>
> Sure, but most people like to conserve space even so, and like it when
> things look tidy. No rocket science, really.
There's nothing untidy about a regular tower computer. The Mac Mini, as a
collection of small boxes tied together by cables, is an untidy throwback to
1970s style computing.
>> If they did, they'd be better
>> off buying an inexpensive laptop PC than a Mac Mini.
>
> A laptop takes more space than a Mac mini.
IOW you have a way to operate the Mac Mini without a keyboard or a monitor?
>> > The entire point f the Mac mini is its size.
>>
>> IOW, there is no point to it.
>
> Your other words are not in relation to my words.
>
>> >> > My Mac mini decodes 720p HD video in real time, which is all the CPU
>> >> > power I need from it really.
>> >>
>> >> What difference is that supposed to make to anybody else?
>> >
>> > Huh? I'm betting it does the same difference as you advocating this HP
>> > for other merits. What's the difference?
>>
>> The difference is I got a computer that outmatched the Mac Tower
>> available
>> at the time, for the price of a Mac Mini. My HP does anything a Mac
>> Mini
>> can do, plus everything a workstation can do, for the price of a Mac
>> Mini.
>
> "This HP" was the HP you gave lip service to in this thread, not the
> budget system you bought a year ago or so.
The HP system in this thread has the same specs as my system I bought over a
year ago.
And the "budget system" I bought was better than the $2,000 tower Apple was
selling at the time.
>> >> Do you think everybody can afford to fill their house with Apple's
>> >> toys?
>> >
>> > Afford? The Mac mini is $599 and this HP is $540. Not a very huge
>> > difference.
>>
>> The Mac Mini is a toy. The HP is a real computer. That's a HUGE
>> difference.
>
> Ah, the "Mac is a toy" angle. :-D
Ah, the no real counter argument Mac Advocate response.
Sandman
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> > Space conservation. LIke if you want to put it next to your TV,
>
> I don't know anybody who can't fit a regular sized tower PC next to their
> TV.
I don't know anybody that WANT to fit a regular sized PC next to their
TV, even if they could physically fit one there.
> > or
> > have a huge PC connected to your monitor already and just want to add
> > a Mac mini to switch between.
>
> IOW, you want the Mac Mini for a toy.
Your other words aren't relevant to my words.
> > Or if you have a beautiful Cinema display, the mac mini is a gorgeous
> > piece next to it. Small and efficient, and very fast.
>
> IOW, style without substance. Form without function.
I know "style" is unimportant to you. But combine it with a fast
processor such as in the Mac mini and you've got a very good product.
I don't expect you to buy one, though.
> You failed to prove your case, and nobody is surprised.
Well, I think I proved it, anyway. :)
--
Sandman[.net]
Sandman
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> > Sure, but most people like to conserve space even so, and like it when
> > things look tidy. No rocket science, really.
>
> There's nothing untidy about a regular tower computer.
Except, of course, that it's huge and takes a lot of space.
> The Mac Mini, as a
> collection of small boxes tied together by cables, is an untidy throwback to
> 1970s style computing.
Huh? The Mac mini is not a collection of small boxes tied together.
> >> If they did, they'd be better
> >> off buying an inexpensive laptop PC than a Mac Mini.
> >
> > A laptop takes more space than a Mac mini.
>
> IOW you have a way to operate the Mac Mini without a keyboard or a monitor?
We were talking about htpc - are you suggesting that you have your
laptop next to your TV and in order to operate it you have to walk up
to it and open its lid?
> > "This HP" was the HP you gave lip service to in this thread, not the
> > budget system you bought a year ago or so.
>
> The HP system in this thread has the same specs as my system I bought over a
> year ago.
Apart, of course, that you have an even slower processor.
> And the "budget system" I bought was better than the $2,000 tower Apple was
> selling at the time.
I know you think so. :)
--
Sandman[.net]
Edwin
"ed" <ne...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote in message
news:%QLvi.311$Qd6...@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
Thank you, Ed.
