Apple Ad debate
Snit
Quote in question (slowed down): <http://snipurl.com/Slow_Quote>
"no no do not be a hero, ***LAST YEAR*** there are 114,000 known
viruses for PCs." [emphasis mine, poor grammar Apple's]
1) Wally dishonestly "quoted" the Apple commercial (while blaming others
for doing so). He dishonestly denied it state "last year" and
"quoted" it as:
"no no do not be a hero, actually there are 114,000 known
viruses for PC's.........".
In his doing so, he used poor grammar (note the "PC's"). This is
relevant based on #2:
2) Wally belittled me for honestly quoting the ad's poor grammar.
"Really Snit that is stupid even for you! But never let it be
said that I would not lend you a helping hand try this..
'Last year there were................'"
Wally further called me ignorant and stupid based on my being honest
and quoting the ad correctly.
3) When #2 was pointed out, Wally lied and said my honestly quoting the
ad was a form of "support" and "agreement" for its poor grammar.
Wally is confusing the concepts of supporting telling the truth (as
I did and he failed to do) with supporting the ads use of improper
grammar (which I do not).
4) Wally played these games, no doubt, to obfuscate the fact that he
dishonestly "quoted" Apple by claiming the ad did not use the phrase
"last year". This whole grammar side issue is irrelevant to Wally's
initial lie, but he is trying mighty hard to obfuscate it.
Honestly quoting someone is not synonymous with agreeing with their message
nor with supporting the use of improper grammar.
How much trolling will Wally do over the above facts?
--
€ Dreamweaver, being the #1 pro web design tool, is used by many pros
€ Different viruses are still different even if in the same "family"
€ OS X users are at far less risk of malware then are XP users
Sandman
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> <snip Snit Circus>
Michael Objective Troll Criteria Summary
----------------------------------------------------------------------
2: Antagonizing threads
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2. Antagonizing threads
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Remember, a troll needs attention to his trolling, so whenever he is
in a lengthy thread arguing only with this one poster, the troll is
likely to break out of that thread and start another thread that will
be one way to evade the first thread and also draw more attention from
more people. An example of this is this thread [1] where Michael
creates a completely new thread which is totally off topic and an
off-spring of a length discussion he's had with Steve and Elizabot.
1:<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ba8f510705b
642d3>
--
Sandman[.net]
Wally
"Snit" <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
LOL!
--
"Would eating a banana or sniffing a flower make it all go away?" -Snit
Snit
C0CDC3A0.C1D2%wa...@wally.world.net on 7/2/06 3:40 AM:
> On 2/7/06 4:57 PM, in article C0CCD88A.539C4%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID,
> "Snit" <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
>
> LOL!
Funny how you run from the facts:
How much trolling will Wally do over these facts?
Snit
mr-AD200E.11...@individual.net on 7/2/06 2:17 AM:
> In article <C0CCD88A.539C4%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
> Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> <snip Snit Circus>
Gee, why did you snip so much of my post? Oh wait! You already answered:
"I think it's the right move to snip out all the facts you can't face."
- Sandman
You did this also to these "facts you can't face":
<http://snurl.com/Web_Design_Facts>
--
€ Some people do use the term "screen name" in relation to IRC
€ Teaching is a "real job"
€ The tilde in an OS X path does *not* mean "the hard drive only"
Wally
"Snit" <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
Why do you feel the need to have multiple threads with the same content
Snit?
imout...@mac.com
Requiem, Op. 45
Snit wrote:
> The ad in question: <http://snipurl.com/viruswhatvirus>
> Quote in question (slowed down): <http://snipurl.com/Slow_Quote>
> "no no do not be a hero, ***LAST YEAR*** there are 114,000 known
> viruses for PCs." [emphasis mine, poor grammar Apple's]
>
> 1) Wally
1 -
dishonestly
"quoted" the Apple commercial (while blaming others
> for doing so). He
2 -
dishonestly
denied it state "last year" and
> "quoted" it as:
> "no no do not be a hero, actually there are 114,000 known
> viruses for PC's.........".
> In his doing so, he used poor grammar (note the "PC's"). This is
> relevant based on #2:
>
> 2) Wally belittled me for
3 -
honestly
quoting the ad's poor grammar.
> "Really Snit that is stupid even for you! But never let it be
> said that I would not lend you a helping hand try this..
> 'Last year there were................'"
> Wally further called me ignorant and stupid based on my being
4 -
honest
> and quoting the ad correctly.
>
> 3) When #2 was pointed out, Wally lied and said my
5 -
honestly quoting the
> ad was a form of "support" and "agreement" for its poor grammar.
> Wally is confusing the concepts of supporting
6 -
telling the truth (as
> I did and he
7 - failed to do so = lie
failed to do) with supporting the ads use of improper
> grammar (which I do not).
>
> 4) Wally played these games, no doubt, to obfuscate the fact that he
>
8 -
dishonestly "quoted" Apple by claiming the ad did not use the phrase
> "last year". This whole grammar side issue is irrelevant to Wally's
> initial lie, but he is trying mighty hard to obfuscate it.
>
>
9 -
Honestly quoting someone is not synonymous with agreeing with their message
> nor with supporting the use of improper grammar.
>
> How much trolling will Wally do over the above facts?
>
I'll bet you send food back in restaurants, huh? A lot? Be honest, now.
Snit
> On 2/7/06 11:30 PM, in article C0CD34A0.539F7%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID,
> "Snit" <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
>
> Why do you feel the need to have multiple threads with the same content
> Snit?
I am working against your desperate attempts to obfuscate. Let's make a
deal to discuss your lies about the ad only in this thread, OK? Here, I
will list the facts and you can lie about them again:
Snit
45on7.u...@news.alt.net on 7/2/06 11:27 AM:
I do not do so often, though I have rarely. Why do you ask?
NRen2k5
> The ad in question: <http://snipurl.com/viruswhatvirus>
> Quote in question (slowed down): <http://snipurl.com/Slow_Quote>
> "no no do not be a hero, ***LAST YEAR*** there are 114,000 known
> viruses for PCs." [emphasis mine, poor grammar Apple's]
>
> 1) Wally dishonestly "quoted" the Apple commercial (while blaming others
> for doing so). He dishonestly denied it state "last year" and
> "quoted" it as:
> "no no do not be a hero, actually there are 114,000 known
> viruses for PC's.........".
> In his doing so, he used poor grammar (note the "PC's"). This is
> relevant based on #2:
"PC's" (as opposed to "PCs") *is* the proper way to write it.
> 2) Wally belittled me for honestly quoting the ad's poor grammar.
> "Really Snit that is stupid even for you! But never let it be
> said that I would not lend you a helping hand try this..
> 'Last year there were................'"
> Wally further called me ignorant and stupid based on my being honest
> and quoting the ad correctly.
Please cite the posts.
> 3) When #2 was pointed out, Wally lied and said my honestly quoting the
> ad was a form of "support" and "agreement" for its poor grammar.
> Wally is confusing the concepts of supporting telling the truth (as
> I did and he failed to do) with supporting the ads use of improper
> grammar (which I do not).
>
> 4) Wally played these games, no doubt, to obfuscate the fact that he
> dishonestly "quoted" Apple by claiming the ad did not use the phrase
> "last year". This whole grammar side issue is irrelevant to Wally's
> initial lie, but he is trying mighty hard to obfuscate it.
Much like you are trying to obfuscate the facts by creating more
discussion threads on the topic.
> Honestly quoting someone is not synonymous with agreeing with their message
> nor with supporting the use of improper grammar.
>
> How much trolling will Wally do over the above facts?
How much more trolling can *you* do?
NRen2k5
> The ad in question: <http://snipurl.com/viruswhatvirus> Quote in
> question (slowed down): <http://snipurl.com/Slow_Quote> "no no do not
> be a hero, ***LAST YEAR*** there are 114,000 known viruses for PCs."