There is a reason 50% of computer users either have laptops, or have a form
factor unmatched by Apple, the Desknote computer. It's the space issue,
which is poorly addressed by the collection of small boxes that make up the
Mac Mini, which is a throwback to 1970s style computers.
Sandman
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> "ed" <ne...@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote in message
> news:%QLvi.311$Qd6...@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> > "-hh" <recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> > news:1186953745....@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> >> "Edwin" <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Most people don't live on a submarine...
> >>
> >> Ain't never seen a college dorm room, eh?
> >
> > when space really *is* a concern for a concern, edwin's actually right
> > here- a laptop makes a lot more sense. takes less space than a mini (plus
> > monitor and keyboard), and you can pack it away. *and* you *can* get a
> > very competitive windows laptop for a price similar to that of a mini.
> >
> > <snip>
>
> Thank you, Ed.
>
> There is a reason 50% of computer users either have laptops, or have a form
> factor unmatched by Apple, the Desknote computer. It's the space issue,
> which is poorly addressed by the collection of small boxes that make up the
> Mac Mini, which is a throwback to 1970s style computers.
The Mac mini isn't a collection of small boxes, fortunately.
--
Sandman[.net]
Edwin
>
>> On Aug 2, 1:25 pm, Jim <j...@NOwwa.net> wrote:
>>> In article <1186075442.353869.180...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>
>>> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>> On Aug 2, 12:03 pm, -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>> Here's another 'small form factor' PC:
>>>
>>>>> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=02...
>>>
>>>>> 4.21" x 13.89" x 10.87" (635 cubic inches)
>>>>> 19.67 lbs.
>>>
>>>>> Mac mini benchmark: (84.5 cubic inches)
>>>
>>>>> 2" x 6.5" x 6.5"
>>>>> 2.9 pounds
>>>
>>>> What point do you imagine you're making?
>>>
>>> That yours was far bigger than his, which in this case is a detriment.
>>
>> Explain why this is "detriment."
>
> The same reason other "better" specs are.
The other specs are relevant to using the computer to perform tasks. The
size of the computer case is not.
> If you need more speed, you look for a computer with more speed.
>
> If you need a computer that runs OS X, you look for a computer that runs
> OS
> X.
Over 90% of the market doesn't look for a computer that runs Mac OS X.
> If you need a computer that will be small and unobtrusive, you look for a
> computer that will be small and unobtrusive.
You have yet to give any reason why one would need such a computer, and if
they did, why they wouldn't buy a laptop computer instead.
> There are many examples where each of those may be a requirement.
Then why haven't you given any examples?
>> Then tell how to get all the stuff from the PC into a Mac Mini.
>>
>
> There are times the PC is a better option... and times the mini is. Not
> hard to understand.
All that's hard to understand is why you think the Mini's size is important,
even though you can give no good reason why a non-portable computer has to
be that small, to the sacrifice of things bigger desktop computers have.
Edwin
You're lying again, unfortunately.
The Mac Mini is one box. Its power brick is a second box. Its keyboard
is a third box. Its monitor is a fourth box. Its microphone input is a
fifth box. Its TV tuner is a sixth box. A USB hub is a seventh box. We
could go on and on.
Jim Lee Jr.
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> Over 90% of the market doesn't look for a computer that runs Mac OS X.
You have that prick Bill Gates and the hardware and software vendors who
wussed out to Micro$lut to thank for that.
--
Posted from my 1999 Apple G4 Sawtooth
A 450 MHz G4 running OS X 10.4.8
-hh
> "-hh" <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ain't never seen a college dorm room, eh?
>
> I sure have, but I've never seen one so small that a desktop computer
> wouldn't fit in it.
"Seen the dorm room", but obviously have not tried to live in one,
then :-)
I bought a surplus dorm desk when I moved out into my own apartment.
Long story short, I still have it because its a decent printer
stand.
Its a mere 34" wide by 20" deep, with a narrow 22" wide footwell. Add
a 7" wide tower in the footwell and you only have 15" worth of legroom
space. Try that on for size for a week.