> [emphasis mine, poor grammar Apple's]
>
> 1) Wally dishonestly "quoted" the Apple commercial (while blaming
> others for doing so). He dishonestly denied it state "last year" and
> "quoted" it as: "no no do not be a hero, actually there are 114,000
> known viruses for PC's.........". In his doing so, he used poor
> grammar (note the "PC's"). This is relevant based on #2:
"PC's" (as opposed to "PCs") *is* the proper way to write it, actually.
Snit
SaVpg.25249$x.12...@weber.videotron.net on 7/2/06 12:32 PM:
> Snit wrote:
>> The ad in question: <http://snipurl.com/viruswhatvirus>
>> Quote in question (slowed down): <http://snipurl.com/Slow_Quote>
>> "no no do not be a hero, ***LAST YEAR*** there are 114,000 known
>> viruses for PCs." [emphasis mine, poor grammar Apple's]
>>
>> 1) Wally dishonestly "quoted" the Apple commercial (while blaming others
>> for doing so). He dishonestly denied it state "last year" and
>> "quoted" it as:
>> "no no do not be a hero, actually there are 114,000 known
>> viruses for PC's.........".
>> In his doing so, he used poor grammar (note the "PC's"). This is
>> relevant based on #2:
>
> "PC's" (as opposed to "PCs") *is* the proper way to write it.
Do you have any support for your view? Here is support for mine:
<http://tranchant.plus.com/notes/apostrophe>
-----
Never use an apostrophe to form a plural. As the Quick Guide suggests, it is
common opinion that words ending in vowels take an apostrophe when plural.
This is wrong.
...
Neither is it correct to use an apostrophe with plural abbreviations, which
do not even use full-stops (periods) between letters these days.
CDs, ICBMs, PCs, VCRs etc.
-----
http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/
-----
Apostrophes are NEVER ever used to denote plurals! Common examples of such
abuse (all seen in real life!) are:
Banana's for sale which of course should read Bananas for sale
Menu's printed to order which should read Menus printed to order
etc.
-----
http://www.articlealley.com/article_7703_50.html
-----
That's the rule. If it's a noun, s makes it plural and
apostrophe-s makes it possessive. It's just that simple.
-----
Either way, though, the whole grammar issue is a side issue Wally spewed in
an effort to obfuscate the fact he dishonestly claimed the Apple ad did
*not* use the phrase "last year". Even after I provided the slowed down
version Wally still sticks to his lie.
>> 2) Wally belittled me for honestly quoting the ad's poor grammar.
>> "Really Snit that is stupid even for you! But never let it be
>> said that I would not lend you a helping hand try this..
>> 'Last year there were................'"
>> Wally further called me ignorant and stupid based on my being honest
>> and quoting the ad correctly.
>
> Please cite the posts.
Gladly (easy to look up the quotes):
<http://snipurl.com/smng>
<http://snipurl.com/smnk>
<http://snipurl.com/smnl>
Etc. Wally repeatedly wants to pretend that the poor grammar in the ad is
something I have no problem with. I discuss this more in #3.
>> 3) When #2 was pointed out, Wally lied and said my honestly quoting the
>> ad was a form of "support" and "agreement" for its poor grammar.
>> Wally is confusing the concepts of supporting telling the truth (as
>> I did and he failed to do) with supporting the ads use of improper
>> grammar (which I do not).
>>
>> 4) Wally played these games, no doubt, to obfuscate the fact that he
>> dishonestly "quoted" Apple by claiming the ad did not use the phrase
>> "last year". This whole grammar side issue is irrelevant to Wally's
>> initial lie, but he is trying mighty hard to obfuscate it.
>
> Much like you are trying to obfuscate the facts by creating more
> discussion threads on the topic.
While I can understand you not wanting to see the same facts posted in
multiple threads, to call such a thing "obfuscation" is absurd; it is the
exact opposite. I am repeatedly presenting the truth - and watching as
Wally runs and obfuscates.
>> Honestly quoting someone is not synonymous with agreeing with their message
>> nor with supporting the use of improper grammar.
>>
>> How much trolling will Wally do over the above facts?
>
> How much more trolling can *you* do?
Do you consider my repeating of clear facts that Wally is running from to be
a form of trolling? I have asked Wally to keep his lies on this issue to
this thread, so I am trying to have it not spread all over CSMA.