> Why would I give up functionality in my computer just for the sake of
> occupying less space? My desk, both at work and at home, can easily
> accommodate a full sized tower computer.
Well, if you've already squeezed down your living space into a 200
square foot dorm room ...that you're sharing that with your dorm
roommate, BTW ... it all probably means that you're sleeping in a
bunkbed or hand-built loft :-)
-hh
Edwin
> In article <gPOdnUY0yIBmjl3b...@comcast.com>,
> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> > Space conservation. LIke if you want to put it next to your TV,
>>
>> I don't know anybody who can't fit a regular sized tower PC next to their
>> TV.
>
> I don't know anybody that WANT to fit a regular sized PC next to their
> TV, even if they could physically fit one there.
So you only know strange people who live in tiny houses.
>> > or
>> > have a huge PC connected to your monitor already and just want to add
>> > a Mac mini to switch between.
>>
>> IOW, you want the Mac Mini for a toy.
>
> Your other words aren't relevant to my words.
You're lying again.
>> > Or if you have a beautiful Cinema display, the mac mini is a gorgeous
>> > piece next to it. Small and efficient, and very fast.
>>
>> IOW, style without substance. Form without function.
>
> I know "style" is unimportant to you.
I never said any such thing. But I did say I wouldn't sacrifice
functionality for 'style.'
> But combine it with a fast
> processor such as in the Mac mini and you've got a very good product.
The limited use you put yours to belies your claims above.
> I don't expect you to buy one, though.
Well, duh!
>> You failed to prove your case, and nobody is surprised.
>
> Well, I think I proved it, anyway. :)
Any resemblance between reality and your opinions is purely coincidental.
Edwin
> In article <ucGdnSFgyPfpiF3b...@comcast.com>,
> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> > Sure, but most people like to conserve space even so, and like it when
>> > things look tidy. No rocket science, really.
>>
>> There's nothing untidy about a regular tower computer.
>
> Except, of course, that it's huge and takes a lot of space.
My tower is 7.2" x 15" x 17". If that's "huge" to you, or a "lot of
space," there must be something broken inside your head.
>> The Mac Mini, as a
>> collection of small boxes tied together by cables, is an untidy throwback
>> to
>> 1970s style computing.
>
> Huh? The Mac mini is not a collection of small boxes tied together.
Yes it is.
>> >> If they did, they'd be better
>> >> off buying an inexpensive laptop PC than a Mac Mini.
>> >
>> > A laptop takes more space than a Mac mini.
>>
>> IOW you have a way to operate the Mac Mini without a keyboard or a
>> monitor?
>
> We were talking about htpc -
The discussion was not limited to that.
> are you suggesting that you have your
> laptop next to your TV and in order to operate it you have to walk up
> to it and open its lid?
You're really behind the times on what PC laptops can do. They can run
their DVDs into an external monitor without even booting up the computer, or
opening the lid.
>> > "This HP" was the HP you gave lip service to in this thread, not the
>> > budget system you bought a year ago or so.
>>
>> The HP system in this thread has the same specs as my system I bought
>> over a
>> year ago.
>
> Apart, of course, that you have an even slower processor.
You're just proving me correct.
>> And the "budget system" I bought was better than the $2,000 tower Apple
>> was
>> selling at the time.
>
> I know you think so. :)
And the specs prove me correct.
-hh
> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
> >
> > Space conservation. LIke if you want to put it next to your TV,
>
> I don't know anybody who can't fit a regular sized tower PC next to their
> TV.
You do now:
http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2007/sony25.jpg
You failed to prove your case, and nobody is surprised.
FYI, that's only a 25" TV. There will be zero room left on the sides
when it is superceded by a 37" LCD HDTV later this year, and as you
can see there's no room under or to the sides for a classical 'big
box' tower PC.
-hh
Edwin
> "Edwin" <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Space conservation. LIke if you want to put it next to your TV,
>>
>> I don't know anybody who can't fit a regular sized tower PC next to their
>> TV.
>
> You do now:
>
> http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2007/sony25.jpg
I see lots of room in that picture to fit in a regular sized computer, even
though your narrow focus tried to hide that fact.
> You failed to prove your case, and nobody is surprised.
You're projecting again.
> FYI, that's only a 25" TV. There will be zero room left on the sides
> when it is superceded by a 37" LCD HDTV later this year, and as you
> can see there's no room under or to the sides for a classical 'big
> box' tower PC.
I see nothing of the kind.
Edwin
> "Edwin" <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>> "-hh" <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ain't never seen a college dorm room, eh?
>>
>> I sure have, but I've never seen one so small that a desktop computer
>> wouldn't fit in it.
>
> "Seen the dorm room", but obviously have not tried to live in one,
> then :-)
You don't seem to be content to be wrong only once.
> I bought a surplus dorm desk when I moved out into my own apartment.
> Long story short, I still have it because its a decent printer
> stand.
>
> Its a mere 34" wide by 20" deep, with a narrow 22" wide footwell. Add
> a 7" wide tower in the footwell and you only have 15" worth of legroom
> space. Try that on for size for a week.
Try putting the computer to the outside of the desk instead of in the
footwell.
If I had a desk that small, I'd want a laptop computer I could put away in a
drawer, to use the desk for other things while I wasn't using the computer.
>
>> Why would I give up functionality in my computer just for the sake of
>> occupying less space? My desk, both at work and at home, can easily
>> accommodate a full sized tower computer.
>
> Well, if you've already squeezed down your living space into a 200
> square foot dorm room ...that you're sharing that with your dorm
> roommate, BTW ... it all probably means that you're sleeping in a
> bunkbed or hand-built loft :-)
Which means I'd have a laptop computer that I could use while sitting in my
bunk, or in the study hall, or in the library, or lots of other places where
I couldn't use a Mac Mini.
-hh
> >> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
>
> >> > Space conservation. LIke if you want to put it next to your TV,
>
> >> I don't know anybody who can't fit a regular sized tower PC next to their
> >> TV.
>
> > You do now:
>
> >http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2007/sony25.jpg
>
> I see lots of room in that picture to fit in a regular sized computer,
> even though your narrow focus tried to hide that fact.
There's simply no room "next to your TV" as was stipulated, regardless
of what you try to claim.
If you proposes shoving the TV over to one side, but in addition to
this being asthetically ugly, you've overlooked that it is on a
rotating turntable which is bolted down and not easily moved.
As such, you need to work within the gap that's there (even though it
is going to be eliminated when I get the 37"), which is only 5 7/8" on
each side.
Allowing some fingertip clearances, you're talking about finding a PC
tower that's less than 5.5" wide. That excludes your HP series, which
is 6.89" wide.
Since there's other stuff in this room to both sides of the wall unit
that's also a tight squeeze, your only available solution (barring any
degree of praticality) would be to put the PC on long video/etc
extension cords and park it out in the hallway when it will get
tripped over. Afterall, you can't put it inside the glass cases,
since they lack ventillation for cooling.
-hh
Sandman
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> > Except, of course, that it's huge and takes a lot of space.
>
> My tower is 7.2" x 15" x 17". If that's "huge" to you, or a "lot of
> space," there must be something broken inside your head.
The Mac mini is 84 cubic inches, yours is 1836 cubic inches. 21 times
bigger. That is huge indeed.
> > Huh? The Mac mini is not a collection of small boxes tied together.
>
> Yes it is.
Nopes.
> >> IOW you have a way to operate the Mac Mini without a keyboard or a
> >> monitor?
> >
> > We were talking about htpc -
>
> The discussion was not limited to that.
But it was what we talked about and what my comment was referring to.
> > are you suggesting that you have your
> > laptop next to your TV and in order to operate it you have to walk up
> > to it and open its lid?
>
> You're really behind the times on what PC laptops can do. They can run
> their DVDs into an external monitor without even booting up the computer, or
> opening the lid.
So how do you operate its keyboard, the very thing I was responding to?