Snit
Did you see my reply elsewhere? From it:
--
€ As of Feb 2006 Apple had no wireless Mighty Mouse
€ If A = B then B = A (known as the "symmetric property of equality")
€ One can be guilty of a crime but neither tried nor convicted
Sandman
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> >> Honestly quoting someone is not synonymous with agreeing with their message
> >> nor with supporting the use of improper grammar.
> >>
> >> How much trolling will Wally do over the above facts?
> >
> > How much more trolling can *you* do?
>
> Do you consider my repeating of clear facts that Wally is running from to be
> a form of trolling?
We wouldn't, if that ever happened. As it is, all you do is troll,
lie, obfuscate and snip and run.
> I have asked Wally to keep his lies on this issue to
> this thread, so I am trying to have it not spread all over CSMA.
Ironically, you're the one trying desperately to spread it all over
csma with your antagonizing threads, like the troll you are. You need
the attention, so you create the threads.
--
Sandman[.net]
Snit
No matter how you spin it, Sandman, Wally is being no more honest nor
honorable than you... you are both lying trolls.
What follows is what Wally is running from:
The ad in question: <http://snipurl.com/viruswhatvirus>
Quote in question (slowed down): <http://snipurl.com/Slow_Quote>
"no no do not be a hero, ***LAST YEAR*** there are 114,000 known
viruses for PCs." [emphasis mine, poor grammar Apple's]
1) Wally dishonestly "quoted" the Apple commercial (while blaming others
for doing so). He dishonestly denied it state "last year" and
"quoted" it as:
"no no do not be a hero, actually there are 114,000 known
viruses for PC's.........".
In his doing so, he used poor grammar (note the "PC's"). This is
relevant based on #2:
2) Wally belittled me for honestly quoting the ad's poor grammar.
"Really Snit that is stupid even for you! But never let it be
said that I would not lend you a helping hand try this..
'Last year there were................'"
Wally further called me ignorant and stupid based on my being honest
and quoting the ad correctly.
3) When #2 was pointed out, Wally lied and said my honestly quoting the
ad was a form of "support" and "agreement" for its poor grammar.
Wally is confusing the concepts of supporting telling the truth (as
I did and he failed to do) with supporting the ads use of improper
grammar (which I do not).
4) Wally played these games, no doubt, to obfuscate the fact that he
dishonestly "quoted" Apple by claiming the ad did not use the phrase
"last year". This whole grammar side issue is irrelevant to Wally's
initial lie, but he is trying mighty hard to obfuscate it.
Honestly quoting someone is not synonymous with agreeing with their message
nor with supporting the use of improper grammar.
--
€ Things which are not the same are not "identical"
€ Incest and sex are not identical (only a pervert would disagree)
€ OS X is partially based on BSD (esp. FreeBSD)
Requiem, Op. 45
Sandman
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> >> I have asked Wally to keep his lies on this issue to
> >> this thread, so I am trying to have it not spread all over CSMA.
> >
> > Ironically, you're the one trying desperately to spread it all over
> > csma with your antagonizing threads, like the troll you are. You need
> > the attention, so you create the threads.
>
> No matter how you spin it, Sandman, Wally is being no more honest nor
> honorable than you... you are both lying trolls.
Yet we're not the most hated persons in csma, nor are we the most
killfiled people in csma... That would be... you.
Go figure.
--
Sandman[.net]
Snit
Fair enough.
GreyCloud
> "NRen2k5" <nom...@email.com> stated in post
> OdVpg.25346$x.12...@weber.videotron.net on 7/2/06 12:35 PM:
>
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>
>>>The ad in question: <http://snipurl.com/viruswhatvirus> Quote in
>>>question (slowed down): <http://snipurl.com/Slow_Quote> "no no do not
>>>be a hero, ***LAST YEAR*** there are 114,000 known viruses for PCs."