>>> The HP system in this thread has the same specs as my system I
>>> bought over a year ago.
> >
> > Apart, of course, that you have an even slower processor.
>
> You're just proving me correct.
That budget systems are slow?
> >> And the "budget system" I bought was better than the $2,000 tower Apple
> >> was
> >> selling at the time.
> >
> > I know you think so. :)
>
> And the specs prove me correct.
I know you think so :)
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Sandman
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> > I don't know anybody that WANT to fit a regular sized PC next to their
> > TV, even if they could physically fit one there.
>
> So you only know strange people who live in tiny houses.
No, oddly enough I know people that have a little taste in what kind
of things they rather have amongst their living room furnitures.
> >> IOW, style without substance. Form without function.
> >
> > I know "style" is unimportant to you.
>
> I never said any such thing. But I did say I wouldn't sacrifice
> functionality for 'style.'
And with Mac mini you get both.
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Sandman
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
Hahaha!
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Snit
>
> "Snit" <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
> news:C2D7FD7F.8A019%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com...
>> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> stated in post
>> 1186079958.2...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com on 8/2/07 11:39 AM:
>>
>>> On Aug 2, 1:25 pm, Jim <j...@NOwwa.net> wrote:
>>>> In article <1186075442.353869.180...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>
>>>> Edwin <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 2, 12:03 pm, -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Here's another 'small form factor' PC:
>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=02...
>>>>
>>>>>> 4.21" x 13.89" x 10.87" (635 cubic inches)
>>>>>> 19.67 lbs.
>>>>
>>>>>> Mac mini benchmark: (84.5 cubic inches)
>>>>
>>>>>> 2" x 6.5" x 6.5"
>>>>>> 2.9 pounds
>>>>
>>>>> What point do you imagine you're making?
>>>>
>>>> That yours was far bigger than his, which in this case is a detriment.
>>>
>>> Explain why this is "detriment."
>>
>> The same reason other "better" specs are.
>>
> The other specs are relevant to using the computer to perform tasks. The
> size of the computer case is not.
The size may be important for a users needs... or wants.
>> If you need more speed, you look for a computer with more speed.
>>
>> If you need a computer that runs OS X, you look for a computer that runs OS
>> X.
>>
> Over 90% of the market doesn't look for a computer that runs Mac OS X.
Correct... but irrelevant to my point.
>> If you need a computer that will be small and unobtrusive, you look for a
>> computer that will be small and unobtrusive.
>>
> You have yet to give any reason why one would need such a computer, and if
> they did, why they wouldn't buy a laptop computer instead.
Sandman already provided you with some reasons. Here they are, quoted:
Space conservation. LIke if you want to put it next to
your TV, or have a huge PC connected to your monitor
already and just want to add a Mac mini to switch between.
Or if you have a beautiful Cinema display, the mac mini is
a gorgeous piece next to it. Small and efficient, and very
fast.
This is not to say I would not like a non-size-focused low end headless
Mac...
>> There are many examples where each of those may be a requirement.
>>
> Then why haven't you given any examples?
No need... others already have.
>>> Then tell how to get all the stuff from the PC into a Mac Mini.
>>
>> There are times the PC is a better option... and times the mini is. Not hard
>> to understand.
>>
> All that's hard to understand is why you think the Mini's size is important,
I accept you find that hard to understand. No argument there!
> even though you can give no good reason why a non-portable computer has to be
> that small, to the sacrifice of things bigger desktop computers have.
Incorrect.
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Snit
>
> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> wrote in message
> news:mr-7704A8.08...@News.Individual.NET...
>> In article <VYednckHIMr9eiLb...@comcast.com>,
>> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Why would I give up functionality in my computer just for the sake of
>>>>> occupying less space? My desk, both at work and at home, can easily
>>>>> accommodate a full sized tower computer.
>>>>
>>>> If size is not important to you then do not get a mini. I personally
>>>> am
>>>> getting an iMac - fits my needs much better.
>>>
>>> You failed to show any reason why anybody would need to have a computer
>>> as
>>> small as the Mac Mini.
>>
>> Space conservation. LIke if you want to put it next to your TV,
>
> I don't know anybody who can't fit a regular sized tower PC next to their
> TV.
Me. I could not. My entertainment center would not fit it well - and if I
could squeeze it in then it would be a hazard for children who might pull it
onto themselves.
--
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everyone. -- Bill Cosby
Snit
>
> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> wrote in message
> news:mr-BE5455.10...@News.Individual.NET...
>> In article <gPOdnUY0yIBmjl3b...@comcast.com>,
>> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Space conservation. LIke if you want to put it next to your TV,
>>>
>>> I don't know anybody who can't fit a regular sized tower PC next to their
>>> TV.
>>
>> I don't know anybody that WANT to fit a regular sized PC next to their
>> TV, even if they could physically fit one there.
>
> So you only know strange people who live in tiny houses.
Do you, Edwin, want to have a full sized PC next to your TV? Do you have
the room for one?
--
"Innovation is not about saying yes to everything. It's about saying NO to
all but the most crucial features." -- Steve Jobs
Snit
>
> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> wrote in message
> news:mr-D85DCB.10...@News.Individual.NET...
>> In article <ucGdnSFgyPfpiF3b...@comcast.com>,
>> "Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Sure, but most people like to conserve space even so, and like it when
>>>> things look tidy. No rocket science, really.
>>>
>>> There's nothing untidy about a regular tower computer.
>>
>> Except, of course, that it's huge and takes a lot of space.
>
> My tower is 7.2" x 15" x 17". If that's "huge" to you, or a "lot of
> space," there must be something broken inside your head.
When compared with the Mac mini that is *huge*. When compared to a 747 it
is tiny. All a matter of perspective, eh? :)
--
"If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."
- Anatole France
Snit
>
> "-hh" <recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:1187001057....@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> "Edwin" <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
>>> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Space conservation. LIke if you want to put it next to your TV,
>>>
>>> I don't know anybody who can't fit a regular sized tower PC next to their
>>> TV.
>>
>> You do now:
>>
>> http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2007/sony25.jpg
>
> I see lots of room in that picture to fit in a regular sized computer, even
> though your narrow focus tried to hide that fact.
How about these pics of entertainment centers:
<http://www.heplerdesigns.com/images/entertainment_center.GIF>
Maybe on the side somewhere?
<http://www.furnitureontheweb.com/images/Furniture/3399a.jpg>
Hmm... the sides have things in them... so... where?
<http://www.thefurniture.com/store/images/Creative%20Furniture/Wall%20Unit/A
lba/Alba.jpg>
Maybe squish it on the side?
<http://www.gowfb.com/catalog/images/FDPictures0705/937-Scandia-entertainmen
t-center-furniture.gif>
Have to move shelves around or something...
<http://www.sauder.com/images/product/Normal/Entertainment_Center_8467_1.jpg
>
Move the stereo?
<http://www.sauder.com/images/product/Normal/Entertainment_Center_8159-103_1
.jpg>
Um... next to it on the floor?
<http://www.furnitureplans.com/product_images/medium/1500_medium.jpg>
Again... on the floor?
<http://www.surroundsolutions.com/contactcommerce/images/items/Omni-Entertai
nment--m.jpg>
And again... floor...
So, Edwin, go to Google and do an image search for "entertainment center".
See how many you can find that have space set up for a full sized computer.
Can you find any?
--
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing. - Edmund Burke
Sandman
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> > I bought a surplus dorm desk when I moved out into my own apartment.
> > Long story short, I still have it because its a decent printer
> > stand.
> >
> > Its a mere 34" wide by 20" deep, with a narrow 22" wide footwell. Add
> > a 7" wide tower in the footwell and you only have 15" worth of legroom
> > space. Try that on for size for a week.
>
> Try putting the computer to the outside of the desk instead of in the
> footwell.
>
> If I had a desk that small, I'd want a laptop computer I could put away in a
> drawer, to use the desk for other things while I wasn't using the computer.