>>>[emphasis mine, poor grammar Apple's]
>>>
>>>1) Wally dishonestly "quoted" the Apple commercial (while blaming
>>>others for doing so). He dishonestly denied it state "last year" and
>>> "quoted" it as: "no no do not be a hero, actually there are 114,000
>>>known viruses for PC's.........". In his doing so, he used poor
>>>grammar (note the "PC's"). This is relevant based on #2:
>>
>>"PC's" (as opposed to "PCs") *is* the proper way to write it, actually.
>
>
> -----
> Apostrophes are NEVER ever used to denote plurals! Common examples of such
> abuse (all seen in real life!) are:
> Banana's for sale which of course should read Bananas for sale
> Menu's printed to order which should read Menus printed to order
> etc.
Correct. I don't know what he is doing, but PCs is correct.
--
Where are we going?
And why am I in this handbasket?
Snit
Why is it, Sandman, that you resort to personal attacks such as that when
your lies and ignorance are pointed out. Keep in mind that it is your
actions that have you so bent out of shape:
Sandman
1) Sandman often goes off into lying, trolling whacked out modes where he
insists that his lies are not lies, even though they clearly are. He
attributes his own words to others, creates contrived videos and clearly
erroneous "FAQs" and tries to pass them off as truth. He will insist
they are accurate no matter how many times others (and even he) prove
otherwise.
2) Favorite quotes from Sandman:
"I continued to be the biggest troll in the group during tyhe time
period in question. Lying, failing to support my accusations,
obfuscating. You name it, I did it."
"I think it's the right move to snip out all the facts you can't face."
3) Sandman flamed me about my web skills and claimed he knew I was not
teaching a web class, but when asked he was not able to even point to
a single web site I had designed, no less a relevant one I had done
for a customer! He also back pedaled and ran when offered to be
shown conclusive proof of the classes I teach. I looked at his site:
<http://www.sandman.net>, posted info on clear flaws and suggestions
for improvement, and Sandman then changed his site to accommodate my
suggestions, including altering the contrast, the white space, making
both the HTML and CSS validate (both had some pretty severe errors), etc.
Instead of thanking me for my assistance, Sandman lied about having
changed his site *even after* I pointed out that the Google cache proved
he had done so. He went so far as to lie and say I only had suggested
getting his HTML to validate. Sandman offered no explanation for the
"magic" change; in other word he did not admit he lied. In the end,
Sandman trolled me and I, being the honest and honorable person I am,
*still* helped Sandman to better his web skills. For more info on this,
see: <http://snipurl.com/Sandman_Lie2> and
<http://snurl.com/Web_Design_Facts>.
4) Sandman claimed that Dreamweaver, the number one professional web design
tool, with a command of 80% or so of the market, is used only by
beginners. He did this to try to belittle my use of the tool I use and
teach but ended up just showing off his ignorance.
5) When someone else pointed out a problem they were having with technology,
Sandman claimed to "debunk" *their* experience based on a contrived
video he posted. He stated:
Your "experience" is totally debunked with my video clips. I
have proven you utterly wrong, face it and move on.
When Sandman had a problem, though, and someone else did not, Sandman
did not stay consistent. He did not accept his claims had been
"debunked". For more info on this, see: <http://snipurl.com/s6f7>.
Snit
wcOdnXHVNslD3jXZ...@bresnan.com on 7/2/06 3:08 PM:
While I am right about the grammar issue, the whole discussion of grammar is
a side issue Wally is pushing to hide the fact he is lying about Apple's ad.
This is about as clear cut as you can get:
1) Everyone else agrees the Apple ad uses the phrase "last year".
2) The ad, linked above, clearly uses the phrase "last year".
3) I created a slowed down copy of the relevant section - no doubt
it says "last year".
4) Wally has repeatedly denied the as says "last year". Even as of earlier
today, after no less than 20 posts back and forth on the topic where
Wally has been shown to be wrong, he still lied and claimed:
I still don't believe it says "last year" because unlike you I do
not think Apple would use something so grammatically incorrect!
Wally is lying. Period.
Wally
"Snit" <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> "Wally" <wa...@wally.world.net> stated in post
> C0CE18C6.C222%wa...@wally.world.net on 7/2/06 9:43 AM:
>
>> On 2/7/06 11:30 PM, in article C0CD34A0.539F7%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID,
>> "Snit" <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
>>
>> Why do you feel the need to have multiple threads with the same content
>> Snit?
>
> I am working against your desperate attempts to obfuscate. Let's make a
> deal to discuss your lies about the ad only in this thread, OK?
No! the original is fine, Why do you need to get away from the posts in the
original thread Snit? Oh of course...I see!
--
"I have become very cautious in my wording - to the point of including
enough disclaimers as to make the actual point harder to see."-Snit
NRen2k5
I looked it up just now. Strictly speaking, you only use an apostrophe
when the initialism has internal punctuation, for example Ph.D.'s.
Colour me surprised - this means that my college English teacher was wrong!
Buuut, in modern times, it's *acceptable* to use an apostrophe when
pluralizing any initialism.
NRen2k5
GreyCloud
Well, like my old English teacher taught... if you can form a sentence
from it's to it is and works, then it is correct. About the easiest way
I know of.
Snit
>>> http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/
>>> -----
>>> Apostrophes are NEVER ever used to denote plurals! Common examples of
>>> such
>>> abuse (all seen in real life!) are:
>>> Banana's for sale which of course should read Bananas for sale
>>> Menu's printed to order which should read Menus printed to order
>>> etc.
>>
>> Correct. I don't know what he is doing, but PCs is correct.
>
> I looked it up just now. Strictly speaking, you only use an apostrophe
> when the initialism has internal punctuation, for example Ph.D.'s.
I commend you for admitting to your error. Many in CSMA are not willing to
do so.
>
> Colour me surprised - this means that my college English teacher was wrong!
Some say a trained monkey could teach college classes. :)
> Buuut, in modern times, it's *acceptable* to use an apostrophe when
> pluralizing any initialism.
Common, yes. Acceptable... well, but many people, but it is not accepted as
being grammatically correct by linguists. None that I have read, anyway.
Snit
Of course not... other than the fact is it clearly not honorable for Sandman
to obfuscate with such a claim and, frankly, his claim has never been shown
to be accurate. There simply is no way to know who is the most kill filed
person... nor would such info matter.
NRen2k5
You're right. I was incorrectly "taught" in college that the correct way
to pluralize initialisms is with "'s" rather than just "s". It turns out
that I was taught wrong.
I did find out just now, though, that apparently "'s" *is* appropriate
for initialisms with internal punctuation, for example "Ph.D.'s".
NRen2k5
I cancelled the post right after making it but apparently CSMA doesn't
support it.
NRen2k5
> "NRen2k5" <nom...@email.com> stated in post
> %80qg.40046$x.26...@weber.videotron.net on 7/2/06 8:28 PM:
>> pluralizing any initialism.
>
> Common, yes. Acceptable... well, but many people, but it is not accepted as
> being grammatically correct by linguists. None that I have read, anyway.
I prefer to take the linguists' side whenever possible, since taking the
people's side means accepting nonsensical words like "irregardless". I
cringe whenever I hear that.
Snit
Fair enough. Do you have a reference for the example you give?
Snit
Yeah, people need to up their standards. :)
Sandman
NRen2k5 <nom...@email.com> wrote:
> >> No matter how you spin it, Sandman, Wally is being no more honest nor
> >> honorable than you... you are both lying trolls.
> >
> > Yet we're not the most hated persons in csma, nor are we the most
> > killfiled people in csma... That would be... you.
> >
> > Go figure.
>
> Which has exactly nothing to do with being honest or honourable.
Of course not. Why?
--
Sandman[.net]
Sandman
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> >>>> I have asked Wally to keep his lies on this issue to
> >>>> this thread, so I am trying to have it not spread all over CSMA.
> >>>
> >>> Ironically, you're the one trying desperately to spread it all over
> >>> csma with your antagonizing threads, like the troll you are. You need
> >>> the attention, so you create the threads.
> >>
> >> No matter how you spin it, Sandman, Wally is being no more honest nor
> >> honorable than you... you are both lying trolls.
> >
> > Yet we're not the most hated persons in csma, nor are we the most
> > killfiled people in csma... That would be... you.