But this isn't about laptops, it's about you saying that a desktop
isn't too big.
I think the Mac Pro is too big on the floor under my desk in my
office, and I have a huge desk.
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Sandman
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> "-hh" <recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:1187001057....@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > "Edwin" <thorn...@juno.com> wrote:
> >> "Sandman" <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Space conservation. LIke if you want to put it next to your TV,
> >>
> >> I don't know anybody who can't fit a regular sized tower PC next to their
> >> TV.
> >
> > You do now:
> >
> > http://www.huntzinger.com/photo/2007/sony25.jpg
>
> I see lots of room in that picture to fit in a regular sized computer, even
> though your narrow focus tried to hide that fact.
Just not next to the TV. Putting it on the floor in front of the TV
really isn't an option.
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B'ichela
> There's nothing untidy about a regular tower computer. The Mac Mini, as a
> collection of small boxes tied together by cables, is an untidy throwback to
> 1970s style computing.
components. The advantage of the Mac Mini or even my Imac G3 is you
can easily swap external items for new items. No need for a
screwdriver just to change your external CD-RW/DVD drive. just unplug
the firewire cable and plug one one in! Ditto with replacing a
Cassette deck on a Stereo system with a Mini-Disk recorder.
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B'ichela
Tim Murray
>> You're really behind the times on what PC laptops can do. They can run
>> their DVDs into an external monitor without even booting up the computer,
>> or opening the lid.
>
> So how do you operate its keyboard, the very thing I was responding to?
Edwin is talking about some models that have external controls and will play
a DVD without otherwise powering up.
Sandman
Tim Murray <no-...@thankyou.com> wrote:
I know about that, and that wasn't even what I was talking about, so I
tried to get him back on track :)
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Edwin
"B'ichela" <mda...@pinkrose.dhis.org> wrote in message
news:JMq58...@pinkrose.net.dhis.org...
> In article <ucGdnSFgyPfpiF3b...@comcast.com>, Edwin wrote:
>> There's nothing untidy about a regular tower computer. The Mac Mini, as
>> a
>> collection of small boxes tied together by cables, is an untidy throwback
>> to
>> 1970s style computing.
> That isn't nesisarily bad. After all many people buy Stereo
> components. The advantage of the Mac Mini or even my Imac G3 is you
> can easily swap external items for new items. No need for a
> screwdriver just to change your external CD-RW/DVD drive. just unplug
> the firewire cable and plug one one in! Ditto with replacing a
> Cassette deck on a Stereo system with a Mini-Disk recorder.
Many PC cases require no tools to open or to exchange internal components.
--
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the iPhone, and it's only been 40 days! WOW!" -- Oxford
Mike
"Edwin" <thor...@juno.com> wrote:
> "B'ichela" <mda...@pinkrose.dhis.org> wrote in message
> news:JMq58...@pinkrose.net.dhis.org...
> > In article <ucGdnSFgyPfpiF3b...@comcast.com>, Edwin wrote:
> >> There's nothing untidy about a regular tower computer. The Mac Mini, as
> >> a
> >> collection of small boxes tied together by cables, is an untidy throwback
> >> to
> >> 1970s style computing.
> > That isn't nesisarily bad. After all many people buy Stereo
> > components. The advantage of the Mac Mini or even my Imac G3 is you
> > can easily swap external items for new items. No need for a
> > screwdriver just to change your external CD-RW/DVD drive. just unplug
> > the firewire cable and plug one one in! Ditto with replacing a
> > Cassette deck on a Stereo system with a Mini-Disk recorder.
>
> Many PC cases require no tools to open or to exchange internal components.
Or slice up hands either with their crude finish...
--
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Edwin
"Mike" <mi...@nononccfaba.org> wrote in message
news:mike-D4ADC7.1...@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
The cases that don't require tools to open or change parts don't have a
"crude finish" that "slice up hands." Even cheap cases I've bought for $40
or less had all their edges rolled over and smoothed. You're just
repeating B.S. you've seen other Maccies spew.