> >
> > Go figure.
>
> Why is it, Sandman, that you resort to personal attacks such as that when
> your lies and ignorance are pointed out.
Why is it, Michael, that you resort to lying more when facts are
presented?
--
Sandman[.net]
Snit
> In article <C0CD9A3E.53B14%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
> Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
>
>>>>>> I have asked Wally to keep his lies on this issue to
>>>>>> this thread, so I am trying to have it not spread all over CSMA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ironically, you're the one trying desperately to spread it all over
>>>>> csma with your antagonizing threads, like the troll you are. You need
>>>>> the attention, so you create the threads.
>>>>
>>>> No matter how you spin it, Sandman, Wally is being no more honest nor
>>>> honorable than you... you are both lying trolls.
>>>
>>> Yet we're not the most hated persons in csma, nor are we the most
>>> killfiled people in csma... That would be... you.
>>>
>>> Go figure.
>>
>> Why is it, Sandman, that you resort to personal attacks such as that when
>> your lies and ignorance are pointed out.
Note: no relevant comment from Sandman. He simply cannot explain why he is
unable to stop himself from spewing personal attacks when his lies and
ignorant claims are pointed out. He can, however, spew more lies and
personal attacks, as shown below:
> Why is it, Michael, that you resort to lying more when facts are
> presented?
--
Snit
Better question: why is it that when your lies and ignorant claims are
pointed out you sink to more lies and more personal attacks, Sandman? Have
you no shame?
ZnU
NRen2k5 <nom...@email.com> wrote:
The problem with paying too much attention to what "experts" say is that
they can often be pretty pig-headed. We heard for years that you weren't
supposed to split infinitives in English, but this is nonsense. You're
not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition, but in some cases
avoiding it requires very unnatural word order.
The latest annoyance is that one isn't supposed to use "they" and
"their" for singular subjects of unknown gender... despite the fact that
examples of this in the English language date back over 700 years, the
construction has been used by some of the most respected writers in the
language, and avoiding it often results in extremely awkward sentences.
Actual linguists -- not grammar Nazis -- understand that language is
defined by usage, and spend their time looking at how it's used, rather
than telling people how they should use it.
--
"Those who enter the country illegally violate the law."
-- George W. Bush in Tucson, Ariz., Nov. 28, 2005
Snit
znu-CE86DE.0...@individual.net on 7/3/06 12:11 AM:
Do you not see a place for setting standards for grammar? Do you think that
Apple is using the language correctly as they state:
"no no do not be a hero, ***LAST YEAR*** there are 114,000 known
viruses for PCs." [emphasis mine, poor grammar Apple's]
The ad in question: <http://snipurl.com/viruswhatvirus>
Quote in question (slowed down): <http://snipurl.com/Slow_Quote>
Sandman
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> >>>>>> I have asked Wally to keep his lies on this issue to
> >>>>>> this thread, so I am trying to have it not spread all over CSMA.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ironically, you're the one trying desperately to spread it all over
> >>>>> csma with your antagonizing threads, like the troll you are. You need
> >>>>> the attention, so you create the threads.
> >>>>
> >>>> No matter how you spin it, Sandman, Wally is being no more honest nor
> >>>> honorable than you... you are both lying trolls.
> >>>
> >>> Yet we're not the most hated persons in csma, nor are we the most
> >>> killfiled people in csma... That would be... you.
> >>>
> >>> Go figure.
> >>
> >> Why is it, Sandman, that you resort to personal attacks such as that when
> >> your lies and ignorance are pointed out.
> >
> > Why is it, Michael, that you resort to lying more when facts are
> > presented?
Note: no relevant comment from Michael. He simply cannot explain why
he is unable to stop himself from spewing personal attacks when his
lies and ignorant claims are pointed out. He can, however, spew more
lies and personal attacks, lies and keep trolling.
--
Sandman[.net]
Sandman
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> >>>> No matter how you spin it, Sandman, Wally is being no more honest nor
> >>>> honorable than you... you are both lying trolls.
> >>>
> >>> Yet we're not the most hated persons in csma, nor are we the most
> >>> killfiled people in csma... That would be... you.
> >>>
> >>> Go figure.
> >>
> >> Which has exactly nothing to do with being honest or honourable.
> >
> > Of course not. Why?
> >
> Better question: why is it that when your lies and ignorant claims are
> pointed out you sink to more lies and more personal attacks, Sandman?
I wouldn't know, since that have yet to occur.
--
Sandman[.net]
Snit
> In article <C0CD9A3E.53B14%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
> Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
>
>>>>>> I have asked Wally to keep his lies on this issue to
>>>>>> this thread, so I am trying to have it not spread all over CSMA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ironically, you're the one trying desperately to spread it all over
>>>>> csma with your antagonizing threads, like the troll you are. You need
>>>>> the attention, so you create the threads.
>>>>
>>>> No matter how you spin it, Sandman, Wally is being no more honest nor
>>>> honorable than you... you are both lying trolls.
>>>
>>> Yet we're not the most hated persons in csma, nor are we the most
>>> killfiled people in csma... That would be... you.
>>>
>>> Go figure.
>>
>> Why is it, Sandman, that you resort to personal attacks such as that when
>> your lies and ignorance are pointed out.
Note: no relevant comment from Sandman. He simply cannot explain why he is
unable to stop himself from spewing personal attacks when his lies and
ignorant claims are pointed out. He can, however, spew more lies and
personal attacks, as shown below:
> Why is it, Michael, that you resort to lying more when facts are
> presented?
--
Wally
"NRen2k5" <nom...@email.com> wrote:
That depends if the killfiling is a result of lets say continually
contradicting yourself such as for example claiming two different versions
of a portion of a commercial are correct in the same post, and then when
realizing your mistake, you decide to question someone else's honesty for no
good reason other that to detract from your mistake, then killfiling may
become a direct result of Honor or lack of it!
(Version one)
"The ad says "no no do not be a hero, ***LAST YEAR*** there are 114,000
known viruses for PCs." [emphasis mine]"-Snit
In the same post.....
"last year there were 114000 viruses for PC"-NRen2k5 (me quoting you)
(Version Two)
"Um, Wally, that is the wording of the Apple ad. Please stop lying."-Snit
Then in a subsequent post from Snit he comes up with this doozie.....
"Oops... my mistake here... I was looking at just the "last year" part of
that quote... not the whole thing. Seems neither you nor NRen2k5 were being
honest. Not surprising."-Snit
Now of course I cannot speak for you but in my case I know of no reason to
say that I had been dishonest, perhaps you know of a reason why Snit would
label you so, I don't! What I do know is that in my case Snit is content to
claim that he knows what I believe and what I think and is happy to call it
dishonesty when my actual stated beliefs differ from what he predicts they
should be........
As an aside I do hope that the above is not an example of the "personal
integrity" that you think that I should develop!
Wally
"Snit" <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> "NRen2k5" <nom...@email.com> stated in post
> %80qg.40046$x.26...@weber.videotron.net on 7/2/06 8:28 PM:
>
>>>> http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/
>>>> -----
>>>> Apostrophes are NEVER ever used to denote plurals! Common examples of
>>>> such
>>>> abuse (all seen in real life!) are:
>>>> Banana's for sale which of course should read Bananas for sale
>>>> Menu's printed to order which should read Menus printed to order
>>>> etc.
>>>
>>> Correct. I don't know what he is doing, but PCs is correct.
>>
>> I looked it up just now. Strictly speaking, you only use an apostrophe
>> when the initialism has internal punctuation, for example Ph.D.'s.
>
> I commend you for admitting to your error. Many in CSMA are not willing to
> do so.
And notice how he was able to accept his error without attacking anyone else
in the process!
The very least you should do is retract your previous unwarranted attack on
his honesty! But will you?
--
"With enough glue... anything is possible" - Snit
Wally
"Snit" <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
Alleged poor grammar!
> The ad in question: <http://snipurl.com/viruswhatvirus>
> Quote in question (slowed down): <http://snipurl.com/Slow_Quote>
>
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